The Forty Day Teachings of Christ in the Books of Jeu and the Pistis Sophia: A Gnostic Endowment(very important).

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While we are speaking of old Gnostic scriptures, that brought something else up in my mind. Many think the Dead Sea Essene Copper Scrolls Treasure portion is describing a real treasure hidden up somewhere. However, an article by one researcher in the past 17 years or so, in "World Explorer" magazine found that certain descriptions match the shape of the Enochian/Angelick alphabet letter glyphs given to John Dee & Edward Kelly in the 1500s. The researcher shares the description, then shows it matches the shape of the glyphs. So the treasure may actually be the Enochian language.

If you recall, in the IV of RLDS-CoC Genesis 7:17 "... and so great was the power of the language which God had given him [Enoch]."
... as well as in the JST,
... and also in the LDS Pearl of Great Price Moses chapters 7:13 <same as noted above>

Dee & Kelly claim that this alphabet & language was used by the patriarch Enoch & angels, also the angels that shared it with them, explained that it was very powerful if spoken.

Looking back at my notes, I found this one which mentioned the Copper Scrolls spoke of 64 Treasures. And either I or the author that was researching this, caught note of this 64 mentioned in the next paragraph.

And to top that off, recent research reveals a connection between the original glyphs of the Enochian alphabet originally given to John Dee in the 1500s matching descriptions of the 64 treasures in the Copper Scrolls of the Essenes (Dead Sea Scrolls). Dee & Kelly noted (that even though the alphabet base was 21 letters) they were given or it was revealed by groups which totaled 64 in all.

Something clicked, as I also started to just now recall that I think J.J. Hurtak in "Keys of Enoch" book mentioned 64 Keys were given to J.J.

Sure enough, in Hurtak's book, there were a total of 64 keys given to him by way of Enoch & Metatron.

Another note of mine included this ...
Copper Scrolls Treasure = Enochian Language:
In "World Explorer" magazine Vol.4, #4 (2006)---
"The Secret Code of the Essenes & the Treasure of Akhenaton" -Wayne H. Purden
pp.21-29 (pp.23-29 get into the Copper Scroll, the Essenes & its relation to Enochian alphabet glyphs' descriptions)

I have stated that I have found 4 Enochian/Angelic words that Joseph Smith mentioned. They are:
ZOMAS (= Zion)
ZOM (self-knowledge) 3rd highest level in the Enochian
NAL-GAH (personal spirit)
PA-LI-PA ) or PAH-LI-PAH)

But it does not stop there. Joseph Smith obviously knew of this, as he wrote of how the angels operate, by their language. You don't believe me? Then see the early D&C, first portion or section referred to as the "D" (Doctrine) of D&C 1835. In the first of Lecture 7, Joseph Smith shares how the angels do their work, or by what power they perform. Let me reach up & grab my 1835 Replica Reprint (published by RLDS-CoC). In Section 7 of 7, verse 3- of the "Lectures of Faith", Joseph explains that when a person exercises or (vs.3)"... works by faith he works by mental exertion instead of physical force; it is by 'WORDS' instead of exerting his physical powers, with which every being works when he works by faith -- ... Faith then works by 'WORDS'; and with these its mightiest works have been, and will be performed. (vs.4) ... this is the principle upon which all eternity has acted and will act; for every reflecting mind must know, that it is by reason of this 'POWER' [speaking of 'WORDS'] that all the hosts of heaven perform their works of wonder, majesty and glory: Angels move from place to place by virtue of this 'POWER' ...". Later in section 7, Joseph shares that basically there are 3 steps involved- 1st is Belief, 2nd is Faith, and 3rd is Knowledge (Gnosis) in portions of verses 18-20.

The "Lectures" 1-7 were not totally authored by Joseph Smith, but he did have input inserted into them, especially Lecture 7. He is speaking of Angels using this "power of words", which is actually in reference to what he calls the ancient or original language (the language that was given to Enoch), which is referred to as Enochian or Angelic. Joseph states that "Zomas" [ZOMAS] is the original word for Zion, in his 1831 dedication for the Temple Lot in Independence, Missouri and marks a sapling tree on one side with "T" which stood for the word "Temple" & on the other side "ZOM" which stood for "Zomas" [ZOMAS] which was the original word or language.

It is most interesting how he did that. He put the word "ZOM" in caps (capital letters). Had it not been done in this matter, I may have overlooked it in mid 1987. But I had just bumped into a book on the Enochian/Angelic language & alphabet. The alphabet uses glyphs, but equates to the English letters. But when translated as such (from the Enochian glyphs), you use the capital letters of the English letters, for the Enochian words equated into English. I first had thought somebody had come up with something elaborate to make some money. But then within a month or so, Richard Howard, the RLDS-CoC Church Historian shared a few quotes about the Temple from 1831 in an article in the RLDS-CoC 'Saint's Herald" magazine (I think it was the June 1987 issue). the word "ZOM" in caps (capital letters) caught my attention, as it was noted in the book on the Enochian alphabet & language. It means "self-knowledge" (or what was called Gnosis of the Gnostics). Which is Gnosis or Kenosis, of which Paul speaks of, that concerning Jesus in Phillipians 2:5 --- "Let this mind [KENOSIS/Gnosis] be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus." And it relates to what Joseph states in the later verses of Lecture 7, verses 18-20.

The fact remains that at least 4 Enochian/Angelic words were used by Joseph Smith. 3 are possible that he might have picked up from ancient sources, but not one. ZOMAS is a compound word made up of ZOM & AS which indicates Joseph had knowledge of this language, as did Enoch. AS means something akin to being actuated, or put into motion. The two combined means or implies that Zion (or ZOMAS), is a state of mind, akin to the old saying of "Thou Shalt Know Thyself." ZOM is the 3rd highest region in the Enochian spiritual system and is extremely important, because it is the stage in which one meets their Angelic Self (also referred to as the HGA or Holy Guardian Angel, OverSoul, or Higher Self) and is given the power & knowledge to now become an "artist" in the physical realm, or in other words, a "co-creator" of God, or as the term in the NT or D&C states akin to becoming sons & daughters of the ONE, as well as "Ye are gods." It is only when you come to this stage or level that the Knowledge is then transformed into Action.

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Dusty Wanderer wrote: April 20th, 2023, 6:53 pm KRM or others,

It looks like the Pistis Sophia was written between 300-400AD. Are you aware of any Gnostic writings older than that? Is there any evidence of these teachings/traditions recorded any earlier, perhaps closer to the oldest New Testament manuscripts (at least around 200AD... or older)? Thanks
What we possess in the Nag Hammadi library are copies produced in the second half of the fourth century A.D. [13] Beyond this, it is possible by various means to demonstrate that some texts, or parts thereof, were originally composed at least as early as the second century A.D. [14]https://rsc.byu.edu/apocryphal-writings ... di-library

Gnosticism: A movement among some 2nd century Christians that took elements of the original Christian
church and created some doctrinal innovations. This movement was suppressed by the main Christian
churches of the day and many of the gnostic documents were destroyed. Because of the loss of many
genuine Christian doctrines and teachings in the first centuries, it is often hard for biblical scholars to
determine what doctrines the Gnostics inherited from the earliest Christians and what doctrines they
added. “Gnosis” means knowledge of spiritual mysteries.http://2understandlatterdaysaints.com/d ... _Smith.pdf

If I get any more interesting info. on this subject, I will post it. :)

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"kirtland" noted:
"... what doctrines the Gnostics inherited from the earliest Christians and what doctrines they
added. “Gnosis” means knowledge of spiritual mysteries."

In actuality, it is the other way around, the original Gnostics were silenced or killed off, and orthodox (or governed) Christianity took over.

"Clement of Alexandria commented that 'the prayer' of the Gnostic was more powerful than faith (as Knowledge implies more than faith)".

This is also mentioned in Lecture 7 of the "D" (Doctrine of D&C aka Doctrine & Covenants)- Belief/ then Faith, and finally Knowledge).

The Brother of Jared (Peleg) no longer had faith, he KNEW nothing doubting. He had direct knowledge.

In AG 22:25-31 Jesus is asked what is faith. He explains Salvation is a ladder of 3 steps- Belief, then Faith, and finally Fruition (Gnosis/Knowledge) when man man (or woman) knows & becomes the truth, when he or she, and God are One.

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A few more paragraphs on the Apocryphal Writings and the Latter-day Church.

The Nag Hammadi Library
a Mormon Perspective
S. Kent Brown

...In returning to an earlier theme, we note that because the gospel message was known from the beginning (according to these texts), it was a foregone conclusion that the early patriarchs had possessed the same. [59] In this literature, the patriarchs were more than mere possessors and transmitters of the gospel’s message. They were said to have played important roles in their premortal existences. [60] For instance, Adam was known as a premortal great one who associated with “holy men of the great light,” “men of the Father.” [61] In fact, Adam was believed to have descended as a son from the Father, and it was this heritage which Seth received. [62] While Adam was the founder of the covenant race, it was Seth and his successors who perpetuated the covenant people and who came to be known as “the seed of the great Seth” or “the great, incorruptible, immovable race of the great, mighty men of the great Seth.” [63] ...Seth was said to have predicted the Apostasy, [68] a theme which plays a significant role in the Nag Hammadi literature. And it is to this topic that I now wish to turn.

It is important to observe that the expected apostasy was not to come about by mere accident or neglect. On the contrary, it would be due to conscious acts. A term appearing often in the Nag Hammadi documents is the Greek word plan?, which can be translated in its passive sense as “error” or “mistake” or, in its more active sense, “deception.” Because of a number of clues in these texts, I choose to translate this term as deception: what were being described in most instances were willful acts of distortion, not mere developments. [69] The problems of deceitfulness and apostasy, noted above in our documents, existed from the days of Adam and were expected to continue at least until the days of the true revealer. [70] In other texts where Jesus was reported to speak about this deception, he clearly expected an age to begin—already in the days of his Apostles—which would introduce a reign of deceit and untruth. [71] For instance, whenever the Nag Hammadi texts cited Jesus’ predictions of apostasy, the Apostles frequently responded in despair. [72] Specifically, Peter was upset by the idea of an apostasy, despairing the durability of God’s kingdom. [73] In one passage, Jesus reassured Peter that in fact a subsequent restoration would be made. The day would come, Jesus said according to the Apocalypse of Peter, when “the deception will be pulled out by its roots.” It would be then, Jesus continued, that the age of righteousness would be renewed and the power of the deception would be broken so that the light of truth could once again be seen by seekers of such. [74] In this particular instance, Jesus insisted both that the period of apostasy was to be limited and that God would not allow it to continue indefinitely. In sum, it is a rather plain apostasy-restoration scheme that one can see.
[75]https://rsc.byu.edu/apocryphal-writings ... di-library

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Lynn wrote: April 23rd, 2023, 4:58 pm "kirtland" noted:
"... what doctrines the Gnostic inherited from the earliest Christians and what doctrines they
added. “Gnosis” means knowledge of spiritual mysteries."

In actuality, it is the other way around, the original Gnostics were silenced or killed off, and orthodox (or governed) Christianity took over.

"Clement of Alexandria commented that 'the prayer' of the Gnostic was more powerful than faith (as Knowledge implies more than faith)".

This is also mentioned in Lecture 7 of the "D" (Doctrine of D&C aka Doctrine & Covenants)- Belief/ then Faith, and finally Knowledge).

The Brother of Jared (Peleg) no longer had faith, he KNEW nothing doubting. He had direct knowledge.

In AG 22:25-31 Jesus is asked what is faith. He explains Salvation is a ladder of 3 steps- Belief, then Faith, and finally Fruition (Gnosis/Knowledge) when man man (or woman) knows & becomes the truth, when he or she, and God are One.
This might be a more accurate description showing factions vying for legitimacy..

The approach to the historical interpretation of the early Christian church which has dominated almost all serious investigations has been that of Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea in the early fourth century, the first to attempt to write a history of the Christian church covering the period from Jesus’ time to his own. [7] His basic view was that the mainline church had enjoyed a continuous, unbroken historical succession from the Apostles, whereas the heretics had formed splinter groups deviating from the church’s ongoing, inherited repository of true doctrine. [8] Remarkably, this Eusebian concept of early Christian history persisted until 1934, when this idea was seriously challenged by Walter Bauer, a German scholar who had investigated the early church by geographical regions. [9] After focusing on organization, order of services, types of sacraments and ordinances, and various doctrines, Bauer concluded that Christianity differed significantly from one location to another. For him, Eusebius’s view of a unified, monolithic church could not be taken seriously in light of the earliest regionalized evidence. [10]

Even today, the question remains whether Bauer’s challenge to the old way of viewing early Christian history has ever really been met. To be sure, it inspired studies which took issue with his views. But his basic thesis that the early church did not constitute a unified entity after the deaths of the Apostles still stands. [11] For our purposes, the Nag Hammadi texts reinforce this impression by claiming that Jesus and his disciples had taught doctrines and practiced ordinances which the budding Catholic church came to reject or deny. [12]https://rsc.byu.edu/apocryphal-writings ... di-library

Much of what the Gnostics believed was fragmented and partly true like the other Christian groups of their day, competing doctrines which had been changed in the first few hundred years after the Lord's resurrection. However, I am trying to show that some of what they believed even though rejected by other Christians was correct. The reverse can also be said. Some of the Gnostic writings do show that they had some sacred hidden knowledge as they claimed, other Christian groups did not have, and these things were rejected and cast off and changed on purpose early on magnifying divisions within Christianity. The endowment information which they(some Grostics and other Christians as well) had that is in this thread, is spectacular and could not have possibly been known in the early days of the restoration except through direct revelation.

What we have in Bible translations today, in a way, is similar to part of the Book of Mormon being sealed. The Apostles did not teach openly all they knew in their four gospels and beyond. This information came to them line upon line as the Lord taught them as well. And some vital doctrine came in the 40 days after the Lord's resurrection while he continued to teach them. Some of these things were not to be openly written about. They were advanced doctrines and covenants for those ready to be initiated into continued levels of further light and knowledge in preparing to enter the very presence of the Father again.

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The Gnostics were very eclectic in their beliefs and took influence from the ancient Greeks, Persian religions, Dharmic/Indian religions (Hinduism, Buddhism etc) and probably ancient Egypt too.

The beliefs about the material world and archons are very similar to the Indian ones, where reality is illusion (maya). Brahma the creator god in Hinduism is variously seen as either something similar to our God, a demiurge or evil creator, or a minor god among others who outgrew his position. (Some people link Abraham's name to Brahma.) In some versions this came out as implying the Old Testament God was the evil one.

Christians do not believe the creator is evil, but we do believe the creation itself is fallen, and that is a subtle difference. We believe God is in charge, but evil has taken control of the world. Again a subtle disctinction.

In the case of Christianity, Gnosticism and the Indian religions, people are supposed to try and overcome the world, but from a slightly different perspective. They have that much in common.

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Niemand wrote: April 26th, 2023, 6:50 am The Gnostics were very eclectic in their beliefs and took influence from the ancient Greeks, Persian religions, Dharmic/Indian religions (Hinduism, Buddhism etc) and probably ancient Egypt too.

The beliefs about the material world and archons are very similar to the Indian ones, where reality is illusion (maya). Brahma the creator god in Hinduism is variously seen as either something similar to our God, a demiurge or evil creator, or a minor god among others who outgrew his position. (Some people link Abraham's name to Brahma.) In some versions this came out as implying the Old Testament God was the evil one.

Christians do not believe the creator is evil, but we do believe the creation itself is fallen, and that is a subtle difference. We believe God is in charge, but evil has taken control of the world. Again a subtle disctinction.

In the case of Christianity, Gnosticism and the Indian religions, people are supposed to try and overcome the world, but from a slightly different perspective. They have that much in common.
The Indians have a version of Christ called Krishna.

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Ymarsakar wrote: April 26th, 2023, 9:00 am The Indians have a version of Christ called Krishna.
The resemblances between Christ and Krishna have been much exaggerated. For one he was a blue skinned fluteplayer who went around fighting as a soldier.

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Niemand wrote: April 26th, 2023, 9:15 am
Ymarsakar wrote: April 26th, 2023, 9:00 am The Indians have a version of Christ called Krishna.
The resemblances between Christ and Krishna have been much exaggerated. For one he was a blue skinned fluteplayer who went around fighting as a soldier.
THat is because the Indians have a history from Mu/Lemuria that the ET/ELder gods always had blue skin.

The historical premise would be that Jeshua ended up in India sometime between his 20s and 30s. The bible has a big hole in where he was during that lost decade. Others say he went to the British Islands, which his extended family had some mining interests up there. The ancient world had quite the extensive travel locations via boat. This was before the Dark Ages/Medieval Age.

The resemblance is based on a root of truth, but much like the Book of Mormon, many things get distorted in traditions and oral his story over time. How many centuries ago did Joseph Smith live? And what is the current state/version of his teachings now?

The Indian stories come from 4000 years ago, and the bible nearly 2000 or more.

Even if you read sandscript and spoke the Indian language, there are as many versions of what people think the myth legend are as there are theories concerning Carthage Jail, JFK assassination, 9/11, and Joseph Smith's polygamy or not, put together and more.

This is human DNA, same old same old.

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