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Should a university teach truth or lies?

Would any Christian university teach Jesus as less than a man?

After you watch this video, do you believe that BYU is a Christian university?

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There is one person with the absolute power to put a stop to this, and that is the Chairman of the Church Board of Education.

https://catalog.byu.edu/about-byu/administration

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Lizzy60 wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:11 pm There is one person with the absolute power to put a stop to this, and that is the Chairman of the Church Board of Education.

https://catalog.byu.edu/about-byu/administration
Absolutely!

So if they don't put a stop to it, does it mean that they approve?

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Fred wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:14 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:11 pm There is one person with the absolute power to put a stop to this, and that is the Chairman of the Church Board of Education.

https://catalog.byu.edu/about-byu/administration
Absolutely!

So if they don't put a stop to it, does it mean that they approve?
It means they are afraid to take a stand against the whole LGBTQRST tsunami. If you say anything negative about anything associated with LGBTQ, you are guilty of hate speech, and your overlords at the UN, etc, will not be happy.

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For those who haven’t watched the end of the video, this BYU class says we must aim for androgyny, both ourselves and in raising children. The most perfect example of an androgynous being is Christ. The more androgynous (non-binary) one is, the more like Christ they become.

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Considering what mainstream Christianity has to say about the origins of Jesus, this is a very warped way of presenting Him through a scientific lens. And mainstream Christianity has historically attacked the LDS Church for affirming that Jesus is the literal Son of God by way of a relationship between God the Father and the Virgin Mary.

Only problem is that Scripture insists that He is the Son of God. And the teachings of prophets both ancient and modern affirm that God the Father is an exalted Man. Meaning He provided the Y chromosomes. Meaning Jesus Christ is a bona-fide male and not androgynous.

"If men do not comprehend the character of God, they do not comprehend themselves." - Joseph Smith

There's more to that quote than meets the eye.

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Lizzy60 wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:30 pm For those who haven’t watched the end of the video, this BYU class says we must aim for androgyny, both ourselves and in raising children. The most perfect example of an androgynous being is Christ. The more androgynous (non-binary) one is, the more like Christ they become.
That professor speaks utter blasphemy. I would love to be a fly in the wall of THAT classroom and call that professor out.

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tribrac wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:18 pm viewtopic.php?p=1327983#p1327983
Sorry, I didn't see the other thread.

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Fred wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:04 pm Should a university teach truth or lies?

Would any Christian university teach Jesus as less than a man?

After you watch this video, do you believe that BYU is a Christian university?
Haven’t we been teaching this for the last couple of decades? Forgive and love forgive and love. Last time I checked the NT the lord never went up to the Pharisees and just wanted to “find common ground”

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Fred wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:14 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:11 pm There is one person with the absolute power to put a stop to this, and that is the Chairman of the Church Board of Education.

https://catalog.byu.edu/about-byu/administration
Absolutely!

So if they don't put a stop to it, does it mean that they approve?
It has been said that for evil men to accomplish their purpose
it is only necessary that good men should do nothing.

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Fred wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:04 pm Should a university teach truth or lies?

Would any Christian university teach Jesus as less than a man?

After you watch this video, do you believe that BYU is a Christian university?
So, if they are saying that Jesus didn't have the stereotypical weaknesses of a man or a woman, then I guess that's true. He was perfect, after all.

But if they're saying that He wasn't perfectly and completely male, they have more than a screw loose. They are crazy. One gender can understand the other gender, and if you're a God you can understand the other gender perfectly, without becoming the other gender.

I was just looking at the BYU financials yesterday. The Church put $795 million into BYU in 2021. They spend over $300,000 in salary (benefits are in a different category as are administrative and auxiliary salaries), per professor, per year. (I'm not sure if that means that the average professor makes $300,000 per year--that seems like more than what Harvard pays its professors.) That's a lot of sacred money to have students getting taught that crap.
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Not just that Jesus didn't exhibit typical human weakness, that he exemplified perfection and perfection is androgynous, therefore students should seek androgyny.

With a not too subtle prejudice that boys must never act like men. And she probably added the typical encouragement for girls to adopt man behavior which men are condemned for.

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Well the Catholics view Jesus as a celibate monk, not a man who married according to Jewish tradition and had children. Plenty of other Christians follow that view. I suppose it's a small step from there to wipe away His gender.

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https://redstate.com/alexparker/2022/12 ... ne-n672937

“Gender Identity — ranges from Woman to Genderqueer to Man.
Gender identity is how you, in your head, think about yourself. It’s the chemistry that composes you (e.g., hormonal levels) and how you interpret what that means.

“Gender Expression — ranges from Feminine to Androgynous to Masculine.
Gender expression is how you demonstrate your gender (based on traditional gender roles) through the ways you act, dress, behave, and interact.

“Biological Sex — ranges from Female to Intersex to Male.
Biological sex refers to the objectively measurable organs, hormones, and chromosomes. Female = vagina, ovaries, XX chromosomes; male = penis, testes, XY chromosomes; intersex = a combination of the two.

“Sexual Orientation — ranges from Heterosexual to Bisexual to Homosexual.
Sexual orientation is who you are physically, spiritually, and emotionally attracted to, based on their sex/gender in relation to your own.”

So much for Adam and Eve. Might as well send your kid to a public university.

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If Christ committed no sins, that includes sins of omission. Therefore he would have followed the command to multiply and replenish the Earth. He was not a quasi-homosexual. He had sex and kids.

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A BYU student speaks out.

https://youtu.be/pyMjAVq2aeI

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Lexew1899 wrote: December 13th, 2022, 10:00 am If Christ committed no sins, that includes sins of omission. Therefore he would have followed the command to multiply and replenish the Earth. He was not a quasi-homosexual. He had sex and kids.
Those of royal lineage are well aware of this. They know their genealogy very well, which is why they think they're above us.

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Who are the descendants of Christ’s biological children? That alone keeps me skeptical of the idea that Christ had children even if I can accept the idea Christ was married. It is not that unusual for a married couple to be unable to have children. Why did Christ say, “ For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.” (Matthew 19:12)

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Christianlee wrote: December 14th, 2022, 8:46 am Who are the descendants of Christ’s biological children? That alone keeps me skeptical of the idea that Christ had children even if I can accept the idea Christ was married. It is not that unusual for a married couple to be unable to have children. Why did Christ say, “ For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.” (Matthew 19:12)
Who are the descendants of Christ? Joseph Smith, for one.

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Subcomandante wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:32 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:30 pm For those who haven’t watched the end of the video, this BYU class says we must aim for androgyny, both ourselves and in raising children. The most perfect example of an androgynous being is Christ. The more androgynous (non-binary) one is, the more like Christ they become.
That professor speaks utter blasphemy. I would love to be a fly in the wall of THAT classroom and call that professor out.
And is still employed. The Sole has made no move to terminate employment. What does this tell you?

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: December 14th, 2022, 9:04 am
Subcomandante wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:32 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: December 7th, 2022, 9:30 pm For those who haven’t watched the end of the video, this BYU class says we must aim for androgyny, both ourselves and in raising children. The most perfect example of an androgynous being is Christ. The more androgynous (non-binary) one is, the more like Christ they become.
That professor speaks utter blasphemy. I would love to be a fly in the wall of THAT classroom and call that professor out.
And is still employed. The Sole has made no move to terminate employment. What does this tell you?
Did we get the professor's name anywhere in the video? Or has there been a movement done by the students or other faculty to get that professor fired?

There is a process to be followed. An investigation, for one thing, conducted internally. These things take time.

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Christianlee wrote: December 14th, 2022, 8:46 am Who are the descendants of Christ’s biological children? That alone keeps me skeptical of the idea that Christ had children even if I can accept the idea Christ was married. It is not that unusual for a married couple to be unable to have children. Why did Christ say, “ For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.” (Matthew 19:12)

I have oft reflected this saying of our Lord,
Concerning the Patriarchs and men of God in the Old testament we oft hear of their wives, but in the New Testament concerning our Lord Jesus there is silence apon this matter.
Lds leaders claim He had many wives, but offer no Biblical proof, there is one 2nd century pagan philosopher Celsus that claimed our Lord had many wives, but yet again in the early centuries after Christ had risen amongst the vast abundance of christian writings there is either silence or denial.
When one thinks of whom our Lord was, God manifest in the flesh, that whilst walking amongst men that He perchance kept himself aloof from marriage, due to the great act of Salvation He had to do on His own?
Knowing what He had to do, suffer great persecution, sufferings and death, then arise from the grave and ascend back to Heaven, would it be right to leave behind a multitude of grieving widows and multitudes of children?
When He was apon the Cross the only woman he made provision for was His Mother, the only woman He spoke to also was His Mother whilst apon the cross.
If He had many wives, and knowing they were to become widows, His children orphans, would of not He made provision for them as He did His Mother.
Could it be He like certain other Jews had set Himself apart in His youth to totally dedicate His life to His ministery apon the earth and remained celibate, in a spiritual sense become a eunuch for His Kingdoms sake........
If so His saying that some have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heavens sake would become understandable.

Indeed we find the Jews going to fetch his mother and brothers to get Him in one instance when He was in a house preaching,, if he had many wives or even one, why did the Jews go to his mother and brothers to come get Him and not His wives?
The only reason Jews would of done such is if He was unmarried........
Besides if He was married any children He had would be Divine, be Gods and Goddesses, possessing great power, indeed would be literal Sons and daughters of God and could never die.

These are but reflections, not certainties.

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GOD: Gender is an eternal characteristic of My children. Male and female created I them. Unite and become one flesh.
SATAN: Gender is a social construct! Deny who you are, you are no son or daughter of God! Embrace lust and confusion!

Androgyny in humans is a quality of wickedness. The ubiquity of traditions that ascribe sexlessness to angels are curious, because sexlessness is clearly of the devil. We're almost unique in understanding that angels have gender. There are so many comparisons between the Savior and a wedding couple that it goes much beyond a mere social construct. Jesus was a 100% testosterone-dominant man. He was probably of decent build due to his carpenter's occupation and constant travel, a build that women are generally attracted to and that LGBTQWTFBBQ advocates abhor. A man without sin must still be baptized, and a man complete has only certain body parts. He taught that we must become as little children, and little children are hyper conscious of the differences between boys and girls.

As for His biological children? I don't know for certain. His children's divine blood may have diluted through the ages. Indeed, if He had children, it is probably that a very large number of people today can trace their lineage back to Him. Perhaps only God the Father could pass that kind of Divine Essence directly; as a half-mortal, Jesus may have been incapable of siring immortal children the way that His Father could. With or without children, it would have been a very hard sell for any Jews to take Him seriously if He were thirty years old and unmarried.

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Lizzy60 wrote: December 14th, 2022, 9:01 am
Christianlee wrote: December 14th, 2022, 8:46 am Who are the descendants of Christ’s biological children? That alone keeps me skeptical of the idea that Christ had children even if I can accept the idea Christ was married. It is not that unusual for a married couple to be unable to have children. Why did Christ say, “ For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.” (Matthew 19:12)
Who are the descendants of Christ? Joseph Smith, for one.
Where do you find that information?

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