Double your tithing, double your blessings. –Oaks

[endlessQuestions]

Fake or not.

That photo is probably real.

Looks like the cat that ate the canary.

Whatever he did.

He is very proud of himself.

What did he do?

Sir H

Well, we’re working on that, aren’t we?

I’m still concerned that when all is said and done, DHO may turn out to be more of a pawn and a victim than a willing perpetrator in the grand scheme of things.

Just like any other Manchurian candidate.

Nevertheless.

He needs to be exposed.

Sir H

I would put it slightly different:

The truth needs to be revealed.

But I get what you’re saying.

[Mamabear]

This can’t be real.

I saw this on FB w/ this caption: "A gift someone was given at a Christmas party last night." Totally given as a legit gift.

Yuck…..It probably is real. Maybe this is what they will start asking since membership is down.
“We are such a poor church and need your help. So increase your tithing and watch the blessings flow. Hey, maybe we’ll give you the second anointing even though you’re just a teacher.”

[CuriousThinker]

My guess is that was taken when he was a lawyer and not for his apostleship. Even if he thought that about tithing I can't see him writing that on a pic like that. He just doesn't seem like the type that would put that down for posterity. He speaks in a very calculated manner and I think he would write the same way.

[Serragon]

This can't be verified, so it should not be the basis for criticism of Elder Oaks.

[HereWeGo]

Perhaps a more likely way to double your blessings would be to give your tithing to the poor (original purpose) than giving it to a giga-bilion dollar corporation.

[FoundMyEden]

It looks like a female's handwriting. Bubbly and switching from print to cursive between letters.

[Reluctant Watchman]

This can't be verified, so it should not be the basis for criticism of Elder Oaks.

It can be verified. Want me to ask?

BTW, Wendy Nelson taught the youth this exact same principle. From one of my essays:

While traveling with her husband, Sister Wendy Nelson spoke to the young single adults in a church-wide broadcast. She told them, “When we're desperate to have more money, we eagerly follow the Lord's law of finances. Which is, of course, tithing.” She then related a story of how a young family was paying way more tithing than their income. The bishop asked why and the young father responded, "Oh, I'm not paying on what I make, I'm paying on what I want to make." She concluded the story by stating that the very next year this young man made exactly that amount of money. This is what we call the "Prosperity Gospel” and is a false doctrine because the focus shifts from caring for the poor to financial gain. 2 Nephi 26:31 teaches, “But the laborer in Zion shall labor for Zion; for if they labor for money they shall perish.”

[HVDC]

Fake or not.

That photo is probably real.

Looks like the cat that ate the canary.

Whatever he did.

He is very proud of himself.

What did he do?

Sir H

Well, we’re working on that, aren’t we?

I’m still concerned that when all is said and done, DHO may turn out to be more of a pawn and a victim than a willing perpetrator in the grand scheme of things.

Just like any other Manchurian candidate.

Nevertheless.

He needs to be exposed.

Sir H

I would put it slightly different:

The truth needs to be revealed.

But I get what you’re saying.

On the other hand.

Maybe this is a glamour shot for his acting gig.

Guess he got it.

LOL.

Sir H

[Allison]

This can't be verified, so it should not be the basis for criticism of Elder Oaks.

It can be verified. Want me to ask?

BTW, Wendy Nelson taught the youth this exact same principle. From one of my essays:

While traveling with her husband, Sister Wendy Nelson spoke to the young single adults in a church-wide broadcast. She told them, “When we're desperate to have more money, we eagerly follow the Lord's law of finances. Which is, of course, tithing.” She then related a story of how a young family was paying way more tithing than their income. The bishop asked why and the young father responded, "Oh, I'm not paying on what I make, I'm paying on what I want to make." She concluded the story by stating that the very next year this young man made exactly that amount of money. This is what we call the "Prosperity Gospel” and is a false doctrine because the focus shifts from caring for the poor to financial gain. 2 Nephi 26:31 teaches, “But the laborer in Zion shall labor for Zion; for if they labor for money they shall perish.”

Do ask, because I think it’s a pretty funny joke. But I can also ask his family members.

A nonmember money guru teaches people to pay 10% tithing and another 10% to charity. You also put 10% into long term savings and another 10% into emergency savings, even if you have to use the emergency savings right away. She calls it “60/40ing” your money. It’s not a get rich scheme at all, but is very stabilizing during hard times, and really keeps morale up when you can give a few “widows mites” to someone in need or a good cause. It’s impossible to feel poor if you can share something.

But I doubt he would push that idea on anyone, especially with a photo like that. Got to admit it’s a hilarious caption!

[Robin Hood]

A signed copy from the man himself. Get w/ the program people.

Prosperity gospel.

[endlessQuestions]

This can't be verified, so it should not be the basis for criticism of Elder Oaks.

It can be verified. Want me to ask?

BTW, Wendy Nelson taught the youth this exact same principle. From one of my essays:

While traveling with her husband, Sister Wendy Nelson spoke to the young single adults in a church-wide broadcast. She told them, “When we're desperate to have more money, we eagerly follow the Lord's law of finances. Which is, of course, tithing.” She then related a story of how a young family was paying way more tithing than their income. The bishop asked why and the young father responded, "Oh, I'm not paying on what I make, I'm paying on what I want to make." She concluded the story by stating that the very next year this young man made exactly that amount of money. This is what we call the "Prosperity Gospel” and is a false doctrine because the focus shifts from caring for the poor to financial gain. 2 Nephi 26:31 teaches, “But the laborer in Zion shall labor for Zion; for if they labor for money they shall perish.”

Please do ask.

And my guess is that guy who was making what he wanted to was probably up to his eyeballs in debt. Just a guess, though.

[Refraction75]

This can’t be real.

I was thinking it has to be a gag or written by someone else.... No way he actually signed it with that message, right?

I’m putting this in the “further verification needed” bucket… it feels way too troll-y…

We are entering a time where things we thought we could rely on as evidence will no longer be reliable. It’s getting really scary out there.

The question remains though how did someone get this picture of Dallen H Oaks to troll him in this way...you can't just pick up this custom picture at walmart....

[Refraction75]

I'm not a handwriting expert (well... kind of), but the signature is pretty darn close. The "H" is almost a perfect match to the photo signature.

I can't stop laughing this is so funny!!!

[Reluctant Watchman]

I'm not a handwriting expert (well... kind of), but the signature is pretty darn close. The "H" is almost a perfect match to the photo signature.

I can't stop laughing this is so funny!!!

If I were a betting man, I'd put money on this signature (on the OP photo) as being legit. Most people have no idea how to forge a signature. I have over 20 years of experience in studying typography and typographic design. Not to mention how I forged my Mom's signature when I was in high school. Loads of experience.

[endlessQuestions]

This can’t be real.

I was thinking it has to be a gag or written by someone else.... No way he actually signed it with that message, right?

I’m putting this in the “further verification needed” bucket… it feels way too troll-y…

We are entering a time where things we thought we could rely on as evidence will no longer be reliable. It’s getting really scary out there.

The question remains though how did someone get this picture of Dallen H Oaks to troll him in this way...you can't just pick up this custom picture at walmart....

AI is doing things people can't even imagine.

I'm not saying I know one way or the other, but if I were a troll and wanted to start a kerfulffle, this is exactly the image I would create.

I mean this sincerely... we are not far from the time where there will be no way to know truth from error without the gift of the Holy Ghost. All the rules of evidence are going out the window.

[FrankOne]

This can't be verified, so it should not be the basis for criticism of Elder Oaks.

The natural man in all it's glory on full display. I'm not referring to the OP photo, I'm referring to him as he has presented himself his entire life.

[Craig Johnson]

I was gonna take out the garbage and then I saw this post.

Garbage.

[Allison]

The family member I talked to highly doubts he would have said that, and so do I. It’s a clever and funny spoof, but I’ve never seen him be reckless like that.

[BuriedTartaria]

This can't be verified, so it should not be the basis for criticism of Elder Oaks.

I think you make a fair assessment here.

[nvr]

Our EQ pres in college at BYU would sometimes add how he saved money on something, "blessings you get from paying 15% tithe, guys". It was a joke, and we snickered along. I think Oak must have also been joking.

[Robin Hood]

A signed copy from the man himself. Get w/ the program people.

Clearly some kind of wind up.
The photo is of a very much younger DHO, perhaps 20 or 30 years.
I also think the signature is very suspect and differs from the genuine example in a number of ways.

[Reluctant Watchman]

This was given as a white elephant gift at a party. Parts of the signature are accurate (the "H"), but other parts aren't so accurate.

But what does remain accurate is how the church perceives tithing and blessings. The more you give (to the church that is), the more you are blessed. That is a false doctrine. Giving and sacrificing is a true principle, but doing so under false pretenses and poor doctrinal understanding of the principle is wrong.

[blitzinstripes]

A signed copy from the man himself. Get w/ the program people.

Gold club members get autographed photos of their favorite GA's and get shortlisted for second anointings.

[endlessQuestions]

This was given as a white elephant gift at a party. Parts of the signature are accurate (the "H"), but other parts aren't so accurate.

But what does remain accurate is how the church perceives tithing and blessings. The more you give (to the church that is), the more you are blessed. That is a false doctrine. Giving and sacrificing is a true principle, but doing so under false pretenses and poor doctrinal understanding of the principle is wrong.

So, fake… right?

[blitzinstripes]

We like to harp on people like Joel Osteen, but the truth is that the LDS preach PLENTY of prosperity gospel. Hell, we even invented our own college fund because we like so much to tie temporal prosperity in with salvation.

My mission president in the 90s told us we needed to baptize less poor people and try to get more wealthy, successful converts. I was pretty sure that was the polar opposite what Christ would have said. But what did I know, just a 19 yr old brainwashed kid working as a door to door salesman of sorts.