Do those that followed the prophet have any sympathy for those injured by the jab

[cwass]

Maybe my experience is not reality but in several discussions with what I would describe as good, strong leaders in the church I've had a repeating experience that leads me to the following hypothesis:

Once you have committed to taking the jab and you are fully "following the prophet", you lose sympathy for the injured and dead people who died because of the vax.

One person responded with "I'd hate to see what would have happened if these injured people hadn't followed the prophet." That comment was followed up with "people are too concerned with their physical safety and neglect their spiritual safety." Another said "sure some people have been injured and died but there's always a few people that die with vaccines."

Those responses don't satisfy me. Seems insensitive at the least.

Anyone have similar experiences? Again, these are excellent people...good people willing to sacrifice for others generally.

Is there any way to reach people in an effective way? Or is it just the same as everything...plant seeds and wait... sometimes I just want to scream at people.

[cwass]

I should have stayed this post as: Do those that "followed the prophet".... Because I assume we all view following the prophet in a different way lately.

[EmmaLee]

None of the LDS people that I know (and ALL of the LDS people that I know in real life, other than my family and a couple siblings, are staunch "follow the prophet" types) attribute ANY of these sudden deaths or injuries to the vax. Zero. They blame them on everything and anything BUT the vax.

[Niemand]

They don't believe it has happened.

Just like when people talk about the economic crisis they tend to mention everything but the lockdowns as the cause. I mentioned this to people back in 2020 even though I initially backed a lockdown in the early days.

[The Red Pill]

Cognitive dissonance is really a mental illness in practical terms.

If 100 people in group "A" were told that the unknown man in the front of the room could be trusted explicitly, could not lead you astray and should be followed explicitly....then his advice injured or killed even one member of the group...the ENTIRE group would turn on and blame the unknown man.

But...if in group "B" you substitute the unknown man for RMN...and the 100 people are all TBMs... everything changes. Excuses are made, dots stay unconnected, critical thinking goes out the window and being an apologist is the order of the day.

I have seen the same with parents overlooking and making excuses for what EVERYONE else can see... A ROTTEN SELFISH KID.

I think it's a combination of self deception, pride, refusal to deal in reality, insecurity, lack of objectivity and lack of intellectual honesty.

A bitter soup of emotions and feelings...that turn otherwise intelligent people into fools.

[Theveilofforgetting]

Unfortunately feel like this from my mother.

She knows what happened with my oldest son. VI in 2004, still chronically ill.
Members (mother and daughter) we knew from the branch we attended in the 90s, post on FB about the dangers of vaccines.
She'll often comment about how they're anti vaxxers. I'm like ok, cool. Then once she exclaimed that "you are too!" You think there is any reason for that?! You think what my son has been through would maybe influence me? No sympathy.
My mother is very into the idea that we follow the laws of the land and if the church supports it, it's worthwhile. Trusts her doctors though understands issues with the medical system. I'd rather trust my instincts, especially when it comes to my children.

My daughter and my children's father also got the jabs. Interestingly (maybe) is that all 3 said they'd NEVER take it. Push came to shove and they folded. Not my daughter, but the other two started to be kind of nasty about it.

Makes it very difficult to trust people. You think they get it but people are complicated and they often contradict themselves (I include myself). That is the main thing I learned from the last few years.

[blitzinstripes]

None of the LDS people that I know (and ALL of the LDS people that I know in real life, other than my family and a couple siblings, are staunch "follow the prophet" types) attribute ANY of these sudden deaths or injuries to the vax. Zero. They blame them on everything and anything BUT the vax.

That's classic denial. Because SURELY the profit could not be wrong?

[blitzinstripes]

I broke down and got the single dose of the J&J at the threat of losing my job due to the mandate. It has been one of the deepest regrets of my life. The Lord told me to have faith and be patient and I caved to fear of the world.

Just two weeks after taking that jab, the mandate was overruled. And it was like a giant kick in the stomach. I knew I had faltered.

Since the jab I get bouts of nerve pain in my neck and the left shoulder (injection site). No other explanation. It comes and goes but it can suddenly flare and the pain is severe. I can't prove it is from the jab, but I have no other explanation.

I've had the CV at least 4 times now, twice before the jab and twice after. I know which herbs and vitamins to take to get through it. I don't believe the jab did a darned thing to actually help. Totally worthless and ineffective at the least, if not very harmful. Huge regret. Thankfully, I convinced my wife and children NOT to get the shots.

[cwass]

I broke down and got the single dose of the J&J at the threat of losing my job due to the mandate. It has been one of the deepest regrets of my life. The Lord told me to have faith and be patient and I caved to fear of the world.

Just two weeks after taking that jab, the mandate was overruled. And it was like a giant kick in the stomach. I knew I had faltered.

Since the jab I get bouts of nerve pain in my neck and the left shoulder (injection site). No other explanation. It comes and goes but it can suddenly flare and the pain is severe. I can't prove it is from the jab, but I have no other explanation.

I've had the CV at least 4 times now, twice before the jab and twice after. I know which herbs and vitamins to take to get through it. I don't believe the jab did a darned thing to actually help. Totally worthless and ineffective at the least, if not very harmful. Huge regret. Thankfully, I convinced my wife and children NOT to get the shots.

I'm sorry...I hate this story on a couple of levels.

It seems as if members of "Christ's church", would be more sympathetic to people that explain their vaccine injury. But I get the feeling that pointing it out too much is gonna get people angry and want truth tellers to be kicked out of the church, where I have stayed and intend to stay until I am kicked out or it's so obvious the ship is burning that I have to quickly jump out. In the meantime there are lots of great people that deserve someone to love them enough to tell them the truth in love. Ironically, it isn't working out great and makes people very uncomfortable that I'm not "following the prophet" when I try.

Feels like it will come to a head soonish.

[InfoWarrior82]

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commenta ... mbers-lds/

https://www.newsweek.com/utah-sees-vax- ... rt-1628088

https://universe.byu.edu/2021/10/13/the ... -vaccines/


You can't tell me that what the President of the Church and the rest of Q15 urged didn't have a very large effect on people shutting down their brains and bottling up the Holy Ghost and resolving to "follow the prophet".

"An act of faith", they reassured themselves. They were told, or assured themselves, that their feeling of deep spiritual hesitancy in many cases--- was actually the adversary trying to pull them away from the Iron Rod.


Yes, the church of Christ with be persecuted. But not everyone that is a Latter-Day Saint is in the church of Christ.

[cwass]

Wow, that article blames Ezra Taft Benson and the John Birch society for members not getting vaccinated....credit given where due I guess. The church has come a long way in 30 years hasn't it but from this article it sounds like etb is still in control of a large segment of the church. I love it.

[Say what?]

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If these scriptures were adhered to, we most likely would not have had THE LETTER. (The free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property and the protection of life.) Verse 2.

[David13]

I believe that governments are a necessary evil. But an evil none the less.

And so did the founding fathers of the United States of America and that is why they limited government. The entire idea of the American US of A system of government is that government is meant to be limited.

Now we all know that so few people continue to follow that idea today and believe that government is the creator, the end all and be all of all things.
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[Fred]

First of all, who is this prophet? If you mean the fraud that tells people to attempt suicide by getting jabbed, or the president of an organization that is partnered with every known satanic organization on earth, or the man who himself is a member of the purely satanic Skull and Bones, I would say you were delusional.

But aside from that, "follow the prophet" is not scriptural. Nowhere has God or Jesus ever said to do so. Not even Joseph Smith. In fact, it should be stated emphatically that anyone who does follow the profit has already made a conscious decision to abandon the word of God and thereby follow satan. Not only did God never suggest that we should follow the profit, He said that we should NOT follow any man. Following the prophet is the same as flipping God the bird. Even if he was a real prophet, we should follow God and not the man. Jesus said "Come follow me." If any other man says that, he is a fraud. The correct words would be "Follow Jesus to God. I will do my best to help you follow Jesus. Do not EVER follow me.

Now that we have clearly established that followers of the prophet are actually dedicated disciples of satan, it is not in the least surprising that they would not be sympathetic to people that did not partake of the satanic elixir. Hatred for God and all things good are what to expect from dedicated disciples of satan.

Take a piece of paper and draw a vertical line down the center from top to bottom. In every country on earth, satanic is on the left and right is on the right. Demons may tell you it is because the dems are seated on the left in congress, but that is merely further proof that evil is on the left. The right is on the right. Gee, is that hard to see?

Now, on the satanic side, write satan and on the right side, write Christ. Now, begin to list the actions of the Q15 that lie when they claim to be PSRs, and place that action on the right if Christ would do it and on the left if Lucifer would do it. There are no excuses allowed. It is purely black and white. Jesus did not commit a sin and justify it to appease a government.

Here are some actions to get started:
1. Make the Church of Jesus Christ subservient to government
2. Join the UN in an attempt to have one very evil man the one world government
3. Join the WEF to help implement Agenda 2030
4. Sponsor pride parades
5. Donate $10 million dollars to Black Lives Matter to fund riots, and the burning and looting of businesses
6. Donate millions to NAACP to promote racism and division
7. Openly express admiration for Hillary, Obama, and Biden
8. Belong to a satanic organization whose Luciferian purpose is the removal of freedoms aka democrat party
9. Donate money to help fund abortions
10. Change the words in the BoM to appease faggots and racists
11. Demand stricter covid mask compliance than government
12. Require an injection of a satanic potion that alters genes to spread the word of God
13. Demand that local leaders tell proven lies to prove loyalty to satan
14. Hire elite attorneys to protect child molesters
15. Refuse to help women with children living in a car
16. Refuse "The Chosen" to be used as a teaching aid in Seminary or Institute
17. Encourage people to vote for pricks like Mutt Romney
18. Use tithing for shopping malls instead of helping the needy
19. Order church owned media not to tell the truth
20. Declare things that God never said as the word of God (ie follow the profit)
21. Refuse to help the home;ess
22. Pretend that the words of Isaiah do not exist (ie drunkards of Ephraim)
23. Allow boys to pretend to be girls to share tents at camp
24. Add multiple choice to gender on church records
25. Lie about being politically neutral
26. Cover up or lie about church history
27. Allow an admitted satanist, socialist, democrat, Marxist, etc. to enter the temple
28. Allow the police to remove Emily from the St George temple without a warrant when she was not bothering anyone
29. Teach children that following satan is Christlike (brave enough to take the evil potion through injection)
30. Teach the lie that a mask can benefit a healthy person
31... Thousands more. Add your own

Gee, it seems that virtually all of the church actions are evil and not things that Jesus would do.

There is absolutely no excuse to keep promoting the jab in an effort to make millions of dollars by decreasing the population. God said to multiply and replenish the earth, not kill people to do the opposite. That alone proves that Russell M. Nelson is a fraud.

[ransomme]

None of the LDS people that I know (and ALL of the LDS people that I know in real life, other than my family and a couple siblings, are staunch "follow the prophet" types) attribute ANY of these sudden deaths or injuries to the vax. Zero. They blame them on everything and anything BUT the vax.

That's classic denial. Because SURELY the profit could not be wrong?

Follow the money

Great typo!

[Valo]

Maybe my experience is not reality but in several discussions with what I would describe as good, strong leaders in the church I've had a repeating experience that leads me to the following hypothesis:

Once you have committed to taking the jab and you are fully "following the prophet", you lose sympathy for the injured and dead people who died because of the vax.

One person responded with "I'd hate to see what would have happened if these injured people hadn't followed the prophet." That comment was followed up with "people are too concerned with their physical safety and neglect their spiritual safety." Another said "sure some people have been injured and died but there's always a few people that die with vaccines."

Those responses don't satisfy me. Seems insensitive at the least.

Anyone have similar experiences? Again, these are excellent people...good people willing to sacrifice for others generally.

Is there any way to reach people in an effective way? Or is it just the same as everything...plant seeds and wait... sometimes I just want to scream at people.

cwass warning your psyche is going to resist what I say...

But we have been under a hypnotic trance and under subconscious isolation for decades now. All of society has been kept under what is for all intents and purposes a spell. The reason why you see seemingly good strong people not hearing or seeing the truth and if they do not caring is because they have been programmed to isolate themselves from their own behavior and the consequences of certain actions.

Many, countless millions, also have moved forward and have begun to employ the same SI and H methods on unders under their sphere of influence and so they are bound by their acts to this hellish state as they prosper from the harm, death, and chaos they have contributed too.

The scope and scale is beyond what you are likely willing to believe or accept because it is so horrible. I struggle to comprehend the true scale of the hidden society whose works are in darkness.

You are going to have to take a stand sooner or later.

Hope to find each other on the right side.

...

[buffalo_girl]

RS lesson - based on recent GC talks - was a well organized & open discussion on the spiritual necessity of utilizing Faith through Life’s hardest trials.

“Follow the Prophet” was used repeatedly as the watchword.

I don’t usually pipe in during meetings, but after no mention of direct heavenly help, I felt compelled to say that our relationship with Jesus & being worthy to receive ongoing counsel through the Holy Spirit should be our first priority.

The response to that ‘suggestion’ was, “Yes, that way we will be able to know what the prophet says is true”. I had the sense that consulting with the Lord was secondary to “following the prophet”.

I then asked, “If the power grid is dismantled making it impossible to use the internet, even with localized power sources, HOW will you know what the Prophet is advising?”

Something to consider.

[iWriteStuff]

RS lesson - based on recent GC talks - was a well organized & open discussion on the spiritual necessity of utilizing Faith through Life’s hardest trials.

“Follow the Prophet” was used repeatedly as the watchword.

I don’t usually pipe in during meetings, but after no mention of direct heavenly help, I felt compelled to say that our relationship with Jesus & being worthy to receive ongoing counsel through the Holy Spirit should be our first priority.

The response to that ‘suggestion’ was, “Yes, that way we will be able to know what the prophet says is true”. I had the sense that consulting with the Lord was secondary to “following the prophet”.

I then asked, “If the power grid is dismantled making it impossible to use the internet, even with localized power sources, HOW will you know what the Prophet is advising?”

Something to consider.

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I'd also like to add that anyone who asserts that no man called of God can make mistakes in their ministry is clearly overlooking all the many cases in the Bible when that is exactly what happened. The point of such stories is to remind us how flawed and imperfect we are, and how much we need to rely on God alone.

TBMs need to put down the conference talks and read their scriptures for a while.

[buffalo_girl]

Although raised in the church, my early life experiences were not typical TBM. My mom was a single parent convert post WWII. My extended family members were from several belief systems, including agnostic. Politics offered lively topics of conversation at family gatherings. No fights!

Because of my broad exposure to political theory & current events during the Cold War era, I relegated all politics to manipulation of the hoi palloi. I blew off Ezra Taft Benson’s politics as easily as Nikita Krushchev’s.

Benson’s politics has no bearing on my health decisions.