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https://www.theblaze.com/news/un-to-pus ... gbt-people

“The United Nations announced plans to release a report in June regarding "perceived contradictions" between "the right to freedom of religion or belief (FoRB)" and "sexual orientation and gender identity (SOGI)." The report aims to push governments to "fully comply" with international human rights law to "protect and empower" the participation of LGBT+ people in religious communities, the Daily Caller News Foundation reported.”

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Now the 15 have the UN's permission to perform sealings for gay couples.

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You can't ally, or covenant, with the United Nations while at the same time believe that the religious protections in the Defense of Marriage Act are going to protect you.
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Luke wrote: December 13th, 2022, 3:02 pm I believe that this marks the beginning of a fundamental shift in Church policy towards homosexuals, which will inevitably culminate in the performance of same-sex “marriages” in Temples.

I don’t think we have even begun to see how liberal the Church can go in the direction of supporting homosexuality.
What I immediately thought when I heard the Respect for Marriage Act was signed. I still feel the same way.

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: February 6th, 2023, 1:58 pm You can't ally, or covenant, with the United Nations while at the same time believe that the religious protections in the Defense of Marriage Act is going to protect you.
The Defense of Marriage Act was repealed when they approved gay marriage.

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Christianlee wrote: February 6th, 2023, 2:01 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: February 6th, 2023, 1:58 pm You can't ally, or covenant, with the United Nations while at the same time believe that the religious protections in the Defense of Marriage Act is going to protect you.
The Defense of Marriage Act was repealed when they approved gay marriage.
Right... Or whatever the name of this new federal law that they supported last year...

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Good Global Citizens believe in being subject to Presidents, Kings, Magistrates and unelected global leaders

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: February 6th, 2023, 2:17 pm
Christianlee wrote: February 6th, 2023, 2:01 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: February 6th, 2023, 1:58 pm You can't ally, or covenant, with the United Nations while at the same time believe that the religious protections in the Defense of Marriage Act is going to protect you.
The Defense of Marriage Act was repealed when they approved gay marriage.
Right... Or whatever the name of this new federal law that they supported last year...
Respect for Marriage Act 😉

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So, now president Nelson is in a pickle.


For all the apologists, how can he be a Good Global Citizen now?

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Our One World Church is coming. Everyone else underground.

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Christianlee, not to dismiss or oppose your post. But I wonder if they would need to force one church on people, if they can get churches to buy their philosophies in exchange for allowing the church to continue to exist.

One church would be very hard, people would rebel.
But one hundred churches with different names, slightly different in style but all teaching one philosophy...

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: February 6th, 2023, 2:47 pm So, now president Nelson is in a pickle.


For all the apologists, how can he be a Good Global Citizen now?

He can remind us that we believe in obeying the laws of the land.

They might get out in front of this and be proactive, like they were with this coloring page, coordinated ahead of time with the WHO's push to vaccinate toddlers.
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If this has teeth, I see a few possible outcomes for the church:

1. They embrace it without question
2. They offer token resistance but concede
3. They engage in a long legal battle to fight this
4. The church is swallowed up or disbanded

No matter which direction they go, the church will have to take a definitive stand on this issue which will mean losing many traditional members or losing many progressive members.

If past is prologue, then the church has already made its choice.

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tribrac wrote: February 6th, 2023, 3:52 pm Christianlee, not to dismiss or oppose your post. But I wonder if they would need to force one church on people, if they can get churches to buy their philosophies in exchange for allowing the church to continue to exist.

One church would be very hard, people would rebel.
But one hundred churches with different names, slightly different in style but all teaching one philosophy...
They don't need to force any large organization. All they need to do is infiltrate the leadership with their operatives.

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Lose its tax exempt status or perform gay marriages in the temple?

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tribrac wrote: February 6th, 2023, 2:25 pm Good Global Citizens believe in being subject to Presidents, Kings, Magistrates and unelected global leaders
This piece in the LDS Newsroom is interesting. They cite the offense of committing polygamy as worthy of ex-communication, but they don‘t cite revelation as the reason for the change, but due to our need to follow the laws of the land. A slippery slope IMO:

"If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church. An article of our faith is binding upon us. It states, 'We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law' (Articles of Faith 1:12).”

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... s%20Church

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Christianlee wrote: February 6th, 2023, 5:09 pm Lose its tax exempt status or perform gay marriages in the temple?

We might know something tomorrow, due to rumored changes in the temple ordinances.

Maybe they will add orientations into the mix of diversity in God's creation.

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 6th, 2023, 5:12 pm
tribrac wrote: February 6th, 2023, 2:25 pm Good Global Citizens believe in being subject to Presidents, Kings, Magistrates and unelected global leaders
This piece in the LDS Newsroom is interesting. They cite the offense of committing polygamy as worthy of ex-communication, but they don‘t cite revelation as the reason for the change, but due to our need to follow the laws of the land. A slippery slope IMO:

"If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church. An article of our faith is binding upon us. It states, 'We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law' (Articles of Faith 1:12).”

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... s%20Church
The Church will have to draw the line somewhere if it wants to maintain any semblance of legitimacy.

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Christianlee wrote: February 7th, 2023, 7:00 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 6th, 2023, 5:12 pm
tribrac wrote: February 6th, 2023, 2:25 pm Good Global Citizens believe in being subject to Presidents, Kings, Magistrates and unelected global leaders
This piece in the LDS Newsroom is interesting. They cite the offense of committing polygamy as worthy of ex-communication, but they don‘t cite revelation as the reason for the change, but due to our need to follow the laws of the land. A slippery slope IMO:

"If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church. An article of our faith is binding upon us. It states, 'We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law' (Articles of Faith 1:12).”

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... s%20Church
The Church will have to draw the line somewhere if it wants to maintain any semblance of legitimacy.
Flaxen cords are hard to break. Any alliance to Babylon will only bring bondage.

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 6th, 2023, 5:12 pm
tribrac wrote: February 6th, 2023, 2:25 pm Good Global Citizens believe in being subject to Presidents, Kings, Magistrates and unelected global leaders
This piece in the LDS Newsroom is interesting. They cite the offense of committing polygamy as worthy of ex-communication, but they don‘t cite revelation as the reason for the change, but due to our need to follow the laws of the land. A slippery slope IMO:

"If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church. An article of our faith is binding upon us. It states, 'We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law' (Articles of Faith 1:12).”

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... s%20Church
The Church is blatantly LYING in this newsroom article...it states:

"In 1831, Church founder Joseph Smith made a prayerful inquiry about the ancient Old Testament practice of plural marriage. This resulted in the divine instruction to reinstitute the practice as a religious principle."

Joseph DID NOT do this nor believe this. The 1835 and 1844 editions of the D&C had section 101, which CONDEMS polygamy and clearly states Monogamy is the Lord's proper way. Joseph, Hyrum and Emma were fighting AGAINST polygamy. Even Brigham and his manufactured section 132 didn't have Joseph receiving "revelation" on the subject until 1843.

The church just pulls crap out of thin air and writes it down...disgusting.

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Christianlee wrote: February 6th, 2023, 1:51 pm https://www.theblaze.com/news/un-to-pus ... gbt-people

“The United Nations announced plans to release a report in June regarding "perceived contradictions" between "the right to freedom of religion or belief (FoRB)" and "sexual orientation and gender identity (SOGI)." The report aims to push governments to "fully comply" with international human rights law to "protect and empower" the participation of LGBT+ people in religious communities, the Daily Caller News Foundation reported.”
This will go nowhere. The UN doesn't have the teeth to get anything done.

I could imagine countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia saying, welcome my rainbow friends!

NOT!

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Subcomandante wrote: February 7th, 2023, 7:39 am
Christianlee wrote: February 6th, 2023, 1:51 pm https://www.theblaze.com/news/un-to-pus ... gbt-people

“The United Nations announced plans to release a report in June regarding "perceived contradictions" between "the right to freedom of religion or belief (FoRB)" and "sexual orientation and gender identity (SOGI)." The report aims to push governments to "fully comply" with international human rights law to "protect and empower" the participation of LGBT+ people in religious communities, the Daily Caller News Foundation reported.”
This will go nowhere. The UN doesn't have the teeth to get anything done.

I could imagine countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia saying, welcome my rainbow friends!

NOT!
What if I told you that governments all over the world were already implementing United Nations policies within and outside national laws?

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: February 7th, 2023, 7:49 am
Subcomandante wrote: February 7th, 2023, 7:39 am
Christianlee wrote: February 6th, 2023, 1:51 pm https://www.theblaze.com/news/un-to-pus ... gbt-people

“The United Nations announced plans to release a report in June regarding "perceived contradictions" between "the right to freedom of religion or belief (FoRB)" and "sexual orientation and gender identity (SOGI)." The report aims to push governments to "fully comply" with international human rights law to "protect and empower" the participation of LGBT+ people in religious communities, the Daily Caller News Foundation reported.”
This will go nowhere. The UN doesn't have the teeth to get anything done.

I could imagine countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia saying, welcome my rainbow friends!

NOT!
What if I told you that governments all over the world were already implementing United Nations policies within and outside national laws?
What if I told you that having a common relationship in one thing does not necessarily mean that you have a common relationship in absolutely everything?

Not everything is cut and dried. That's Talibanic thinking.

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Christianlee wrote: February 6th, 2023, 5:09 pm Lose its tax exempt status or perform gay marriages in the temple?
I think initially the church will come under pressure to perform legal marriages in our chapels.
To counter this the church will get out of the wedding game altogether. They will simply seal previously married couples as the sealiing carries no legal recognition.
That will hold the line for a time.
However, it will be noticed that the alphabet people are still being discriminated against within the rituals and sacraments of the church, and that is when the fan and the brown stuff will come into contact.

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tribrac wrote: February 6th, 2023, 3:52 pm Christianlee, not to dismiss or oppose your post. But I wonder if they would need to force one church on people, if they can get churches to buy their philosophies in exchange for allowing the church to continue to exist.

One church would be very hard, people would rebel.
But one hundred churches with different names, slightly different in style but all teaching one philosophy...
It will be “one church” with many heads, each with their own unique flavor. The allusion of distinction.

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