6 transgender youth... In one ward

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Lemarque wrote: March 28th, 2023, 2:49 pm
Dusty Wanderer wrote: March 2nd, 2023, 9:49 am "...would be the only thing that would get him to not have a testimony anymore"

I've heard these kind of statements, too. For many members a "testimony" is nothing more than agreement or "alignment" with the Church. Disaffection results in the abandonment of everything perceived as being associated with the Church.

The question I have with the OP's situation in the Church is how much is complicity vs attempted mitigation. Would it be growing within the Church if they had held a firmer position on it? ("If the Church is fine with it, then it must be okay.")

Or would there just be more people leaving as parent(s) encourage their children to fall into the jaws of Baal? (If this, I can see why the Church is taking some of its positions on the issue; though, I whole-heartedly disagree and think there may be more self-preservation and some vanity in it, rather than any hope that accommodation/acceptance will result in reversal/abolishment.)
The way my friend explained it is that essentially the only thing that the church exclusively offers is a promise of eternal families, and the sealing ordinance to enforce it. Plenty of other churches teach of Christ, but the eternal family has been the core 'plain and precious' truth that no one else offers an ordinance for.

If the church allows gay marriage, then the only legitimate offering the church isn't there anymore. A family is a man and a woman with potential for eternal increase. If you change that, for him at least, the church is saying the family isn't really anything concrete. Which removes the core of church doctrine.
The way the pro-LGBTQ members of the church explain this, is that a family of two married men or two married women, with or without children (adopted, surrogate, IVF) is as legitimate in God’s eyes as any other LDS married couple. No one in the church has said children are required here on earth to have an eternal family, and the eternal increase idea is so vague (on how that happens) that it really isn’t a selling point. It’s been eons since I’ve heard that only Mormons get to have sex in heaven.

I don’t agree with the pro-LGBTQ members, but they seem to be 100% convinced that a gay marriage can be as righteous, sacred, holy, and can endure into the eternities, equal in every way to traditional marriage.

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Lizzy60 wrote: March 28th, 2023, 3:21 pm
Lemarque wrote: March 28th, 2023, 2:49 pm
Dusty Wanderer wrote: March 2nd, 2023, 9:49 am "...would be the only thing that would get him to not have a testimony anymore"

I've heard these kind of statements, too. For many members a "testimony" is nothing more than agreement or "alignment" with the Church. Disaffection results in the abandonment of everything perceived as being associated with the Church.

The question I have with the OP's situation in the Church is how much is complicity vs attempted mitigation. Would it be growing within the Church if they had held a firmer position on it? ("If the Church is fine with it, then it must be okay.")

Or would there just be more people leaving as parent(s) encourage their children to fall into the jaws of Baal? (If this, I can see why the Church is taking some of its positions on the issue; though, I whole-heartedly disagree and think there may be more self-preservation and some vanity in it, rather than any hope that accommodation/acceptance will result in reversal/abolishment.)
The way my friend explained it is that essentially the only thing that the church exclusively offers is a promise of eternal families, and the sealing ordinance to enforce it. Plenty of other churches teach of Christ, but the eternal family has been the core 'plain and precious' truth that no one else offers an ordinance for.

If the church allows gay marriage, then the only legitimate offering the church isn't there anymore. A family is a man and a woman with potential for eternal increase. If you change that, for him at least, the church is saying the family isn't really anything concrete. Which removes the core of church doctrine.
I don’t agree with the pro-LGBTQ members, but they seem to be 100% convinced that a gay marriage can be as righteous, sacred, holy, and can endure into the eternities, equal in every way to traditional marriage.
It's a battle of wills. And right now, sadly the LGBTQ+ crowd is winning that battle.

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Bronco73idi wrote: March 23rd, 2023, 11:23 am
As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

Isaiah 3:12, 2 Nephi 13:12 comes to mind.
Transgender women? Reading your post was the first time this occurred to me.

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spiritMan wrote: March 23rd, 2023, 3:34 pm
TheDuke wrote: March 23rd, 2023, 3:18 pm
spiritMan wrote: March 23rd, 2023, 3:14 pm
When did people lose their marbles.

If a member in good standing was flying a flag with the Playboy bunny at their house, drove a truck that had the Playboy bunny on it, wore a Playboy bunny pin, tie, logo on their clothes at church... that IS advocacy for it, it is absolutely grooming bc the kids will look up the Playboy bunny, find a whole bunch of stuff about it and get GROOMED into accepting porn.

The same thing with the queer flag.

Sheesh... SMH.
BS, I worked for a farmer long ago that had those black mud flaps with the silvery playboy bunny symbol on them. We all drove that truck around. Not sure where he got them from, likely free with some tires.

But neither he, nor I, nor the other workers were promoting playboy. I will admit, I never saw a playboy tie pin (or do you mean tie clip, seems pins would have been pretty small)?

Perhaps if I wore a tie and if I went to church, I might wear one for effect, you know, to get those, like you, to jump all over me? Prolly not though.
Oh come on. You know you are avoiding the issue.
keep up man! the word I took offense to was "groomed". You're a dollar short and a day late if you think your response here addressed "grooming".

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Silver Pie wrote: March 28th, 2023, 7:28 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: March 23rd, 2023, 11:23 am
As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

Isaiah 3:12, 2 Nephi 13:12 comes to mind.
Transgender women? Reading your post was the first time this occurred to me.
MTF are still men, they have been lead to greatly err. When they die and nothing is left except bones, it will be bones of a man.

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TheDuke wrote: March 28th, 2023, 9:09 pm
spiritMan wrote: March 23rd, 2023, 3:34 pm
TheDuke wrote: March 23rd, 2023, 3:18 pm

BS, I worked for a farmer long ago that had those black mud flaps with the silvery playboy bunny symbol on them. We all drove that truck around. Not sure where he got them from, likely free with some tires.

But neither he, nor I, nor the other workers were promoting playboy. I will admit, I never saw a playboy tie pin (or do you mean tie clip, seems pins would have been pretty small)?

Perhaps if I wore a tie and if I went to church, I might wear one for effect, you know, to get those, like you, to jump all over me? Prolly not though.
Oh come on. You know you are avoiding the issue.
keep up man! the word I took offense to was "groomed". You're a dollar short and a day late if you think your response here addressed "grooming".
Umm . . . .you clearly don't know what the word "groom" means:
"the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity."

In other words, by flying flags, by getting children acquainted with these ideas, thoughts, behaviors, etc. with no pushback (i.e. this is bad to do) the children are being trained or prepared to accept the LGBTQ+ attitudes, behaviors, lifestyles, etc.

QED. Textbook grooming.

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spiritMan wrote: March 29th, 2023, 9:28 am
TheDuke wrote: March 28th, 2023, 9:09 pm
spiritMan wrote: March 23rd, 2023, 3:34 pm
Oh come on. You know you are avoiding the issue.
keep up man! the word I took offense to was "groomed". You're a dollar short and a day late if you think your response here addressed "grooming".
Umm . . . .you clearly don't know what the word "groom" means:
"the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity."

In other words, by flying flags, by getting children acquainted with these ideas, thoughts, behaviors, etc. with no pushback (i.e. this is bad to do) the children are being trained or prepared to accept the LGBTQ+ attitudes, behaviors, lifestyles, etc.

QED. Textbook grooming.
LoL. at your interpretation of grooming. As you say grooming is direct preparation, not advanced, third degree from hands on anything. BTW show me where the church leaders put out the flags........... not some group at BYU lighting the Y. Not some bishop, the church. Link would be nice.

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spiritMan wrote: March 29th, 2023, 9:28 am Umm . . . .you clearly don't know what the word "groom" means:
"the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity."

In other words, by flying flags, by getting children acquainted with these ideas, thoughts, behaviors, etc. with no pushback (i.e. this is bad to do) the children are being trained or prepared to accept the LGBTQ+ attitudes, behaviors, lifestyles, etc.

QED. Textbook grooming.
What's crazy to me is my friend that lives in this ward with 6 trans kids has 4 kids of his own, all under 10. All that are school aged attend public school.

In his home, he pushes back against the LGBTQ thing with his kids.

But then they drive to school and see that their friend's house has a rainbow flag. And then they have teachers in their school who are LBGT. And then they attend church and see that there are 'active' members changing their gender.

And I can't imagine they aren't thinking, especially at their young ages, "All these people I know are in favor of this. How can it be bad? My dad is the only person who tells me it is."

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Lemarque wrote: March 29th, 2023, 3:49 pm
spiritMan wrote: March 29th, 2023, 9:28 am Umm . . . .you clearly don't know what the word "groom" means:
"the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity."

In other words, by flying flags, by getting children acquainted with these ideas, thoughts, behaviors, etc. with no pushback (i.e. this is bad to do) the children are being trained or prepared to accept the LGBTQ+ attitudes, behaviors, lifestyles, etc.

QED. Textbook grooming.
What's crazy to me is my friend that lives in this ward with 6 trans kids has 4 kids of his own, all under 10. All that are school aged attend public school.

In his home, he pushes back against the LGBTQ thing with his kids.

But then they drive to school and see that their friend's house has a rainbow flag. And then they have teachers in their school who are LBGT. And then they attend church and see that there are 'active' members changing their gender.

And I can't imagine they aren't thinking, especially at their young ages, "All these people I know are in favor of this. How can it be bad? My dad is the only person who tells me it is."
That's right . . it's called GROOMING!!! @TheDuke..

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TheDuke wrote: March 29th, 2023, 11:07 am
spiritMan wrote: March 29th, 2023, 9:28 am
TheDuke wrote: March 28th, 2023, 9:09 pm

keep up man! the word I took offense to was "groomed". You're a dollar short and a day late if you think your response here addressed "grooming".
Umm . . . .you clearly don't know what the word "groom" means:
"the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity."

In other words, by flying flags, by getting children acquainted with these ideas, thoughts, behaviors, etc. with no pushback (i.e. this is bad to do) the children are being trained or prepared to accept the LGBTQ+ attitudes, behaviors, lifestyles, etc.

QED. Textbook grooming.
LoL. at your interpretation of grooming. As you say grooming is direct preparation, not advanced, third degree from hands on anything. BTW show me where the church leaders put out the flags........... not some group at BYU lighting the Y. Not some bishop, the church. Link would be nice.
Silence is consent and approval. The Church's silence on this signifies it's approval of it.

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spiritMan wrote: March 29th, 2023, 4:01 pm
TheDuke wrote: March 29th, 2023, 11:07 am
spiritMan wrote: March 29th, 2023, 9:28 am
Umm . . . .you clearly don't know what the word "groom" means:
"the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity."

In other words, by flying flags, by getting children acquainted with these ideas, thoughts, behaviors, etc. with no pushback (i.e. this is bad to do) the children are being trained or prepared to accept the LGBTQ+ attitudes, behaviors, lifestyles, etc.

QED. Textbook grooming.
LoL. at your interpretation of grooming. As you say grooming is direct preparation, not advanced, third degree from hands on anything. BTW show me where the church leaders put out the flags........... not some group at BYU lighting the Y. Not some bishop, the church. Link would be nice.
Silence is consent and approval. The Church's silence on this signifies it's approval of it.
First off we were talking grooming not some other thing like consent or approval. Second, silence does not mean approval or consent. It was stated on another thread that the LDS leaders are near perfect. You didn't respond to disagree therefore you agree and consent the statement is true......

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TheDuke wrote: March 29th, 2023, 5:47 pm
spiritMan wrote: March 29th, 2023, 4:01 pm
TheDuke wrote: March 29th, 2023, 11:07 am

LoL. at your interpretation of grooming. As you say grooming is direct preparation, not advanced, third degree from hands on anything. BTW show me where the church leaders put out the flags........... not some group at BYU lighting the Y. Not some bishop, the church. Link would be nice.
Silence is consent and approval. The Church's silence on this signifies it's approval of it.
First off we were talking grooming not some other thing like consent or approval. Second, silence does not mean approval or consent. It was stated on another thread that the LDS leaders are near perfect. You didn't respond to disagree therefore you agree and consent the statement is true......
Show me the thread, lol, JK.

We can take the lord’s example and keep our pie holes shut until we are asked. Then if you don’t tell them the truth you are like Peter, denying the word. We can repent and try to be stronger next time. I have said, there is no reason to turn the cheek if you agree with Babylon, or don’t tell them you disagree when asked.

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Lemarque wrote: March 29th, 2023, 3:49 pm
spiritMan wrote: March 29th, 2023, 9:28 am Umm . . . .you clearly don't know what the word "groom" means:
"the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity."

In other words, by flying flags, by getting children acquainted with these ideas, thoughts, behaviors, etc. with no pushback (i.e. this is bad to do) the children are being trained or prepared to accept the LGBTQ+ attitudes, behaviors, lifestyles, etc.

QED. Textbook grooming.
What's crazy to me is my friend that lives in this ward with 6 trans kids has 4 kids of his own, all under 10. All that are school aged attend public school.

In his home, he pushes back against the LGBTQ thing with his kids.

But then they drive to school and see that their friend's house has a rainbow flag. And then they have teachers in their school who are LBGT. And then they attend church and see that there are 'active' members changing their gender.

And I can't imagine they aren't thinking, especially at their young ages, "All these people I know are in favor of this. How can it be bad? My dad is the only person who tells me it is."
And daddy is guaranteed to lose, (almost) as the school and church wins almost 99%. You have to physically get out. Look at Lot in Sodom, none of his daughter-in-laws or son-in-laws or sons or daughters except two of his young single daughters would leave, and his wife was still attached. Get the hell out, period. No other remedy, it's to late.

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devouring mother syndrome in action
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People have to choose what to do, this is their graduation test. Godhead won't hold your hand all the way and guide you like a mother hen.

There will be a different solution applied to these individuals that got caught up in all this. Although maybe it'll be like 2021 solution.

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An LDS woman is reporting that her Bishop brought her husband and herself into his office, and read to them the section in the Handbook that states that discussions about sexual orientation are not appropriate for church meetings. Their problem? Their teenaged son is “exploring” his sexuality and has decided he is pansexual as well as gender-fluid. This (according to mom) is a very important part of his identity, and he has been talking to the other young men about it. The Bishop says the young men have told him they are very uncomfortable with what the gender-bender pansexual is saying, and don’t want the discussions to continue. The queer young man says that every lesson about dating or marriage, and even talking about stake dances and activities, is about sexual and gender orientation, except only straight and cis, nothing queer. He cries discrimination and harassment.

Coming soon to a ward near you.

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Lizzy60 wrote: July 30th, 2023, 5:42 pm An LDS woman is reporting that her Bishop brought her husband and herself into his office, and read to them the section in the Handbook that states that discussions about sexual orientation are not appropriate for church meetings. Their problem? Their teenaged son is “exploring” his sexuality and has decided he is pansexual as well as gender-fluid. This (according to mom) is a very important part of his identity, and he has been talking to the other young men about it. The Bishop says the young men have told him they are very uncomfortable with what the gender-bender pansexual is saying, and don’t want the discussions to continue. The queer young man says that every lesson about dating or marriage, and even talking about stake dances and activities, is about sexual and gender orientation, except only straight and cis, nothing queer. He cries discrimination and harassment.

Coming soon to a ward near you.
" read to them the section in the Handbook that states that discussions about sexual orientation are not appropriate for church meetings."

What a bunch of morons the Church leaders are. The queer young man is correct and the Church is wrong; every lesson about dating/marriage/male-female relationships IS about sexual mores, gender mores i.e. "sexual orientation".

The Church should grow a pair (but they won't) and just state "discussions advocating for non-Christian orientations (i.e. queer) are not appropriate for church meetings."

But b/c they are a bunch of weasels and won't talk straight, the right parents can be persuasive enough with the right stake leaders (or visa versa) to turn that statement in the Church handbook into advocacy for whatever they want.

What a bunch of cucks . . .

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Lizzy60 wrote: July 30th, 2023, 5:42 pm An LDS woman is reporting that her Bishop brought her husband and herself into his office, and read to them the section in the Handbook that states that discussions about sexual orientation are not appropriate for church meetings. Their problem? Their teenaged son is “exploring” his sexuality and has decided he is pansexual as well as gender-fluid. This (according to mom) is a very important part of his identity, and he has been talking to the other young men about it. The Bishop says the young men have told him they are very uncomfortable with what the gender-bender pansexual is saying, and don’t want the discussions to continue. The queer young man says that every lesson about dating or marriage, and even talking about stake dances and activities, is about sexual and gender orientation, except only straight and cis, nothing queer. He cries discrimination and harassment.

Coming soon to a ward near you.
Link please.
Never mind---found it. And this mother is a teacher at Hawthorne Elementary in a rural town north of Kansas City. . . SMH. . . .of course. Send your kids to that elementary school and get your kids indoctrinated there. Sick, sick world.

Pretty soon the rest of the world will find out just how "woke" the LDS have become.

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spiritMan wrote: July 30th, 2023, 8:18 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: July 30th, 2023, 5:42 pm An LDS woman is reporting that her Bishop brought her husband and herself into his office, and read to them the section in the Handbook that states that discussions about sexual orientation are not appropriate for church meetings. Their problem? Their teenaged son is “exploring” his sexuality and has decided he is pansexual as well as gender-fluid. This (according to mom) is a very important part of his identity, and he has been talking to the other young men about it. The Bishop says the young men have told him they are very uncomfortable with what the gender-bender pansexual is saying, and don’t want the discussions to continue. The queer young man says that every lesson about dating or marriage, and even talking about stake dances and activities, is about sexual and gender orientation, except only straight and cis, nothing queer. He cries discrimination and harassment.

Coming soon to a ward near you.
Link please.
Never mind---found it. And this mother is a teacher at Hawthorne Elementary in a rural town north of Kansas City. . . SMH. . . .of course. Send your kids to that elementary school and get your kids indoctrinated there. Sick, sick world.

Pretty soon the rest of the world will find out just how "woke" the LDS have become.
Dang. Kearney was a town my wife and I have looked at moving to. We hoped it was far enough away from KC to not have too much liberal insanity. But it seems like this particular form of insanity has a very strong foothold in Mormondom. No matter where in the United States you are.

Up in Tremonton Utah my father in law teaches at the high school. In his hallway where his classroom is there are multiple active LDS 'educators' with rainbow ally signs at their door. This is a community that voted 80+% Republican in the last presidential election.

I saw multiple pride flags up in nearby Deweyville this year during June. Population ~500.

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Lemarque wrote: July 30th, 2023, 8:34 pm
spiritMan wrote: July 30th, 2023, 8:18 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: July 30th, 2023, 5:42 pm An LDS woman is reporting that her Bishop brought her husband and herself into his office, and read to them the section in the Handbook that states that discussions about sexual orientation are not appropriate for church meetings. Their problem? Their teenaged son is “exploring” his sexuality and has decided he is pansexual as well as gender-fluid. This (according to mom) is a very important part of his identity, and he has been talking to the other young men about it. The Bishop says the young men have told him they are very uncomfortable with what the gender-bender pansexual is saying, and don’t want the discussions to continue. The queer young man says that every lesson about dating or marriage, and even talking about stake dances and activities, is about sexual and gender orientation, except only straight and cis, nothing queer. He cries discrimination and harassment.

Coming soon to a ward near you.
Link please.
Never mind---found it. And this mother is a teacher at Hawthorne Elementary in a rural town north of Kansas City. . . SMH. . . .of course. Send your kids to that elementary school and get your kids indoctrinated there. Sick, sick world.

Pretty soon the rest of the world will find out just how "woke" the LDS have become.
Dang. Kearney was a town my wife and I have looked at moving to. We hoped it was far enough away from KC to not have too much liberal insanity. But it seems like this particular form of insanity has a very strong foothold in Mormondom. No matter where in the United States you are.

Up in Tremonton Utah my father in law teaches at the high school. In his hallway where his classroom is there are multiple active LDS 'educators' with rainbow ally signs at their door. This is a community that voted 80+% Republican in the last presidential election.

I saw multiple pride flags up in nearby Deweyville this year during June. Population ~500.
And it's spreading overseas. A SP in Brazil has "training" meetings with the queer advocate in Canada.

It's easy to see what it is spreading like wildfire in Mormonism. Mormonism is a very hierarchical top-down dictatorial structure; as such people expect things to be dictated to them-like 1 earing, no caffeine, etc. Now take a massive moral topic with no leadership at the top condemning it and the hive mind of Mormons go nuts b/c if it's not being condemned . . .well I guess that means it's acceptable. And that's all she wrote.

Get your kids out of Mormonism before it's too late. . . .

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My link shows her as a teacher at Hawthorne Elementary and lives in Salt Lake City, so maybe rural Kansas is still relatively safe. Also, her son is about 13. Thirteen. He has decided he is pansexual and gender-fluid. If I were his parent I would be VERY concerned, not just about him being queer, but about his thought processes, and what influences him to decide this.

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I was recently called as Second Counselor in the Elder's Quorum Presidency in my ward. I've been looking up and down the list of all the people that are supposed to be under our care as part of our callings.

Not a single one identifies with a so-called sexual minority.

When you live out in a farm town and realize that males mate only with females, and that females no matter how hard they try can't be males nor the males, females, these issues simply do not happen.

I can't necessarily say the same for the other wards in my stake. The gay teachings and gender studies programs have started to penetrate the university level but most of the population laugh-reacts on FB telling the university to get a life and stop wasting money on such foolishness.

I suspect there will be a push for greater acceptance of LGBT+ people with an Ebrard or a Sheinbaum victory, which is the likely outcome of the 2024 elections in Mexico. Both are WEF acolytes. The main opposition candidate, Xochitl Galvez, likewise was a WEF YGL back in 2000 prior to being tapped by Vicente Fox as a cabinet member regarding indigenous peoples' rights.

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Subcomandante wrote: July 31st, 2023, 6:52 am I was recently called as Second Counselor in the Elder's Quorum Presidency in my ward. I've been looking up and down the list of all the people that are supposed to be under our care as part of our callings.

Not a single one identifies with a so-called sexual minority.

When you live out in a farm town and realize that males mate only with females, and that females no matter how hard they try can't be males nor the males, females, these issues simply do not happen.

I can't necessarily say the same for the other wards in my stake. The gay teachings and gender studies programs have started to penetrate the university level but most of the population laugh-reacts on FB telling the university to get a life and stop wasting money on such foolishness.

I suspect there will be a push for greater acceptance of LGBT+ people with an Ebrard or a Sheinbaum victory, which is the likely outcome of the 2024 elections in Mexico. Both are WEF acolytes. The main opposition candidate, Xochitl Galvez, likewise was a WEF YGL back in 2000 prior to being tapped by Vicente Fox as a cabinet member regarding indigenous peoples' rights.
This is the problem. No matter where we are, the slow creep is making its way across the world. I live in rural Idaho. Out where I live,ost people still have their heads on straight. The nearby town however it's share (more than its share) of rainbows. And it has started influence some of the women in my ward. The is purely internet spread by other members.

So to recap why is it in my rural area? 1. Internet 2. Mormons

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Re: 6 transgender youth... In one ward

Post by larsenb »

Lizzy60 wrote: March 28th, 2023, 3:21 pm
Lemarque wrote: March 28th, 2023, 2:49 pm
Dusty Wanderer wrote: March 2nd, 2023, 9:49 am "...would be the only thing that would get him to not have a testimony anymore"

I've heard these kind of statements, too. For many members a "testimony" is nothing more than agreement or "alignment" with the Church. Disaffection results in the abandonment of everything perceived as being associated with the Church.

The question I have with the OP's situation in the Church is how much is complicity vs attempted mitigation. Would it be growing within the Church if they had held a firmer position on it? ("If the Church is fine with it, then it must be okay.")

Or would there just be more people leaving as parent(s) encourage their children to fall into the jaws of Baal? (If this, I can see why the Church is taking some of its positions on the issue; though, I whole-heartedly disagree and think there may be more self-preservation and some vanity in it, rather than any hope that accommodation/acceptance will result in reversal/abolishment.)
The way my friend explained it is that essentially the only thing that the church exclusively offers is a promise of eternal families, and the sealing ordinance to enforce it. Plenty of other churches teach of Christ, but the eternal family has been the core 'plain and precious' truth that no one else offers an ordinance for.

If the church allows gay marriage, then the only legitimate offering the church isn't there anymore. A family is a man and a woman with potential for eternal increase. If you change that, for him at least, the church is saying the family isn't really anything concrete. Which removes the core of church doctrine.
The way the pro-LGBTQ members of the church explain this, is that a family of two married men or two married women, with or without children (adopted, surrogate, IVF) is as legitimate in God’s eyes as any other LDS married couple. No one in the church has said children are required here on earth to have an eternal family, and the eternal increase idea is so vague (on how that happens) that it really isn’t a selling point. It’s been eons since I’ve heard that only Mormons get to have sex in heaven.

I don’t agree with the pro-LGBTQ members, but they seem to be 100% convinced that a gay marriage can be as righteous, sacred, holy, and can endure into the eternities, equal in every way to traditional marriage.
They go off the rails in claiming God made them that way, and don't seem to have a clue about the role hormonal/endocrine disruptors, etc., may have played in short circuiting their natural development.

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Re: 6 transgender youth... In one ward

Post by tribrac »

Just thinking out loud here...

If Joseph Smith was warned about conspiring men using coffee and tobacco to harm people.

Why is there no current warning for all the foods and chemicals that harm people, or disrupt natural hormones?

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