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We are being measured

We are being measured by God, we are being watched as to what we are doing. As the world collapses will people see it coming or will most of life be as it is? What are you doing to prepare? What do you need most to survive coming into the next age? Have you repented enough? Have you molded your character like Christ? Do you follow his example? Do you follow him, and him alone? To whom is your allegiance? You are being measured…

Hear me oh, hear me?

Times like we have not known will fall upon us!!!

Repent ye repent ye oh inhabitants of this earth?

Gods mighty eye watches over us! We will be judged, We will be judged, we will be judged!!!

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I think you're preaching to the choir here. Most of us are trying to live the right way.

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Enoch wrote: April 3rd, 2023, 2:02 pm We are being measured

We are being measured by God, we are being watched as to what we are doing. As the world collapses will people see it coming or will most of life be as it is? What are you doing to prepare? What do you need most to survive coming into the next age? Have you repented enough? Have you molded your character like Christ? Do you follow his example? Do you follow him, and him alone? To whom is your allegiance? You are being measured…

Hear me oh, hear me?

Times like we have not known will fall upon us!!!

Repent ye repent ye oh inhabitants of this earth?

Gods mighty eye watches over us! We will be judged, We will be judged, we will be judged!!!
I personally enjoy this scripture:

This is Christ speaking:

"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

I enjoy the fact that Christ is "measuring" me. He measures me to see what can be done to guide me to him. As my Elder Brother, he does what he can to lead me home....(all that I can accept in my weaknesses). He has no need to scrutinize me because in that action, there is no benefit. Anything that implies guilt upon us , creates fear. Anything that creates fear is not of God.

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Niemand wrote: April 13th, 2023, 8:30 am I think you're preaching to the choir here. Most of us are trying to live the right way.
That maybe true, I don't really know who has a connection with the Savior and who doesn't, in the vast forum here, but I was given these words to post here so. I did... For those to whom it may apply I hope it does some good... Like many things in forum not all post will apply or call our attention or vibe with us... Samuel the Lamanite still went to the Nephites even thought Nephi was there...
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Niemand wrote: April 13th, 2023, 8:30 am I think you're preaching to the choir here. Most of us are trying to live the right way.
Have you accepted your savior, MS?

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FrankOne wrote: April 13th, 2023, 7:55 pm
Enoch wrote: April 3rd, 2023, 2:02 pm We are being measured

We are being measured by God, we are being watched as to what we are doing. As the world collapses will people see it coming or will most of life be as it is? What are you doing to prepare? What do you need most to survive coming into the next age? Have you repented enough? Have you molded your character like Christ? Do you follow his example? Do you follow him, and him alone? To whom is your allegiance? You are being measured…

Hear me oh, hear me?

Times like we have not known will fall upon us!!!

Repent ye repent ye oh inhabitants of this earth?

Gods mighty eye watches over us! We will be judged, We will be judged, we will be judged!!!
I personally enjoy this scripture:

This is Christ speaking:

"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

I enjoy the fact that Christ is "measuring" me. He measures me to see what can be done to guide me to him. As my Elder Brother, he does what he can to lead me home....(all that I can accept in my weaknesses). He has no need to scrutinize me because in that action, there is no benefit. Anything that implies guilt upon us , creates fear. Anything that creates fear is not of God.
My understanding is different from yours of the Gospel etc.

In my beliefs Christ is not our older brother ~ He is our Father.

We judge and measure all the time. Whether a burger is tasty or not, whether a car measures up to our standards or a house. In relationships we do the same, we don't marry those whom we judge not to our standards or desires. Christ will intervene for us if we repent, he cannot save us in our sins, we cannot be doing ill to our neighbor and believe we won't upset the heavens. If I have a family and a son is cruel and picks on my other son, I will judge him, and make a decision on how to best handle the situation. My judgement doesn't mean I do not love, him or value him. It does mean he has work to do to change. It means he hasn't comprehended love, sharing, kindness or other principles of God.

Imagine a women who doesn't judge a a possible husband. Let's say he doesn't work, he is abusive in word and action, he drinks till he gets abusive, and is hooked on pornography or unfaithfulness, think of all the possible things a man can do ill in relationship. Should the women not judge the situation and discern what is appropriate for her?

Like wise if a one of my children is speaking rudely to his Mom, I will speak with strength to them, this might give them fear to speak up, then it is my responsibility as a parent to instruct them of what that is wrong and how to "speak up" properly to his parents, of course never in intention to harm, but this also deals with personalities some need a soft hand, that is how they learn others have been hardened and need a harder hand, and it is very situational.

I do not think emotions like shame, fear or guilt don't have their place. I do think we have to understand them and as we grow use them correctly as there is incorrect forms of their usage. Fear for a bear is healthy, fear to go down in the worst parts of the city in the middle of night is heathy, fear because your parent will set boundaries and correct your, will teach you to have self control, it it logical to me and based on experience it is necessary. These conditions won't exist always but while we are here we must do our best to understand the correct usage of what we given on this earth.

If I feel guilty for stealing, if I feel ashamed for doing something shameful it teaches me. All these emotions are there to teach us I believe. To do whatever we want without consideration of consequences or consideration or others is not learning, nor growing nor maturing.

We were placed here to grow and learn, we cannot do that without light and darkness being presented before us and us being tested on our ability to discern between light and darkness. Christ says we are in a probationary state, and state to prepare to meet God. We are here to discern light and darkness and learn how to be like the Gods. Exalted God-humans have emotions and feelings else Satan would not have gotten angry and fallen from his lofty place.

Our Savior has every right to judge us, he paid the ultimate of sufferings to give us freedom to choose and live life. Consequence does exist for our actions, good and evil do exist. I've experienced demons and angels of God, I know they are there. I've been in the presence of the Savior, I know he is pure love, but he knows the we need work, that we should learn and grow and change, that is our responsibility. So many people get physically and mentally abused here, so many die and suffer. It would make God unjust for us (if he would excuse evil) for the evil that has been committed by some of his creations not to be punished for what they do.

Your view on existence and it's purpose is very different from mine, mine comes from the standard works, experience and revelation that I have received and of course you've received you own. So... we will see I guess...
[10] Do not suppose, because it has been spoken concerning restoration, that ye shall be restored from sin to happiness. Behold, I say unto you, wickedness never was happiness.

[11] And now, my son, all men that are in a state of nature, or I would say, in a carnal state, are in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; they are without God in the world, and they have gone contrary to the nature of God; therefore, they are in a state contrary to the nature of happiness.

[12] And now behold, is the meaning of the word restoration to take a thing of a natural state and place it in an unnatural state, or to place it in a state opposite to its nature?

[13] O, my son, this is not the case; but the meaning of the word restoration is to bring back again evil for evil, or carnal for carnal, or devilish for devilish -- good for that which is good; righteous for that which is righteous; just for that which is just; merciful for that which is merciful.

[14] Therefore, my son, see that you are merciful unto your brethren; deal justly, judge righteously, and do good continually; and if ye do all these things then shall ye receive your reward; yea, ye shall have mercy restored unto you again; ye shall have justice restored unto you again; ye shall have a righteous judgment restored unto you again; and ye shall have good rewarded unto you again.

[15] For that which ye do send out shall return unto you again, and be restored; therefore, the word restoration more fully condemneth the sinner, and justifieth him not at all.
Alma 12
[22] Now Alma said unto him: This is the thing which I was about to explain, now we see that Adam did fall by the partaking of the forbidden fruit, according to the word of God; and thus we see, that by his fall, all mankind became a lost and fallen people.

[23] And now behold, I say unto you that if it had been possible for Adam to have partaken of the fruit of the tree of life at that time, there would have been no death, and the word would have been void, making God a liar, for he said: If thou eat thou shalt surely die.

[24] And we see that death comes upon mankind, yea, the death which has been spoken of by Amulek, which is the temporal death; nevertheless there was a space granted unto man in which he might repent; therefore this life became a probationary state; a time to prepare to meet God; a time to prepare for that endless state which has been spoken of by us, which is after the resurrection of the dead.

[25] Now, if it had not been for the plan of redemption, which was laid from the foundation of the world, there could have been no resurrection of the dead; but there was a plan of redemption laid, which shall bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, of which has been spoken.

[26] And now behold, if it were possible that our first parents could have gone forth and partaken of the tree of life they would have been forever miserable, having no preparatory state; and thus the plan of redemption would have been frustrated, and the word of God would have been void, taking none effect.
Moroni 7
[17] But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
[18] And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.
[19] Wherefore, I beseech of you, brethren, that ye should search diligently in the light of Christ that ye may know good from evil; and if ye will lay hold upon every good thing, and condemn it not, ye certainly will be a child of Christ.
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Gadianton Slayer wrote: April 14th, 2023, 10:51 am
Niemand wrote: April 13th, 2023, 8:30 am I think you're preaching to the choir here. Most of us are trying to live the right way.
Have you accepted your savior, MS?
I think following and acceptance of the Savior, exists on many levels. I think it is a work we should all be engaged in; growing closer to him. I think we are all at different levels too. So if I can help someone grow in anyway closer it would be a great joy.

-- I see what you mean now, no I don't believe him to be the Savior ~
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Gadianton Slayer wrote: April 14th, 2023, 10:51 am
Niemand wrote: April 13th, 2023, 8:30 am I think you're preaching to the choir here. Most of us are trying to live the right way.
Have you accepted your savior, MS?
Michael Sherwin? 🙂 I don't mind his posts, but my saviour is Jesus.

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Niemand wrote: April 14th, 2023, 2:08 pm
Gadianton Slayer wrote: April 14th, 2023, 10:51 am
Niemand wrote: April 13th, 2023, 8:30 am I think you're preaching to the choir here. Most of us are trying to live the right way.
Have you accepted your savior, MS?
Michael Sherwin? 🙂 I don't mind his posts, but my saviour is Jesus.
oops now I get it MS - somehow I missed that -- and I totally agree my savior is Jesus Christ

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Enoch wrote: April 14th, 2023, 11:49 am
FrankOne wrote: April 13th, 2023, 7:55 pm
Enoch wrote: April 3rd, 2023, 2:02 pm We are being measured

We are being measured by God, we are being watched as to what we are doing. As the world collapses will people see it coming or will most of life be as it is? What are you doing to prepare? What do you need most to survive coming into the next age? Have you repented enough? Have you molded your character like Christ? Do you follow his example? Do you follow him, and him alone? To whom is your allegiance? You are being measured…

Hear me oh, hear me?

Times like we have not known will fall upon us!!!

Repent ye repent ye oh inhabitants of this earth?

Gods mighty eye watches over us! We will be judged, We will be judged, we will be judged!!!
I personally enjoy this scripture:

This is Christ speaking:

"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

I enjoy the fact that Christ is "measuring" me. He measures me to see what can be done to guide me to him. As my Elder Brother, he does what he can to lead me home....(all that I can accept in my weaknesses). He has no need to scrutinize me because in that action, there is no benefit. Anything that implies guilt upon us , creates fear. Anything that creates fear is not of God.
My understanding is different from yours of the Gospel etc.

In my beliefs Christ is not our older brother ~ He is our Father.

We judge and measure all the time. Whether a burger is tasty or not, whether a car measures up to our standards or a house. In relationships we do the same, we don't marry those whom we judge not to our standards or desires. Christ will intervene for us if we repent, he cannot save us in our sins, we cannot be doing ill to our neighbor and believe we won't upset the heavens. If I have a family and a son is cruel and picks on my other son, I will judge him, and make a decision on how to best handle the situation. My judgement doesn't mean I do not love, him or value him. It does mean he has work to do to change. It means he hasn't comprehended love, sharing, kindness or other principles of God.

Imagine a women who doesn't judge a a possible husband. Let's say he doesn't work, he is abusive in word and action, he drinks till he gets abusive, and is hooked on pornography or unfaithfulness, think of all the possible things a man can do ill in relationship. Should the women not judge the situation and discern what is appropriate for her?

Like wise if a one of my children is speaking rudely to his Mom, I will speak with strength to them, this might give them fear to speak up, then it is my responsibility as a parent to instruct them of what that is wrong and how to "speak up" properly to his parents, of course never in intention to harm, but this also deals with personalities some need a soft hand, that is how they learn others have been hardened and need a harder hand, and it is very situational.

I do not think emotions like shame, fear or guilt don't have their place. I do think we have to understand them and as we grow use them correctly as there is incorrect forms of their usage. Fear for a bear is healthy, fear to go down in the worst parts of the city in the middle of night is heathy, fear because your parent will set boundaries and correct your, will teach you to have self control, it it logical to me and based on experience it is necessary. These conditions won't exist always but while we are here we must do our best to understand the correct usage of what we given on this earth.

If I feel guilty for stealing, if I feel ashamed for doing something shameful it teaches me. All these emotions are there to teach us I believe. To do whatever we want without consideration of consequences or consideration or others is not learning, nor growing nor maturing.

We were placed here to grow and learn, we cannot do that without light and darkness being presented before us and us being tested on our ability to discern between light and darkness. Christ says we are in a probationary state, and state to prepare to meet God. We are here to discern light and darkness and learn how to be like the Gods. Exalted God-humans have emotions and feelings else Satan would not have gotten angry and fallen from his lofty place.

Our Savior has every right to judge us, he paid the ultimate of sufferings to give us freedom to choose and live life. Consequence does exist for our actions, good and evil do exist. I've experienced demons and angels of God, I know they are there. I've been in the presence of the Savior, I know he is pure love, but he knows the we need work, that we should learn and grow and change, that is our responsibility. So many people get physically and mentally abused here, so many die and suffer. It would make God unjust for us (if he would excuse evil) for the evil that has been committed by some of his creations not to be punished for what they do.

Your view on existence and it's purpose is very different from mine, mine comes from the standard works, experience and revelation that I have received and of course you've received you own. So... we will see I guess...
[10] Do not suppose, because it has been spoken concerning restoration, that ye shall be restored from sin to happiness. Behold, I say unto you, wickedness never was happiness.

[11] And now, my son, all men that are in a state of nature, or I would say, in a carnal state, are in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; they are without God in the world, and they have gone contrary to the nature of God; therefore, they are in a state contrary to the nature of happiness.

[12] And now behold, is the meaning of the word restoration to take a thing of a natural state and place it in an unnatural state, or to place it in a state opposite to its nature?

[13] O, my son, this is not the case; but the meaning of the word restoration is to bring back again evil for evil, or carnal for carnal, or devilish for devilish -- good for that which is good; righteous for that which is righteous; just for that which is just; merciful for that which is merciful.

[14] Therefore, my son, see that you are merciful unto your brethren; deal justly, judge righteously, and do good continually; and if ye do all these things then shall ye receive your reward; yea, ye shall have mercy restored unto you again; ye shall have justice restored unto you again; ye shall have a righteous judgment restored unto you again; and ye shall have good rewarded unto you again.

[15] For that which ye do send out shall return unto you again, and be restored; therefore, the word restoration more fully condemneth the sinner, and justifieth him not at all.
Alma 12
[22] Now Alma said unto him: This is the thing which I was about to explain, now we see that Adam did fall by the partaking of the forbidden fruit, according to the word of God; and thus we see, that by his fall, all mankind became a lost and fallen people.

[23] And now behold, I say unto you that if it had been possible for Adam to have partaken of the fruit of the tree of life at that time, there would have been no death, and the word would have been void, making God a liar, for he said: If thou eat thou shalt surely die.

[24] And we see that death comes upon mankind, yea, the death which has been spoken of by Amulek, which is the temporal death; nevertheless there was a space granted unto man in which he might repent; therefore this life became a probationary state; a time to prepare to meet God; a time to prepare for that endless state which has been spoken of by us, which is after the resurrection of the dead.

[25] Now, if it had not been for the plan of redemption, which was laid from the foundation of the world, there could have been no resurrection of the dead; but there was a plan of redemption laid, which shall bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, of which has been spoken.

[26] And now behold, if it were possible that our first parents could have gone forth and partaken of the tree of life they would have been forever miserable, having no preparatory state; and thus the plan of redemption would have been frustrated, and the word of God would have been void, taking none effect.
Moroni 7
[17] But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
[18] And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.
[19] Wherefore, I beseech of you, brethren, that ye should search diligently in the light of Christ that ye may know good from evil; and if ye will lay hold upon every good thing, and condemn it not, ye certainly will be a child of Christ.
My understanding of the nature of Christ, and yours do differ.

It all proceeds step by step for each of us. Who's right? "Right" is a relative term for what works in each persons personal salvation.

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FrankOne wrote: April 14th, 2023, 4:20 pm
Enoch wrote: April 14th, 2023, 11:49 am
FrankOne wrote: April 13th, 2023, 7:55 pm

I personally enjoy this scripture:

This is Christ speaking:

"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

I enjoy the fact that Christ is "measuring" me. He measures me to see what can be done to guide me to him. As my Elder Brother, he does what he can to lead me home....(all that I can accept in my weaknesses). He has no need to scrutinize me because in that action, there is no benefit. Anything that implies guilt upon us , creates fear. Anything that creates fear is not of God.
My understanding is different from yours of the Gospel etc.

In my beliefs Christ is not our older brother ~ He is our Father.

We judge and measure all the time. Whether a burger is tasty or not, whether a car measures up to our standards or a house. In relationships we do the same, we don't marry those whom we judge not to our standards or desires. Christ will intervene for us if we repent, he cannot save us in our sins, we cannot be doing ill to our neighbor and believe we won't upset the heavens. If I have a family and a son is cruel and picks on my other son, I will judge him, and make a decision on how to best handle the situation. My judgement doesn't mean I do not love, him or value him. It does mean he has work to do to change. It means he hasn't comprehended love, sharing, kindness or other principles of God.

Imagine a women who doesn't judge a a possible husband. Let's say he doesn't work, he is abusive in word and action, he drinks till he gets abusive, and is hooked on pornography or unfaithfulness, think of all the possible things a man can do ill in relationship. Should the women not judge the situation and discern what is appropriate for her?

Like wise if a one of my children is speaking rudely to his Mom, I will speak with strength to them, this might give them fear to speak up, then it is my responsibility as a parent to instruct them of what that is wrong and how to "speak up" properly to his parents, of course never in intention to harm, but this also deals with personalities some need a soft hand, that is how they learn others have been hardened and need a harder hand, and it is very situational.

I do not think emotions like shame, fear or guilt don't have their place. I do think we have to understand them and as we grow use them correctly as there is incorrect forms of their usage. Fear for a bear is healthy, fear to go down in the worst parts of the city in the middle of night is heathy, fear because your parent will set boundaries and correct your, will teach you to have self control, it it logical to me and based on experience it is necessary. These conditions won't exist always but while we are here we must do our best to understand the correct usage of what we given on this earth.

If I feel guilty for stealing, if I feel ashamed for doing something shameful it teaches me. All these emotions are there to teach us I believe. To do whatever we want without consideration of consequences or consideration or others is not learning, nor growing nor maturing.

We were placed here to grow and learn, we cannot do that without light and darkness being presented before us and us being tested on our ability to discern between light and darkness. Christ says we are in a probationary state, and state to prepare to meet God. We are here to discern light and darkness and learn how to be like the Gods. Exalted God-humans have emotions and feelings else Satan would not have gotten angry and fallen from his lofty place.

Our Savior has every right to judge us, he paid the ultimate of sufferings to give us freedom to choose and live life. Consequence does exist for our actions, good and evil do exist. I've experienced demons and angels of God, I know they are there. I've been in the presence of the Savior, I know he is pure love, but he knows the we need work, that we should learn and grow and change, that is our responsibility. So many people get physically and mentally abused here, so many die and suffer. It would make God unjust for us (if he would excuse evil) for the evil that has been committed by some of his creations not to be punished for what they do.

Your view on existence and it's purpose is very different from mine, mine comes from the standard works, experience and revelation that I have received and of course you've received you own. So... we will see I guess...
[10] Do not suppose, because it has been spoken concerning restoration, that ye shall be restored from sin to happiness. Behold, I say unto you, wickedness never was happiness.

[11] And now, my son, all men that are in a state of nature, or I would say, in a carnal state, are in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; they are without God in the world, and they have gone contrary to the nature of God; therefore, they are in a state contrary to the nature of happiness.

[12] And now behold, is the meaning of the word restoration to take a thing of a natural state and place it in an unnatural state, or to place it in a state opposite to its nature?

[13] O, my son, this is not the case; but the meaning of the word restoration is to bring back again evil for evil, or carnal for carnal, or devilish for devilish -- good for that which is good; righteous for that which is righteous; just for that which is just; merciful for that which is merciful.

[14] Therefore, my son, see that you are merciful unto your brethren; deal justly, judge righteously, and do good continually; and if ye do all these things then shall ye receive your reward; yea, ye shall have mercy restored unto you again; ye shall have justice restored unto you again; ye shall have a righteous judgment restored unto you again; and ye shall have good rewarded unto you again.

[15] For that which ye do send out shall return unto you again, and be restored; therefore, the word restoration more fully condemneth the sinner, and justifieth him not at all.
Alma 12
[22] Now Alma said unto him: This is the thing which I was about to explain, now we see that Adam did fall by the partaking of the forbidden fruit, according to the word of God; and thus we see, that by his fall, all mankind became a lost and fallen people.

[23] And now behold, I say unto you that if it had been possible for Adam to have partaken of the fruit of the tree of life at that time, there would have been no death, and the word would have been void, making God a liar, for he said: If thou eat thou shalt surely die.

[24] And we see that death comes upon mankind, yea, the death which has been spoken of by Amulek, which is the temporal death; nevertheless there was a space granted unto man in which he might repent; therefore this life became a probationary state; a time to prepare to meet God; a time to prepare for that endless state which has been spoken of by us, which is after the resurrection of the dead.

[25] Now, if it had not been for the plan of redemption, which was laid from the foundation of the world, there could have been no resurrection of the dead; but there was a plan of redemption laid, which shall bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, of which has been spoken.

[26] And now behold, if it were possible that our first parents could have gone forth and partaken of the tree of life they would have been forever miserable, having no preparatory state; and thus the plan of redemption would have been frustrated, and the word of God would have been void, taking none effect.
Moroni 7
[17] But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil, and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him.
[18] And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.
[19] Wherefore, I beseech of you, brethren, that ye should search diligently in the light of Christ that ye may know good from evil; and if ye will lay hold upon every good thing, and condemn it not, ye certainly will be a child of Christ.
My understanding of the nature of Christ, and yours do differ.

It all proceeds step by step for each of us. Who's right? "Right" is a relative term for what works in each persons personal salvation.
I disagree, the only path works that saves is through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, repentance, receiving your baptism by fire and Holy Ghost etc, that in the path ~ their is variance depending on ourselves, our openness, yes on what we are taught and given of course... in the end I believe every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.

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Enoch wrote: April 14th, 2023, 4:29 pm
FrankOne wrote: April 14th, 2023, 4:20 pm
Enoch wrote: April 14th, 2023, 11:49 am

My understanding is different from yours of the Gospel etc.

In my beliefs Christ is not our older brother ~ He is our Father.

We judge and measure all the time. Whether a burger is tasty or not, whether a car measures up to our standards or a house. In relationships we do the same, we don't marry those whom we judge not to our standards or desires. Christ will intervene for us if we repent, he cannot save us in our sins, we cannot be doing ill to our neighbor and believe we won't upset the heavens. If I have a family and a son is cruel and picks on my other son, I will judge him, and make a decision on how to best handle the situation. My judgement doesn't mean I do not love, him or value him. It does mean he has work to do to change. It means he hasn't comprehended love, sharing, kindness or other principles of God.

Imagine a women who doesn't judge a a possible husband. Let's say he doesn't work, he is abusive in word and action, he drinks till he gets abusive, and is hooked on pornography or unfaithfulness, think of all the possible things a man can do ill in relationship. Should the women not judge the situation and discern what is appropriate for her?

Like wise if a one of my children is speaking rudely to his Mom, I will speak with strength to them, this might give them fear to speak up, then it is my responsibility as a parent to instruct them of what that is wrong and how to "speak up" properly to his parents, of course never in intention to harm, but this also deals with personalities some need a soft hand, that is how they learn others have been hardened and need a harder hand, and it is very situational.

I do not think emotions like shame, fear or guilt don't have their place. I do think we have to understand them and as we grow use them correctly as there is incorrect forms of their usage. Fear for a bear is healthy, fear to go down in the worst parts of the city in the middle of night is heathy, fear because your parent will set boundaries and correct your, will teach you to have self control, it it logical to me and based on experience it is necessary. These conditions won't exist always but while we are here we must do our best to understand the correct usage of what we given on this earth.

If I feel guilty for stealing, if I feel ashamed for doing something shameful it teaches me. All these emotions are there to teach us I believe. To do whatever we want without consideration of consequences or consideration or others is not learning, nor growing nor maturing.

We were placed here to grow and learn, we cannot do that without light and darkness being presented before us and us being tested on our ability to discern between light and darkness. Christ says we are in a probationary state, and state to prepare to meet God. We are here to discern light and darkness and learn how to be like the Gods. Exalted God-humans have emotions and feelings else Satan would not have gotten angry and fallen from his lofty place.

Our Savior has every right to judge us, he paid the ultimate of sufferings to give us freedom to choose and live life. Consequence does exist for our actions, good and evil do exist. I've experienced demons and angels of God, I know they are there. I've been in the presence of the Savior, I know he is pure love, but he knows the we need work, that we should learn and grow and change, that is our responsibility. So many people get physically and mentally abused here, so many die and suffer. It would make God unjust for us (if he would excuse evil) for the evil that has been committed by some of his creations not to be punished for what they do.

Your view on existence and it's purpose is very different from mine, mine comes from the standard works, experience and revelation that I have received and of course you've received you own. So... we will see I guess...





My understanding of the nature of Christ, and yours do differ.

It all proceeds step by step for each of us. Who's right? "Right" is a relative term for what works in each persons personal salvation.
I disagree, the only path works that saves is through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, repentance, receiving your baptism by fire and Holy Ghost etc, that in the path ~ their is variance depending on ourselves, our openness, yes on what we are taught and given of course... in the end I believe every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.
There are billions of people on this earth with no belief in Christ, yet.... ...God is their father. A perfect father leads all of his children, whether they are aware of it or not. In the very end, all will certainly realize that Christ is the intercessor for the Father, but it won't be a scene of forced subservience , it will be a time of strong embrace in brotherhood and love.

God is the father of all men and teaches each man in the way that leads them home.

I find the well known line in the movie The Matrix to apply to all men. "Wake up Neo".

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Re: Word of the Lord

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FrankOne wrote: April 14th, 2023, 6:47 pm
Enoch wrote: April 14th, 2023, 4:29 pm
FrankOne wrote: April 14th, 2023, 4:20 pm

My understanding of the nature of Christ, and yours do differ.

It all proceeds step by step for each of us. Who's right? "Right" is a relative term for what works in each persons personal salvation.
I disagree, the only path works that saves is through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, repentance, receiving your baptism by fire and Holy Ghost etc, that in the path ~ their is variance depending on ourselves, our openness, yes on what we are taught and given of course... in the end I believe every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.
There are billions of people on this earth with no belief in Christ, yet.... ...God is their father. A perfect father leads all of his children, whether they are aware of it or not. In the very end, all will certainly realize that Christ is the intercessor for the Father, but it won't be a scene of forced subservience , it will be a time of strong embrace in brotherhood and love.

God is the father of all men and teaches each man in the way that leads them home.

I find the well known line in the movie The Matrix to apply to all men. "Wake up Neo".
Yep I agree with most of it, and no subservience of course.

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