Nelson’s Legacy

[Fred]

Is there a link or post about this? Are you saying he directly said this or since he didn't suggest it he was opposed to it? I wonder why the church didn't rely on healing with the priesthood but I'd be interested to see if he actually said NOT to do it.
- Instructing priesthood holders NOT to heal or administer to the sick

I know for a fact that missionaries were specifically told not to administer to any H1N1 victims. They were under strict ORDERS to leave immediately and not even be around. This was not RMN. But it was official church policy.

That's like Jesus being afraid to catch whatever ailment he healed people of. A total 100% lack of faith.

Missionaries are allowed/encouraged to heal -> parents of missionaries who contract Covid get mad, blame the leaders (that never happens, right?), apostatize, and sue the Church for not not allowing their missionary children to do so.

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

[InfoWarrior82]

Is there a link or post about this? Are you saying he directly said this or since he didn't suggest it he was opposed to it? I wonder why the church didn't rely on healing with the priesthood but I'd be interested to see if he actually said NOT to do it.
- Instructing priesthood holders NOT to heal or administer to the sick

If a missionary is asked to provide a blessing to someone who has coronavirus symptoms, should the missionary give the blessing?

“No. Missionaries should not visit people who have tested positive for, exhibit symptoms of, or have been in contact with someone infected with COVID-19. They may minister to them via technology and pray for them.”

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/chu ... h?lang=eng

If you are a lurking TBM reading this, you need nothing more than this to realize that these men are not prophets, seers, and revelators. No matter what happened to them when they had hands laid on their heads, this overrides it all.

Jesus Christ said "you will know them by their fruits."

He did not say "you will know them by their ordinations".

[Light Seeker]

I know for a fact that missionaries were specifically told not to administer to any H1N1 victims. They were under strict ORDERS to leave immediately and not even be around. This was not RMN. But it was official church policy.

That's like Jesus being afraid to catch whatever ailment he healed people of. A total 100% lack of faith.

Missionaries are allowed/encouraged to heal -> parents of missionaries who contract Covid get mad, blame the leaders (that never happens, right?), apostatize, and sue the Church for not not allowing their missionary children to do so.

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

You big meanie...

Didn't we just have a thread about this....

You are not allowed to call out untruth....

You are only allowed to whine about being a victim....

[Fred]

Missionaries are allowed/encouraged to heal -> parents of missionaries who contract Covid get mad, blame the leaders (that never happens, right?), apostatize, and sue the Church for not not allowing their missionary children to do so.

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

You big meanie...

Didn't we just have a thread about this....

You are not allowed to call out untruth....

You are only allowed to whine about being a victim....

Was it attempted murder to refuse a blessing to someone that had already been diagnosed to die? If so, how far up the chain of command does the charge go? Perhaps to the prick that issued the order?

Since a blessing was what saved the child, refusing such is similar to refusing air to a person choking. Yes?

I imagine that you are joking. However, when the people that claim to be the sole mouthpiece for the Almighty God are actually killing people, perhaps their titles should be changed to murderer and/or accomplice to murder.

I am convinced that promoting the covid shot is attempted murder. Particularly, when it is a doctor that should know better that is doing the killing.

[Light Seeker]

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

You big meanie...

Didn't we just have a thread about this....

You are not allowed to call out untruth....

You are only allowed to whine about being a victim....

Was it attempted murder to refuse a blessing to someone that had already been diagnosed to die? If so, how far up the chain of command does the charge go? Perhaps to the prick that issued the order?

Since a blessing was what saved the child, refusing such is similar to refusing air to a person choking. Yes?

I imagine that you are joking. However, when the people that claim to be the sole mouthpiece for the Almighty God are actually killing people, perhaps their titles should be changed to murderer and/or accomplice to murder.

I am convinced that promoting the covid shot is attempted murder. Particularly, when it is a doctor that should know better that is doing the killing.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Just drawing the correlation that some will lose the truth in taking the message to be harsh. I personally do not feel that way. I appreciate the candor.

[EmmaLee]

I know for a fact that missionaries were specifically told not to administer to any H1N1 victims. They were under strict ORDERS to leave immediately and not even be around. This was not RMN. But it was official church policy.

That's like Jesus being afraid to catch whatever ailment he healed people of. A total 100% lack of faith.

Missionaries are allowed/encouraged to heal -> parents of missionaries who contract Covid get mad, blame the leaders (that never happens, right?), apostatize, and sue the Church for not not allowing their missionary children to do so.

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

You are absolutely correct, Fred. This was law in our stake (Midwestern U.S.), which I posted about during the height of the scamdemic. Our stake president sent an email to everyone in the stake, saying NO ONE, not just the missionaries, but NO ONE, was "allowed" to go into anyone's homes for ANY reason, unless it was a family member - to give a blessing or anything else. He literally banned our stake members from going into each other's homes (and of course, the church buildings were locked up for months on end for two years). We emailed him back and asked him where this directive came from - he said the Area Seventy's. We asked where they got their directive from - he said Church HQ. We also asked him where is faith? What point is the priesthood? etc. which questions he did not respond to.

So yes, you are right, Fred. Missionaries (and everyone else in our stake) were banned from giving blessings to anyone - not just people who had "covid". I also shared the story of when a woman in our ward became violently ill (not with "covid" - she had kidney and other issues), and literally couldn't get out of bed to get water (older single woman, lived alone, no family nearby). Nobody would go give her a blessing or help her. It was one of the saddest, most disgusting things I've ever seen in the Lord's supposed church. So, even though we aren't her "ministers" (and to this day, I have no idea why she messaged me instead of her assigned "ministers" or the RS president, etc., as we hardly knew each other), my husband and our young adult son, who is also in our ward, defied the idiotic and evil edict from Church HQ (i.e. Nelson), and went to give her a blessing and take her some groceries, and make sure she had what she needed (thankfully, she did get better, and has now moved to another state to live with her daughter). Word got out, and we had people from church we hadn't even ever met (because of not being at church for almost two years, due to the CHURCH closing down - other churches in our town never did close down, as we live in one of the few states that never had a lock-down order from the governor) calling my husband to come give them a blessing, which he was happy to do, of course.

What a thing. Still shaking my head about it.

[Fred]

Missionaries are allowed/encouraged to heal -> parents of missionaries who contract Covid get mad, blame the leaders (that never happens, right?), apostatize, and sue the Church for not not allowing their missionary children to do so.

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

You are absolutely correct, Fred. This was law in our stake (Midwestern U.S.), which I posted about during the height of the scamdemic. Our stake president sent an email to everyone in the stake, saying NO ONE, not just the missionaries, but NO ONE, was "allowed" to go into anyone's homes for ANY reason, unless it was a family member - to give a blessing or anything else. He literally banned our stake members from going into each other's homes (and of course, the church buildings were locked up for months on end for two years). We emailed him back and asked him where this directive came from - he said the Area Seventy's. We asked where they got their directive from - he said Church HQ. We also asked him where is faith? What point is the priesthood? etc. which questions he did not respond to.

So yes, you are right, Fred. Missionaries (and everyone else in our stake) were banned from giving blessings to anyone - not just people who had "covid". I also shared the story of when a woman in our ward became violently ill (not with "covid" - she had kidney and other issues), and literally couldn't get out of bed to get water (older single woman, lived alone, no family nearby). Nobody would go give her a blessing or help her. It was one of the saddest, most disgusting things I've ever seen in the Lord's supposed church. So, even though we aren't her "ministers" (and to this day, I have no idea why she messaged me instead of her assigned "ministers" or the RS president, etc., as we hardly knew each other), my husband and our young adult son, who is also in our ward, defied the idiotic and evil edict from Church HQ (i.e. Nelson), and went to give her a blessing and take her some groceries, and make sure she had what she needed (thankfully, she did get better, and has now moved to another state to live with her daughter). Word got out, and we had people from church we hadn't even ever met (because of not being at church for almost two years, due to the CHURCH closing down - other churches in our town never did close down, as we live in one of the few states that never had a lock-down order from the governor) calling my husband to come give them a blessing, which he was happy to do, of course.

What a thing. Still shaking my head about it.

Thank you for responding. Hopefully, Brian does not think my sticking to truth was an attack. It is just so obviously not true. I had to set the record straight. It is incredible that people actually believe that missionaries are allowed to give blessings.

BTW, I am sure you will be blessed for helping your neighbors. Shutting people out was not the Christlike thing for the church to do.

[captainfearnot]

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

Calm down buddy. I think you may have misread JohnnyL's post. I read it as a hypothetical.

The little arrow indicates "if" this were to happen "then" this would be the result.

He's saying IF the church had allowed or encouraged missionaries to administer to those with COVID, THEN the parents of any such missionaries that contracted the disease would have been up in arms against the leadership. He's not describing what actually happened, but what the church feared would happen, and thus the rationale behind the policy of not allowing missionaries to go anywhere near people with COVID.

Admittedly, he could have been clearer about the fact that he was describing a hypothetical situation, if in fact he was.

JohnnyL, care to help us out? Is that what you meant?

[Fred]

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

Calm down buddy. I think you may have misread JohnnyL's post. I read it as a hypothetical.

The little arrow indicates "if" this were to happen "then" this would be the result.

He's saying IF the church had allowed or encouraged missionaries to administer to those with COVID, THEN the parents of any such missionaries that contracted the disease would have been up in arms against the leadership. He's not describing what actually happened, but what the church feared would happen, and thus the rationale behind the policy of not allowing missionaries to go anywhere near people with COVID.

Admittedly, he could have been clearer about the fact that he was describing a hypothetical situation, if in fact he was.

JohnnyL, care to help us out? Is that what you meant?

Here is a hypothetical for you:

Being a physician, RMN knew full well that a healthy immune system only laughs at a corona virus. He also knew with 100% certainty that any attempt at a shot would be a total farce as corona virus mutate and that is why no flu shot has ever worked. But he also knew that he had signed on to satan's plan to control the people, remove all freedoms, and create a one world government with satan on the throne. So, even though there was no government mandates and the Governor of Utah is in his pocket, and state's rights rule over federal illegal emergencies, anyway, he decided to close church and temples and tell people to be sure and stay inside so they wouldn't get any direct sunlight as it kills covid on contact. He then issued mandates to all Bishops and Stake Presidents that no discussion of truth would be tolerated. Members should wear masks even though there was no legitimate reason to do so. He hoped that this would cause some children to die. He had promised satan that he would cause many to die. So then, being the worthless POS that he is, he ordered that no missionary could heal in the name of Jesus Christ. He ordered all members to stay home and let old people die.

[Seed Starter]

If a missionary is asked to provide a blessing to someone who has coronavirus symptoms, should the missionary give the blessing?

“No. Missionaries should not visit people who have tested positive for, exhibit symptoms of, or have been in contact with someone infected with COVID-19. They may minister to them via technology and pray for them.”

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/chu ... h?lang=eng

SAD! It is exactly as was mentioned. Don't try to do as Jesus did. This is tragic as well:

"Members of the Church are grateful for the laws of many nations around the world that protect religious freedom and respect the sacred freedom of conscience.

The Church teaches that its members should sustain and uphold the laws where they reside. These governments enact such laws as in their own judgments are best calculated to secure the public interest. We acknowledge that in exceptional circumstances all individual rights may be reasonably restricted, for a time to protect the safety of the general public.

In times of pandemic or natural disaster the Church will respond to official orders to take needed actions such as cancelling or postponing meetings or other gatherings. The Church and its members are committed to being good citizens and good neighbors. The Church has a long history of reaching out and providing assistance to those in need.

Along with our commitment to be good global citizens, we respectfully assert that reasonable accommodations be extended to all people of faith as they strive to participate in rites, that are foundational to their faith."

I'm sure this has been posted here before but this is gross. Have they even heard of the US constitution or God given rights? We already have something in place to protect our rights. It never said "if there's a pandemic" this becomes null and void. What is "the public interest"? Who decides what the public interest is? I am a member of this church and I AM NOT committed to being a good global citizen because I know exactly what that means. Global citizens have 17 God's and no other God comes before them.

I'm pretty sure that the Church is knowledgeable about the US Constitution. Its own scriptures call it inspired!

However, about 60 percent (if not slightly more) of the population of the Church live in lands that are outside the United States' current jurisdiction. Any constitutional protections end as soon as you cross the oceans, or the Rio Grande, or the 49th parallel, as you become under their local governments' jurisdictions, several of which do not have the same protections and guarantees offered by the American constitution.

One criticism that I DO have about the Church's response to the pandemic is that they should have decentralized the response, like they had been doing in the first couple of months of the pandemic. Long before we started to get coronavirus cases in the United States and the resultant lockdowns, they were already suffering in Asia. There the local leaders got into touch with the general leaders and recommendations were made to shut down Church services and the temples wherever there were hot spots. Some temples got hit, others did not. But once we started to see more cases in the United States, then the Church instituted a top-down approach shutting down meetings and temples all over the world, even in areas where there were ZERO cases of coronavirus.

As the coronavirus pandemic got worse around the world, some governments prohibited people even from visiting other people in their own homes, or telling people they could only drive a certain distance from their home every day. In those cases, the Church was right to tell the priesthood holders NOT to give blessings as they (as well as the Church locally) could get into legal troubles in those areas. But this should NEVER have been instituted as a generalized blanket ban.

Is it right to tell an individual not to break the law and risk a fine or imprisonment in order to save another's life? As I'm sure you know history has many cases of law-breakers doing so to save lives. Do you think God approves of placing strict observance of man's law over life itself? If the church directs members they are just as guilty as those who refuse to act. Imagine watching your child die because your neighbor doesn't want to spend 30 days in jail or pay a $1000 fine or because the church said no blessings. Unless the blessing thing is just mythology which I don't think it is we should help even when there is risk involved. Do you really think "the Church was right to tell the priesthood holders NOT to give blessings" in any case (blanket ban or decentralized response)?

[HVDC]

Let me think...

No.

Sir H

[JohnnyL]

I know for a fact that missionaries were specifically told not to administer to any H1N1 victims. They were under strict ORDERS to leave immediately and not even be around. This was not RMN. But it was official church policy.

That's like Jesus being afraid to catch whatever ailment he healed people of. A total 100% lack of faith.

Missionaries are allowed/encouraged to heal -> parents of missionaries who contract Covid get mad, blame the leaders (that never happens, right?), apostatize, and sue the Church for not not allowing their missionary children to do so.

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

Ha ha, you are so hot you can't even read right.
Read it again and try to understand, Fred.

[Fred]

Missionaries are allowed/encouraged to heal -> parents of missionaries who contract Covid get mad, blame the leaders (that never happens, right?), apostatize, and sue the Church for not not allowing their missionary children to do so.

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

Ha ha, you are so hot you can't even read right.
Read it again and try to understand, Fred.

What you wrote is not even a good joke. No one has ever sued the church for not letting a missionary perform a blessing. Besides, Bednar preaches the faith to NOT be healed. Not only that, but the suit would be to Big Pharma for making a fake shot if a missionary caught covid, except for the immunity they have. Nothing in your comment even makes sense.

[Subcomandante]

SAD! It is exactly as was mentioned. Don't try to do as Jesus did. This is tragic as well:

"Members of the Church are grateful for the laws of many nations around the world that protect religious freedom and respect the sacred freedom of conscience.

The Church teaches that its members should sustain and uphold the laws where they reside. These governments enact such laws as in their own judgments are best calculated to secure the public interest. We acknowledge that in exceptional circumstances all individual rights may be reasonably restricted, for a time to protect the safety of the general public.

In times of pandemic or natural disaster the Church will respond to official orders to take needed actions such as cancelling or postponing meetings or other gatherings. The Church and its members are committed to being good citizens and good neighbors. The Church has a long history of reaching out and providing assistance to those in need.

Along with our commitment to be good global citizens, we respectfully assert that reasonable accommodations be extended to all people of faith as they strive to participate in rites, that are foundational to their faith."

I'm sure this has been posted here before but this is gross. Have they even heard of the US constitution or God given rights? We already have something in place to protect our rights. It never said "if there's a pandemic" this becomes null and void. What is "the public interest"? Who decides what the public interest is? I am a member of this church and I AM NOT committed to being a good global citizen because I know exactly what that means. Global citizens have 17 God's and no other God comes before them.

I'm pretty sure that the Church is knowledgeable about the US Constitution. Its own scriptures call it inspired!

However, about 60 percent (if not slightly more) of the population of the Church live in lands that are outside the United States' current jurisdiction. Any constitutional protections end as soon as you cross the oceans, or the Rio Grande, or the 49th parallel, as you become under their local governments' jurisdictions, several of which do not have the same protections and guarantees offered by the American constitution.

One criticism that I DO have about the Church's response to the pandemic is that they should have decentralized the response, like they had been doing in the first couple of months of the pandemic. Long before we started to get coronavirus cases in the United States and the resultant lockdowns, they were already suffering in Asia. There the local leaders got into touch with the general leaders and recommendations were made to shut down Church services and the temples wherever there were hot spots. Some temples got hit, others did not. But once we started to see more cases in the United States, then the Church instituted a top-down approach shutting down meetings and temples all over the world, even in areas where there were ZERO cases of coronavirus.

As the coronavirus pandemic got worse around the world, some governments prohibited people even from visiting other people in their own homes, or telling people they could only drive a certain distance from their home every day. In those cases, the Church was right to tell the priesthood holders NOT to give blessings as they (as well as the Church locally) could get into legal troubles in those areas. But this should NEVER have been instituted as a generalized blanket ban.

Is it right to tell an individual not to break the law and risk a fine or imprisonment in order to save another's life? As I'm sure you know history has many cases of law-breakers doing so to save lives. Do you think God approves of placing strict observance of man's law over life itself? If the church directs members they are just as guilty as those who refuse to act. Imagine watching your child die because your neighbor doesn't want to spend 30 days in jail or pay a $1000 fine or because the church said no blessings. Unless the blessing thing is just mythology which I don't think it is we should help even when there is risk involved. Do you really think "the Church was right to tell the priesthood holders NOT to give blessings" in any case (blanket ban or decentralized response)?

I bring to mind the response of the people of Alma when they were facing severe persecution brought on by Amulon and his followers. Amulon commanded the people NOT to pray because if they were caught praying, they would be put to death.

With the people under duress as much as they were (and there were martyrs among them doubtlessly), they still prayed within their hearts until the Lord lightened their burdens and then gave them an escape route. They had to wait on the Lord.

The other example, frequently cited, is that of Shadrack, Meshach, and Abed-nego when they lifted the Biblical equivalent of a double bird in Nebuchadnezzar's face, causing them to be thrown into the fire. A fire so intense, that those that put them in the fire to begin with lost their lives. Shadrack, Meshach, and Abed-nego, despite their very different response, waited on the Lord ultimately, because they even told the king, if God would not save them, then they would testify against the king anyway saying that they would never bow down and worship him.

What do we learn from both stories? We wait on the Lord to set things right, with patience and longsuffering. You pray for the leaders, and you even pray for your adversaries. You thank the Lord for the good times, as well as the challenging times. You ask Him the best way to proceed in the circumstances that are given you.

That is why the Lord can sometimes give different answers to different people. To some, he counseled them to get the shots. To others, he counseled NOT to get the shots. Either way, a way is prepared for people to do the things the Lord commands.

[Being There]

Missionaries are allowed/encouraged to heal -> parents of missionaries who contract Covid get mad, blame the leaders (that never happens, right?), apostatize, and sue the Church for not not allowing their missionary children to do so.

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

Ha ha, you are so hot you can't even read right.
Read it again and try to understand, Fred.

JohnnyL -
lay off the Sunday School.
I think you've done enough LSD;
or is it LDS, for a life time.

[Niemand]

JohnnyL -
lay off the Sunday School.
I think you've done enough LSD;
or is it LDS, for a life time.

[pho·to·syn·the·sis]

This was law in our stake (Midwestern U.S.), which I posted about during the height of the scamdemic. Our stake president sent an email to everyone in the stake, saying NO ONE, not just the missionaries, but NO ONE, was "allowed" to go into anyone's homes for ANY reason, unless it was a family member - to give a blessing or anything else. He literally banned our stake members from going into each other's homes (and of course, the church buildings were locked up for months on end for two years). We emailed him back and asked him where this directive came from - he said the Area Seventy's. We asked where they got their directive from - he said Church HQ

This is interesting. I live in the upper Midwest, North Dakota. I was serving as a Branch President during the entire plandemic. I never remember any directive forbidding going into peoples houses. I also don’t know how a SP would enforce such measures. I was quite outspoken in Stake meetings, regarding the “Church’s “ policies. I’m not saying your Stake didn’t receive this directive. But I never saw it, or perhaps selectively ignored it. I’ll see if I have my emails archived from SP.

[EmmaLee]

This was law in our stake (Midwestern U.S.), which I posted about during the height of the scamdemic. Our stake president sent an email to everyone in the stake, saying NO ONE, not just the missionaries, but NO ONE, was "allowed" to go into anyone's homes for ANY reason, unless it was a family member - to give a blessing or anything else. He literally banned our stake members from going into each other's homes (and of course, the church buildings were locked up for months on end for two years). We emailed him back and asked him where this directive came from - he said the Area Seventy's. We asked where they got their directive from - he said Church HQ

This is interesting. I live in the upper Midwest, North Dakota. I was serving as a Branch President during the entire plandemic. I never remember any directive forbidding going into peoples houses. I also don’t know how a SP would enforce such measures. I was quite outspoken in Stake meetings, regarding the “Church’s “ policies. I’m not saying your Stake didn’t receive this directive. But I never saw it, or perhaps selectively ignored it. I’ll see if I have my emails archived from SP.

Don't know what to tell you. I can give you our stake president's phone number, if you want to call him. As to how he would enforce such measures - that's super easy - like I said, he sent out an email telling the members to not go into each other's homes (unless they were members of your family). Not sure about Mormons in your area, but here in this state, if they're active in the church, they're very obedient to their fleshly leaders, whose word is law. They'd already closed all our churches down for months, even though our state was never in "lock down" during any time of the scamdemic (thank God for a sane governor) - so Mormons, unlike other faiths that never closed their churches here, were used to not seeing each other, so him telling us all to stay home and not go into each other's houses was entirely accepted without question. We still have people wearing masks at church, three years later - and the vast majority kept wearing them "until they saw Nelson's bare face" (quote marks, because that's the reason they gave). As for our stake president, he was 100% fully invested in the scamdemic - sent weekly emails to the members telling them to wear masks, stay home, take it all very seriously, etc. etc. etc. To this day, neither my husband nor I know of anyone who supposedly died "of covid" in our stake, yet with the way our stake presidency reacted to it, you'd think 1/2 our stake members were dead and dying (but both of his counselors are flaming libtards, and the stake president is much younger than either of them, so that may explain a few things).

So anyway, believe what you want, no matter to me. For all I know, the stake president made it up himself, and it wasn't something the Area Presidency put out. How would we ever know? This was our situation though, sad as it was.

[JohnnyL]

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

Calm down buddy. I think you may have misread JohnnyL's post. I read it as a hypothetical.

The little arrow indicates "if" this were to happen "then" this would be the result.

He's saying IF the church had allowed or encouraged missionaries to administer to those with COVID, THEN the parents of any such missionaries that contracted the disease would have been up in arms against the leadership. He's not describing what actually happened, but what the church feared would happen, and thus the rationale behind the policy of not allowing missionaries to go anywhere near people with COVID.

Admittedly, he could have been clearer about the fact that he was describing a hypothetical situation, if in fact he was.

JohnnyL, care to help us out? Is that what you meant?

You nailed it.

[JohnnyL]

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

Calm down buddy. I think you may have misread JohnnyL's post. I read it as a hypothetical.

The little arrow indicates "if" this were to happen "then" this would be the result.

He's saying IF the church had allowed or encouraged missionaries to administer to those with COVID, THEN the parents of any such missionaries that contracted the disease would have been up in arms against the leadership. He's not describing what actually happened, but what the church feared would happen, and thus the rationale behind the policy of not allowing missionaries to go anywhere near people with COVID.

Admittedly, he could have been clearer about the fact that he was describing a hypothetical situation, if in fact he was.

JohnnyL, care to help us out? Is that what you meant?

Here is a hypothetical for you:

Being a physician, RMN knew full well that a healthy immune system only laughs at a corona virus. He also knew with 100% certainty that any attempt at a shot would be a total farce as corona virus mutate and that is why no flu shot has ever worked. But he also knew that he had signed on to satan's plan to control the people, remove all freedoms, and create a one world government with satan on the throne. So, even though there was no government mandates and the Governor of Utah is in his pocket, and state's rights rule over federal illegal emergencies, anyway, he decided to close church and temples and tell people to be sure and stay inside so they wouldn't get any direct sunlight as it kills covid on contact. He then issued mandates to all Bishops and Stake Presidents that no discussion of truth would be tolerated. Members should wear masks even though there was no legitimate reason to do so. He hoped that this would cause some children to die. He had promised satan that he would cause many to die. So then, being the worthless POS that he is, he ordered that no missionary could heal in the name of Jesus Christ. He ordered all members to stay home and let old people die.

SMH.
Anyway, you're giving doctors, especially Dr. Nelson, much more credit than he and the vast majority deserve. 98% are fully on the vaccine train, and 1% are "maybe".

[JohnnyL]

You are 100% WRONG!
There is NO truth in your statement.

I know for a FACT that missionaries were under strict ORDERS to NOT administer to any H1N1 victim. Anyone saying otherwise is a satanic liar of enormous proportions.

You are either a LIAR or incredibly uninformed and simply talking out your arse.

This is not a matter of opinion or up for debate. You are simply totally wrong!

I suggest that you call the fraud RMN and ask him. Perhaps he is a liar also. If he states that missionaries were allowed to administer to H1N1 then he is not only a liar but an evil dedicated disciple of satan that should rot in hell for eternity.

Ha ha, you are so hot you can't even read right.
Read it again and try to understand, Fred.

What you wrote is not even a good joke. No one has ever sued the church for not letting a missionary perform a blessing. Besides, Bednar preaches the faith to NOT be healed. Not only that, but the suit would be to Big Pharma for making a fake shot if a missionary caught covid, except for the immunity they have. Nothing in your comment even makes sense.

Dear All-Knowing-Fred,
Believe me, there are many things you don't know about the Church and its leaders being sued. That includes for suicides, injuries during Church activities (one that made the news--a very large young woman fell off a zip line and got injured), mental problems missionaries showed on a mission (didn't matter if they had manifested before the mission), mission presidents using non-Western medicine for healing, mission presidents using Western-medicine healing when it wasn't top-US standards, and a whole lot more.

I guarantee that if a missionary had gotten covid and especially had died or had long-term negative conditions from giving someone a blessing, the potential for a lawsuit would have been very high. Whoops, that's multiple lawsuits, with multiple defendants, including mission president, area leaders, and on up, for damages in the millions and some other form of responsibility.
Even if the parents had known and been silent and it had happened.

Not as naive as I used to be...

[Niemand]

Gandhi.
King.
Mandela.
Nelson.

All men who received the praise of the world, while privately living in such a manner that the people closest to them, particularly the women closest to them, mourned.

It’s fitting. Exactly the club he deserves to join.

In Nelson Mandela's case, it was more the other way round. Winnie Mandela was much worse than him.

[Serragon]

This was law in our stake (Midwestern U.S.), which I posted about during the height of the scamdemic. Our stake president sent an email to everyone in the stake, saying NO ONE, not just the missionaries, but NO ONE, was "allowed" to go into anyone's homes for ANY reason, unless it was a family member - to give a blessing or anything else. He literally banned our stake members from going into each other's homes (and of course, the church buildings were locked up for months on end for two years). We emailed him back and asked him where this directive came from - he said the Area Seventy's. We asked where they got their directive from - he said Church HQ

This is interesting. I live in the upper Midwest, North Dakota. I was serving as a Branch President during the entire plandemic. I never remember any directive forbidding going into peoples houses. I also don’t know how a SP would enforce such measures. I was quite outspoken in Stake meetings, regarding the “Church’s “ policies. I’m not saying your Stake didn’t receive this directive. But I never saw it, or perhaps selectively ignored it. I’ll see if I have my emails archived from SP.

Don't know what to tell you. I can give you our stake president's phone number, if you want to call him. As to how he would enforce such measures - that's super easy - like I said, he sent out an email telling the members to not go into each other's homes (unless they were members of your family). Not sure about Mormons in your area, but here in this state, if they're active in the church, they're very obedient to their fleshly leaders, whose word is law. They'd already closed all our churches down for months, even though our state was never in "lock down" during any time of the scamdemic (thank God for a sane governor) - so Mormons, unlike other faiths that never closed their churches here, were used to not seeing each other, so him telling us all to stay home and not go into each other's houses was entirely accepted without question. We still have people wearing masks at church, three years later - and the vast majority kept wearing them "until they saw Nelson's bare face" (quote marks, because that's the reason they gave). As for our stake president, he was 100% fully invested in the scamdemic - sent weekly emails to the members telling them to wear masks, stay home, take it all very seriously, etc. etc. etc. To this day, neither my husband nor I know of anyone who supposedly died "of covid" in our stake, yet with the way our stake presidency reacted to it, you'd think 1/2 our stake members were dead and dying (but both of his counselors are flaming libtards, and the stake president is much younger than either of them, so that may explain a few things).

So anyway, believe what you want, no matter to me. For all I know, the stake president made it up himself, and it wasn't something the Area Presidency put out. How would we ever know? This was our situation though, sad as it was.

The instructions from our Area presidency and their subsequent implementation were very similar, if not identical, to what EmmaLee describes. We were told NOT to go into anyone's house, and to do our ministering via phone or by driving by and waving.

Our AP went so far as to not allow us to do any sort of online meetings because they said that the First Presidency said that meetings were cancelled and that an online meeting would be disobedient. This continued until the same AP sent a letter out rebuking all Bishops and SP's for not having online meetings. Never once did they take responsibility for their misinterpretion instructions. This type of thing happened multiple times.

At one point, it seemed we were receiving multiple contradictory instructions by the week.

[Serragon]

One thing I have noticed with Nelson is that the sisters really seem to love him in a very personal way. I hear many brethren talking about how thankful they are for him as a prophet, but this is almost always in a more abstract sense as the person currently holding the title. It really wouldn't matter who was in there, these men would be making the same statement.

But with the sisters, it seems to be different. I hear many people talking about how he seems to really "get" them and understand them as women. I have heard many, very personal testimonials about individual talks and how much they have helped them. I think many of our sisters look at Nelson as the first president of the church who has really represented them.

Note that I am not supporting this idea. It is simply an observation. I think the feminization of our patriarchal church will be his major legacy.

[Niemand]

I think many of our sisters look at Nelson as the first president of the church who has really represented them.

In more ways than one. At least one forum member believes Russell Mandela Nelson was born female!!!!