I've heard a lot of unbelievable conspiracy theories here on LDSFF, but this one takes the cake.
Someone making a lot of money from selling CDs at a regional bookstore? That's just a bit too far-fetched for me. Do people even buy CDs anymore?
I've heard a lot of unbelievable conspiracy theories here on LDSFF, but this one takes the cake.
That's a pretty outrageous label to slap on someone you don't know.
It's the same thing the Holy Ghost told me about her and her buddies.....repeatedly.JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 9:50 pmThat's a pretty outrageous label to slap on someone you don't know.
Post by Gadianton Slayer »
She’s teaching anti-Christ doctrines that are evil, and my bold assumption is that she’s smart enough for it not to be ignorantly. Willingly teaching evil means being evil in my book.JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 9:50 pmThat's a pretty outrageous label to slap on someone you don't know.
Post by Mindfields »
I was thinking more like a nice, appropriately modest dress with flats and a matching purse. "Did you see that lady? She looks just like President Oaks!"Niemand wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 1:51 pmIronically that would be a good excuse to mask up.Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 1:45 pm I think it's commendable that he does this. However, he would learn a lot more if he visited in disguise.
Best thing he could do is cultivate some informants (or "touts"). Folk at ground level who would be honest with him.
" A circumstance of this kind took place in Upper Canada, but was rebuked by the presiding Elder; another, a woman near the same place, professed to have the discerning spirits, and began to accuse another sister of things that she was not guilty of, which she said she knew was so by the spirit, but was afterwards proven to be false; she placed herself in the capacity of the "accuser of the brethren," and no person through the discerning of spirits can bring a charge against another, they must be proven guilty by positive evidence, or they stand clear."Forever wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 11:05 pmIt's the same thing the Holy Ghost told me about her and her buddies.....repeatedly.JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 9:50 pmThat's a pretty outrageous label to slap on someone you don't know.
Post by Reluctant Watchman »
What Jenny said leads to idolatry. It is idolatry. Is idolatry not evil? What she said is wrong.JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 6:35 am" A circumstance of this kind took place in Upper Canada, but was rebuked by the presiding Elder; another, a woman near the same place, professed to have the discerning spirits, and began to accuse another sister of things that she was not guilty of, which she said she knew was so by the spirit, but was afterwards proven to be false; she placed herself in the capacity of the "accuser of the brethren," and no person through the discerning of spirits can bring a charge against another, they must be proven guilty by positive evidence, or they stand clear."
Joseph Smith
Post by blitzinstripes »
You have positive evidence that Jenny Oaks Baker is an evil person? Wow.
We've been commanded to judge by their fruits. Words out of their mouths, their demeanor and darkness are fruits that we can both see and hear.JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:10 pmYou have positive evidence that Jenny Oaks Baker is an evil person? Wow.
Impressive.
I guess that's better than Forever's knowledge that's she's evil by the Holy Ghost (which Joseph said wasn't valid).
Funny.Forever wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:13 pmWe've been commanded to judge by their fruits. Words out of their mouths, their demeanor and darkness are fruits that we can both see and hear.JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:10 pmYou have positive evidence that Jenny Oaks Baker is an evil person? Wow.
Impressive.
I guess that's better than Forever's knowledge that's she's evil by the Holy Ghost (which Joseph said wasn't valid).
Post by Reluctant Watchman »
The question should be, is correct doctrine being taught in the church? Do they teach doctrines that contradict Christ's teachings?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:17 pm I was just having the same thoughts about a lot of this board's residents reading these posts.
The resident spirit and fruits here really strengthens my testimony in the restoration seeing the spirit of those fighting everything from Brigham to present day.
Darkness of demeanor is very accurate. There's so little love for anyone in the Church.
Post by Gadianton Slayer »
Did you even read the post I quoted you in before this?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:10 pmYou have positive evidence that Jenny Oaks Baker is an evil person? Wow.
Impressive. Not that she did something wrong, but that she herself is evil. Because that's what you wrote.
I guess that's better than Forever's knowledge that's she's evil by the Holy Ghost (which Joseph said wasn't valid).
Post by Dusty Wanderer »
Just like so many conference talks.Niemand wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 10:27 amWow! That actually sounds a bit paint by numbers but authentic...Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 9:57 amI’m not so sure how this AI response would go…
Growing up, I was always taught to have faith in my religious leaders and to trust in their guidance and wisdom. I never questioned their authority or doubted their teachings. However, one summer I was on a camping trip with my church and I got a severe case of poison oak. I was in so much pain and I couldn't find any relief, no matter what I tried.
When I went to the leaders for help, they simply told me that it was a test of my faith and that I needed to have more trust in God's plan. They didn't offer any practical solutions or any kind of medical help. I was left to suffer and I felt completely abandoned. This experience shattered my faith in my religious leaders and made me question everything I had been taught about trust and obedience.
It was a difficult and painful journey, but I eventually came to realize that faith in God doesn't necessarily mean blind obedience to religious leaders. I learned that true faith requires us to think for ourselves and make informed decisions, even if it means going against the norm. It's important to have trust and respect for our leaders, but it's equally important to question and seek understanding for ourselves.
This experience with poison oak may seem small, but it had a profound impact on my spiritual journey and my relationship with my faith. It taught me to have a deeper understanding of what true faith is and to always seek guidance from God, rather than relying solely on human leaders.
You mean "She’s teaching anti-Christ doctrines that are evil, and my bold assumption is that she’s smart enough for it not to be ignorantly. Willingly teaching evil means being evil in my book."Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:33 pmDid you even read the post I quoted you in before this?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:10 pmYou have positive evidence that Jenny Oaks Baker is an evil person? Wow.
Impressive. Not that she did something wrong, but that she herself is evil. Because that's what you wrote.
I guess that's better than Forever's knowledge that's she's evil by the Holy Ghost (which Joseph said wasn't valid).
Post by Dusty Wanderer »
I actually prefer a good hearty 'amen'. The response should resonate the group's 'so be it'. Then when it is absent, or diminished, it's clear that the group is like 'whatevs' or 'if you say so'.
Post by Gadianton Slayer »
So you don’t think that willfully teaching doctrines that blatantly contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ is evil?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:39 pmYou mean "She’s teaching anti-Christ doctrines that are evil, and my bold assumption is that she’s smart enough for it not to be ignorantly. Willingly teaching evil means being evil in my book."Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:33 pmDid you even read the post I quoted you in before this?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:10 pmYou have positive evidence that Jenny Oaks Baker is an evil person? Wow.
Impressive. Not that she did something wrong, but that she herself is evil. Because that's what you wrote.
I guess that's better than Forever's knowledge that's she's evil by the Holy Ghost (which Joseph said wasn't valid).
Yes, I read it.
I have reached the point in my life where just because someone teaches or advocates something I disagree with I don't label them as the devil.
Just because someone is wrong, doesn't make them evil.
That goes for politics and religion. People make mistakes, preach incorrect doctrines, and advocate for false paths. I see it every day in all areas of life. It's on this board regularly but I don't consider any of you evil just because you're wrong.
I don't think teaching false doctrine makes you evil. It makes you wrong. I don't even think teaching doctrines that appear to contradict the gospel make you evil.Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:51 pmSo you don’t think that willfully teaching doctrines that blatantly contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ is evil?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:39 pmYou mean "She’s teaching anti-Christ doctrines that are evil, and my bold assumption is that she’s smart enough for it not to be ignorantly. Willingly teaching evil means being evil in my book."Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:33 pmDid you even read the post I quoted you in before this?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:10 pm
You have positive evidence that Jenny Oaks Baker is an evil person? Wow.
Impressive. Not that she did something wrong, but that she herself is evil. Because that's what you wrote.
I guess that's better than Forever's knowledge that's she's evil by the Holy Ghost (which Joseph said wasn't valid).
Yes, I read it.
I have reached the point in my life where just because someone teaches or advocates something I disagree with I don't label them as the devil.
Just because someone is wrong, doesn't make them evil.
That goes for politics and religion. People make mistakes, preach incorrect doctrines, and advocate for false paths. I see it every day in all areas of life. It's on this board regularly but I don't consider any of you evil just because you're wrong.
There’s no question about infallibility doctrine BTW. It’s anti-Christ. I don’t think a mentally or logically competent person would disagree. The leaders even admit themselves that they are capable of leading astray. That’s what makes it evil.
Post by TwochurchesOnly »
Mindfields wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 6:33 amI was thinking more like a nice, appropriately modest dress with flats and a matching purse. "Did you see that lady? She looks just like President Oaks!"Niemand wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 1:51 pmIronically that would be a good excuse to mask up.Robin Hood wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 1:45 pm I think it's commendable that he does this. However, he would learn a lot more if he visited in disguise.
Best thing he could do is cultivate some informants (or "touts"). Folk at ground level who would be honest with him.
It's not wrong to advocate for truth, true doctrine or good. It's not wrong to condemn false doctrine or teachings.Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:24 pmThe question should be, is correct doctrine being taught in the church? Do they teach doctrines that contradict Christ's teachings?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:17 pm I was just having the same thoughts about a lot of this board's residents reading these posts.
The resident spirit and fruits here really strengthens my testimony in the restoration seeing the spirit of those fighting everything from Brigham to present day.
Darkness of demeanor is very accurate. There's so little love for anyone in the Church.
Is it wrong to fight for true doctrine as contained in the scriptures, and as taught by Joseph (if we receive a witness of the spirit)? Is it equally wrong to condemn false doctrine, teachings, and practices?
Post by Gadianton Slayer »
You can guarantee all you’d like, but you’re making the same assumptions as me. I don’t agree with you conclusion, oh well.JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:59 pmI don't think teaching false doctrine makes you evil. It makes you wrong. I don't even think teaching doctrines that appear to contradict the gospel make you evil.Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:51 pmSo you don’t think that willfully teaching doctrines that blatantly contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ is evil?JLHPROF wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:39 pmYou mean "She’s teaching anti-Christ doctrines that are evil, and my bold assumption is that she’s smart enough for it not to be ignorantly. Willingly teaching evil means being evil in my book."Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑February 6th, 2023, 12:33 pm
Did you even read the post I quoted you in before this?
Yes, I read it.
I have reached the point in my life where just because someone teaches or advocates something I disagree with I don't label them as the devil.
Just because someone is wrong, doesn't make them evil.
That goes for politics and religion. People make mistakes, preach incorrect doctrines, and advocate for false paths. I see it every day in all areas of life. It's on this board regularly but I don't consider any of you evil just because you're wrong.
There’s no question about infallibility doctrine BTW. It’s anti-Christ. I don’t think a mentally or logically competent person would disagree. The leaders even admit themselves that they are capable of leading astray. That’s what makes it evil.
I think in order to be truly evil you would have to be actually of the mind where you knowingly choose evil - ie you see the sun shine at noonday and deny it etc.
Again, just because someone is wrong it doesn't make them evil.
I guarantee you that Baker believes what she says is correct, true, and in keeping with the gospel.
Post by Reluctant Watchman »
I agree w/ Joseph, but that's not what is happening in the case of the current PSRs. At least w/some of them. You can't event begin a discussion about how you think they are wrong w/o the condemnation of leadership. We've made idols of men.
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