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Can Christians support the death penalty?

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Niemand wrote: January 9th, 2023, 5:19 am We do not live in godly countries. Recent events have proven that. It's getting worse. What will people start being executed for? Promoting misinformation? Knowingly spreading Covid (or whatever is in fashion)?
Christianity. According to Revelation it will be Christians, just as in the days of the early church. :(

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Wondering Wendy wrote: January 9th, 2023, 5:51 am
Niemand wrote: January 9th, 2023, 5:19 am We do not live in godly countries. Recent events have proven that. It's getting worse. What will people start being executed for? Promoting misinformation? Knowingly spreading Covid (or whatever is in fashion)?
Christianity. According to Revelation it will be Christians, just as in the days of the early church. :(
I am hoping that will be further down the line, but there are some parts of the world that already have the death penalty for converting to Christianity.

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There is a difference between killing and murder.

Killing in self-defense is not murder.
Killing as a punishment meet for certain crimes is not murder.

In principle, it may be justified, but in practice, perhaps we should not support the death penalty because of abuses and because of corrupt practices and institutions.

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Niemand wrote: January 9th, 2023, 5:19 am
simpleton wrote: January 9th, 2023, 5:04 am Yes yes yes, Christians absolutely should support the death penalty, period, for the crimes that apply. And it is because of no death penalty, In México for example, that the worst forms of devils in the flesh flourish.
The idea of "life in prison" for heinous crimes is pathetic, it is a disservice to the community, infact it is an insult to the victims and to society. Joseph was against most incarceration, he figured kill the ones that deserved it and make the rest pay back their crimes. But you take most people that are murderers, and others of like criminals, and give them life in prison, you do them no favors. Most just turn out worse. The founding fathers had it right, Isreal had it right. If there is no fear of punishment, society goes nuts, like we are today.
China also has the death penalty, which it hands out lightly. It is one of the most brutal and dictatorial societies on Earth. The difference is that it is the state doing most of the brutalising.

Even so, China does have problems with non-state organised massacres. There have been a number of incidents in recent decades where men enter schools and other institutions and proceed to go round stabbing children. It is their school-shooting equivalent.

In the twentieth century, China was so effective with its death penalty that between that and mass starvation it managed to kill off seventy million people.

I wonder why I bother using search engines, because they are just links to Wikipedia, but here's what it has to say:
The number of executions has dropped steadily in the 2000s, and significantly since 2007, when the Supreme People's Court regained the power to review all death sentences; for instance, the Dui Hua Foundation estimates that China executed 12,000 people in 2002, 6,500 people in 2007, and roughly 2,400 in 2013 and 2014
Given the choice of being a citizen of the PRC or of Mexico, I'd take Mexico given all its issues. The difference is perhaps that Mexico's death penalty is generally handed out by crimelords and not the state.

China uses death row prisoners as a source of organs and see them as slabs of meat. Must be big bucks in that. So be careful what you wish for. There are organ shortages in the USA and elsewhere. What happens when death row people are seen as a potential source? More people get put onto death row!
In December 2005, China's deputy health minister Huang Jiefu admitted that the country harvested organs from executed prisoners. In 2009, Chinese authorities acknowledged that two-thirds of organ transplants in the country could be traced back to executed prisoners.
We do not live in godly countries. Recent events have proven that. It's getting worse. What will people start being executed for? Promoting misinformation? Knowingly spreading Covid (or whatever is in fashion)?
Well we are not talking about nations that abuse it, but rather if it is appropriate to use it, or rather if Christians can support it. Yes we can. Nations that abuse it for organ harvesting is diabolical. But nations that forbid it to the point of victims not receiving justice, (like mexico) is terrible. Mercy cannot rob justice. After the full demands of justice are met then mercy can be applied. Spilled Innocent blood cry's from the ground for justice in cases of murder. And no life sentence can wipe it clean, imo. And when society just does a slap on the wrist or a light sentence on the perpetrator, society shares in that murder, or rather takes some responsibility and will also face justice.

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ransomme wrote: January 9th, 2023, 5:56 am There is a difference between killing and murder.

Killing in self-defense is not murder.
Killing as a punishment meet for certain crimes is not murder.

In principle, it may be justified, but in practice, perhaps we should not support the death penalty because of abuses and because of corrupt practices and institutions.
I agree that reasonable self-defence is acceptable. But the emphasis here is on "reasonable". Some such cases are questionable. We talk a lot about violent home invasions and burglars getting killed – usually I'd sympathise with that.

However I can think of a case a few years ago where I saw a friend's neighbour had left her front door open and her handbag/purse lying around outside on the street. This was in the city, not the countryside. None of her lights were on. We called the police and they went in and found her in bed, drunk. But it looked like something bad had happened, and some of her neighbours wanted to go into her home and check up on her. If that had happened and she had shot them, that's more borderline.

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simpleton wrote: January 9th, 2023, 6:20 am Well we are not talking about nations that abuse it, but rather if it is appropriate to use it, or rather if Christians can support it. Yes we can. Nations that abuse it for organ harvesting is diabolical. But nations that forbid it to the point of victims not receiving justice, (like mexico) is terrible. Mercy cannot rob justice. After the full demands of justice are met then mercy can be applied. Spilled Innocent blood cry's from the ground for justice in cases of murder. And no life sentence can wipe it clean, imo. And when society just does a slap on the wrist or a light sentence on the perpetrator, society shares in that murder, or rather takes some responsibility and will also face justice.
If you're talking about the USA, that is a country which within the last two years has banned people from.going to church when nearby casinos were open (Nevada), banned religious gatherings outright for a while, fired people from their jobs for not getting Covid shots and which also raided a religious compound in Waco, setting it on fire and only years later released the relevant evidence.

The USA is not the clean cut country people may think it. Nor is this one, nor many others. It currently "executes" foetuses by the thousand and then uses their cell-lines to produce commercial medical products.
Spilled Innocent blood cry's from the ground for justice in cases of murder.
It may well do, but governments not only execute innocent people, they can struggle to find the person who did it in many cases, for whatever reason.

If someone shoots three bystanders in front of dozens of witnesses that's one thing. But if someone is murdered, there are no witnesses and the body is never found then that is a whole different kettle of fish... and there are plenty of cases like that.

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Niemand wrote: January 9th, 2023, 6:24 am
ransomme wrote: January 9th, 2023, 5:56 am There is a difference between killing and murder.

Killing in self-defense is not murder.
Killing as a punishment meet for certain crimes is not murder.

In principle, it may be justified, but in practice, perhaps we should not support the death penalty because of abuses and because of corrupt practices and institutions.
I agree that reasonable self-defence is acceptable. But the emphasis here is on "reasonable". Some such cases are questionable. We talk a lot about violent home invasions and burglars getting killed – usually I'd sympathise with that.

However I can think of a case a few years ago where I saw a friend's neighbour had left her front door open and her handbag/purse lying around outside on the street. This was in the city, not the countryside. None of her lights were on. We called the police and they went in and found her in bed, drunk. But it looked like something bad had happened, and some of her neighbours wanted to go into her home and check up on her. If that had happened and she had shot them, that's more borderline.
That wouldn't actually be self-defense but it would obviously be a big tragic mistake.

I also don't find it the most plausible. If I was checking on a situation with a neighbor like that I would consistantly announce myself and call out to the neighbor.

It's not a bad idea to load the first shot with a blank, in case of a mistake. Then the second with rock salt for nonlethal. and if you have to fire a third then it is on...

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Death penalty for all of the above, and especially for infanticide, abortion, etc, by any means.
I even believe that because of the terrible countless multiple millions, (billions)? Of intentional butchery of our offspring, that the sword of justice of an highly offended God hangs over us now in this nation. No wonder He states that there will be no flesh left, hardly, just a few. We have universally accepted, that it is normal to murder our offspring. Yet no death penalty. Well, God is about to enforce His own death penalty.

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h_p wrote: January 8th, 2023, 9:03 am
technomagus wrote: January 7th, 2023, 7:08 pm I used to strongly support the death penalty. As I got older I realized that the level of corruption in our local, state and federal governments is off the charts and anyone can get railroaded. I don't think the death penalty is appropriate anymore. Life incarceration is enough.
Me, too. There are crimes heinous enough that I feel absolutely justifies the death penalty. But giving that kind of power to a government is very problematic. And especially in light of how many people have been wrongfully convicted of a crime, I've become very hesitant about it.

Silver Pie mentioned rape. Yes, definitely a terrible crime. But how many men's lives have been destroyed just by the accusation? The line gets very blurry, and the slope gets slippery pretty quick. A woman, regretting her decision to consensual sex the night before, wakes up and accuses her partner of rape. All the physical evidence is there--what's the guy to do? Boom, he finds himself swinging from a rope.

If we could guarantee no innocent person is ever put to death, and no guilty person killed for a crime not worthy of death, I'd be behind it 100%. But if you think either is possible, you're living in dreamland.
Men worrying more about false accusations instead of helping women and children being abused are part of the problem. How many times have you been raped sir? False accusations account for between 2 and 10% of reports. (Go ahead and look it up.) That means 90 to 98% of reports are not false and are real victims trying to get real help.

90 to 98% of us are not getting the help we need when we are victimized because somebody's worried about false reports and we are treated like liars before we're treated like victims.

Maybe we should all worry about the 90 to 98% victims who are actually being raped and abused instead of the very very very few who are falsely accused and even fewer who are actually falsely convicted.

And on that note and with a twist, go ahead and put the woman in front of me who raped and abused my special needs son. The law won't do a damn thing, she's also a licensed foster care worker. She also has frontal lobe damage from some military accident that took her empathy Center away so she's a clinical psychopath. But they made her a foster care worker anyway, because hello? Who do you think runs the system?!

And my position on pedophiles and rapists is that they deserve the PIT. The problem is the system that supports the criminals who run our society instead of protecting people, and people who are too scared to stand up for victims cuz they're scared of their own @#$ getting hurt or in trouble. EXACTLY why my ex-husband wouldn't stand up for his own son - afraid he's going to be accused instead of protecting his own child from his psychopath wife. Spineless scared man wouldn't even go to bat for his own child cuz he was scared of being accused himself.

Heavenly Father built the PIT/PERDITION for people who hurt others. I see no need to waste resources keeping pedophiles and rapists alive when they're just using our resources before they go to the PIT. And I'm sorry but is someone who could do that stuff even human? Maybe we should consider that somewhere in there... What actually makes up a human? 🤔

Big fat hearty YESSIR 💯 death penalty for pedophiles and rapists. I believe rape and pedophilia are deliberately excused in this society and the opposite should be happening. And there's no damn excuse, it isn't as if you trip and fall and accidentally rape somebody - a child - maybe read up on the psychology of rapists if you haven't. I question if they're human.

If people were put to death for those crimes they wouldn't freaking be doing them as often and people would be safe in our own homes. Better yet if I took care of the job for myself and my family we all would have been MUCH safer the last 50 years. SO glad my state became constitutional carry. 86 lb woman will take care of the job next time. 🤷‍♀️

Nobody is safe at this point because lucky us - we live in a world that supports rapists and pedophiles EVEN AT CHURCH, because that's who's running it, and everyone's too afraid to do a damn thing about it. Brush it under the carpet. They even made a legal loophole so grownups can get with 11-year-olds in California now. 😭

Yep death penalty 💯. (Whether those rapists and pedophiles are male or female. Or some other non-human thing.)

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On a different note doesn't every Christian who believes Jesus had to die for our sins support the death penalty? I don't believe he did but a lot of people do believe that. I believe the thing people understand as the atonement, happened in the garden.

Jesus was murdered... That happened separately. There was no directive from Heaven for him to die in order to complete the atonement process. The sacrifice wasn't his death, that wasn't the point - that's what the Romans who started the Catholic Church pretended was the point so they could get away with murdering him.

So how come people support Jesus getting the death penalty when he didn't even need to die? He was murdered. That wasn't the atonement.....🤷‍♀️🤔

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FoxMammaWisdom wrote: January 9th, 2023, 9:35 am Men worrying more about false accusations instead of helping women and children being abused are part of the problem. How many times have you been raped sir? False accusations account for between 2 and 10% of reports. (Go ahead and look it up.) That means 90 to 98% of reports are not false and are real victims trying to get real help.
That would be 2-10% of rapes where a falsely accused, innocent person is put to death. I'm not ok with that. That doesn't mean I don't care about women and children. That's just silly.

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h_p wrote: January 9th, 2023, 10:55 am
FoxMammaWisdom wrote: January 9th, 2023, 9:35 am Men worrying more about false accusations instead of helping women and children being abused are part of the problem. How many times have you been raped sir? False accusations account for between 2 and 10% of reports. (Go ahead and look it up.) That means 90 to 98% of reports are not false and are real victims trying to get real help.
That would be 2-10% of rapes where a falsely accused, innocent person is put to death. I'm not ok with that. That doesn't mean I don't care about women and children. That's just silly.
No that's how many are accused NOT convicted. Hardly anyone is actually falsely convicted of those crimes. You have to convince a judge and jury and entire legal team and pay for and go through an insane legal and emotional and financial and time and life consuming production in order to have somebody falsely convicted. Hardly anybody actually does that.

Too bad for the 98%, who are actually victims not getting help because somebody's worried about the tiny tiny tiny tiny amount of people falsely convicted. Guess what? People are falsely accused of murder all the time too. People are falsely accused of all kinds of things. So funny this one is the thing everyone worries about being accused of instead of helping the victims 🤔🤷‍♀️

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FoxMammaWisdom wrote: January 9th, 2023, 11:03 am No that's how many are accused NOT convicted. Hardly anyone is actually falsely convicted of those crimes. You have to convince a judge and jury and entire legal team and pay for and go through an insane legal and emotional and financial and time and life consuming production in order to have somebody falsely convicted. Hardly anybody actually does that.

Too bad for the 98%, who are actually victims not getting help because somebody's worried about the tiny tiny tiny tiny amount of people falsely convicted. Guess what? People are falsely accused of murder all the time too. People are falsely accused of all kinds of things. So funny this one is the thing everyone worries about being accused of instead of helping the victims 🤔🤷‍♀️
First, you have no way of knowing how many were falsely convicted.

And if I happen to be that tiny tiny amount of people falsely convicted and facing death for something I didn't do, I'd say it's kind of a big deal. I only used rape as an example because that's the one Silver Pie brought up. C'mon, you seriously think I'm getting all wrapped around the axle over the death penalty because I secretly think we should be allowed to go around freely raping women and children with no consequence or something?

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Niemand wrote: January 8th, 2023, 8:38 am I'm not a fan of it because the law gets it wrong frequently. Yes, there are cases where someone is seen by multiple people doing something but a lot of the time they aren't. There are multiple cases where people lie or have mistaken identity.

There are many people who have been executed and then found to be innocent later. There is no comeback.

If you're rich like OJ Simpson you get a good defence. If you're poor you don't.

That's one reason I oppose it.

When God enacts death he knows all angles. Human law doesn't.
I have thought about this argument but before I address it directly, I would point out that I believe that the first obligation of human government (law) is to protect the innocent. The second obligation is to punish the guilty.

To argue that governments should not have obligations or law because they cannot exercise such obligations and laws without making errors – is (pardon the phrase) the greater error. A society, even of beasts cannot exist without obligations that bind them. Dissolving obligations because of any error can only result in dissolving of any and all societies.

Some argue that it is best to free 99 guilty murders rather than allow one innocent to be put to death. This is unbelievable bad mathematics. I would rather be put to death (sacrificed of myself) as innocent than to allow one murder to realized there is no consequences for their action in a society that in essences encourages (openly allows) that they, for whatever excuse, continue with homicidal tendencies. Why would anyone want to circulate 99 undeterred murders among their friends and family – especially children. Such looks a lot like misplaced human values.

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h_p wrote: January 9th, 2023, 11:26 am
FoxMammaWisdom wrote: January 9th, 2023, 11:03 am No that's how many are accused NOT convicted. Hardly anyone is actually falsely convicted of those crimes. You have to convince a judge and jury and entire legal team and pay for and go through an insane legal and emotional and financial and time and life consuming production in order to have somebody falsely convicted. Hardly anybody actually does that.

Too bad for the 98%, who are actually victims not getting help because somebody's worried about the tiny tiny tiny tiny amount of people falsely convicted. Guess what? People are falsely accused of murder all the time too. People are falsely accused of all kinds of things. So funny this one is the thing everyone worries about being accused of instead of helping the victims 🤔🤷‍♀️
First, you have no way of knowing how many were falsely convicted.

And if I happen to be that tiny tiny amount of people falsely convicted and facing death for something I didn't do, I'd say it's kind of a big deal. I only used rape as an example because that's the one Silver Pie brought up. C'mon, you seriously think I'm getting all wrapped around the axle over the death penalty because I secretly think we should be allowed to go around freely raping women and children with no consequence or something?
Okay you're trying to twist this into me wanting to kill innocent people. I want the death penalty for pedophiles and rapists. Obviously guilty ones not innocent ones. Are there any innocent pedophiles and rapists? Okay then.

Obviously I wouldn't want that for somebody innocent. Now if you want to argue about the vetting system that's another thread right?

MY point is I believe pedophiles and rapists should put to death. And I believe citizens who take care of that job on behalf of their family members or others being victimized, are acting righteously.

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FoxMammaWisdom wrote: January 9th, 2023, 11:58 am Okay you're trying to twist this into me wanting to kill innocent people. I want the death penalty for pedophiles and rapists. Obviously guilty ones not innocent ones. Are there any innocent pedophiles and rapists? Okay then.

Obviously I wouldn't want that for somebody innocent. Now if you want to argue about the vetting system that's another thread right?

MY point is I believe pedophiles and rapists should put to death. And I believe citizens who take care of that job on behalf of their family members or others being victimized, are acting righteously.
Sorry, I'm not trying to twist anything. Maybe we're just talking past each other.

And yes, I'm arguing about the vetting system, because when we're talking about "the death penalty," to me that's referring to criminal punishment under an established law and system of government. And I think saying that I'm against the death penalty does not in any way imply that I'm OK with crimes against women and children. I think the whole legal system of criminal punishment gets very thorny, and that's where almost all the issues are--in the vetting. Having a theoretical discussion about what should be done to someone for a given crime is kind of trivial and not very interesting. Might as well just ask "should bad people be punished?" I think everybody agrees on that one.

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Thanks for all the responses - and an interesting discussion.

I appreciate the question is very (maybe too) binary and I did think about blurring the issue with more qualifiers, but then I thought - no, it IS a binary. In the final analysis we either believe in the death penalty or we don't'

I have a couple of follow up questions.

1- how do those supporting the death penalty reconcile this with Jesus's message to turn the other cheek and meet violence and hate with pure LOVE?

2- yes, God has the right to bestow or remove life, but God is perfect and his judgment is always just. Ours is not. We can - and frequently do - get things wrong, convict based on prejudice. Social class and the quality of your legal team determines your chance of being convicted of a crime as much as your actual guilt or innocence. Death Row has very few millionaires on it.

So, can we justify dealing out death in these imperfect, unjust circumstances? If the system we support ends up killing even one innocent person - aren't we all then murderers?

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NeveR wrote: January 9th, 2023, 12:43 pm Thanks for all the responses - and an interesting discussion.

I appreciate the question is very (maybe too) binary and I did think about blurring the issue with more qualifiers, but then I thought - no, it IS a binary. In the final analysis we either believe in the death penalty or we don't'

I have a couple of follow up questions.

1- how do those supporting the death penalty reconcile this with Jesus's message to turn the other cheek and meet violence and hate with pure LOVE?

2- yes, God has the right to bestow or remove life, but God is perfect and his judgment is always just. Ours is not. We can - and frequently do - get things wrong, convict based on prejudice. Social class and the quality of your legal team determines your chance of being convicted of a crime as much as your actual guilt or innocence. Death Row has very few millionaires on it.

So, can we justify dealing out death in these imperfect, unjust circumstances? If the system we support ends up killing even one innocent person - aren't we all then murderers?
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Niemand wrote: January 9th, 2023, 4:15 am By the way, I also think if people are executed, a painful death is unnecessary. They will be dealt with appropriately on the other side. Torturing them here is mainly for the benefit of the living.
Same here. I have no problem with a quick and painless death. To me, the point isn't to torture them, it's to remove a dangerous/deadly person from society. Turn them over to God and let him deal with them.

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Death penalty was in the Book of Mormon

Alma 34:13 and Alma 42:19

Now there is not any man that can sacrifice his own blood which will atone for the sins of another. Now, if a man murdereth, behold will our law, which is just, take the life of his brother? I say unto you, Nay.


Now, if there was no law given—if a man murdered he should die—would he be afraid he would die if he should murder

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There is an exception with the converted Lamanites. They were a different country, and had been taught that it is okay to kill people. They were taught the gospel, repented, and would die rather than to take up weapons against anyone.

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for murder (first degree), yes. Death is the only answer. Not only from a gospel point of view, but also as a deterrence against committing it. If there is no death penalty then there is little reason to fear the justice system. BTW I would add (first degree or intentional) rape and child molestation. Again for these if evil intent is shows, repentance is inexistent. They have no place in society. If so, people will stop.

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If you were asked to push the button, pull the rope or fire the gun on a person whom the courts deemed guilty of a heinous crime, would it be satisfying your anger or would you be doing it for God, upholding righteous principles?

I watched the movie "12 Angry Men" over the holidays (the original, not the lousy remake) and it is worth your while if you have the time. The movie was shot in B&W in contrast to the story which turns out to be not so black and white. A young man's life is in the hands of the jury and the whole movie takes place in a tight, hot and damp room. A true classic film that will make you think, hopefully.

Anger is a powerful and destructive emotion and we should be careful that we do not allow it to influence us in making rash decisions.

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TheDuke wrote: January 9th, 2023, 7:24 pm for murder (first degree), yes. Death is the only answer. Not only from a gospel point of view, but also as a deterrence against committing it. If there is no death penalty then there is little reason to fear the justice system. BTW I would add (first degree or intentional) rape and child molestation. Again for these if evil intent is shows, repentance is inexistent. They have no place in society. If so, people will stop.

Crazy as it sounds, the prospect of being executed does not deter people from murdering other people.

The US has always had one of the highest murder rates per capita in the world, far higher than countries such as the UK, Canada etc that have no death penalty.

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NeveR wrote: January 10th, 2023, 4:12 pm
TheDuke wrote: January 9th, 2023, 7:24 pm for murder (first degree), yes. Death is the only answer. Not only from a gospel point of view, but also as a deterrence against committing it. If there is no death penalty then there is little reason to fear the justice system. BTW I would add (first degree or intentional) rape and child molestation. Again for these if evil intent is shows, repentance is inexistent. They have no place in society. If so, people will stop.

Crazy as it sounds, the prospect of being executed does not deter people from murdering other people.

The US has always had one of the highest murder rates per capita in the world, far higher than countries such as the UK, Canada etc that have no death penalty.
Both points are wrong. It is a deterant studies show it. And while I cannot compare to Canada, murder is not worse in US that other countries. Statistics lie when collected for a reason. You sound like an anti-US person, I'd say move to the better country. I've been to many, few have any more peace, few publish their dirty laundry like US does. Please show your backup for both of these statements.

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