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Post by Reluctant Watchman »
Next: "And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them." 3 Nephi 16:11
First of that is not true, you may say it is true of the Father, but to think Jesus has not changed from before the atonement to after is well.. crazy. Now if you say god's in general are the same or the Father, ok, I doubt in the 6000 years of earth they have changed much.
I think it is their church. Nelson owns it all.
that is not true. there has been a corp of president for many, many years. and it is a fiduciary organization not to be confused with the larger group of the church. Just the later doesn't have any money, which may be a concern. BTW it is identical to how the Catholic church operates in the US, and they are still a church as well as a corp.HereWeGo wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:18 pmI think it is their church. Nelson owns it all.
In the recent past, there were 2 main corporations associated with the church that Joseph established:
• "The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Corporate Sole)
• "The Corporation of the Presiding Bishopric"
Then we had the group of worshipers known as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (a trademark).
During the Covid shutdown, the church re-incorporated the 2 main corporations into one: “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (Corporate Sole). Nelson is the sole corporation owner. He owns it all.
The group of worshipers and the main corporation now have the same name. How does this now make sense to say “I am a member of 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints'”? That would be saying that we are a member of the corporation known as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. In reality, we are not a member of that corporation. We don’t have a corporate position in that organization.
When we use the phrase “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”, we are NOW referring to a corporation NOT to a group of worshiping people.
Post by InfoWarrior82 »
Joseph Smith was a prophet. President Nelson is only sustained as such. (These are the words of our church leaders today, not mine.)Subcomandante wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 9:08 am And one more addition, this is why I say that Joseph Smith, with Joseph Smith's mentality back in those days, would NOT be able to run TODAY's Church, nor would Russell Nelson be able to run the Church in Joseph Smith's day. Each prophet was necessary in that specific time period.
Post by pho·to·syn·the·sis »
Is there a revelation that instructed the Church to incorporate?And what if the revelation was had to form the Church as a corporation?
This is true. We had the Corp of the President and we had the Trademark "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". We no longer have the Corp of the President. When "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is being used, how can we tell if they are talking about a corporation or a group of people worshiping together? They can't mean both at the same time. The "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" legally means the corporation since the re-incorporation..TheDuke wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:24 pmthere has been a corp of president for many, many years. and it is a fiduciary organization not to be confused with the larger group of the church.HereWeGo wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:18 pmI think it is their church. Nelson owns it all.
In the recent past, there were 2 main corporations associated with the church that Joseph established:
• "The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Corporate Sole)
• "The Corporation of the Presiding Bishopric"
Then we had the group of worshipers known as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (a trademark).
During the Covid shutdown, the church re-incorporated the 2 main corporations into one: “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (Corporate Sole). Nelson is the sole corporation owner. He owns it all.
The group of worshipers and the main corporation now have the same name. How does this now make sense to say “I am a member of 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints'”? That would be saying that we are a member of the corporation known as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. In reality, we are not a member of that corporation. We don’t have a corporate position in that organization.
When we use the phrase “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”, we are NOW referring to a corporation NOT to a group of worshiping people.
No.pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:32 pmIs there a revelation that instructed the Church to incorporate?And what if the revelation was had to form the Church as a corporation?
They still represent the church as if it is the Lord's but they are making decisions as if they own it. Everything is voluntary and I'm certain that the decisions they are making are hurting their bottom line. Cause volunteers don't stick around when decisions don't make any sense.HereWeGo wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:18 pmI think it is their church. Nelson owns it all.
In the recent past, there were 2 main corporations associated with the church that Joseph established:
• "The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Corporate Sole)
• "The Corporation of the Presiding Bishopric"
Then we had the group of worshipers known as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (a trademark).
During the Covid shutdown, the church re-incorporated the 2 main corporations into one: “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (Corporate Sole). Nelson is the sole corporation owner. He owns it all.
The group of worshipers and the main corporation now have the same name. How does this now make sense to say “I am a member of 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints'”? That would be saying that we are a member of the corporation known as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. In reality, we are not a member of that corporation. We don’t have a corporate position in that organization.
When we use the phrase “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”, we are NOW referring to a corporation NOT to a group of worshiping people.
Post by TwochurchesOnly »
Or as Hamilton might say:
I am in somewhat the same situation. FWIW, there are groups out there who strongly adhere to Joseph Smith, the BoM, Jesus Christ, etc other than the LDS & RLDS. Two that jump out at me are the Doctrine of Christ group and the Remnant group (Denver Snuffer). Check those out. If you Google them, you will get negative stuff just like you get with all churches. Go to their websites and see what they have to say.cwass wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:41 pm For me, I'm voluntarily in the organization and hold to the scriptures and to faith in Christ. It's like I told my Presbyterian friend...where would I go with my faith in the book of Mormon and Joseph Smith. I can't go to his church and be better off...what? stay home and worship? Doesn't meet the scriptures declaration to meet together oft.. I understand the problems.. and I'm not happy about it. So I stay untill I get kicked out and they don't want me to meet together with them. Or a better option that is heaven sent becomes available.
Post by blitzinstripes »
Don't tempt ME with a good time. I play as well. I wish our music was a little "livelier". Not sure about going full blown Christian metal, but do 99% of our hymns honestly have to be 200 yrs old? I honestly think Jesus rolls his eyes at some of it. Who decided that He only likes organ music from the 19th century?MikeMaillet wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 9:56 amMy Fender Blues Jr. amplifier goes to 12, just so you knowiWriteStuff wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 6:20 amIt seems like their goal is for smaller congregations. If that's the change they want, I think they're already starting to see it.
Now watch them crank it up to 11.
Post by blitzinstripes »
blitzinstripes wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 1:15 pm Wasn't Obama's campaign slogan "Change You Can Believe In"?
Or was it, "Change. You Better Believe It"?
Typical progressive flawed thinking. They honestly seem to believe that all "change" is progress. Much of it is regressive and detrimental.
Post by MikeMaillet »
Amen Brother, Testify!blitzinstripes wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 1:05 pmDon't tempt ME with a good time. I play as well. I wish our music was a little "livelier". Not sure about going full blown Christian metal, but do 99% of our hymns honestly have to be 200 yrs old? I honestly think Jesus rolls his eyes at some of it. Who decided that He only likes organ music from the 19th century?MikeMaillet wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 9:56 amMy Fender Blues Jr. amplifier goes to 12, just so you knowiWriteStuff wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 6:20 amIt seems like their goal is for smaller congregations. If that's the change they want, I think they're already starting to see it.
Now watch them crank it up to 11.
Again that is just not true. They refer to the corporation of the president when they are talking about that entity. They used to in GC, but know they don't bother. But, never have I heard about the corp in GA talks unless it is finance related. And the church is not "trademark" it is an official organization(s) depending on country, etc...HereWeGo wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:33 pmThis is true. We had the Corp of the President and we had the Trademark "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". We no longer have the Corp of the President. When "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is being used, how can we tell if they are talking about a corporation or a group of people worshiping together? They can't mean both at the same time. The "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" legally means the corporation since the re-incorporation..TheDuke wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:24 pmthere has been a corp of president for many, many years. and it is a fiduciary organization not to be confused with the larger group of the church.HereWeGo wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:18 pmI think it is their church. Nelson owns it all.
In the recent past, there were 2 main corporations associated with the church that Joseph established:
• "The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Corporate Sole)
• "The Corporation of the Presiding Bishopric"
Then we had the group of worshipers known as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (a trademark).
During the Covid shutdown, the church re-incorporated the 2 main corporations into one: “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (Corporate Sole). Nelson is the sole corporation owner. He owns it all.
The group of worshipers and the main corporation now have the same name. How does this now make sense to say “I am a member of 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints'”? That would be saying that we are a member of the corporation known as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. In reality, we are not a member of that corporation. We don’t have a corporate position in that organization.
When we use the phrase “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”, we are NOW referring to a corporation NOT to a group of worshiping people.
No. Doing so makes the church subservient to man's law.pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:32 pmIs there a revelation that instructed the Church to incorporate?And what if the revelation was had to form the Church as a corporation?
Post by iWriteStuff »
Come now, how else would we put the visiting High Councilmen to sleep?blitzinstripes wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 1:05 pmDon't tempt ME with a good time. I play as well. I wish our music was a little "livelier". Not sure about going full blown Christian metal, but do 99% of our hymns honestly have to be 200 yrs old? I honestly think Jesus rolls his eyes at some of it. Who decided that He only likes organ music from the 19th century?MikeMaillet wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 9:56 amMy Fender Blues Jr. amplifier goes to 12, just so you knowiWriteStuff wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 6:20 amIt seems like their goal is for smaller congregations. If that's the change they want, I think they're already starting to see it.
Now watch them crank it up to 11.
Actually, there is. In D&C it talks about "organizing" the church according to the laws of the land. The church was originally organized separately (after the first in NY) in each state as a legal entity according to the state laws of 1830-40s. I don't think they were necessarily corps at that point. There were no federal laws about this stuff until later.pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:32 pmIs there a revelation that instructed the Church to incorporate?And what if the revelation was had to form the Church as a corporation?
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