The Data is in: The Covid injections are destroying the immune system

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The Data is in: The Covid injections are destroying the immune system

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In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout

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PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
Imagine calling that product safe and effective, a godsend, the miracle we prayed for, and the ONLY way to end the pandemic. Imagine mandating it for almost all young men and young women who want to serve missions and go to a church college. Yeah, just imagine that.

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Lizzy60 wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:32 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
Imagine calling that product safe and effective, a godsend, the miracle we prayed for, and the ONLY way to end the pandemic. Imagine mandating it for almost all young men and young women who want to serve missions and go to a church college. Yeah, just imagine that.
"Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man". It's almost as though the BOM warned us about situations like this

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Safe(ty "off") and effective (at destroying the human body).

God(of this world)send.

Good global(ist agenda) citizens.

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Lizzy60 wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:32 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
Imagine calling that product safe and effective, a godsend, the miracle we prayed for, and the ONLY way to end the pandemic. Imagine mandating it for almost all young men and young women who want to serve missions and go to a church college. Yeah, just imagine that.
The response to this is that the rest of the world required it to leave the house, cross borders, go to stores.

That being said, I certainly would have been happy if the church said, "No one can be sure of the long term effects of this, so consult your doctor and prayerfully decide for yourself. In the meantime, church remains canceled wherever there are vaccine or social distancing requirements, and in- person missionary efforts are likewise curtailed. We petition governments to safely permit the free exercise of religions gatherings everywhere. "

But does anyone think that would accomplish anything? The hesitant would still hesitate. The conformist would still be angry about the church not conforming. The church would get attacked as antiscience and dangerous. The hard core anti govt zealots might be even more emboldened to protest and draw down wrath on our church and members. Those who were hesitant but conformed revealed they trust the prophet more than their own prompting or wisdom -- which could be to their credit or reveal they are manipulated by peer pressure.

Myself, early on, I felt skeptical but thought I'd likely get the vaccine after 10 months, but then I got covid and shrugged it off and also saw all the early heart issues and figured I have better immunity and don't need to add to the risk. I made my own decisions.

I don't know why people are so upset about this issue from the church perspective. The Lord had very little to say about a tyranny oppressing his people that would literally crucify him and his followers. He even suggested they pay taxes to support it and they do more than whatever the soldiers asked of them. I have no beef with President Nelson et al. Some of us need to get the bitterness out of their heart.

We will all die as part of the plan. Obviously, be wise and make your own choices. We have far more to blame Trump or Biden for in our lives, but I don't live my life obsessed over it.

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Ciams wrote: January 29th, 2023, 9:51 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:32 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
Imagine calling that product safe and effective, a godsend, the miracle we prayed for, and the ONLY way to end the pandemic. Imagine mandating it for almost all young men and young women who want to serve missions and go to a church college. Yeah, just imagine that.
The response to this is that the rest of the world required it to leave the house, cross borders, go to stores.

That being said, I certainly would have been happy if the church said, "No one can be sure of the long term effects of this, so consult your doctor and prayerfully decide for yourself. In the meantime, church remains canceled wherever there are vaccine or social distancing requirements, and in- person missionary efforts are likewise curtailed. We petition governments to safely permit the free exercise of religions gatherings everywhere. "

But does anyone think that would accomplish anything? The hesitant would still hesitate. The conformist would still be angry about the church not conforming. The church would get attacked as antiscience and dangerous. The hard core anti govt zealots might be even more emboldened to protest and draw down wrath on our church and members. Those who were hesitant but conformed revealed they trust the prophet more than their own prompting or wisdom -- which could be to their credit or reveal they are manipulated by peer pressure.

Myself, early on, I felt skeptical but thought I'd likely get the vaccine after 10 months, but then I got covid and shrugged it off and also saw all the early heart issues and figured I have better immunity and don't need to add to the risk. I made my own decisions.

I don't know why people are so upset about this issue from the church perspective. The Lord had very little to say about a tyranny oppressing his people that would literally crucify him and his followers. He even suggested they pay taxes to support it and they do more than whatever the soldiers asked of them. I have no beef with President Nelson et al. Some of us need to get the bitterness out of their heart.

We will all die as part of the plan. Obviously, be wise and make your own choices. We have far more to blame Trump or Biden for in our lives, but I don't live my life obsessed over it.
Is it too much for us to expect the church to not be blatant liars?

The church should have said to trust in God and his immune system and that as doctors they knew that all corona virus mutate and so it is not possible for a shot to work and besides God gave us skin to keep shots out. Then, they could have told McConkie and company to get off their lazy arses and petition the supreme court to ban unconstitutional lock downs and silly distancing rules that even an idiot knows don't work. Then the church should have told people to attend church as normal and see if the local police were actually willing to put Christ followers in jail. There aren't enough jail cells and the cowardly approach stinks. But the real issue isn't that the church simply insists on spreading lies, it is that the church mandates exceeded that of government, thereby proving beyond doubt to the WEF that the church was willing and able to follow satan at any cost. Even a massive reduction in tithing.

The church has not admitted error or apologized for thousands of murders.

The church is obviously being ran by satan. Christ has left the building.

I used to think the Catholic Church was the whore. But now I know that there are only 2 churches and the real one does not use buildings. The real followers of Christ do so in their heart and mind from wherever they are. They do so 7 days a week. They help the poor and heal the sick. Just like followers of Christ always have.

There is a Judas in the church named Russell M. Nelson that may have had sex with men in a casket or whatever it is that Skull and Bones do to get satan's approval of their blood oath. But he is not the only one. It is every person that follows him. How many times a day do I read on this forum that God says follow no man?

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That's kind of nonsense to say trust God and the immune system (only). So no operations or medications? I am in awe at the immune system. And we can help it. And as evidence shows also injured it as well.


I realize vaccines in general have issues and the issues with this covid shot I hope reveals overtime that vaccines have been oversold and have unseen (to the masses) damages.

The weird accusations you make are ones I can't possibly accept. Sorry. I'll more readily believe those twisted things about you than I would against any of the apostles. It's such a bad faith argument.

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Ciams wrote: January 29th, 2023, 11:22 pm That's kind of nonsense to say trust God and the immune system (only). So no operations or medications? I am in awe at the immune system. And we can help it. And as evidence shows also injured it as well.


I realize vaccines in general have issues and the issues with this covid shot I hope reveals overtime that vaccines have been oversold and have unseen (to the masses) damages.

The weird accusations you make are ones I can't possibly accept. Sorry. I'll more readily believe those twisted things about you than I would against any of the apostles. It's such a bad faith argument.
No need to interject things I never said or inferred. Everyone knows doctors are necessary for transplants, emergency rooms, surgery, etc. No need to lie in order to make it appear that I did.

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Ciams wrote: January 29th, 2023, 9:51 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:32 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
Imagine calling that product safe and effective, a godsend, the miracle we prayed for, and the ONLY way to end the pandemic. Imagine mandating it for almost all young men and young women who want to serve missions and go to a church college. Yeah, just imagine that.
The response to this is that the rest of the world required it to leave the house, cross borders, go to stores.

That being said, I certainly would have been happy if the church said, "No one can be sure of the long term effects of this, so consult your doctor and prayerfully decide for yourself. In the meantime, church remains canceled wherever there are vaccine or social distancing requirements, and in- person missionary efforts are likewise curtailed. We petition governments to safely permit the free exercise of religions gatherings everywhere. "

But does anyone think that would accomplish anything? The hesitant would still hesitate. The conformist would still be angry about the church not conforming. The church would get attacked as antiscience and dangerous. The hard core anti govt zealots might be even more emboldened to protest and draw down wrath on our church and members. Those who were hesitant but conformed revealed they trust the prophet more than their own prompting or wisdom -- which could be to their credit or reveal they are manipulated by peer pressure.

Myself, early on, I felt skeptical but thought I'd likely get the vaccine after 10 months, but then I got covid and shrugged it off and also saw all the early heart issues and figured I have better immunity and don't need to add to the risk. I made my own decisions.

I don't know why people are so upset about this issue from the church perspective. The Lord had very little to say about a tyranny oppressing his people that would literally crucify him and his followers. He even suggested they pay taxes to support it and they do more than whatever the soldiers asked of them. I have no beef with President Nelson et al. Some of us need to get the bitterness out of their heart.

We will all die as part of the plan. Obviously, be wise and make your own choices. We have far more to blame Trump or Biden for in our lives, but I don't live my life obsessed over it.
Christ was quiet about the oppression of the Romans.

Why the Church (or rather were told to say Jesus Christ our Savior or Lord in place of the Church) not stay silent about the current oppression from the state? Instead the Church did the exact opposite, and continues to align itself with the oppressors and bandits of the state, the UN, etc.

That's the glaring and obvious problem. Do you see the difference?

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PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
Too bad it doesn't say what you think it says.

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Ciams wrote: January 29th, 2023, 9:51 pm The response to this is that the rest of the world required it to leave the house, cross borders, go to stores.
So, it's okay for the church to push this as a godsend because the world required it?
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16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Will they push this too? The world will require it to go to the store and stuff. Or perhaps the jab is already the beginning of the mark.🤔

The sad thing is, by their lack of revelation and because of their misguided belief in following the world's laws, I believe they will.

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Ciams wrote: January 29th, 2023, 11:22 pm That's kind of nonsense to say trust God and the immune system (only). So no operations or medications? I am in awe at the immune system. And we can help it. And as evidence shows also injured it as well.


I realize vaccines in general have issues and the issues with this covid shot I hope reveals overtime that vaccines have been oversold and have unseen (to the masses) damages.

The weird accusations you make are ones I can't possibly accept. Sorry. I'll more readily believe those twisted things about you than I would against any of the apostles. It's such a bad faith argument.
The church was aware that therapeutics existed that were nearly 100% effective in fighting the illness. Dozens of members wrote them, but no, we can’t lessen the stock investments we’ve made.

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Subcomandante wrote: January 30th, 2023, 5:02 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
Too bad it doesn't say what you think it says.
It says you should be a good global citizen. :)

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Ciams wrote: January 29th, 2023, 9:51 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:32 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
Imagine calling that product safe and effective, a godsend, the miracle we prayed for, and the ONLY way to end the pandemic. Imagine mandating it for almost all young men and young women who want to serve missions and go to a church college. Yeah, just imagine that.
The response to this is that the rest of the world required it to leave the house, cross borders, go to stores.

That being said, I certainly would have been happy if the church said, "No one can be sure of the long term effects of this, so consult your doctor and prayerfully decide for yourself. In the meantime, church remains canceled wherever there are vaccine or social distancing requirements, and in- person missionary efforts are likewise curtailed. We petition governments to safely permit the free exercise of religions gatherings everywhere. "

But does anyone think that would accomplish anything? The hesitant would still hesitate. The conformist would still be angry about the church not conforming. The church would get attacked as antiscience and dangerous. The hard core anti govt zealots might be even more emboldened to protest and draw down wrath on our church and members. Those who were hesitant but conformed revealed they trust the prophet more than their own prompting or wisdom -- which could be to their credit or reveal they are manipulated by peer pressure.

Myself, early on, I felt skeptical but thought I'd likely get the vaccine after 10 months, but then I got covid and shrugged it off and also saw all the early heart issues and figured I have better immunity and don't need to add to the risk. I made my own decisions.

I don't know why people are so upset about this issue from the church perspective. The Lord had very little to say about a tyranny oppressing his people that would literally crucify him and his followers. He even suggested they pay taxes to support it and they do more than whatever the soldiers asked of them. I have no beef with President Nelson et al. Some of us need to get the bitterness out of their heart.

We will all die as part of the plan. Obviously, be wise and make your own choices. We have far more to blame Trump or Biden for in our lives, but I don't live my life obsessed over it.
I honestly don’t know where to begin with a remark like this. “Oh, we’re all going to die anyways…” WTH? Do you care that the highest office in your church took the Lord’s name in vain. They are liars and deceivers. They are sucking on the teet of Babylon.
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Reluctant Watchman wrote: January 30th, 2023, 6:26 am
Ciams wrote: January 29th, 2023, 9:51 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:32 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
Imagine calling that product safe and effective, a godsend, the miracle we prayed for, and the ONLY way to end the pandemic. Imagine mandating it for almost all young men and young women who want to serve missions and go to a church college. Yeah, just imagine that.
The response to this is that the rest of the world required it to leave the house, cross borders, go to stores.

That being said, I certainly would have been happy if the church said, "No one can be sure of the long term effects of this, so consult your doctor and prayerfully decide for yourself. In the meantime, church remains canceled wherever there are vaccine or social distancing requirements, and in- person missionary efforts are likewise curtailed. We petition governments to safely permit the free exercise of religions gatherings everywhere. "

But does anyone think that would accomplish anything? The hesitant would still hesitate. The conformist would still be angry about the church not conforming. The church would get attacked as antiscience and dangerous. The hard core anti govt zealots might be even more emboldened to protest and draw down wrath on our church and members. Those who were hesitant but conformed revealed they trust the prophet more than their own prompting or wisdom -- which could be to their credit or reveal they are manipulated by peer pressure.

Myself, early on, I felt skeptical but thought I'd likely get the vaccine after 10 months, but then I got covid and shrugged it off and also saw all the early heart issues and figured I have better immunity and don't need to add to the risk. I made my own decisions.

I don't know why people are so upset about this issue from the church perspective. The Lord had very little to say about a tyranny oppressing his people that would literally crucify him and his followers. He even suggested they pay taxes to support it and they do more than whatever the soldiers asked of them. I have no beef with President Nelson et al. Some of us need to get the bitterness out of their heart.

We will all die as part of the plan. Obviously, be wise and make your own choices. We have far more to blame Trump or Biden for in our lives, but I don't live my life obsessed over it.
I honestly I don’t know where to begin with a remark like this. “Oh, we’re all going to die anyways…” WTH? Do you care that the highest office in your church took the Lord’s name in vain. They are liars and deceivers. They are sucking on the teet of Babylon.

This is how the church-broke mind resolves the dilemma. If mortal life must be cheapened to maintain the infallibility of the church, so be it. Their idol CANNOT be allowed to fail, under any circumstance. Meanwhile, Jesus offers truth and solace.

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Subcomandante wrote: January 30th, 2023, 5:02 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
Too bad it doesn't say what you think it says.
In my opinion it says these vaccines aren't fully understood and we shouldn't have mandated and urged people to take an experimental product. What do you think it means?

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Ciams wrote: January 29th, 2023, 9:51 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:32 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
Imagine calling that product safe and effective, a godsend, the miracle we prayed for, and the ONLY way to end the pandemic. Imagine mandating it for almost all young men and young women who want to serve missions and go to a church college. Yeah, just imagine that.
The response to this is that the rest of the world required it to leave the house, cross borders, go to stores.

That being said, I certainly would have been happy if the church said, "No one can be sure of the long term effects of this, so consult your doctor and prayerfully decide for yourself. In the meantime, church remains canceled wherever there are vaccine or social distancing requirements, and in- person missionary efforts are likewise curtailed. We petition governments to safely permit the free exercise of religions gatherings everywhere. "

But does anyone think that would accomplish anything? The hesitant would still hesitate. The conformist would still be angry about the church not conforming. The church would get attacked as antiscience and dangerous. The hard core anti govt zealots might be even more emboldened to protest and draw down wrath on our church and members. Those who were hesitant but conformed revealed they trust the prophet more than their own prompting or wisdom -- which could be to their credit or reveal they are manipulated by peer pressure.

Myself, early on, I felt skeptical but thought I'd likely get the vaccine after 10 months, but then I got covid and shrugged it off and also saw all the early heart issues and figured I have better immunity and don't need to add to the risk. I made my own decisions.

I don't know why people are so upset about this issue from the church perspective. The Lord had very little to say about a tyranny oppressing his people that would literally crucify him and his followers. He even suggested they pay taxes to support it and they do more than whatever the soldiers asked of them. I have no beef with President Nelson et al. Some of us need to get the bitterness out of their heart.

We will all die as part of the plan. Obviously, be wise and make your own choices. We have far more to blame Trump or Biden for in our lives, but I don't live my life obsessed over it.
I would suggest reading the entire standard works for a more accurate understanding of our Lord. In the D&C he seems to be against tyranny. He says slavery is not right and that the Constitution was inspired. In the Book of Mormon they have a system of judges and popular votes for their government, instead of kings. And the Lord was not happy about them destroying their system of government and breaking up into tribes before he came to visit them in 3rd Nephi. In the Old Testament he gives his people Moses to lead them out of slavery. I would say he’s a proponent of liberty. Yes at times we are stuck, like the people in the Book of Mormon who were enslaved and had burdens put on their backs. But eventually they escaped that tyranny too. The Book of Mormon is very pro freedom actually. And I’m sure the Lord is fine with people being against something that sounds an awful lot like the mark of the beast in the book of Revelation.

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PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
My wife's immune system is not working properly. She picks up everything and fights with it. She has no energy and brain fog. They call it long COVID. BULL CRAP. IT'S A DIRECT RESULT OF THE VACCINE SHE HAD TO TAKE TO KEEP HER JOB.

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Fight for the right wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:44 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
My wife's immune system is not working properly. She picks up everything and fights with it. She has no energy and brain fog. They call it long COVID. BULL CRAP. IT'S A DIRECT RESULT OF THE VACCINE SHE HAD TO TAKE TO KEEP HER JOB.
Have you looked into the FLCCC post vaccine treatment? Might be helpful
https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatme ... i-recover/

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Fight for the right wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:44 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
My wife's immune system is not working properly. She picks up everything and fights with it. She has no energy and brain fog. They call it long COVID. BULL CRAP. IT'S A DIRECT RESULT OF THE VACCINE SHE HAD TO TAKE TO KEEP HER JOB.

I know SOOOOO many people like that. It makes me CRAZY because most of them totally don't see what has happened to themselves and their family members. They call it LOOOOOOOONG COVID. They believe lies.

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Chip wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:53 am
Fight for the right wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:44 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: January 29th, 2023, 10:29 am In case anybody missed it, a paper was published in December called "Class switch toward noninflammatory, spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination" https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

In layman's terms when the body is repeatedly exposed to a harmless foreign body, such as pollen, the body begins producing IgG4 antibodies so that any immune cell it encounters will be instructed to leave it alone. The data is showing people that have been injected multiple times with the Covid MRNA products are producing high levels of IgG4 antibodies in relation to the Spike protein

the Pro vaccine scientists are saying that "The clinical significance is not known" https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/16 ... 5448595456

However those scientists who have been warning about these injections from the beginning are saying otherwise

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-imm ... WrUSsgsjQo

https://veryvirology.substack.com/p/igg ... tch-end-of

Imagine bribing, mandating and even urging millions/billions people to take a product that wasn't fully understood on rollout
My wife's immune system is not working properly. She picks up everything and fights with it. She has no energy and brain fog. They call it long COVID. BULL CRAP. IT'S A DIRECT RESULT OF THE VACCINE SHE HAD TO TAKE TO KEEP HER JOB.

I know SOOOOO many people like that. It makes me CRAZY because most of them totally don't see what has happened to themselves and their family members. They call it LOOOOOOOONG COVID. They believe lies.
Who with a brain gets jabbed just to keep a job? Jobs are a dime a dozen.

One time I needed a job. I went to a company and applied. The guy said we are not hiring. I said I know but I want you to hire me anyway. I will create the money to pay me with. He asked How are you going to do that? I told him and he hired me.

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Fred wrote: January 30th, 2023, 10:34 am
[MODERATED] We have enough. Who with a brain gets jabbed just to keep a job? Jobs are a dime a dozen.
A little harsh, Fred. I get what you are implying because I tend to think in black or white also. I have to work at being kind to people who don't act or think like me. I hope it comes naturally to me some day.

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HereWeGo wrote: January 30th, 2023, 11:37 am
Fred wrote: January 30th, 2023, 10:34 am
[MODERATED] . We have enough. Who with a brain gets jabbed just to keep a job? Jobs are a dime a dozen.
A little harsh, Fred. I get what you are implying because I tend to think in black or white also. I have to work at being kind to people who don't act or think like me. I hope it comes naturally to me some day.
By the way, Idiot is a term I have used for a long time. My wife says I really should try to find another term. I haven't succeeded very well.

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Fred wrote: January 30th, 2023, 10:34 am [MODERATED]. We have enough. Who with a brain gets jabbed just to keep a job? Jobs are a dime a dozen.

One time I needed a job. I went to a company and applied. The guy said we are not hiring. I said I know but I want you to hire me anyway. I will create the money to pay me with. He asked How are you going to do that? I told him and he hired me.
Fred. He who knows all see's all and here's all. Judge and jury as well ah Freddie. We live in a very small community and are struggling farmers. In the off season one has to work and the jobs are very few. We didn't know the effects the vaccine poison was gonna have on her. [MODERATED].

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Seems like some of us need to have more empathy and compassion for others, especially during these times of increasing evil, tyranny, and propaganda.

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