Russell M. Nelson: Prophet or Shyster

[madvin]

What would “otherwise” mean? Seems to me he is either a prophet or a false one. How could there be anything in between that?

[cyclOps]

I believe he is the prophet. The error I see from others is that they expect prophets to be perfect in everything they say and do.

I manifested my sustainment of President Russell M Nelson, his councilors, and the 12 apostles today in stake conference.

[Robin Hood]

Neither.
He is president of the Church.

Which means false prophet, because he's not just claiming to be president, he also claims to be an actual prophet.

If he were only a president, why are all members required to sustain him as a prophet. So, please go change your vote.

Not changing my vote.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I believe he is the prophet. The error I see from others is that they expect prophets to be perfect in everything they say and do.

The church teaches that they will be perfect, that God will not allow them to lead the church astray. Oh, except for when they do lead the church astray and they say “oopsie, we’re not perfect.”

They speak with a forked tongue.

[Reluctant Watchman]

What do you call a man and organization that teaches the exact opposite of what is taught by the Savior in the scriptures?

[Subcomandante]

Neither.
He is president of the Church.

But HE claims to be a Prophet, and the church he's president of requires you to affirm 7x per year his status as a Prophet.

7x ?

Ward conference
Stake conference x2
General Conference
TR interview (every other year)

I'm missing the other 2.5 times...

[Subcomandante]

What do you call a man and organization that teaches the exact opposite of what is taught by the Savior in the scriptures?

The Book of Mormon has a phrase of that. Church of the Devil.

However what the Scriptures actually say and what "Reluctant Watchman's" opinion on what the Scriptures say, are two different things.

[InfoWarrior82]

Why don't we just use the measuring stick Jesus Christ gave us to determine when a man who claims to be a prophet of God, is actually a prophet of God?

I know of no other way to do so.

[Reluctant Watchman]

What do you call a man and organization that teaches the exact opposite of what is taught by the Savior in the scriptures?

The Book of Mormon has a phrase of that. Church of the Devil.

However what the Scriptures actually say and what "Reluctant Watchman's" opinion on what the Scriptures say, are two different things.

Haha, whatever Sub. If you can't see the contradictions, then I honestly pray for you. I don't expect anyone to understand how the HG speaks to my heart and mind.

I actually take a different stance than you btw. There is truth in the church. If they'd just openly admit that they've contradicted the gospel, that would at least be a starting place. But the church has a helluva lot of explaining to do. They move further into apostasy every time they distort the word of the Lord and His gospel.

[JK4Woods]

He is a man trying to do his best who lived long enough to become President/CEO of the Corporation of the of TCoJCoLDS and all its subsidiaries.

There… fixed it for you…

I might add, that all leaders of corporations have a fiduciary responsibility to maintain and increase the public confidence, image and stock value of their corporations.

Never in the history of corporate business in the modern era, has an CEO renounced the very tenets of their business plan and turned about in a completely different direction.

Maintaining and growing the business is the only focus.

(….I wonder if Christ’s church Peter was in charge of, has corporate structure and legal standing with Rome and all other regional political rulers…)

[MikeMaillet]

It took me a while to appreciate the difference between the church as being a group of like-minded followers of Christ and the corporate church. There was a time when I was eager to bring a friend to church but I no longer feel that way. The difficulty I now face is trying to convince people that the Book of Mormon is divine truth. As soon as I mention the Book of Mormon it is the corporate image of the church that will spring to mind and/or the Broadway play. I ask myself, if I was truly seeking Christ would I spend much time in Mormondom? Malls, money, statue worship, money, loosey-goosey morals, glitz, poverty... know'm sayin'?

BUT, no matter what we may say about the church leadership it will be a testament against us Gentiles that we have chosen to live the gospel of prosperity instead of living where everything is in common and there are no poor. I always go back to Isaiah chapter 1 where Jehovah is challenging us to put Him to the test regarding the less fortunate. It is as if He is yelling at us, trying to wake us up.

Take a look out the window and what do you see? Does the world resemble more like verse 19 or more like verse 20?

Just sayin',

Mike

Isaiah 1

17) Learn to do good: demand justice,
stand up for the oppressed;
plead the cause of the fatherless,
appeal on behalf of the widow.

18) Come now, let us put it to the test,
says Jehovah:
though your sins are as scarlet,
they can be made white as snow;
though they have reddened as crimson,
they may become white as wool.

19) If you are willing and obey,
you shall eat the good of the land.

20) But if you are unwilling and disobey,
you shall be eaten by the sword.
By his mouth Jehovah has spoken it.

[RosyPosy]

It took me a while to appreciate the difference between the church as being a group of like-minded followers of Christ and the corporate church. There was a time when I was eager to bring a friend to church but I no longer feel that way. The difficulty I now face is trying to convince people that the Book of Mormon is divine truth. As soon as I mention the Book of Mormon it is the corporate image of the church that will spring to mind and/or the Broadway play. I ask myself, if I was truly seeking Christ would I spend much time in Mormondom? Malls, money, statue worship, money, loosey-goosey morals, glitz, poverty... know'm sayin'?

I noticed that to be the case with the BOM. It's difficult to separate it from the organization. Something that does not seem to be the case with the Bible.

[Light Seeker]

What do you call a man and organization that teaches the exact opposite of what is taught by the Savior in the scriptures?

An Anti - Christ …

[Reluctant Watchman]

What do you call a man and organization that teaches the exact opposite of what is taught by the Savior in the scriptures?

An Anti - Christ …

You said the quiet part out loud.

[Light Seeker]

What do you call a man and organization that teaches the exact opposite of what is taught by the Savior in the scriptures?

An Anti - Christ …

You said the quiet part out loud.

I hate it when I do that ….

[FoxMammaWisdom]

He's a covert inverted gender elite, like the rest of the elites in the trillionaire club influencing the world.

Once people realize this part, Rusty pushing the church on board with the LGBTQ+#*%£¶∆trans agenda makes SO MUCH more sense.

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https://youtu.be/ynJgU5qnkig

[Niemand]

I noticed that to be the case with the BOM. It's difficult to separate it from the organization. Something that does not seem to be the case with the Bible.

I encountered the Book of Mormon first in a library years before any serious dealings with the organisation. I knew no LDS, and I think my only prior contact with the church was two very tired American missionaries in southern France who were just glad to speak English for a change to several schoolboys who happened to be passing. I did ask them if they were Mormons, but don't remember their response.

So I first read it and I first read the Koran around the same time. I was a bit young to appreciate it in some ways and the way I pronounced many names in it was very different from how the church does. Helaman was "Hell-a-mun", Nephi was "Ne-fee" etc. To be fair, the Friberg illustrations helped. But I was able to form my own impression of it, free from the missionaries. It was very different from how i see it now. I read it a bit more as an adventure story, which I would never do now. I read it entirely separated from any notions about Pres. Benson, temples & sealings, the D&C, had never set foot in an LDS chapel or anything like that.

[CaptainM]

Prophet.
Not infallible, is our premise.

And I would simply add that the appearance of evil does not prove the existence of evil.

I worry there are going to be many who judge prematurely, and without sufficient knowledge, and will find themselves in a sticky position at some point due to their unwillingness to allow God to do His work before we form final judgments.

It isn't just their incredible stupidity about the shot. The evidence is clear. So to continue the charade is pure evil.

But this goes back before they were even born. Back in the war in heaven. When a third part followed Lucifer. A different third part decided Jesus was right and the Father's plan was a good one. The remaining third part was undecided, but chose what they thought was the best of both worlds. Have their cake and eat it too. They decided to pretend to follow God's plan and get a body because it gave them the freedom to continue to follow Lucifer.

We know this is true because only a demented spirit would be a democrat, which the Q15 are. They chose to follow satan a very long time ago. No follower of Christ believes in forced actions like Lucifer. Spirits that are not demented believe in freedom. The democratic mantra is word for word the words spoken to God by Lucifer. It simply is not possible for a believer in freedom to be a democrat, socialist, Marxist, communist, etc. These very evil pricks believe in being forced to pay labor union dues, property tax, infringements on the second amendment, unconstitutional laws, etc. They actually believe that it is for our own good.

Russell M. Nelson has been groomed for this job for 90 years. He was always a Luciferian. It is who he is. He hates God for kicking his pal Lucifer out. Everything he does and says is an act. A script. Approved by lawyers.

If he had anything but pure hatred for the Almighty God, he would get on his knees in General Conference and beg forgiveness. Forgiveness from the people he murdered. Forgiveness from the congregation for being such an evil prick and full of deceit. Forgiveness for joining the UN, WEF, secret Clergy Response Team. forgiveness for ordering KSL to spread lies and kill people on purpose, and forgiveness from God for leading his children to hell.

Fred, Very much appreciate your thoughts. In conjunction with your above post the following may show that I agree with you in a very comprehensive way...
https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/ ... nd-estate/

[RosyPosy]

I noticed that to be the case with the BOM. It's difficult to separate it from the organization. Something that does not seem to be the case with the Bible.

I encountered the Book of Mormon first in a library years before any serious dealings with the organisation. I knew no LDS, and I think my only prior contact with the church was two very tired American missionaries in southern France who were just glad to speak English for a change to several schoolboys who happened to be passing. I did ask them if they were Mormons, but don't remember their response.

So I first read it and I first read the Koran around the same time. I was a bit young to appreciate it in some ways and the way I pronounced many names in it was very different from how the church does. Helaman was "Hell-a-mun", Nephi was "Ne-fee" etc. To be fair, the Friberg illustrations helped. But I was able to form my own impression of it, free from the missionaries. It was very different from how i see it now. I read it a bit more as an adventure story, which I would never do now. I read it entirely separated from any notions about Pres. Benson, temples & sealings, the D&C, had never set foot in an LDS chapel or anything like that.

In my opinion that is the best initial perception anyone can have of the Book of Mormon. In the future I plan to find copies that do not have the organization name printed on it.

[Niemand]

In my opinion that is the best initial perception anyone can have of the Book of Mormon. In the future I plan to find copies that do not have the organization name printed on it.

There are a few editions available. The CoC do one, it is available on WikiSource and I think a Penguin edition.

[LDS Physician]

Prophet.
Not infallible, is our premise.

I'm just curious if that's how the parents of the 16 year old who read that FP letter and then had him take the immunization and then die within 48 hours should feel about the "prophets, seers, and revelators". Now repeat this situation thousands of times.

"Well, he's not infallible!"

These immunizations are already responsible for killing many thousands of people and the damage isn't finished happening.

When does fallibility cross into the realm of you're-not-in-contact-with-God?

I personally think that line was crossed.

Should those parents believe the self-professed mantra "The prophet can't lead you astray?" I'd argue they were led astray and they'd agree.

If that wasn't enough ... they're inviting gay choirs to sing on temple grounds and publicly approving laws that give sodomites the right to marry in the Promised Land. Is this an infallibility hiccup as well?

Heck, I'm not a prophet or seer or revelator and I knew immediately that the vaccines weren't good and should be avoided. I'm not a prophet seer or revelator and I know gay choirs shouldn't be singing on temple grounds nor should they be marrying in the Promised Land.

How difficult is this?

[SempiternalHarbinger]

Nelson is a Bonesman/Brotherhood of Death. Enough said. At best, he is seriously compromised, and at worst, he is more than a false prophet. And the punishment for refusing favors from fellow Bonesman, and not going along with their secret and abominable agenda is... death. Unless he happens to be the most powerful Bonesman in the world and has all the dirty secrets of his fellow Bonesman. But it's clear he is following suit with other fellow Bonesman and explains the direction of the church. Nelson should have to answer all these tough questions in this and other threads to clear the air but we all know he can't. Plus he is beyond reproach. What we do know is the church is using all its power, influence, and money to build up everything we are to be fighting against. To hell with the Redemption of Zion and hail to the New World Order.

The Brotherhood of Death is perfectly summed up in Ether 8:14 And it came to pass that they all sware unto him, by the God of heaven, and also by the heavens, and also by the earth, and by their heads, that whoso should vary from the assistance which Akish desired should lose his head; and whoso should divulge whatsoever thing Akish made known unto them, the same should lose his life.

Nelson is more than compromised.

Ether 8:18 And it came to pass that they formed a secret combination, even as they of old; which combination is most abominable and wicked above all, in the sight of God;

I'm sorry, I just can't envision God choosing a man that has taken oaths in a secret satanic society that he forbids and condemns to lead his church, especially considering God's words on the matter ( most abominable and wicked above all, in the sight of God). But one thing is for certain, we know Nelson will never talk about it. But it sure does explain why the church is neck deep in Babylon the Great, strengthening the hands of the evildoers, and buildeth up secret combinations who "seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies;" (V 25) Please.

[Jason]

Owl n Key club…not the Bones. Also like CFR and compartmentalized…need to know…levels of Masonry…circles within circles…etc. In other words completely naive innocents can rub shoulders with the nefarious without knowing in such circles…

Needless to say not much if anything of any real importance…

Only real strike if you will is playing the politics on Covid…which was a government op…so opposing was essentially opposing elected government…not to mention global implications on a global membership…

But to each their own on it…

[Reluctant Watchman]

Heck, I'm not a prophet or seer or revelator and I knew immediately that the vaccines weren't good and should be avoided. I'm not a prophet seer or revelator and I know gay choirs shouldn't be singing on temple grounds nor should they be marrying in the Promised Land.

BTW, you check more boxes on the definition of “prophet” than these men:

1: one who utters divinely inspired revelations
2: one gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insight
3: one who foretells future events : PREDICTOR
4: an effective or leading spokesman for a cause, doctrine, or group

[Reluctant Watchman]

Owl n Key club…not the Bones. Also like CFR and compartmentalized…need to know…levels of Masonry…circles within circles…etc. In other words completely naive innocents can rub shoulders with the nefarious without knowing in such circles…

There is a connection between both clubs: (Skull/Bones & Owl/Key)

“In contrast to the secrecy that the club holds today, on March 28, 1940, The Utah Chronicle’s front page read, “Skull and Bones Honors 11 Prominent Juniors.” In this article two University of Utah students, Joe Dyer and Glen Craig, were selected for Owl and Key membership. The Utonian, the University of Utah’s yearbook, even has a page dedicated to the Skull and Bones Bonesmen with a list of names and their yearbook photos for the 1934 Junior Bonesmen.”

https://utahcommhistory.com/2018/12/18/ ... y-of-utah/