Interview with a former Luciferian

[Reluctant Watchman]

Jacob Isabel interviews a friend of his who was a former Luciferian. I hope people realize this stuff is happening all around you. I'm halfway through the first segment:

[Reluctant Watchman]

Part 2:

[Reluctant Watchman]

Fun quote in part #2 as his guest began dating his wife:

Him: So what do you believe?
Her: Well, I'm Mormon
Him: Wait, like the Book of Mormon people?
Her: Yeah
Him: (starts laughing)
Her: What's so funny?
Him: Well, I used to be in a cult too...

[Pazooka]

I’m halfway through the first video and it’s very interesting to hear from a convert rather than someone who was born into it. It’s pretty slow-paced but interesting.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I just finished... wow. That kind of came full circle. I've been on a two-hour zoom call with Phil D. and I can totally relate to many of the character traits that Eric highlighted. I just laughed to learn of the sermon Phil gave... after his... well, you know.

I also found Eric's insights on Mormon 8 to be really good. If Joseph had written this book, why would he include the major part of one chapter condemning the church in the last days, even the Holy Church of God, when the very church he founded would not only be part of that but probably the very tip of those accusations by Moroni?

Eric's insights into the dark arts were pretty interesting as well. I've heard much of this already, in fact, much darker than this, but it reinforced the idea of how well organized and how well funded this group is.

[Reluctant Watchman]

After watching this video w/ Eric... the following video from Bednar gets really creepy! Start at the 33:30 mark when he's touching the young man.

[Niemand]

Anyone got a synopsis please?

[endlessQuestions]

Anyone got a synopsis please?

I watched part one, and highly recommend it. Skip the first few minutes, though.

It’s the story of a man who got caught up in Luciferianism, who does a great job explaining why it’s so attractive to so many.

The amazing thing is how close the Luciferian teachings are to restoration gospel teachings. Makes me think that if more people understood Luciferianism, more people would seriously look at the Church.

[Refraction75]

Thanks for posting this. I am going to watch both videos.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Thanks for posting this. I am going to watch both videos.

The first is the Luciferian stuff. The second is his transition out of that and into Mormonism, and then away from the corruption and lies that he saw. Then he meets the DoC group and sees corruption in parts of that, as well as some good people. A wheat and tares kind of story.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Part 3:

[LDS Physician]

I listened to all three parts and they were awesome. Enjoyed them very much --- during a very long drive.

[Luke]

I just finished... wow. That kind of came full circle. I've been on a two-hour zoom call with Phil D. and I can totally relate to many of the character traits that Eric highlighted. I just laughed to learn of the sermon Phil gave... after his... well, you know.

What was the sermon he gave about?

[Reluctant Watchman]

I just finished... wow. That kind of came full circle. I've been on a two-hour zoom call with Phil D. and I can totally relate to many of the character traits that Eric highlighted. I just laughed to learn of the sermon Phil gave... after his... well, you know.

What was the sermon he gave about?

Phil was caught on a "hot" web cam, after a video call, violently masturbating. His sermon was justifying his behavior.

[Luke]

I just finished... wow. That kind of came full circle. I've been on a two-hour zoom call with Phil D. and I can totally relate to many of the character traits that Eric highlighted. I just laughed to learn of the sermon Phil gave... after his... well, you know.

What was the sermon he gave about?

Phil was caught on a "hot" web cam, after a video call, violently masturbating. His sermon was justifying his behavior.

Wild. I remember hearing about that but didn’t know he went on a full justification rampage.

What did he say to justify himself?

[Reluctant Watchman]

I just finished... wow. That kind of came full circle. I've been on a two-hour zoom call with Phil D. and I can totally relate to many of the character traits that Eric highlighted. I just laughed to learn of the sermon Phil gave... after his... well, you know.

What was the sermon he gave about?

Phil was caught on a "hot" web cam, after a video call, violently masturbating. His sermon was justifying his behavior.

Wild. I remember hearing about that but didn’t know he went on a full justification rampage.

What did he say to justify himself?

Jacob didn't go into any detail, but he did say that someone recorded what was said.

[Seed Starter]

After watching this video w/ Eric... the following video from Bednar gets really creepy! Start at the 33:30 mark when he's touching the young man.

Weird, that video is now private...

[Redpilled Mormon]

What was the sermon he gave about?

Phil was caught on a "hot" web cam, after a video call, violently masturbating. His sermon was justifying his behavior.

Wild. I remember hearing about that but didn’t know he went on a full justification rampage.

What did he say to justify himself?

Jacob didn't go into any detail, but he did say that someone recorded what was said.

This is 2nd hand; I didn't see it myself, but a family member (who at the time was still enthralled by Phil) did. It was described to me that Phil very bravely leaned in to the masturbation, stating that all men are given strong sexual urges from God, and that it is more righteous for an unmarried man to indulge in masturbation rather than fall into sexual sin (such as adultery, prostitution, etc).

Like I said, I didn't see it so I don't want to misrepresent it, so take this second hand version with a grain of salt, but I think that was close to the argument. He was quite persuasive to all the attendees of the meeting, from what I was told, and if masturbation isn't a sin (lol see my thread on that subject elsewhere in the forum; at the end of the day no one was able to cite a scripture showing that it was a sin, for what it's worth...) then I can even see some logic to his argument.

Still, it's pretty hilarious that Jacob refers to it as 'Phil's Doctrine of Masturbation'. Makes me chuckle every time. Yeah, I'm immature.

[Seed Starter]

Phil was caught on a "hot" web cam, after a video call, violently masturbating. His sermon was justifying his behavior.

Wild. I remember hearing about that but didn’t know he went on a full justification rampage.

What did he say to justify himself?

Jacob didn't go into any detail, but he did say that someone recorded what was said.

This is 2nd hand; I didn't see it myself, but a family member (who at the time was still enthralled by Phil) did. It was described to me that Phil very bravely leaned in to the masturbation, stating that all men are given strong sexual urges from God, and that it is more righteous for an unmarried man to indulge in masturbation rather than fall into sexual sin (such as adultery, prostitution, etc).

Like I said, I didn't see it so I don't want to misrepresent it, so take this second hand version with a grain of salt, but I think that was close to the argument. He was quite persuasive to all the attendees of the meeting, from what I was told, and if masturbation isn't a sin (lol see my thread on that subject elsewhere in the forum; at the end of the day no one was able to cite a scripture showing that it was a sin, for what it's worth...) then I can even see some logic to his argument.

Still, it's pretty hilarious that Jacob refers to it as 'Phil's Doctrine of Masturbation'. Makes me chuckle every time. Yeah, I'm immature.

There's a joke in there somewhere but I'm not gonna make it...

Bravely leaned into it I've never heard the words bravely and masturbation used in the same sentence before.

[Niemand]

[Ymarsakar]

It is always nice to see someone awaken to their spiritual destiny. No matter whether thry decide to join the same org or path as i did.

[Ferrisbueller]

After watching this video w/ Eric... the following video from Bednar gets really creepy! Start at the 33:30 mark when he's touching the young man.

Weird, that video is now private...

What's the big fuss about this video? I see nothing wrong with him directing the boy by touching his shoulders. Nothing burger.

[Ymarsakar]

After watching this video w/ Eric... the following video from Bednar gets really creepy! Start at the 33:30 mark when he's touching the young man.

Weird, that video is now private...

What's the big fuss about this video? I see nothing wrong with him directing the boy by touching his shoulders. Nothing burger.

Demons can be passed on via touch. The lay on hands healing vs the unholy hands.

Watching first interview now.

Ah the beards. Helps em speak truth. See the ymar beard vonspiracy is confirmed again

[Ymarsakar]

This v of luciferiqnism

1. Does not even know the true name. Must be low levek

2. There is a trick involved. The trick is that these are extracted energy from humans. The pyramid scheme needs people and their energies or loyalties to work. It is not coming from a higher power. Rather the energy goes up like a pyramid scheme.

3. Specific people are recruited more such as psychics and people who are like the person on the right. They are looking to recruit certain souls who have powers anf authorities. Since they forget things across the veil, the adversary can flip them even if temporarily gaining power.

4. God s howling really confused these mortals. Even the executives of the qabal were fooled. There js no infinite progress on their path. The qdversary s contract ended at 2012.

5. Belial was fighting with that person s god aka hs. A key pivotal moment. The point of all those demon transfers is to suppress a person s conscience and angelic guides.

6. The grey skin was him coughijg up the demons and parasites put in him. The baptism was also a trial and tear but the wqter acts as a crystal catalyst for the holy apirit to purge his body temple.

[Aussie]

They were interesting interviews! I agree with just about everything he said. He should be happy that God's got his back. He probably learnt a lot from many of the people in the DoC group and I'd say he has now with these videos warned some of them about those leaders. So that's good!

The LDS church is I believe on just about the same level as the Luciferins but just in a different way. To make people believe that if you disagree with a man (who supposedly holds keys to God's house / kingdom ) you run a big chance of being excommunicated from not only his church, his holy house but his kingdom. This also includes, losing your eternal family and your eternal progression as a child of God. This can be soul destroying for some people and is far worse than taking a life.

Have any of you read Isaiah explained? I think many of these people who are searching for more answers and a real prophetic leader / prophet are yearning and looking for the end time Davidic leader, called David. He is the true leader that God has chosen who will also choose very spiritual beings and bless them to do a mighty work for the lord and gather his children from the four corners of the earth. He will be a real prophet who will receive real revelation and perform real miracles for our Father in Heaven in the name of Jesus Christ. Wont that be a change and a breath of free air!