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Fred wrote: March 30th, 2023, 3:11 pm
mudflap wrote: March 30th, 2023, 2:27 pm
Fred wrote: March 30th, 2023, 1:06 pm

There is land for less than $1k per acre in Arizona and Utah. Just not if you want only a small piece. There was some land near where I am now for only a few hundred per acre last year or so, but it was thousands of acres and they want cash.

One thing the west has is space. If you want to guarantee no neighbors within 5 miles, that is pretty easy. Try that east of the Mississippi.
I mean, if you only want 1/4 acre, I guess I get that, but for "off-grid" in a desert, you typically need MORE land in a desert to get the same yield you would get in a less arid environment - that's why cattle ranches in the west were huge, historically. So, yeah, if you can get it for less than $1k, that's where it's at, in my book.

And I'll give you that the west has more open space- that's one thing I really miss. But in the Appalachians, there are plenty of private "hollers" where you can't see any neighbors, due to the hills and vales all over the place.

If you want solitude though, 1/4 doesn't give you much. Some meth head could buy the 1/4 acre next to yours, and phhht! there goes the neighborhood, right? I get squeamish with my < 4 acres. wish it was 100. but it is what it is. i DO have some awesome neighbors, so I'm not going to complain. Feels like the almost perfect place to survive a collapse with the ones I've got - good fishing, good hunting, plenty of game, defensible, good crop land, mild seasons, plenty of water, buffered by some mountains (what you would call hills, lol), not too near anything big.

Practically, I would value "usefulness" and "productivity" over just solitude. And also, pretty hard to survive off-grid all by yourself on 1/4 acre - you really need a community. well, most of us would. I mean, I lie to myself and say I could take a backpack out in the backcountry and survive just fine for months, but reality is, I've never done it. Add a wife and kids.....definite nope.
Agreed. Where I am at, you can't even get a building permit on less than ten acres. Or a well permit. An old rancher friend told me why the ranchers called the area "Starvation." It is because there is almost nothing for the open range cattle to eat. They named the reservoir Starvation for that reason.
but it's some beautiful wide open country. my grandpa used to take me for drives out through Kamas, Tabiona and Fruitland. He's buried in Peoa. good times.

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A couple basic rules of thumb about property:

1. The three most important things about real estate: Location, location, location.

2. You get what you pay for.

Having said that, most of Utah is definitely overpriced. And Idaho is worse. But there are spots where you can still find a better deal — but often for obvious reasons.

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tmac wrote: March 30th, 2023, 8:31 pm A couple basic rules of thumb about property:

1. The three most important things about real estate: Location, location, location.

2. You get what you pay for.

Having said that, most of Utah is definitely overpriced. And Idaho is worse. But there are spots where you can still find a better deal — but often for obvious reasons.
And

3. Real estate is only worth what someone will pay for it.

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$1 down $0 interest or pay cash for a mighty discount.
Off-grid
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Fred wrote: April 9th, 2023, 3:38 pm $1 down $0 interest or pay cash for a mighty discount.
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Let's get a group together and go make it happen!!!

... Seriously though, I'll bet right here on LDSFF we have enough folks with the necessary skills and abilities to actually pull off something like this👍

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What are the three most important things about real estate? Location, location, location.

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Try Russia

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tmac wrote: April 9th, 2023, 6:08 pm What are the three most important things about real estate? Location, location, location.
that, and water.

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mudflap wrote: April 9th, 2023, 7:43 pm
tmac wrote: April 9th, 2023, 6:08 pm What are the three most important things about real estate? Location, location, location.
that, and water.
Water is part of the whole location equation. If there ain’t no water, it ain’t a good location.

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Not sure if the states near the border are safe.

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Cruiserdude wrote: April 9th, 2023, 3:42 pm
Fred wrote: April 9th, 2023, 3:38 pm $1 down $0 interest or pay cash for a mighty discount.
Off-grid
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Let's get a group together and go make it happen!!!

... Seriously though, I'll bet right here on LDSFF we have enough folks with the necessary skills and abilities to actually pull off something like this👍
The land is super cheap ($4k for 5 acres), but it appears the closest water is a minimum of 30 minutes away - assuming a well wouldn't work well. It is remote though. :lol:

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Here's a better option, IMO:

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beautiful!
but how do we get more info, Mudflap?
join https://freedomcells.org/ and find out.

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This video breaks down the USA by a variety of statistics; race, bar vs grocery stores, happiness, income, crime, etc.

Check your prospective utopia on this series of maps.

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Cruiserdude wrote: April 9th, 2023, 3:42 pm
Fred wrote: April 9th, 2023, 3:38 pm $1 down $0 interest or pay cash for a mighty discount.
Off-grid
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Let's get a group together and go make it happen!!!

... Seriously though, I'll bet right here on LDSFF we have enough folks with the necessary skills and abilities to actually pull off something like this👍
I've seen a few tries over the past 10 years go bad. People fail every time they try to make rules for everyone else and how they should live, instead of focusing on a successful project that benefits everyone contributing. One project I was booted from for having an opinion, wanted to dictate meals for the next 30 years and actually planned a written meal chart with assignments for years..... Also they were not going to allow cellphones and internet on the property because that gives people access to stuff like porn. Also they thought my medical treatments and prescriptions had to be approved by the moral police. OH yeah... I had to get married at some point bc single women don't get to Heaven unless you're Sherri Dew, and they wanted only righteous people. Also... I'll stop there. It got pretty stupid. :lol: The other couple groups I tried to be involved with failed for the same reason. These projects might succeed if people run it like a town and remember personal boundaries and MYOFB, instead of trying to run it like a little religious group. If they model it like we were told Zion is.. like King Benjamin told us - no poor among us, make sure everybody's needs and wants are met, then let people choose their own personal life and what they want to eat for the next 30 years, it might work out better.

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FoxMammaWisdom wrote: April 23rd, 2023, 2:29 pm
Cruiserdude wrote: April 9th, 2023, 3:42 pm
Fred wrote: April 9th, 2023, 3:38 pm $1 down $0 interest or pay cash for a mighty discount.
Off-grid
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Let's get a group together and go make it happen!!!

... Seriously though, I'll bet right here on LDSFF we have enough folks with the necessary skills and abilities to actually pull off something like this👍
I've seen a few tries over the past 10 years go bad. People fail every time they try to make rules for everyone else and how they should live, instead of focusing on a successful project that benefits everyone contributing. One project I was booted from for having an opinion, wanted to dictate meals for the next 30 years and actually planned a written meal chart with assignments for years..... Also they were not going to allow cellphones and internet on the property because that gives people access to stuff like porn. Also they thought my medical treatments and prescriptions had to be approved by the moral police. OH yeah... I had to get married at some point bc single women don't get to Heaven unless you're Sherri Dew, and they wanted only righteous people. Also... I'll stop there. It got pretty stupid. :lol: The other couple groups I tried to be involved with failed for the same reason. These projects might succeed if people run it like a town and remember personal boundaries and MYOFB, instead of trying to run it like a little religious group. If they model it like we were told Zion is.. like King Benjamin told us - no poor among us, make sure everybody's needs and wants are met, then let people choose their own personal life and what they want to eat for the next 30 years, it might work out better.
Sheesh. Doesn't sound like what I'm after AT ALL. Actually sounds like what hell would be like. I'll be far, far away from places like that.

The community I'm seeking will be based on the opposite principle: if you require rules to get you to love your fellow men and to love God, then you're not ready to live here😁

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FoxMammaWisdom wrote: April 23rd, 2023, 2:29 pm
Cruiserdude wrote: April 9th, 2023, 3:42 pm
Fred wrote: April 9th, 2023, 3:38 pm $1 down $0 interest or pay cash for a mighty discount.
Off-grid
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Let's get a group together and go make it happen!!!

... Seriously though, I'll bet right here on LDSFF we have enough folks with the necessary skills and abilities to actually pull off something like this👍
I've seen a few tries over the past 10 years go bad. People fail every time they try to make rules for everyone else and how they should live, instead of focusing on a successful project that benefits everyone contributing. One project I was booted from for having an opinion, wanted to dictate meals for the next 30 years and actually planned a written meal chart with assignments for years..... Also they were not going to allow cellphones and internet on the property because that gives people access to stuff like porn. Also they thought my medical treatments and prescriptions had to be approved by the moral police. OH yeah... I had to get married at some point bc single women don't get to Heaven unless you're Sherri Dew, and they wanted only righteous people. Also... I'll stop there. It got pretty stupid. :lol: The other couple groups I tried to be involved with failed for the same reason. These projects might succeed if people run it like a town and remember personal boundaries and MYOFB, instead of trying to run it like a little religious group. If they model it like we were told Zion is.. like King Benjamin told us - no poor among us, make sure everybody's needs and wants are met, then let people choose their own personal life and what they want to eat for the next 30 years, it might work out better.
I tried in Arizona and in Utah, to allow people to share my land and all they had to do was be clean and not wander on my space. I mostly just wanted someone watching things. I caught one guy pouring sand in my generator crankcase. I called the sheriff on him. He went to jail. He got drunk and was jealous that I had stuff he did not. One woman and her mother invited people over that wouldn't stay in their space. They had to climb the cliffs and see what was on my space. I told them to leave.

It isn't easy to find compatible people. Some want something for nothing. More productive people want a place of their own.

I once had a chance to buy 100 acres dirt cheap. So I went to Salt Lake and talked to several homeless people to see if they was interested in choosing a spot and developing it. No rent. Just productivity. Nope. Welfare office too far. Can't get food stamps. Grocery store is too far.

I just threw away 20 dozen eggs as nobody wanted them. I keep them in a large cooler, but when the cooler gets full, it's throw away time. If I had some help I would put up another solar array to heat the egg turners. Then I would have had 20 dozen chicks. But then what to do with them? Feed them and get more eggs? Lots of people around here have their own chickens and eggs. People in town prefer the store. I don't really want to do it in a big way. Then the government comes around and tells me they are going to kill everything as they think a sparrow has avian flu.

The best thing is for neighbors to work with one another. Everyone owns their own land and has their privacy. Everyone has different talents and abilities. Everyone's needs are met. Everybody I know would give people clothes if they was naked. Why does it have to be so hard?

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Consider Strategic Relocation by Joel Skousen.

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Fred wrote: April 23rd, 2023, 3:11 pm
FoxMammaWisdom wrote: April 23rd, 2023, 2:29 pm
Cruiserdude wrote: April 9th, 2023, 3:42 pm

Let's get a group together and go make it happen!!!

... Seriously though, I'll bet right here on LDSFF we have enough folks with the necessary skills and abilities to actually pull off something like this👍
I've seen a few tries over the past 10 years go bad. People fail every time they try to make rules for everyone else and how they should live, instead of focusing on a successful project that benefits everyone contributing. One project I was booted from for having an opinion, wanted to dictate meals for the next 30 years and actually planned a written meal chart with assignments for years..... Also they were not going to allow cellphones and internet on the property because that gives people access to stuff like porn. Also they thought my medical treatments and prescriptions had to be approved by the moral police. OH yeah... I had to get married at some point bc single women don't get to Heaven unless you're Sherri Dew, and they wanted only righteous people. Also... I'll stop there. It got pretty stupid. :lol: The other couple groups I tried to be involved with failed for the same reason. These projects might succeed if people run it like a town and remember personal boundaries and MYOFB, instead of trying to run it like a little religious group. If they model it like we were told Zion is.. like King Benjamin told us - no poor among us, make sure everybody's needs and wants are met, then let people choose their own personal life and what they want to eat for the next 30 years, it might work out better.
I tried in Arizona and in Utah, to allow people to share my land and all they had to do was be clean and not wander on my space. I mostly just wanted someone watching things. I caught one guy pouring sand in my generator crankcase. I called the sheriff on him. He went to jail. He got drunk and was jealous that I had stuff he did not. One woman and her mother invited people over that wouldn't stay in their space. They had to climb the cliffs and see what was on my space. I told them to leave.

It isn't easy to find compatible people. Some want something for nothing. More productive people want a place of their own.

I once had a chance to buy 100 acres dirt cheap. So I went to Salt Lake and talked to several homeless people to see if they was interested in choosing a spot and developing it. No rent. Just productivity. Nope. Welfare office too far. Can't get food stamps. Grocery store is too far.

I just threw away 20 dozen eggs as nobody wanted them. I keep them in a large cooler, but when the cooler gets full, it's throw away time. If I had some help I would put up another solar array to heat the egg turners. Then I would have had 20 dozen chicks. But then what to do with them? Feed them and get more eggs? Lots of people around here have their own chickens and eggs. People in town prefer the store. I don't really want to do it in a big way. Then the government comes around and tells me they are going to kill everything as they think a sparrow has avian flu.

The best thing is for neighbors to work with one another. Everyone owns their own land and has their privacy. Everyone has different talents and abilities. Everyone's needs are met. Everybody I know would give people clothes if they was naked. Why does it have to be so hard?
I think you've hit on something here, Fred -

most people are where they want to be.

Sounds simple, but whether it's health, location, savings account, spirituality - folks are normally content with where they are. Very few are willing to really work hard to change their situation or circumstances. Sometimes, God steps in and forces change, they won't naturally choose to change on their own:
...and this because of their ease, and their exceedingly great prosperity.

3 And thus we see that except the Lord doth chasten his people with many afflictions, yea, except he doth visit them with death and with terror, and with famine and with all manner of pestilence, they will not remember him.
Helaman 12:2-3

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Here's a free eBook for anyone interested in Cob-style homes and building. It's quite extensive. You can download the PDF here:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/cob-masterclas ... 0Guide.pdf

If that doesn't work, you can access his website here:
https://www.thiscobhouse.com/

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: April 28th, 2023, 1:28 pm Here's a free eBook for anyone interested in Cob-style homes and building. It's quite extensive. You can download the PDF here:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/cob-masterclas ... 0Guide.pdf

If that doesn't work, you can access his website here:
https://www.thiscobhouse.com/
It's a good method, tried and true. I was looking into it for a long time before I went with logs.

Here in the USA, you'll have to make sure that you build in an area where you don't need a building permit or inspections, or you'll have to have an engineer sign off on your design. Code people are going to be unhappy with the lack of sufficient r-value for this method, even though it's more energy efficient than the best "stick framed" (modern 2x4 framed) home.

I still had to fight the code people with my log home (I obviously won). Some folks don't win, though. Just make sure you do your due diligence before buying land - go to the county permit office, and ask them what their rules are for building a home - tell them exactly what you want to do. If they raise their eyebrows or give you any guff, move along. It'll be worth it in the long run to not have to deal with them. For us, we prayed for a piece of land, and found this one, and tried NOT to buy it, but God had other plans, and it's worked out ok. I wanted to buy about 10 minutes further down the road which would have gotten us out the building permit requirement. But here we are.

Make sure you do a blog and take lots of pictures - it's an adventure, and you'll inspire folks with your progress.

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Shalom,

I have lived off grid years ago for many years. I have lived in a few Intentional Communities, or United Orders. I have lived in and out of the country. I have tried to get a community going for the last 15 years, here in Colorado, to no avail.

The things I have found to be true: Spring Water on the property is everything. Living Off Grid is a goal, but power grid is needed to give one affordable options. Quality Emergency Medical availability needs to be there, we all grow old. Living to far out only impoverishes you. Zoning Ordinances are not set in cement and there is no guarantees on anything really working in your favor long term. One spirituality matters more than all your preparations. Those you fellowship with matters almost as much as the church you attend. People will be people, and it you are actually a Saint, you will spend a life time trying to find four other Saints to gather with! This current generation will being the end of civilization, as we know it, here in America.

The Satanist (Cursed Seed) are winning the war between Good and Evil!!! Most People are completely unaware and even large portions of Believers are generally never even taught about the different types of Beings sent down into this Creation and the levels or statuses of these Beings. The Garden of Eden is a historical account of the human race first mortal parents. The problem with this faithful account is, it is told in a fashion of a fairytale, a child like fable for young children. Was this intentional? Yes! To conceal the more sacred parts and keep them hidden from the unworthy and the spiritually unprepared thoughout time, until the End Time. It is a Parable though it is not told by embedding key elements in a totally unrelated similar story as usual. It is an Allegory though it does not contain the common allegorical forms of comparisons. It has substitutions of items like people as trees (which is common in the scriptures), but the un-named fruit to conceal physical and spiritual acts to intentionally conceal the truth from unbelievers, is new. In these evil times we live in, this has left a majority of true believes and the whole world totally ignorant as to the true issues of the complete nature of man. The blindness of G_d’s people to the real opposition of our foes and enemies, from the dawn of time down until now, the End Time is almost unimaginable. We continue to allow these Beings to crepe into our institutions of faith, education, society, and even unto the reins of power in the government, here in the US of A. They are now found in all sectors and jurisdictions, from the military to civilians, from electoral offices to bureaucrats, from private corporate boards and companies to private lobbyist and special interest groups. They have infiltrate everything, from publishing, media, entertainment, even down to our use of language and societal norms. The most grievous of all this is, they have corrupted all the different faiths, especially the Christian churches, but more reprehensible is the intentional corruption of the offspring of the Elect, and a full frontal assault to kill the Elect and supplant the Birthright. The world’s rejection of Truth, Light and Knowledge is truly astounding! The untold resulting carnage and needless suffrage is disheartening right down to the bottom of my immortal soul, and any other feeling Being who has one.

Shalom, Shalom

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Kingdom of ZION wrote: April 29th, 2023, 12:04 pm Shalom,

I have lived off grid years ago for many years. I have lived in a few Intentional Communities, or United Orders. I have lived in and out of the country. I have tried to get a community going for the last 15 years, here in Colorado, to no avail.

The things I have found to be true: Spring Water on the property is everything. Living Off Grid is a goal, but power grid is needed to give one affordable options. Quality Emergency Medical availability needs to be there, we all grow old. Living to far out only impoverishes you. Zoning Ordinances are not set in cement and there is no guarantees on anything really working in your favor long term. One spirituality matters more than all your preparations. Those you fellowship with matters almost as much as the church you attend. People will be people, and it you are actually a Saint, you will spend a life time trying to find four other Saints to gather with! This current generation will being the end of civilization, as we know it, here in America.

The Satanist (Cursed Seed) are winning the war between Good and Evil!!! Most People are completely unaware and even large portions of Believers are generally never even taught about the different types of Beings sent down into this Creation and the levels or statuses of these Beings. The Garden of Eden is a historical account of the human race first mortal parents. The problem with this faithful account is, it is told in a fashion of a fairytale, a child like fable for young children. Was this intentional? Yes! To conceal the more sacred parts and keep them hidden from the unworthy and the spiritually unprepared thoughout time, until the End Time. It is a Parable though it is not told by embedding key elements in a totally unrelated similar story as usual. It is an Allegory though it does not contain the common allegorical forms of comparisons. It has substitutions of items like people as trees (which is common in the scriptures), but the un-named fruit to conceal physical and spiritual acts to intentionally conceal the truth from unbelievers, is new. In these evil times we live in, this has left a majority of true believes and the whole world totally ignorant as to the true issues of the complete nature of man. The blindness of G_d’s people to the real opposition of our foes and enemies, from the dawn of time down until now, the End Time is almost unimaginable. We continue to allow these Beings to crepe into our institutions of faith, education, society, and even unto the reins of power in the government, here in the US of A. They are now found in all sectors and jurisdictions, from the military to civilians, from electoral offices to bureaucrats, from private corporate boards and companies to private lobbyist and special interest groups. They have infiltrate everything, from publishing, media, entertainment, even down to our use of language and societal norms. The most grievous of all this is, they have corrupted all the different faiths, especially the Christian churches, but more reprehensible is the intentional corruption of the offspring of the Elect, and a full frontal assault to kill the Elect and supplant the Birthright. The world’s rejection of Truth, Light and Knowledge is truly astounding! The untold resulting carnage and needless suffrage is disheartening right down to the bottom of my immortal soul, and any other feeling Being who has one.

Shalom, Shalom
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Yes, we don’t hear near enough from KoZ, but it’s always good when we do.

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tmac wrote: April 29th, 2023, 10:06 pm Yes, we don’t hear near enough from KoZ, but it’s always good when we do.
Thank you, I do miss reading what others are up too. These times are moving so fast, I can hardly keep up. I have been writing Gospel Papers and studying a lot. I believe may things will start soon, opening the eyes of those who have not yet been paying attention.

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I found the experience of this man in building a cob home in northeastern Missouri to be enlightening. If you live in a cold climate, you need insulation. Straight cob construction is not ideal in cold climates:

https://theyearofmud.com/2011/03/03/cob ... d-climate/

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