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This has been discussed on this board many times, but today we have some numbers.

https://www.pewresearch.org/


Beginning with Hinckley, church leaders have tried to popularize and normalize Mormonism with programs like I’m A Mormon and the movie, Meet The Mormons.

Nelson has even tried to rid us of being called Mormons, for whatever reason.

Has this worked out for us? The numbers are a resounding “NO”.

“ In contrast, Mormons, atheists and Muslims are viewed unfavorably, on balance, by Americans both overall and outside of each of these groups. For example, about a quarter of U.S. adults who are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (26%) report negative views of Mormons, compared with 14% who hold positive views.”
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Excellent find.

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Crazy, thank you for showing that. I guess the LDS church needs a new PR team.

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People have a slightly less favorable opinion about us than Muslims. Boy have things changed.

No idea why. I guess all the cozying up to Babylon isn’t working?

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The truth is people honestly and sincerely overwhelmingly don’t like polygamy and cults. Debate over Joseph Smith’s involvement with it completely aside, people have made their assessment of early Mormonism and they reject it

The good Book of Mormon’s image was marred

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In a word...polygamy.

Took more crap from that than ALL OTHER THINGS combined on my mission.

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BigT wrote: March 16th, 2023, 2:50 pm People have a slightly less favorable opinion about us than Muslims. Boy have things changed.

No idea why. I guess all the cozying up to Babylon isn’t working?
I think Mitt Romney has played a significant role in this drop in acceptance of Mormons.

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BuriedTartaria wrote: March 16th, 2023, 3:11 pm The truth is people honestly and sincerely overwhelmingly don’t like polygamy and cults. Debate over Joseph Smith’s involvement with it completely aside, people have made their assessment of early Mormonism and they reject it

The good Book of Mormon’s image was marred
Shouldn’t the Bible be marred then? From Abraham to 1100 AD the chosen people practice polygamy.

Jesus had an older brother named James. James the just had a mother named Mary.

Mark 16
1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

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The Red Pill wrote: March 16th, 2023, 3:17 pm In a word...polygamy.

Took more crap from that than ALL OTHER THINGS combined on my mission.
Because they are believers of Paul.

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BuriedTartaria wrote: March 16th, 2023, 3:11 pm The truth is people honestly and sincerely overwhelmingly don’t like polygamy and cults. Debate over Joseph Smith’s involvement with it completely aside, people have made their assessment of early Mormonism and they reject it
The Red Pill wrote: March 16th, 2023, 3:17 pm In a word...polygamy.

Took more crap from that than ALL OTHER THINGS combined on my mission.
Do we want people to like us? Or do we want to live by correct principles come what may.

William Law made this same argument to Joseph Smith. He begged him not to introduce polygamy among the Saints, as he said that without it, Mormonism could become popular more easily and essentially take over the world as far as religion was concerned. But with tears in his eyes, the Prophet said that he could not do that, and that God had commanded him to introduce the principle, no matter what.

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In general, we are against LGBT+ and have taught that it is a sin. After prop 8 and Mitt Romney and now the billions in the stock market, we're seen like rich jews.
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Lizzy60 wrote: March 16th, 2023, 2:43 pm This has been discussed on this board many times, but today we have some numbers.

https://www.pewresearch.org/


Beginning with Hinckley, church leaders have tried to popularize and normalize Mormonism with programs like I’m A Mormon and the movie, Meet The Mormons.

Nelson has even tried to rid us of being called Mormons, for whatever reason.

Has this worked out for us? The numbers are a resounding “NO”.

“ In contrast, Mormons, atheists and Muslims are viewed unfavorably, on balance, by Americans both overall and outside of each of these groups. For example, about a quarter of U.S. adults who are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (26%) report negative views of Mormons, compared with 14% who hold positive views.”
Why don't they like us?

My dad was a very honest man, but he disliked the LDS men that he had to do business with. Why? They were dishonest, they lied about doing a full day's job for a fair wage, and they would "stab you in the back" if you were a non-member. And he was a non-member. Yet he was a man who faithfully on delivered his promises and he was fair. There were only two active LDS men that he trusted and he loved them until the day he died. But the other dishonest members ruined the reputation of the church.

In today's world, many non-members are aware of the church hiding tithing in shell companies. They see that as dishonest. After all, if the corporate church lies, then you cannot trust the regular members.

Many non-members have been snubbed by their neighbors or work associates because they have an occasional beer, wine, or smoke. Or worse yet, have a cup of coffee.

There are good hearted Saints who help neighbors or are friendly. But some are not so friendly after non-members refused to read the Book of Mormon, refused missionary lessons or baptism. It makes us look like we have an ulterior motive. Shame on us.

So we have to ask ourselves..... does the world see us as honest? Or are we two-faced sometimes?

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Well I guess we can take this positively or negatively. It’s often said that we shouldn’t seek the praise of the world. So… if the world hates us, maybe that’s a good thing?

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Wolfwoman wrote: March 16th, 2023, 4:31 pm Well I guess we can take this positively or negatively. It’s often said that we shouldn’t seek the praise of the world. So… if the world hates us, maybe that’s a good thing?
The problem is that Nelson and the rest of them have been seeking the praise of the world in every way possible. Good global citizens, partnering with the UN, GAVI, NAACP, praising socialist/communist leaders, and on and on.
They hunger and thirst after the praise of the world, and the praise of the members.

This will be proved in spades conference weekend.

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Lizzy60 wrote: March 16th, 2023, 4:38 pm
Wolfwoman wrote: March 16th, 2023, 4:31 pm Well I guess we can take this positively or negatively. It’s often said that we shouldn’t seek the praise of the world. So… if the world hates us, maybe that’s a good thing?
The problem is that Nelson and the rest of them have been seeking the praise of the world in every way possible. Good global citizens, partnering with the UN, GAVI, NAACP, praising socialist/communist leaders, and on and on.
They hunger and thirst after the praise of the world, and the praise of the members.

This will be proved in spades conference weekend.
Oh, don’t I know it?!

In that regards, President Nelson may have done okay for himself. Since he’s being awarded the Gandhi-King-Mandela Peace Prize!

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Wolfwoman wrote: March 16th, 2023, 4:45 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: March 16th, 2023, 4:38 pm
Wolfwoman wrote: March 16th, 2023, 4:31 pm Well I guess we can take this positively or negatively. It’s often said that we shouldn’t seek the praise of the world. So… if the world hates us, maybe that’s a good thing?
The problem is that Nelson and the rest of them have been seeking the praise of the world in every way possible. Good global citizens, partnering with the UN, GAVI, NAACP, praising socialist/communist leaders, and on and on.
They hunger and thirst after the praise of the world, and the praise of the members.

This will be proved in spades conference weekend.
Oh, don’t I know it?!

In that regards, President Nelson may have done okay for himself. Since he’s being awarded the Gandhi-King-Mandela Peace Prize!
Can’t you just see him walking up to the pearly gates with that award under his arm?

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believe or not we are the covenant people so far of this day and age. We are the covenant people. We are the Peters, Johns, Matthews, Moses, Pauls, Ruths, Daniels, ETC. of this day and age.

Most people in the church seem to be convinced that our trials consist of WofW, honesty, personal spirituality, time for scripture reading and temple attendance and family, not sinning, etc. BUT actually, our biggest test and tribulation and trial is that satan hates us.

He hates you and he will make sure that you feel it. Probably the worst thing on this earth is to be unloved or even disregarded. satan will make the covenant people feel his hate cuz that gets lots of people to turn away from this gospel and its covenants.

If every person in the church were lovable, kind, helpful, cheerful, talented, etc. then satan would still work his fiery butt off to make everyone he could to hate us.

those who get out of the kitchen can't feel the fire anymore . . but . . they also can not keep their salvation . . cuz this is christs true church . . . the COJCLDS is his true church designed to bring us all back

the Bible isn't his church . . .non christian religions are not his church . . . non preisthood christian churches are not his church

best example next to us for having hate thrown their way would be the old covenant people of another dispensation. . .the house of Israel . . other covenant people . . hmmmm . . go figure

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Bronco73idi wrote: March 16th, 2023, 3:23 pm
The Red Pill wrote: March 16th, 2023, 3:17 pm In a word...polygamy.

Took more crap from that than ALL OTHER THINGS combined on my mission.
Because they are believers of Paul.
"Believers in Paul" maybe because Paul wrote the majority of the New Testament? Maybe we could call them believers in the New Testament?

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Lizzy60 wrote: March 16th, 2023, 4:59 pm
Wolfwoman wrote: March 16th, 2023, 4:45 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: March 16th, 2023, 4:38 pm
Wolfwoman wrote: March 16th, 2023, 4:31 pm Well I guess we can take this positively or negatively. It’s often said that we shouldn’t seek the praise of the world. So… if the world hates us, maybe that’s a good thing?
The problem is that Nelson and the rest of them have been seeking the praise of the world in every way possible. Good global citizens, partnering with the UN, GAVI, NAACP, praising socialist/communist leaders, and on and on.
They hunger and thirst after the praise of the world, and the praise of the members.

This will be proved in spades conference weekend.
Oh, don’t I know it?!

In that regards, President Nelson may have done okay for himself. Since he’s being awarded the Gandhi-King-Mandela Peace Prize!
Can’t you just see him walking up to the pearly gates with that award under his arm?
I think there's gonna be a big bin beside the metal detectors where we have to check all of our pride.

"Sorry, Rusty. You're gonna have to leave that right here in the bin. We don't allow that in here".

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That's an interesting find and my first thought was that it had to do with Donny & Marie. There's only so much syrupy goodness people can take. Either that or we have not lived up to the image we have created for ourselves. We've become an easy target for the adversary and Lehi's vision comes to mind when he describes the mockers in the floating building. There's a reason Broadway picked The Book of Mormon as the target of its mockery. Satan is mocking the very covenant that could have saved us if we had obeyed and lived accordingly. Maybe it's because we are perceived as becoming worldly and not different than anybody else.

Our destiny was to become a "peculiar people" and instead we have become builders of malls. We go on about being the "true" church yada yada yada and it has become impossible to tell an LDS from any other Gentile. Most of all, I think it's because of our wealth. I remember years ago when I told people that I had joined "the Mormons" that most people knew nothing about the church other than that it was very wealthy.

Forget it, it's Donny & Marie!

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blitzinstripes wrote: March 16th, 2023, 7:05 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: March 16th, 2023, 3:23 pm
The Red Pill wrote: March 16th, 2023, 3:17 pm In a word...polygamy.

Took more crap from that than ALL OTHER THINGS combined on my mission.
Because they are believers of Paul.
"Believers in Paul" maybe because Paul wrote the majority of the New Testament? Maybe we could call them believers in the New Testament?
Are you better then Origen of Alexander?

He didn’t have anything bad to say about Paul, that I found.

He called the 4 books the cornerstone to religion. We called them Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

The mosaic law has been fulfilled, now it’s the law of Paul… Why is all of Christianity based off of a man who barely knew Peter let alone Jesus.


Should we not know as much as Paul did through the same way he knew, the Holy Ghost?

I’m not anti Paul, I’m anti ignorance.

Paul called a lot of things abominations, not polygamy, he restricted it and then did away with it. The church under Peter practice polygamy.

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Bronco73idi wrote: March 16th, 2023, 7:18 pm
blitzinstripes wrote: March 16th, 2023, 7:05 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: March 16th, 2023, 3:23 pm
The Red Pill wrote: March 16th, 2023, 3:17 pm In a word...polygamy.

Took more crap from that than ALL OTHER THINGS combined on my mission.
Because they are believers of Paul.
"Believers in Paul" maybe because Paul wrote the majority of the New Testament? Maybe we could call them believers in the New Testament?
Are you better then Origen of Alexander?

He didn’t have anything bad to say about Paul, that I found.

He called the 4 books the cornerstone to religion. We called them Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

The mosaic law has been fulfilled, now it’s the law of Paul… Why is all of Christianity based off of a man who barely knew Peter let alone Jesus.


Should we not know as much as Paul did through the same way he knew, the Holy Ghost?

I’m not anti Paul, I’m anti ignorance.

Paul called a lot of things abominations, not polygamy, he restricted it and then did away with it. The church under Peter practice polygamy.
Should we reject the words of Paul (the majority of the NT) then? Just go with the 4 gospels? Why do we need 4? Maybe condense them into one? Nobody reads Mark, anyway. Maybe keep Revelation? Not sure what you have against Paul. I don't reject the words of Abraham even though he was a polyg. I don't reject the words of Isaiah because he used so much symbolism and Jew speak. I don't reject the words of any of the standard works. I'm not sure why you feel so inclined to dismiss Paul. It's obvious that the Lord gave him a very important purpose, comparable to Mormon in the BofM. He wouldn't choose just any old hand to write the majority of the NT.
The mosaic law has been fulfilled, now it’s the law of Paul… Why is all of Christianity based off of a man who barely knew Peter let alone Jesus.
While he may not have known Christ in mortality, he certainly qualifies as an Apostle having seen and conversed with the resurrected Lord in vision. Joseph Smith didn't know Christ in mortality, either. He wouldn't be born for 1800 more years. Should we toss all the scriptures from Joseph Smith, too?

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Sunain wrote: March 16th, 2023, 3:34 pm In general, we are against LGBT+ and have taught that it is a sin. After prop 8 and Mitt Romney and now the billions in the stock market, we're seen like the rich jews, which were also very low on the survey.
Quite the opposite. The Jews were the most popular group on the survey, the Mormons the least popular.

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I’m actually glad to see this.

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blitzinstripes wrote: March 16th, 2023, 7:32 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: March 16th, 2023, 7:18 pm
blitzinstripes wrote: March 16th, 2023, 7:05 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: March 16th, 2023, 3:23 pm

Because they are believers of Paul.
"Believers in Paul" maybe because Paul wrote the majority of the New Testament? Maybe we could call them believers in the New Testament?
Are you better then Origen of Alexander?

He didn’t have anything bad to say about Paul, that I found.

He called the 4 books the cornerstone to religion. We called them Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

The mosaic law has been fulfilled, now it’s the law of Paul… Why is all of Christianity based off of a man who barely knew Peter let alone Jesus.


Should we not know as much as Paul did through the same way he knew, the Holy Ghost?

I’m not anti Paul, I’m anti ignorance.

Paul called a lot of things abominations, not polygamy, he restricted it and then did away with it. The church under Peter practice polygamy.
Should we reject the words of Paul (the majority of the NT) then? Just go with the 4 gospels? Why do we need 4? Maybe condense them into one? Nobody reads Mark, anyway. Maybe keep Revelation? Not sure what you have against Paul. I don't reject the words of Abraham even though he was a polyg. I don't reject the words of Isaiah because he used so much symbolism and Jew speak. I don't reject the words of any of the standard works. I'm not sure why you feel so inclined to dismiss Paul. It's obvious that the Lord gave him a very important purpose, comparable to Mormon in the BofM. He wouldn't choose just any old hand to write the majority of the NT.
The mosaic law has been fulfilled, now it’s the law of Paul… Why is all of Christianity based off of a man who barely knew Peter let alone Jesus.
While he may not have known Christ in mortality, he certainly qualifies as an Apostle having seen and conversed with the resurrected Lord in vision. Joseph Smith didn't know Christ in mortality, either. He wouldn't be born for 1800 more years. Should we toss all the scriptures from Joseph Smith, too?
I’m glad you can read and not comprehend….

Jospeh Smith taught Adam is our father who art in heaven and has dominion over this earth that was given to him by Elohim.

“ instructing them in the principles and order of the Priesthood, attending to washings, anointings, endowments and the communication of Keys pertaining to the Aaronic Priesthood, and so on to the highest order of Melchisedec Priesthood, setting forth the order pertaining to the ancient of Days, and all those plans and principles, by which any one is enabled to secure the fulness of those blessings, which have been prepared for the Church of the first born, and come up and abide in the presence of the Eloheim in the Eternal worlds.”

It’s Kabbalah….

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