I can hear the drums of war.

[Atrasado]

Our illegal bases in Syria are under heavy attack right now. I think that it was Iran, but Iran and Russia are tight. This could be interesting.

[Vision]

Well, war is effective for certain goals. (Not always victory/vanquishment).

Basically the octogenarians of the cabal will need to play a hand in some form that will drive most of the citizens in droves toward their proffered solution.

Then once there is a separation, their successors can conduct the mopping up operations removing the opposition and killing off the freedom fighters.

That series of movies basically showcased it, progressive liberals in the cities under the spell of the leaders, the outlying areas under military subjugation, existing to plow the fields, and milk the cows.

Mocking Jay…?? The girl good with the bow…??

My point being, some kind of well timed collapse will occur that will disorientate nearly everyone (even the elect). And since the citizens won’t be prepared to be self reliant, and be reeling from the loss of their lifetime savings, retirement funds, and any kind of market to liquidate fancy cars, second homes or even entice quality household goods, they will be of a mindset to be herded into the train cars and off to the camps.

Toughen up buttercup. Unless you read the Book of Mormon, with an inquirring mind, seeking to understand how circumstances in our day will affect us and our families, and have the attitude to be able to go against the grain of the Pooh-pooh’ers, we are gonna be on the beaten down sheep side of the equation.

Just ask yourself: do you want to be a sheepdog, a lion, or a sheeple… and prepare accordingly.

I recently rewatched the Hunger Games series, very prophetic. "There is only one thing greater than fear, HOPE" President Snow not the LDS President Snow Hunger Games President Snow. Imagine using that quote in a sacrament meeting talk without clarification.

[harakim]

I feel it's no longer a matter of if there will be a WW3 but a matter of when. Russia, China, NK and Iran are the new axis of evil, the prophesied army of Gog and Magog. With the amount of support Iran has given Russia for the Ukraine invasion, they will call in that debt at some point when they decide to attack Israel. China wants Taiwan as well. Biden is here in Canada today telling us to boost our defenses.

Iran will not attack Israel unprovoked. It's not going to happen.

Do you know about the the Twelfth Imam?

Unprovoked?
Lol

Iran will not attack first because Israel would make them a hole in the ground.

They'll wait, just like a scavenger... because they are the weaker tribe

I know about the Twelfth Imam.

The truth is that Israel wants to reclaim their biblically-allotted territory and they will use their subservient United States military do it. Same as Iraq.

[RosyPosy]

Our illegal bases in Syria are under heavy attack right now. I think that it was Iran, but Iran and Russia are tight. This could be interesting.

Syria has been at civil war for more than a decade now.

[harakim]

It blows my mind how folks defend Islam.

Their women are fing slaves....they will literally saw your head off for claiming Christ

I've never experienced that and neither have you. Perhaps you don't talk to them about Jesus, though? Perhaps you don't actually know any muslims? I would not expect this kind of warmongering out of you.

I have always found it interesting that most things people say about Iran are not true, but are true of Jews and Saudi Arabia, American allies. I've met with Saudi princes. Many of them don't really practice Islam. They do oppress women. Jews have historically hated Jesus (and many still want to rid the world of Christianity.) You won't actually find that in Iran. Muslims believe Jesus is the second prophet behind Mohammed. Hearing people repeat these lies is painful because it will lead to the very things (anti-Christiantiy and oppression) that people are speaking against. Who runs the anti-Christian media? Who was pushing the shots? Follow the leads and you'll realize Muslims and Christians are actually allies. Or you can keep with the Henry Kissinger, Benjamin Netanyahu, Madeline (killing 500,000 children is worth it) Albright philosophy.

You should try to talk to a muslim in real life some time.

The protocols mention that there will be a muslim christian war because they are allies and the only things standing in the way of a new world order, more or less - the last bastions of submission to God instead of man.

[harakim]

I feel it's no longer a matter of if there will be a WW3 but a matter of when. Russia, China, NK and Iran are the new axis of evil, the prophesied army of Gog and Magog. With the amount of support Iran has given Russia for the Ukraine invasion, they will call in that debt at some point when they decide to attack Israel. China wants Taiwan as well. Biden is here in Canada today telling us to boost our defenses.

Sorry Sunian, but Gog and Magog are the US and Isreal. They are the imperialist aggressors destabilizing the World.

Strange that Jesus comes back to those two nations before He comes in glory to the world

This is a false tradition.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

[nightlight]

Sorry Sunian, but Gog and Magog are the US and Isreal. They are the imperialist aggressors destabilizing the World.

Strange that Jesus comes back to those two nations before He comes in glory to the world

This is a false tradition.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Read Zechariah, 3rd Nephi, Daniel......etc

Lol you think Smith just made it up?

If you actually read the scriptures....it becomes clear that Jesus comes to His people before He comes to the world with fire .

It couldn't be a simultaneous event... the prophecies couldn't be fulfilled

[nightlight]

It blows my mind how folks defend Islam.

Their women are fing slaves....they will literally saw your head off for claiming Christ

I've never experienced that and neither have you. Perhaps you don't talk to them about Jesus, though? Perhaps you don't actually know any muslims? I would not expect this kind of warmongering out of you.

I have always found it interesting that most things people say about Iran are not true, but are true of Jews and Saudi Arabia, American allies. I've met with Saudi princes. Many of them don't really practice Islam. They do oppress women. Jews have historically hated Jesus (and many still want to rid the world of Christianity.) You won't actually find that in Iran. Muslims believe Jesus is the second prophet behind Mohammed. Hearing people repeat these lies is painful because it will lead to the very things (anti-Christiantiy and oppression) that people are speaking against. Who runs the anti-Christian media? Who was pushing the shots? Follow the leads and you'll realize Muslims and Christians are actually allies. Or you can keep with the Henry Kissinger, Benjamin Netanyahu, Madeline (killing 500,000 children is worth it) Albright philosophy.

You should try to talk to a muslim in real life some time.

The protocols mention that there will be a muslim christian war because they are allies and the only things standing in the way of a new world order, more or less - the last bastions of submission to God instead of man.

I actually spend time following underground christian movements in Islam, North Korea, China etc

You're simply wrong

[FrankOne]

sure they will just cram soldiers in containers and ship them over, then live off the land, you know, taking food from our plentiful rice paddies?

i'm not sure what is so absurd about 50,000 ships full of soldiers and 50,000 ships full of supplies. They run these ships everyday full of stuff that comes to the U.S. and other places. If the Chinese wanted to, they could easily outfit an army and ship them here.

Cram them into containers? eat off the rice paddies? huh? Putting just 1,000 men on 50,000 ships would bring 50 million soldiers.(if they have that many) Many container ships hold over 20,000 boxes. 1 guy in a box on a cushion with a bucket to crap in , some lime, and good food and he's good to go. (with an air hole). These ships could easily put a 1000 boxes on each with just enough room so the guys could even get out and walk around!

They are experts at filling containers with everything and expediting it. They do it everyday.

why the fallacious argument and sarcasm?

It just doesn't work that way my friend. It just doesn't. I've been deployed. It took many ships and thousands of containers worth of supplies to support a couple dozen fighter aircraft and crews for 3 weeks. Just look at the Ukraine, right next door and logistics is an issue. You don't put guys with guns in containers. Well, maybe 15 in total. but not a war. And when the first ones landed, the others would be sunk. Those container ships are top heavy, have you seen them? Have you seen what it takes to get access to all but the top row of containers? That is where I live, large ports: Seattle, Portland, Vancouver BC. It takes union folks and US/municipal cranes to unload them. They are stacked like crackers. Sealed tight. I could go on and on, but why? If you want to believe something then facts and realities will not get into the way. If they come in their containers, we'll beat them back with our horses and bikes. We have millions of horses to ride and bikes to get there. Just as useful in war as containers for people.

We had many more ships and only 40 miles to go in D-Day and it a major challenge.

thanks for that.
I think I can see the crux of our argument. I speculate, from reading dreams/visions that Russia and China will be invited to the U.S. to quell anarchy. From what you've said, you see it as a wartime scenario.

[larsenb]

It blows my mind how folks defend Islam.

Their women are fing slaves....they will literally saw your head off for claiming Christ

I've never experienced that and neither have you. Perhaps you don't talk to them about Jesus, though? Perhaps you don't actually know any muslims? I would not expect this kind of warmongering out of you.

I have always found it interesting that most things people say about Iran are not true, but are true of Jews and Saudi Arabia, American allies. I've met with Saudi princes. Many of them don't really practice Islam. They do oppress women. Jews have historically hated Jesus (and many still want to rid the world of Christianity.) You won't actually find that in Iran. Muslims believe Jesus is the second prophet behind Mohammed. Hearing people repeat these lies is painful because it will lead to the very things (anti-Christiantiy and oppression) that people are speaking against. Who runs the anti-Christian media? Who was pushing the shots? Follow the leads and you'll realize Muslims and Christians are actually allies. Or you can keep with the Henry Kissinger, Benjamin Netanyahu, Madeline (killing 500,000 children is worth it) Albright philosophy.

You should try to talk to a muslim in real life some time.

The protocols mention that there will be a muslim christian war because they are allies and the only things standing in the way of a new world order, more or less - the last bastions of submission to God instead of man.

I agree with this, and have very recently once again had the opportunity to visit a Muslim country, Oman to be exact. And again, I come away impressed with how open, intelligent and friendly they are and can be.

We had a sit down dinner (on the floor, with use of hands in bowls, optional) with members of a large family from the Dhofar region of Oman, and were entertained for over an hour by good give-and-take discourse from 4 members of that family, and it was dominated by the oldest daughter, who held forth most of the dinner about her views on this and that. She is of the Jubali tribes, and is the first woman of her tribe to drop the veil. She learned English while pregnant with her 2nd child, which is almost impeccable. Though they do not have a written language for their primary language, Jubalese, they do speak and write Arabic.

An interesting, though tragic item, was that they had lost their oldest brother a year ago, and one of the brothers told me he thought his taking the clot-shot is what killed him. The brother seemed to know all about this subject.

The fact that the Omanis don't subscribe to the Sunni or Shi'as Muslim sects, allows them to take a certain neutral stance from the conflicts between those two groups. It's a fascinating experience to wake up at 5:30 am every morning to the broadcast call to prayer, and equally fascinating and encouraging to see such a large group of people totally devoted to a faith-based religion, very much allied with Jewish/Christian precepts.

Is their oppression and persecution of Christians from certain Muslim-related groups? Unfortunately, yes. But from my perspective, Christians are more allied with Muslims, than not . . . . or should be.

[harakim]

It blows my mind how folks defend Islam.

Their women are fing slaves....they will literally saw your head off for claiming Christ

I've never experienced that and neither have you. Perhaps you don't talk to them about Jesus, though? Perhaps you don't actually know any muslims? I would not expect this kind of warmongering out of you.

I have always found it interesting that most things people say about Iran are not true, but are true of Jews and Saudi Arabia, American allies. I've met with Saudi princes. Many of them don't really practice Islam. They do oppress women. Jews have historically hated Jesus (and many still want to rid the world of Christianity.) You won't actually find that in Iran. Muslims believe Jesus is the second prophet behind Mohammed. Hearing people repeat these lies is painful because it will lead to the very things (anti-Christiantiy and oppression) that people are speaking against. Who runs the anti-Christian media? Who was pushing the shots? Follow the leads and you'll realize Muslims and Christians are actually allies. Or you can keep with the Henry Kissinger, Benjamin Netanyahu, Madeline (killing 500,000 children is worth it) Albright philosophy.

You should try to talk to a muslim in real life some time.

The protocols mention that there will be a muslim christian war because they are allies and the only things standing in the way of a new world order, more or less - the last bastions of submission to God instead of man.

I actually spend time following underground christian movements in Islam, North Korea, China etc

You're simply wrong

I imagine you spend a bit of time on this subject. However, I think to be precise, you probably spend your time reading filtered views on the subject.

I used to be the same way. I liked Bill Mahrer and others. I got my information filtered through other people. I got angry at the specific injustices I was presented with. At one point, I was even a socialist! I cringe at that now haha. Anyway, you should get your information first hand.
larsenb has shared his first hand information. He described the way they eat. It's a pretty big shock! When it comes to Middle Easterners, I have a lot of first hand information. I have been to the middle east. I have spent considerable time with people from there. Neither of us is trying to lead you astray. We are telling you what we know so you can explore that and learn about the world and focus on what's really important. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. There are battles to fight but we have to be careful not to fall victim to divide and conquer. You don't have to take our word for it. Humble yourself and pray and ask for yourself. If you really want to know the answer, it will come quickly.

As for the fact Jesus will appear to people before his second coming, that is accurate. Where there are two or three gathered in his name, he will be in the midst. He stands at the door and knocks. But his second coming will be like lightning. It's quite possible I'm interpreting it wrong.

[nightlight]

I've never experienced that and neither have you. Perhaps you don't talk to them about Jesus, though? Perhaps you don't actually know any muslims? I would not expect this kind of warmongering out of you.

I have always found it interesting that most things people say about Iran are not true, but are true of Jews and Saudi Arabia, American allies. I've met with Saudi princes. Many of them don't really practice Islam. They do oppress women. Jews have historically hated Jesus (and many still want to rid the world of Christianity.) You won't actually find that in Iran. Muslims believe Jesus is the second prophet behind Mohammed. Hearing people repeat these lies is painful because it will lead to the very things (anti-Christiantiy and oppression) that people are speaking against. Who runs the anti-Christian media? Who was pushing the shots? Follow the leads and you'll realize Muslims and Christians are actually allies. Or you can keep with the Henry Kissinger, Benjamin Netanyahu, Madeline (killing 500,000 children is worth it) Albright philosophy.

You should try to talk to a muslim in real life some time.

The protocols mention that there will be a muslim christian war because they are allies and the only things standing in the way of a new world order, more or less - the last bastions of submission to God instead of man.

I actually spend time following underground christian movements in Islam, North Korea, China etc

You're simply wrong

I imagine you spend a bit of time on this subject. However, I think to be precise, you probably spend your time reading filtered views on the subject.

I used to be the same way. I liked Bill Mahrer and others. I got my information filtered through other people. I got angry at the specific injustices I was presented with. At one point, I was even a socialist! I cringe at that now haha. Anyway, you should get your information first hand.
larsenb has shared his first hand information. He described the way they eat. It's a pretty big shock! When it comes to Middle Easterners, I have a lot of first hand information. I have been to the middle east. I have spent considerable time with people from there. Neither of us is trying to lead you astray. We are telling you what we know so you can explore that and learn about the world and focus on what's really important. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. There are battles to fight but we have to be careful not to fall victim to divide and conquer. You don't have to take our word for it. Humble yourself and pray and ask for yourself. If you really want to know the answer, it will come quickly.

As for the fact Jesus will appear to people before his second coming, that is accurate. Where there are two or three gathered in his name, he will be in the midst. He stands at the door and knocks. But his second coming will be like lightning. It's quite possible I'm interpreting it wrong.

I understand there are good Muslims.

I do not advocate war with Islam

But I don't believe these heathen nations have any right to the land Ephraim set up in 1948. I understand that hurts the progressive person's feelings....but it is what it is

Jesus's Great Commission is outlawed. It will get you killed. All the testimonies of persecution from muslim converts speak the exact opposite of the picture you paint

Go to the Middle East, advocate for Jesus.... Advocate for women's God given rights.
Experience reality......

[harakim]

I actually spend time following underground christian movements in Islam, North Korea, China etc

You're simply wrong

I imagine you spend a bit of time on this subject. However, I think to be precise, you probably spend your time reading filtered views on the subject.

I used to be the same way. I liked Bill Mahrer and others. I got my information filtered through other people. I got angry at the specific injustices I was presented with. At one point, I was even a socialist! I cringe at that now haha. Anyway, you should get your information first hand.
larsenb has shared his first hand information. He described the way they eat. It's a pretty big shock! When it comes to Middle Easterners, I have a lot of first hand information. I have been to the middle east. I have spent considerable time with people from there. Neither of us is trying to lead you astray. We are telling you what we know so you can explore that and learn about the world and focus on what's really important. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. There are battles to fight but we have to be careful not to fall victim to divide and conquer. You don't have to take our word for it. Humble yourself and pray and ask for yourself. If you really want to know the answer, it will come quickly.

As for the fact Jesus will appear to people before his second coming, that is accurate. Where there are two or three gathered in his name, he will be in the midst. He stands at the door and knocks. But his second coming will be like lightning. It's quite possible I'm interpreting it wrong.

I understand there are good Muslims.

I do not advocate war with Islam

But I don't believe these heathen nations have any right to the land Ephraim set up in 1948. I understand that hurts the progressive person's feelings....but it is what it is

Jesus's Great Commission is outlawed. It will get you killed. All the testimonies of persecution from muslim converts speak the exact opposite of the picture you paint

Go to the Middle East, advocate for Jesus.... Advocate for women's God given rights.
Experience reality......

I was friends with a woman in the middle east. We talked about a lot of things and she had a lot of complaints but she never brought up that she was oppressed and she had been to the United States for college, so she had a comparison. There isn't really a natural way to bring up women's oppression the same way there isn't a natural way here to bring up women's rights. Sometimes it comes up but most of the time it doesn't.

I did talk about Jesus while I was there. Everyone agreed with almost everything I said. I'm not really sure where your views on the middle east come from. It's definitely a more violent place. For example, in Egypt they don't have car insurance. They literally fight to determine who is at fault if they can't agree. So maybe you see the general violence as specific to being used against Christianity? Where do your beliefs come from?

[larsenb]

Our illegal bases in Syria are under heavy attack right now. I think that it was Iran, but Iran and Russia are tight. This could be interesting.

Syria has been at civil war for more than a decade now.

Which has been fueled by us, the U.S.

We allegedly were supporting a benign faction which was simply aimed at removing the alleged 'brutal' dictator, Assad . . . who happens to be a medical doctor and an ophthalmologist. So we were supporting this group, while opposing ISIS type rebels. However, independent observers in Syria (Tulsi Gabbard among them) have noted that most of our support was actually going to the ISIS groups, and there really wasn't much difference between the two groups in the first place.

Assad's big no, no, was going against perpetrators of the Arab Spring in Syria, 2011; and the allegations of chemical attacks against his own citizens are ludicrous, in my studied view.

Then there is the whole fiasco of the high probability that our Ambassador in Libya was taken out because his funneling arms to Syrian rebels was outed, and they needed to keep the whole thing under wraps.

[nightlight]

I imagine you spend a bit of time on this subject. However, I think to be precise, you probably spend your time reading filtered views on the subject.

I used to be the same way. I liked Bill Mahrer and others. I got my information filtered through other people. I got angry at the specific injustices I was presented with. At one point, I was even a socialist! I cringe at that now haha. Anyway, you should get your information first hand.
larsenb has shared his first hand information. He described the way they eat. It's a pretty big shock! When it comes to Middle Easterners, I have a lot of first hand information. I have been to the middle east. I have spent considerable time with people from there. Neither of us is trying to lead you astray. We are telling you what we know so you can explore that and learn about the world and focus on what's really important. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. There are battles to fight but we have to be careful not to fall victim to divide and conquer. You don't have to take our word for it. Humble yourself and pray and ask for yourself. If you really want to know the answer, it will come quickly.

As for the fact Jesus will appear to people before his second coming, that is accurate. Where there are two or three gathered in his name, he will be in the midst. He stands at the door and knocks. But his second coming will be like lightning. It's quite possible I'm interpreting it wrong.

I understand there are good Muslims.

I do not advocate war with Islam

But I don't believe these heathen nations have any right to the land Ephraim set up in 1948. I understand that hurts the progressive person's feelings....but it is what it is

Jesus's Great Commission is outlawed. It will get you killed. All the testimonies of persecution from muslim converts speak the exact opposite of the picture you paint

Go to the Middle East, advocate for Jesus.... Advocate for women's God given rights.
Experience reality......

I was friends with a woman in the middle east. We talked about a lot of things and she had a lot of complaints but she never brought up that she was oppressed and she had been to the United States for college, so she had a comparison. There isn't really a natural way to bring up women's oppression the same way there isn't a natural way here to bring up women's rights. Sometimes it comes up but most of the time it doesn't.

I did talk about Jesus while I was there. Everyone agreed with almost everything I said. I'm not really sure where your views on the middle east come from. It's definitely a more violent place. For example, in Egypt they don't have car insurance. They literally fight to determine who is at fault if they can't agree. So maybe you see the general violence as specific to being used against Christianity? Where do your beliefs come from?

Around 90% of Muslim women in Egypt have undergone female genital mutilation.....so there's that. Men cut off little girls clitoris
People who are born into a certain way of life often aren't aware of the chains of that shackle them.

If you don't understand there's widespread persecution of Christians in the Middle East.....you simply are ignorant of the world we live in.
There's hundreds and hundreds of testimonies online. First hand accounts from people who live/lived there

Because you know somebody who lives there, that somehow trumps the person who also lives there uploading a video claiming that they are being persecuted, and everybody is turning a blind eye.

You think I'm reading Christian propaganda, with paid actors playing the part of the victimized Christian?

Nonsense

[harakim]

I understand there are good Muslims.

I do not advocate war with Islam

But I don't believe these heathen nations have any right to the land Ephraim set up in 1948. I understand that hurts the progressive person's feelings....but it is what it is

Jesus's Great Commission is outlawed. It will get you killed. All the testimonies of persecution from muslim converts speak the exact opposite of the picture you paint

Go to the Middle East, advocate for Jesus.... Advocate for women's God given rights.
Experience reality......

I was friends with a woman in the middle east. We talked about a lot of things and she had a lot of complaints but she never brought up that she was oppressed and she had been to the United States for college, so she had a comparison. There isn't really a natural way to bring up women's oppression the same way there isn't a natural way here to bring up women's rights. Sometimes it comes up but most of the time it doesn't.

I did talk about Jesus while I was there. Everyone agreed with almost everything I said. I'm not really sure where your views on the middle east come from. It's definitely a more violent place. For example, in Egypt they don't have car insurance. They literally fight to determine who is at fault if they can't agree. So maybe you see the general violence as specific to being used against Christianity? Where do your beliefs come from?

Around 90% of Muslim women in Egypt have undergone female genital mutilation.....so there's that. Men cut off little girls clitoris
People who are born into a certain way of life often aren't aware of the chains of that shackle them.

If you don't understand there's widespread persecution of Christians in the Middle East.....you simply are ignorant of the world we live in.
There's hundreds and hundreds of testimonies online. First hand accounts from people who live/lived there

Because you know somebody who lives there, that somehow trumps the person who also lives there uploading a video claiming that they are being persecuted, and everybody is turning a blind eye.

You think I'm reading Christian propaganda, with paid actors playing the part of the victimized Christian?

Nonsense

My argument is not that persecution does not go on in the Middle East. It definitely does. My argument is filtering out all the good and only focusing on the bad in a culture is not a good way to view a culture. I have personally experienced setbacks in my life due to Christian persecution. If you focused only on those stories, you could think the United States culture is primarily focused on persecuting Christians. Or black people, or women or other categories. If you look online, or work with foreigners who haven't been here, you will see that a lot of foreigners have that very view. They think that the United States is a racist backwater where you wake up each morning wondering if it's finally your day to get shot. Strangely, even some people in the US have that view. You have to take the whole culture into account. In a country of 330 million or 110 million, there are going to be a lot of acts of violence and a lot of persecutors.

As for the female genital mutilation, you might be right. I haven't done a lot of research on it. I am against all involuntary body mutilation. I don't think that's a choice that should be taken from people. I was subjected to genital mutilation when I was born. I am not a woman and I don't know enough to comment specifically on female genital mutilation as it is practiced in Egypt, if there is consistency in how it is practiced in that culture. It is wrong.

The answer is not to hate or bomb people. We should be using persuasion, patience, long-suffering and all in a spirit of love.