A Questioning of the Nature of this Reality. Shall we Begin?

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FrankOne wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 10:13 am
Niemand wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 3:28 am
FrankOne wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 7:21 pm -If this is a simulation, how do we exit it?
This begs further questions:
* Should we want to exit it right now?
* How should we prepare to leave it if we do?

Many people would say "yes", and that is extremely tempting, but this does raise the issue of what happens if we exit unprepared. I'm trying to think of a couple of metaphors here – maybe a bit like someone trying to drive a car after only having seen it on TV/films. You'd have some idea, but you'd probably crash the thing if you'd never seen anyone drive one in front of you.

Or put it another way. I remember when Dire Straits' Money for Nothing video (pictured) came out in the early eighties, and a lot of people raved about how amazing the animation was. It was state of the art at the time but now looks awful. Imagine if we were stuck in the equivalent of that video and we come out into something which bears the same relationship to it as our "reality" does to that.
The exit is always there and there are no "shoulds". People don't exit because they can't..... because they aren't ready...... because at a deeper level they really don't want to leave.....yet. Many say they want to leave, but they cling to the things of this world. How can one leave what they love? Then there are those that feel that this world is an unjust prison. They fight against it. Rage against the machine. These types want to fight and they stay here FOR the fight.
The natural man belongs here no matter what half of it's mind thinks. It does not have a single mind. A single mind would evaporate this illusion for the individual in a flashed moment.

Can a child of God be imprisoned? It's impossible. The Creator has given all to the child and the child could choose in an instant to be free of the most diabolical chains.
So, how can you hold down an all powerful being? You tempt him into choosing it out of free will.

Picture this:

A steel vase with a small neck is bolted to a concrete floor. In the vase is an exquisite apple. A monkey puts his hand in the vase and finds the apple, but he cannot retrieve it. He won't let go of it, because he wants it. He is entrapped.
The apple is the Ego. The illusory self creation which the God being loves. It is his precious. It is his identity that is self willed and can do what it wants. It has fun times, it has miserable times, it is angered at times, and at relative peace sometimes...but...it is in seeming control and that control is very appealing.

there is no getting out early. It happens when the student is done with it's lessons and finally chooses to put away vain and childish toys. The only way to win the game is to stop playing.

To stop playing is done in only one way. To become truly and peacefully unreactive. If there are any that wishes to dive into the core of this, I will continue. I leave subjects in this way because most really don't want to proceed when they realize the work ahead of them. This is a very young group of students on this planet. I'm not being condescending even though some minds may judge it this way. We are ALL completely equal. The only thing that separates us is time.
I have very little down here to hold me. I feel like I've already had my toe dipped in very hot water over the last couple of years.

I fear the process of dying more than becoming dead, but there is still an unknown component there. Godless atheists often seem to be terrified of death, but won't admit it. It was how many people have been controlled recently. I'm less scared of it than they are, but still have some concerns.

My main concern is getting to a better existence than this. We don't need lions and tiger and sharks down here, we have enough predators and they're mostly human.

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Mamabear wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 6:39 am
Niemand wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 6:11 am
Mamabear wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:30 am
Niemand wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 4:54 am

This ties into the Cathar notion of this world being Hell. (The Cathars were a group who existed in south west France for a while before the Vatican decided to mount a crusade to destroy them.)

I've thought about this notion and I disagree with it. The main reason I disagree is that this world has many good things in it. It is utterly evil in some senses, but we can find good, truth, kindness and beauty around us, even in these dark times. I doubt things like cute babies and kittens would exist in Hell to put it crudely. Remember that time someone stuck up for you or helped you out of trouble? That wasn't hellish either. However, this would possibly make this world more akin to the Roman Catholic notion of Purgatory, i.e. a not very pleasant place which we are in temporarily to work off sin. In a Purgatory type setting, we would expect to see and experience terrible things but also to see good.

Your question raises two others in Mormon theology:
* Firstly, are the Third allowed to get a body?
* Secondly, what happened to the other 2/3s?
I don’t mean we are in hell.
There are good things, yes…but we are in a fallen world. We are the 1/3 and we have bodies. The rest remained with God.

The Mormon lie that we need to gain a body and that it’s superior to being a spirit is false. “God is a Spirit” John 4:24
I have found the Mormon notion of gaining a body to be a positive thing. It does at least give people the confidence that they have passed one test and demons do seem to despise human bodies and to want to possess them.

However, some people are very evil so how did they pass the test? Did they become that way? (Sadly yes, in some cases. Many of the most evil people were unwilling victims themselves of terrible abuse as children.)

Spirits such as poltergeists seem to be able to create physical force which is partly why I've never quite bought the idea of shaking the hand of a supposed angel.
For me, I’ve never felt at home in my body. It feels unnatural, heavy, tired, trapped, kind of like I don’t belong. Don’t get me wrong, I’m grateful for it and I’m healthy, it’s just something I’ve always felt and I could never understand why. I think it’s because this is an unnatural state of being.

As far as evil people….I think that many people are taught evil or have a natural tendency towards it. We are fallen trying to live after the spirit but are trapped in the flesh. We must put off the flesh as the scriptures say.

I agree with you, the idea of shaking an angel’s hand is impossible because they are spirits. 🤝

Edit: I like the main points of this thread and I’m interested in learning more. Sorry if I didn’t contribute to the original questions and ideas. 🙂
I am in hopes that my direct ways of commenting are not abrasive. It's just easier for me to say things in this way. :)
The body is unnatural. All that is imperfect is not real. All that is real is perfect and remains perfect forever. As I've said before, when a soldier's legs are blown off in war and he goes to the other side, his spiritual body is unaffected. This is because the physical is a virtual reality and the other, is not.

The experience of disassociation from the physical body in this life where the individual begins to recognize it's unnatural limitations is a good thing. This happens when the awareness is becoming more aware of the contrast between a weak body and an invincible spirit.

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Niemand wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 3:43 am This is of course nothing which hasn't been asked before in some form. Even before computers entered our lives, the ancient Greeks and Indians were asking the same question. The Gnostics too, who thought of the creator of this simulation as the Demiurge, the evil being who had imprisoned us in matter.

The Hindus, Jains and Buddhists think we are stuck in "maya" or illusion and that their forms of meditation guide you out. The Taoists have similar notions.

There are hints in the Bible itself that this is not the ultimate reality, but it is questionable whether it is meant in the same way as simulation theory. Either way I see this world as some kind of proving ground. I hope everyone here has passed/is passing the test.
The above idea of this being a 'test' is one of the unnecessary burdens upon us. This idea creates stress and a heavy weight with the idea attached which is "I am unworthy" or "I don't measure up" or "I don't deserve salvation". The idea of 'being proven' is one that keeps chains firmly attached which never let the Child of God believe that he can actually be free to move on.

There is always a "Judging God" there ...somewhere....reminding him that he is a sinner which may...some day...in some unknown future....be forgiven. <This is a false teaching of religion. False meaning that it is untrue, but still being a preliminary and necessary teaching to motivate man to become "better" and to use self discipline. An undisciplined person cannot leave. This doesn't mean disciplined in worldly affairs or disciplined as the world would label it. The discipline is becoming aware that the ways of the body are not the ways of the spirit.

The fact is that the creator has never condemned you, nor will he ever condemn you. He made you perfectly and that is the only part of you that is real. Your sin was self conceived and self created within a virtual reality. The Creator judges you as perfect as does his Son, Jesus Christ. This is the core of true forgiveness. The problem is that guilt prevents forgiveness of self to return home. Besides attachment to this world, guilt is the only thing keeping you here. You ARE forgiven. If you pray sincerely on whether this is true, you will receive your answer. The gospel of Christ IS the good news.

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Mamabear wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 4:34 am I think that we are part of the 1/3 that were cast out of heaven. We are from beneath. That is why things seem so unnatural.

“He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
He must increase, but I must decrease.
He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.“ John 3:29-31

“And he said unto them, Ye are from ​​​beneath​; I am from above: ye are of this ​​​world​; I am not of this world.”
John 8:23
I am unaware of whether this is true or not.

Christ has solved all problems. We are forgiven.

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Niemand wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 3:43 am This is of course nothing which hasn't been asked before in some form. Even before computers entered our lives, the ancient Greeks and Indians were asking the same question. The Gnostics too, who thought of the creator of this simulation as the Demiurge, the evil being who had imprisoned us in matter.

The Hindus, Jains and Buddhists think we are stuck in "maya" or illusion and that their forms of meditation guide you out. The Taoists have similar notions.

There are hints in the Bible itself that this is not the ultimate reality, but it is questionable whether it is meant in the same way as simulation theory. Either way I see this world as some kind of proving ground. I hope everyone here has passed/is passing the test.
I think they are ahead of us there. The flesh is indeed an imprisonment, but fortunately it's where all the growth and learning occur and right after this mortality, I'm immediately game for the next one. Overcoming our weaknesses is actually a little addictive, lol.

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Mamabear wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 4:34 am I think that we are part of the 1/3 that were cast out of heaven. We are from beneath. That is why things seem so unnatural.

“He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
He must increase, but I must decrease.
He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.“ John 3:29-31

“And he said unto them, Ye are from ​​​beneath​; I am from above: ye are of this ​​​world​; I am not of this world.”
John 8:23
This is an intriguing thought. I'm not at all opposed to exploring this possibility, after all, one could easily describe us as being cast out of heaven.

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Niemand wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 4:54 am Your question raises two others in Mormon theology:
* Firstly, are the Third allowed to get a body?
* Secondly, what happened to the other 2/3s?
In Isaiah Satan has a grave, so he has to have had a body, unless someone has an explanation of how a spirit gets a grave. I personally think the entire third part get bodies. There is no real way otherwise to account for people choosing evil to the degree that they do. The only other possible explanation is that these satanic rituals invite demonic possession, and the host spirit is supplanted by the devils. That would also explain why there is so much evil.

I think your second question carries with it our learned precepts, there is no two thirds. Rather, a third part means there is a first part and a second part, but the question still stands. Who are these other two parts or groups of people?

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FrankOne wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 10:20 pm He created a single creation which was in image of himself. Unless there are questions, I'll speak more generally on this subject. The image was life or intelligence. This intelligence was formless as we would define it.
I know you said this was speculation, but I'm curious as to how you balance this with our understanding that intelligence can neither be created nor destroyed?

The reason I ask is because our starting point of learning seems to be so low that it strongly hints that we indeed cannot be created, because if we could, an intelligent creator would have created us so much higher on the intelligence scale, so that we could learn what we need to learn more quickly.

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FrankOne wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 7:21 pm -Is the veil what we have been taught that it is? What if it isn't? Are there layers or degrees to this "veil"?
I've always thought the veil was layered or incremental. Of course, that implies a test within a test or a simulation within a simulation. That might not be the case though. It might just be that the flesh is the veil and once we die our true self is manifest.

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Shawn Henry wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 3:57 pm
Niemand wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 4:54 am Your question raises two others in Mormon theology:
* Firstly, are the Third allowed to get a body?
* Secondly, what happened to the other 2/3s?
In Isaiah Satan has a grave, so he has to have had a body, unless someone has an explanation of how a spirit gets a grave. I personally think the entire third part get bodies. There is no real way otherwise to account for people choosing evil to the degree that they do. The only other possible explanation is that these satanic rituals invite demonic possession, and the host spirit is supplanted by the devils. That would also explain why there is so much evil.

I think your second question carries with it our learned precepts, there is no two thirds. Rather, a third part means there is a first part and a second part, but the question still stands. Who are these other two parts or groups of people?
So who is Satan? Russell, Joe, Klaus, Obama, pope?

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Mamabear wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 4:29 pm So who is Satan? Russell, Joe, Klaus, Obama, pope?
I don't know, time will tell. My money, though, is on Mr. Sotoro.

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Shawn Henry wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:00 pm
Mamabear wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 4:29 pm So who is Satan? Russell, Joe, Klaus, Obama, pope?
I don't know, time will tell. My money, though, is on Mr. Sotoro.
Who?

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Mamabear wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:00 pm
Shawn Henry wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:00 pm
Mamabear wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 4:29 pm So who is Satan? Russell, Joe, Klaus, Obama, pope?
I don't know, time will tell. My money, though, is on Mr. Sotoro.
Who?
Barry Sotoro, Barrack Husein Obama's birth name.

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Barry is not the devil but a close buddy and can't you just see him stepping in after his buddies have screwed everything up? To kindly offer a way for all to have income equality not being slowed down by having to pull out their wallet to buy or sell.

Of course we are all going to have to make this system work together.

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Shawn Henry wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 4:04 pm
FrankOne wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 10:20 pm He created a single creation which was in image of himself. Unless there are questions, I'll speak more generally on this subject. The image was life or intelligence. This intelligence was formless as we would define it.
I know you said this was speculation, but I'm curious as to how you balance this with our understanding that intelligence can neither be created nor destroyed?

The reason I ask is because our starting point of learning seems to be so low that it strongly hints that we indeed cannot be created, because if we could, an intelligent creator would have created us so much higher on the intelligence scale, so that we could learn what we need to learn more quickly.
Consider the manner that we have been taught in church of how "creation" is done. It's merely an organization of "unorganized matter". From that teaching we are shown that the God that created this world does not in fact "create" he uses already created matter as building blocks.

So...the terminology of "created" as we have been taught is a vague term.

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Shawn Henry wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 4:11 pm
FrankOne wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 7:21 pm -Is the veil what we have been taught that it is? What if it isn't? Are there layers or degrees to this "veil"?
I've always thought the veil was layered or incremental. Of course, that implies a test within a test or a simulation within a simulation. That might not be the case though. It might just be that the flesh is the veil and once we die our true self is manifest.
the only fact that I can offer is that "A" veil blocks our memory so that we can act willfully. If we were to remember our original creator, we would not be able to act in this temporal , temporary, virtual reality.

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Shawn Henry wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 3:43 pm
Niemand wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 3:43 am This is of course nothing which hasn't been asked before in some form. Even before computers entered our lives, the ancient Greeks and Indians were asking the same question. The Gnostics too, who thought of the creator of this simulation as the Demiurge, the evil being who had imprisoned us in matter.

The Hindus, Jains and Buddhists think we are stuck in "maya" or illusion and that their forms of meditation guide you out. The Taoists have similar notions.

There are hints in the Bible itself that this is not the ultimate reality, but it is questionable whether it is meant in the same way as simulation theory. Either way I see this world as some kind of proving ground. I hope everyone here has passed/is passing the test.
I think they are ahead of us there. The flesh is indeed an imprisonment, but fortunately it's where all the growth and learning occur and right after this mortality, I'm immediately game for the next one. Overcoming our weaknesses is actually a little addictive, lol.
the cycle of sin-> repent->sin-> repent does keep us here because the natural man as an entity can never become perfect. It is a flawed construct from the beginning with serpent ties. One synonym for Natural Man is Ego. The awareness of Perfection is returned to us as a result of being cleansed of our delusions and cannot be earned although some will go on for eons trying to perfect the imperfect.

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FrankOne wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 6:06 pm It is a flawed construct from the beginning
We would probably have to define 'flawed construct', because, after all, this is the very concept that brings growth and learning, which is a great success by many standards.

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Shawn Henry wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 3:57 pm
Niemand wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 4:54 am Your question raises two others in Mormon theology:
* Firstly, are the Third allowed to get a body?
* Secondly, what happened to the other 2/3s?
In Isaiah Satan has a grave, so he has to have had a body, unless someone has an explanation of how a spirit gets a grave. I personally think the entire third part get bodies. There is no real way otherwise to account for people choosing evil to the degree that they do. The only other possible explanation is that these satanic rituals invite demonic possession, and the host spirit is supplanted by the devils. That would also explain why there is so much evil.

I think your second question carries with it our learned precepts, there is no two thirds. Rather, a third part means there is a first part and a second part, but the question still stands. Who are these other two parts or groups of people?
Thank you, this has got me thinking.

Yes, we've discussed the issue of the thirds elsewhere. They needn't be exact even divisions into three in my view, only three parts of the whole. Just like you could divide a group of ten into three groups but not evenly like nine or twelve.

I don't remember the bit about Satan having a grave, but if you can direct me to it, maybe we can pick apart the Hebrew.

The three sections bring to mind the three degrees of glory in Mormonism which almost everybody is supposed to be in apart from the Sons of Perdition to be cast into Outer Darkness. The Celestial Kingdom itself is divided into three.
There is no real way otherwise to account for people choosing evil to the degree that they do.
In the past I have been utterly pessimistic about people, but I think the main problem – as seen recently – is that most people are most evil when following a leader, group or a cause. Much more so than when acting individually. Serial killers are the exceptions, but prison camp guards, brutal police/military and gang members are all too common.

Our current population are programmed to follow suits and white coats. That's maybe their big sin. They may be slightly bad in person, but most don't become a problem outside of these mobs.

Maybe the third down here are the ones who were unwittingly conned/bilked by Satan rather than deliberately following him. That makes sense to me.

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Niemand wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 6:57 pm I don't remember the bit about Satan having a grave, but if you can direct me to it, maybe we can pick apart the Hebrew.
Isaiah 14:19

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Shawn Henry wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 7:32 pm
Niemand wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 6:57 pm I don't remember the bit about Satan having a grave, but if you can direct me to it, maybe we can pick apart the Hebrew.
Isaiah 14:19
But you are cast away unburied
like a repugnant fetus,
exposed like the slain disfigured by the sword,
whose mangled remains are thrown in a gravel pit.

Bro Gileadi believed this prophecy is a reference to the archtyrant after the Lord's day of judgment.

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FrankOne wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 7:21 pm I choose to spend effort in understanding something that I don't bring up much here because my studies and positions are heretical by any standard.

-The simulation that we are in,
-who created it, why...
"The simulation that we are in.."

I would say it's not a simulation but it's understandable why some people say that. And I do love the Matrix analogy, especially with how it relates to the world as the mainstream culture/society and government would have us believe versus the actual truth we find when we realize we've been lied to our entire lives.

This earth is a much different reality than the world we came from. The world is maya (illusion), a shadow of the real. We don't fully experience/perceive who and what we really are and what the earth and cosmos really are.

My studies have lead me to read a lot of the writings of Rudolf Steiner. I find his explanations regarding your questions to be fascinating. He has pretty much addressed all of the questions from your post in much detail from multiple perspectives.

While I could go through each question and attempt a simplified answer, the answers & understanding really require much more than could even be put into words.

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FrankOne wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 10:20 pm
FoxMammaWisdom wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 9:13 pm
FrankOne wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 9:10 pm
FoxMammaWisdom wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 9:09 pm :!: :idea: :D Very interested.
any particular topic on the list above?
All of these :D
-The simulation that we are in,
-who created it, why, ?
-what role we played in this choice,
-If this is a simulation, how do we exit it?
-does choice even exist?,
-is there a spiritual script that is already written and now we are simply living it out in the physical?
-Can there be any will in contrary to He who created will?
-Why do we have thoughts that we don't agree with?
-Are any of our thoughts ours?
-What is the natural man and how does it end? What is the result of that ending?
-What is translation? Why aren't any of the principles of translation openly taught? Are there any?
-Is sin what we have been taught it to be?
-Can perfectly created children ever "sin"? (how can perfection be tainted?)
-How does perfect forgiveness actually occur?
-Is the action of forgiveness what we think it is?
-Do all of Gods children go home or was his plan imperfectly conceived?
-What did Christ actually do?
-Is the veil what we have been taught that it is? What if it isn't? Are there layers or degrees to this "veil"?
-Is the ultimate goal only to "remember?? (that action would end the simulation for that person).
:) hahaha.

thanks for giving me a smile.

I guess I'll start with the natural man within the simulation.

Consider a perfect being that is completely incomprehensible. He is the life all things within the universe and without it. He is all things, seen and unseen. Before creation as we know it, he created an image of himself in order to experience himself. Can the ocean know what it feels like to be 'wet'?

The following is more speculation with some known facts but it serves to create the background of how the natural man came into being:

He created a single creation which was in image of himself. Unless there are questions, I'll speak more generally on this subject. The image was life or intelligence. This intelligence was formless as we would define it. The creator formed the intelligence into souls which were self aware. He allowed them to create and learn, they became what are known as Gods. Time and the material worlds were created by them.

These Gods learned various means to grow faster in power. These created more souls by using the originally created intelligences. These creations of souls were in concert with the will of the Creator. The Gods benefited from doing this through various means which in truth, are unimportant because in all of creation, injustice doesn't exist.

One underlying fact: Injustice is impossible because Nothing real can be harmed. Nothing unreal exists.

The Creator only creates that which cannot be harmed. His creations are indestructible in every definition of the word.

Souls were given free will. Bodies were created and the physical life was born. A choice was made by many souls which was to live within their own world , making choices which were contrary to the Creator. To do this, a veil had to be created , because without the veil, Man would not be able to contradict the Creator. The plan was one of learning, but also one of rebellion. Thus was born the path of "growth through adversity". This is known as willfulness.

Plans drawn, Lords appointed and humanity came into being. A course of forgetfulness, pain and suffering. The Creator, being the consciousness of all, understood this would occur before it began. He provides a Savior that comes to physical, illusory, worlds in intervals of time to give a door for the perfect souls to return . All are perfect and always will be.

Fact: All that is required in salvation is willingness
. The error was wilfulness which created the veil and separation. The solution is it's opposite. It's about going backwards, not forwards. The path of willingness is one that is seemingly slow and self sacrificial. but...can sacrifice of an illusion really be called a sacrifice?

The Natural Man is a fictional character created by the soul. He fears, he can be hurt and feels that he is a victim to his environment and even his body that he can never fully control although he will spend his existence trying to do so.

What i have set forth might inspire many questions. Any of interest?
This is a perfect place to start. The simulation we are in... Who created it... Etc.

Lucifer: "Adam, you have a new world here.... Yes, a new world. Patterned after the old one, where we used to live."

He goes on to explain that he's the God of this world, has powers and priesthoods here...etc.

Jesus also told us this is Lucifer's world, not his. Satan had power to tempt him because this is his world not Jesus world. (It would be pointless to tempt Jesus with his own world anyway.)

This understanding opens up a whole bunch of questions realizing we're in Lucifer's simulation, not the old one that was created for us before, where we used to live...🤔

So how long have we been spinning around in Lucifer's simulation here? How do we get out? Why is living in Lucifer's simulation part of something Heaven wanted us to go through? Or was it?

Maybe the war in heaven is happening NOW because we were pulled into Lucifer's simulation in this lone and dreary world - when he manipulated Adam and Eve to eat the fruit. And since this is Lucifer's world, he manipulated/tricked us into thinking that was Heaven's punishment, when we were actually kidnapped here after being manipulated to "fall"....

A cherubim and flaming sword placed to guard the way so Adam and Eve can't get out?! Maybe that's what the war in heaven is about, and our understanding of how the simulation should be going is a little skewed since Lucifer has been the one influencing our view here? 🤔

Also if we live in a simulation, we have to consider that a whole bunch of what we see my not be real and might be just a piece of the simulation. So which parts are simulation and which parts are real? How could we even know those answers from within the simulation unless we have a personal direct line to Heaven and can see and communicate outside the simulation for ourselves?🤔

I'm curious about your thoughts on this perspective and your thoughts on the simulation in that light.

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Re: A Questioning of the Nature of this Reality. Shall we Begin?

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Shawn Henry wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:12 pm
Mamabear wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:00 pm
Shawn Henry wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:00 pm
Mamabear wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 4:29 pm So who is Satan? Russell, Joe, Klaus, Obama, pope?
I don't know, time will tell. My money, though, is on Mr. Sotoro.
Who?
Barry Sotoro, Barrack Husein Obama's birth name.
Barry is scary.
Oh and…..I forgot to add Dallin to the list. He’s a close second.

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Re: A Questioning of the Nature of this Reality. Shall we Begin?

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creator wrote: December 4th, 2022, 12:49 am
FrankOne wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 7:21 pm I choose to spend effort in understanding something that I don't bring up much here because my studies and positions are heretical by any standard.

-The simulation that we are in,
-who created it, why...
"The simulation that we are in.."

I would say it's not a simulation but it's understandable why some people say that. And I do love the Matrix analogy, especially with how it relates to the world as the mainstream culture/society and government would have us believe versus the actual truth we find when we realize we've been lied to our entire lives.

This earth is a much different reality than the world we came from. The world is maya (illusion), a shadow of the real. We don't fully experience/perceive who and what we really are and what the earth and cosmos really are.

My studies have lead me to read a lot of the writings of Rudolf Steiner. I find his explanations regarding your questions to be fascinating. He has pretty much addressed all of the questions from your post in much detail from multiple perspectives.

While I could go through each question and attempt a simplified answer, the answers & understanding really require much more than could even be put into words.
Steiner is an interesting one. He came from some of the wrong origins (Theosophy for one) but seems to have tried to set some of it right.

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