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tmac wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 7:32 am WHO IS THE REAL DALLIN H?

That is a great question!
I hate to be pedantic about it, but I'd say the focus should be on "What have the actions of Dallin H. Oaks been during his lifetime?"

I for one have no expectation that I will ever understand "who the real dallin h oaks" is.

Only God knows that, and I'll leave it to Him to judge accordingly.

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HVDC wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 7:44 am This has been discussed before, but let's put it here anyway:

https://rsc.byu.edu/prophets-apostles-l ... arris-oaks

Sir H
This is an excellent resource for several reasons.

Hinckley's strange insistence on justifying Oaks and Nelson's call being one of them. Is there any precedence for this kind of thing? It feels very forced... very unnatural.

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tmac wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 8:00 am
HVDC wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 7:51 am I have not been able to identify the Chicago Law Firm he worked at for three years.

And I don't have time right now to keep looking.

Does anyone know?

"...Elder Oaks was able to obtain a coveted position as law clerk to Earl Warren, chief justice of the United States Supreme Court. Returning to Chicago, he practiced corporate law for three years and then became a professor at the prestigious law school from which he had received his degree. Over the next ten years he distinguished himself as a teacher and scholar and also served as associate and acting dean and as executive director of the American Bar Foundation. In 1971, Elder Oaks was appointed president of Brigham Young University..."

Sir H
Kirkland, Ellis, Hodson, Chaffetz & Masters, otherwise usually referred to simply as Kirkland, Ellis -- which obviously served as a great springboard for many of his elitist connections. It is fair to say that DHO did not necessarily come from an elite background, but he very, very quickly developed a multitude of elitist connections.
This feels like a critical piece of the puzzle.

Why was he chosen out?

By his own admission, he wasn't all that smart.

He was ambitious, and by all accounts, very hard working. I saw a source where his first wife says he was gone from 7am to 11pm every day except for Sunday during the early years of their marriage. Her quote was something along the lines of "those were very difficult times". I know what that means when my wife says it... I don't imagine it means anything all that different when Sister Oaks says it.

He was also deeply traumatized by the loss of his father at an impressionable age, as we all would be.

So why?

And who... WHO chose Dallin H. Oaks to be catapulted into this elite circle? That is a good research question right there...

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endlessismyname wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 9:55 am
HVDC wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 7:44 am This has been discussed before, but let's put it here anyway:

https://rsc.byu.edu/prophets-apostles-l ... arris-oaks

Sir H
This is an excellent resource for several reasons.

Hinckley's strange insistence on justifying Oaks and Nelson's call being one of them. Is there any precedence for this kind of thing? It feels very forced... very unnatural.
Yes, this has bothered me for years. The story feels like a couple of guys careers are pushed up the ladder of because of the groups they belong to. But why was GBH pushing them up and who was telling him to do it?

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gkearney wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 7:39 am
HVDC wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 7:30 am
tmac wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 7:24 amDHO Obama 1.JPG
Is Obama inside a temple in this picture?

Sir H
No that’s the oval office in the White House.
What's the difference?

A temple is a temple

Or in other words,

A white house is a white house.

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endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 8:38 pm Here's some demographic info on Oaks. A good resource. Couldn't get to the page unless I went to the text-only cached version:
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Dallin Harris Oaks, American lawyer, church official. Bar: Illinois 1957, Utah 1971.
Background
Oaks, Dallin Harris was born on August 12, 1932 in Provo, Utah, United States. Son of Lloyd E. and Stella (Harris) Oaks.

Education
Bachelor with high honors, Brigham Young University, 1954. Doctor of Laws (honorary), Brigham Young University, 1980. Juris Doctor cum laude, University Chicago, 1957.

Doctor of Laws (honorary), Pepperdine University, 1982. Doctor of Laws (honorary), Southern Utah University, 1991.

Career
Law clerk to Chief Justice Earl Warren, Supreme Court of the United States Court, 1957-1958; with, firm Kirkland, Ellis, Hodson, Chaffetz & Masters, Chicago, 1958-1961; member of faculty, University of Chicago Law School, 1961-1971; associate dean and acting dean, University of Chicago Law School, 1962; professor, University of Chicago Law School, 1964-1971; member visiting committee, University of Chicago Law School, 1971-1974; president, Brigham Young U., Provo, Utah., 1971-1980; also professor of law, J. Reuben Clark Law School, 1974-1980; justice, Utah Supreme Court, 1981-1984; member Council of Twelve Apostles, Church Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, since 1984. Legal counsel Bill of Rights committee Illinois Constitutional Convention, 1970.

Achievements
Dallin Harris Oaks has been listed as a reputable Lawyer, church official by Marquis Who's Who.

Works
Criminal Justice System and the Indigent: Study of Chicago and Cook County Criminal Justice System and the Indigent: Study of Chicago and Cook County Leather Edition Limited to 730 Copies With Full Purpose of Heart Leather Edition Limited to 730 Copies With Full Purpose of Heart His Holy Name His Holy Name Pure in Heart Pure in Heart With Full Purpose of Heart: Collection of Messages by Dallin H. Oaks With Full Purpose of Heart: Collection of Messages by Dallin H. Oaks With Full Purpose of Heart: Collection of Messages by Dallin H. Oaks Hardcover - October, 2002 With Full Purpose of Heart: Collection of Messages by Dallin H. Oaks Hardcover - October, 2002 Trust Doctrines in Church Controversies Trust Doctrines in Church Controversies
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His Holy Name
(The holy name of Jesus Christ is invoked daily in prayers...)

Cases and Text on the Law of Trusts (University Casebook Series)
(Turn to this reference for all the major aspects of the l...)

Pure in Heart
( "Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God....)

Trust Doctrines in Church Controversies
(Book by Oaks, Dallin H.)

With Full Purpose of Heart: Collection of Messages by Dallin H. Oaks
(Elder Dallin H. Oaks, known for his keen gospel insights ...)

The Criminal justice act in the Federal District courts
Criminal Justice System and the Indigent: Study of Chicago and Cook County
Wall Between Church and State (Phoenix Books)
The Wall between Church and State. Contributors: Robert F. Drinan And Others
Leather Edition Limited to 730 Copies With Full Purpose of Heart
The Wall Between Church and State
With Full Purpose of Heart: Collection of Messages by Dallin H. Oaks Hardcover - October, 2002
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Those who choose not to follow Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ will receive a reward according to what they have done in this life, but they will not enjoy the glory of living in the presence of God.

Membership
Member advisory committee National Institute Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice, 1974—1976. Member Wilson council Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, 1973—1980. Trustee Intermountain Health Care Inc., 1975—1980.

Regional representative Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1974—1980, past 1st counselor Chicago South Stake. Board directors Notre Dame Center for Constitutional Studies, 1977—1980, Rockford Institute, 1980—2000, Public Broadcasting Service, 1977—1985, chairman, 1980—1985. Board directors Polynesian Cultural Center, 1987—1996, chairman, 1988—1996.

Fellow: American Bar Foundation (executive director 1970-1971). Member: American Association President Indiana Colleges and Universities (president 1975-1978, director 1971-1978), Order of Coif.

Connections
Married June Dixon, June 24, 1952 (deceased July 1998). Children: Sharmon, Cheri Lyn, Lloyd D., Dallin D., TruAnn, Jenny June. Married Kristen McMain, August 25, 2000.

Father:
Lloyd E. Oaks
Mother:
Stella (Harris) Oaks
Spouse:
June Dixon
Spouse:
Kristen McMain
child:
Dallin D. Oaks
child:
TruAnn Oaks
child:
Cheri Lyn Oaks
child:
Jenny June Oaks
child:
Lloyd D. Oaks
child:
Sharmon Oaks
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College is expensive.

Oaks presumably came from humble beginnings.

His did he afford it?

Paid as he went along?

So smart he got a free ride?

Benefactors?

Combination of means?

All of those professional organizations require membership or association fees; some rather expensive.

Who pays?

Is he a first born?

Was he given to the cult?

Who is in his ancestry?

Is there a way to see who is related to whom in this bunch?

Sir H

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Lineman1012 wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 10:33 am
endlessismyname wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 9:55 am
HVDC wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 7:44 am This has been discussed before, but let's put it here anyway:

https://rsc.byu.edu/prophets-apostles-l ... arris-oaks

Sir H
This is an excellent resource for several reasons.

Hinckley's strange insistence on justifying Oaks and Nelson's call being one of them. Is there any precedence for this kind of thing? It feels very forced... very unnatural.
Yes, this has bothered me for years. The story feels like a couple of guys careers are pushed up the ladder of because of the groups they belong to. But why was GBH pushing them up and who was telling him to do it?
Secrets.

Keeping them might be worth a lot.

Certainly a possibility.

Sir H

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endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 8:57 pm And one last, really weird, connection for tonight:

Oaks did serve on the board of The Rockford Institute, from 1980-2000, as can be seen from my post above.

The Rockford Institute, at first glance, is just a weird blip on the map. It was small, not all that influential, and went away fairly quickly.

It's weird, because it was supposedly what all the sites call a "paleoconservative" organization. Paleoconservativism is defined as:

"a person who advocates old or traditional forms of conservatism; an extremely right-wing conservative."

So you've got Oaks, who's on the board of PBS - one of the most left leaning organizations in the world, and also on the board of The Rockford Institute, supposedly one of the most right leaning institutions in the world.

But when you look at Rockford, you see one of it's major activities was running the John Randolph Club.

Who was John Randolph? Here's where it gets weird:

"Randolph suffered from a condition that hindered his maturation, perhaps Klinefelter's Syndrome. He never had a beard and his famous orator's voice was high pitched, some said womanly. Steve Vogel describes Randolph this way:

'Randolph's small head, raised shoulders, tiny waist, and long, thin legs gave him the look of a crane, and appearance made all the more pronounced by his clothing, usually a swallowtail coat adorned with a white cravat in which he would bury his neck.'"

and this:

'"Timothy Stanley wrote in The American Conservative that:

"John Randolph of Roanoke was everything the modern conservative might despise: aristocratic, sexually ambiguous, occasionally irreligious, anti-party, and the sworn enemy of military adventurism. His personality suggests he might have had more in common with the late Gore Vidal than Sarah Palin. Yet Randolph still stands out as one of the most important conservative thinkers of the generation after the Founding Fathers."
K. A. Muston wrote in the Daily Kos that "The man represents the tap root of two great branches in American conservative politics, patrician conservatives and gay conservatives; because if John Randolph wasn’t gay, then neither was Roy Cohen."'

and this:

'"When I was in Richmond a few days since," said Mr. Ridgely Howard of Baltimore to a representative of the Washington Star at the New Willard, "I made one of those bad breaks which prove so embarrassing. I was a guest of a member of the crack Westmoreland club, and after a slight repast I was escorted through the building for the purpose of viewing the pictures, relics of the civil war, -etc. During the tour mentioned my attention was particularly attracted to the portrait of what I took to be a very handsome brunette. I incidentally remarked to my host that the young lady was quite pretty, when, with a low chuckle, he replied, 'Yes, quite pretty, but as a matter of fact the picture represents John Randolph of Roanoke at 18.' You also smile, but let me explain how I was caught. The hair was parted in the middle and neatly combed back of the ears; the features were of a purely feminine mold, and the expression of the eyes and face was so shy and bashful that you will readily understand how I was deceived. One can hardly conceive, looking at the portrait of Randolph at the age represented, that he could ever grow into the cynical and disagreeable creature he is reported to have been in his later years. If he ever had love affairs which went wrong I have never heard of them. As near as I can learn he never had any real ardent affection for any woman except his mother, who, it is said, was beautiful, and whom it is also said he closely resembled in beauty as a child."'

So this small, weird "paleoconservative" organization ran a club named after - John Randolph? And Dallin H. Oaks, who by this time was rather influential, decided to sit on their Board of Directors (which is strange in and of itself because I don't think "paleoconservatives" are all that fond of Mormons as a general rule)?

Um, okay.

@FoxMammaWisdom - wanna do some analysis on John Randolph? There are several portraits here:

http://allenbrowne.blogspot.com/2016/01 ... anoke.html

EDIT: I just want to point out, finds like this are why rummaging through the trash, while not pleasant, is sometimes important.

EDIT TWO: I missed a critical quote from the article. It's been a long night:

"It seems Randolph was not gay, he was more or less asexual due to his lack of physical development. Stanley quotes Bill Kauffman that “Dr. Francis West conducted a post-mortem examination of Randolph and recorded that the ‘scrotum was scarcely at all developed,’ with only a right testicle ‘the size of a small bean.’” We might say that John Randolph of Roanoke was neither a heterosexual nor a homosexual but falls somewhere else in the LGBT spectrum."
Pedophiles.

Sir H

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HVDC wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 1:23 pm
Lineman1012 wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 10:33 am
endlessismyname wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 9:55 am
HVDC wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 7:44 am This has been discussed before, but let's put it here anyway:

https://rsc.byu.edu/prophets-apostles-l ... arris-oaks

Sir H
This is an excellent resource for several reasons.

Hinckley's strange insistence on justifying Oaks and Nelson's call being one of them. Is there any precedence for this kind of thing? It feels very forced... very unnatural.
Yes, this has bothered me for years. The story feels like a couple of guys careers are pushed up the ladder of because of the groups they belong to. But why was GBH pushing them up and who was telling him to do it?
Secrets.

Keeping them might be worth a lot.

Certainly a possibility.

Sir H
Isn’t that a problem? The Lord doesn’t deal in secret works. Hmmmmm…

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endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 11:02 pm
Dusty Wanderer wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 10:56 pm
endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 8:57 pm
So you've got Oaks, who's on the board of PBS - one of the most left leaning organizations in the world, and also on the board of The Rockford Institute, supposedly one of the most right leaning institutions in the world.
Don't know if there's anything to this, but I recalled coming across it as I was putting together my previous post on his stake presidency counselors in Chicago. I think the other counselor had high-profile broadcasting connections.
In October 1962, U.S. President John F. Kennedy (no relation) appointed him a member of a private corporation (COMSAT) to own and operate the United States' share of a global satellite communications system. He was elected to the permanent board of directors in 1964.
https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/David_M._Kennedy
There's definitely some weirdness going on in that Rockford area surrounding the church and it's leadership. Seems to be a "launching pad" for church leaders.

For example, in the conference after Oaks is made an apostle, one of his old stake presidency buddies gets a "promotion" to a "new", "non-lifetime" First Quorum of the Seventy calling:

Here's the link to the call:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... s?lang=eng

"It is proposed, therefore, that we sustain the following as members of the First Quorum of the Seventy in these circumstances: Elder John Sonnenberg of Chicago, who has served as a bishop, a stake president, and is currently serving as a Regional Representative and chairman of the Chicago Temple committee"

And here's the evidence regarding how close he and Oaks were:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... s?lang=eng

Then you've got Kennedy's, Romney's, and all kinds of other people coming out of that area.

It's like the Racine, WI of the Mormon church, for those who know what that means.
I don't know.

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endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 8:21 pm Okay, after a night of research, I think I'm pretty clear that Jon Bystrom is, at best, a sloppy writer.

Looks like a personal feud has blown up into something much bigger in his mind.

Doesn't make him wrong - just makes him extremely biased, and not a good source, except for claims that can be verified or falsified through other, less biased sources.

I feel for the man - I truly do. But even if he has a case, you have to be able to state your case clearly and compellingly, and he doesn't (in my opinion).

The sheer number of "coincidences" regarding what Bystrom talks about, and what AGF talked about, is the most interesting find of the night. This little subculture is something I was not aware of before reading the Railroad thread.
I am wondering if Jon thought he was one of the club.

But was actually a mark.

Kinda like playing poker.

If you can't spot the mark.

It's probably you.

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HVDC wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 2:22 pm
endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 8:21 pm Okay, after a night of research, I think I'm pretty clear that Jon Bystrom is, at best, a sloppy writer.

Looks like a personal feud has blown up into something much bigger in his mind.

Doesn't make him wrong - just makes him extremely biased, and not a good source, except for claims that can be verified or falsified through other, less biased sources.

I feel for the man - I truly do. But even if he has a case, you have to be able to state your case clearly and compellingly, and he doesn't (in my opinion).

The sheer number of "coincidences" regarding what Bystrom talks about, and what AGF talked about, is the most interesting find of the night. This little subculture is something I was not aware of before reading the Railroad thread.
I am wondering if Jon thought he was one of the club.

But was actually a mark.

Kinda like playing poker.

If you can't spot the mark.

It's probably you.

Sir H
One of my favorite movies of all time is Rounders, I also just enjoy watching the pros play and good players play poker and even the tourneys, I love watching the world series of poker, etc.... But this opening scene from Rounders, man what a great movie.

https://youtu.be/YdYQyIJiOyU
But it was what you said in your post that reminded of a part from this movie, when Matt says:
'Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in your first half-hour at the table, then you are the sucker.'
What an awesome movie man😎👍

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endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 8:57 pm EDIT: I just want to point out, finds like this are why rummaging through the trash, while not pleasant, is sometimes important.
I AGREE!! This is the "trash" TPTB hope we don't pick apart and figure out their schemes. :idea: :)


MY EVAL BY REQUEST:

OK Randolph has some really disturbing nuggets of info in his "history". This is describing what happens to a pre-pubescent child when they perform one of their inversion rituals:
As a child John had a slim body and beautiful face. But before long the skin tightened and the eyes protruded. His face became and remained the face of a sallow youth, adolescent yet wrinkled, his voice shrill and piercing, his eyes burning as he gestured. His body and fingers grew elongated. Apparently his voice never changed from that of a child. That his impotence followed an attack of scarlet fever, or of measles or mumps, as his biographers have variously suggested, is doubtful. An endocrine imbalance could have caused this failure to develop normally. All these symptoms, frequently accompanied by abnormal brilliance, would seem to indicate that he had never been potent.
Those are the RESULTS of what they do in elite inversion rituals. They do it by sodomizing a child in a violent way that forces spinal secretions into the brain, and forces their "veil drop", but does it in a way that basically "seals" their soul to evil, not good.

This ritual is HOW they become "abnormally brilliant" (like they mentioned above connected to all these other "symptoms"). Klinefelter's Syndrome could describe some of the physical symptoms, but not this part since KS is associated with mental disabilities, lower IQ, etc. After the ritual causes them to lose the veil, they have dark-physical and otherwise, entities and forces assisting/teaching them - helping them with that abnormal brilliance. They CREATE insane/psychopathic geniuses this way.

The ritual physically inhibits the changes experienced during puberty like voice changes, or shoulders growing broad, or facial hair, etc...., the ritual also destroys the ability to reproduce, causes unnatural androgynous physical growth like described above, and specifically, it causes the eyes to bulge (from the violent sodomization) and will often blacken the eyes.
"One can hardly conceive, looking at the portrait of Randolph at the age represented..."
This is another side effect of this ritual - "unnatural youthful appearance" - one of their "fountains of youth".

As they ALLUDE... this all happened when "something happened" to Randall, as a CHILD, and caused these effects. Other possible conditions would have been apparent at birth, but this came on during John's youth.

Now the images - none of which seem to be actual photos (unless they lied about old photography and those are real images with the same kind of filters we have today...), but that's OK - they also showed inversions in historical artwork/paintings/sculptures, etc. This is a BIG, OLD club.

So here's what I see:
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Additional things to note - the slim hands/fingers/wrists characteristic of females, though they didn't provide me with any images that clearly show the digit ratio.

Scarlet fever, measles, mumps... I had all those too. They sucked, but I still had babies later on, and am not "inverted" from having those diseases.

They have made an art out of their lies and deceptions! So given the info I have today, I believe John Randolph of Roanokae was born a girl, and INVERTED in a pre-puberty ritual, like the ones they do, and that is WHY he was "odd" in all those specific ways.

I believe they tell us stories like his to distract us from "looking in the trash". ;)
'"...'Yes, quite pretty, but as a matter of fact the picture represents John Randolph of Roanoke at 18.' You also smile, but let me explain how I was caught. The hair was parted in the middle and neatly combed back of the ears; the features were of a purely feminine mold, and the expression of the eyes and face was so shy and bashful that you will readily understand how I was deceived..."'
So I have no idea what Oak's connection to this guy is - I'm still trying to get thru the original Railroad thread. But I will say I am 100% not surprised running into more of this as I research Mormon history and relationships and "trash".

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FoxMammaWisdom wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:00 pm
endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 8:57 pm EDIT: I just want to point out, finds like this are why rummaging through the trash, while not pleasant, is sometimes important.
I AGREE!! This is the "trash" TPTB hope we don't pick apart and figure out their schemes. :idea: :)


MY EVAL BY REQUEST:

OK Randolph has some really disturbing nuggets of info in his "history". This is describing what happens to a pre-pubescent child when they perform one of their inversion rituals:
As a child John had a slim body and beautiful face. But before long the skin tightened and the eyes protruded. His face became and remained the face of a sallow youth, adolescent yet wrinkled, his voice shrill and piercing, his eyes burning as he gestured. His body and fingers grew elongated. Apparently his voice never changed from that of a child. That his impotence followed an attack of scarlet fever, or of measles or mumps, as his biographers have variously suggested, is doubtful. An endocrine imbalance could have caused this failure to develop normally. All these symptoms, frequently accompanied by abnormal brilliance, would seem to indicate that he had never been potent.
Those are the RESULTS of what they do in elite inversion rituals. They do it by sodomizing a child in a violent way that forces spinal secretions into the brain, and forces their "veil drop", but does it in a way that basically "seals" their soul to evil, not good.

This ritual is HOW they become "abnormally brilliant" (like they mentioned above connected to all these other "symptoms"). Klinefelter's Syndrome could describe some of the physical symptoms, but not this part since KS is associated with mental disabilities, lower IQ, etc. After the ritual causes them to lose the veil, they have dark-physical and otherwise, entities and forces assisting/teaching them - helping them with that abnormal brilliance. They CREATE insane/psychopathic geniuses this way.

The ritual physically inhibits the changes experienced during puberty like voice changes, or shoulders growing broad, or facial hair, etc...., the ritual also destroys the ability to reproduce, causes unnatural androgynous physical growth like described above, and specifically, it causes the eyes to bulge (from the violent sodomization) and will often blacken the eyes.
"One can hardly conceive, looking at the portrait of Randolph at the age represented..."
This is another side effect of this ritual - "unnatural youthful appearance" - one of their "fountains of youth".

As they ALLUDE... this all happened when "something happened" to Randall, as a CHILD, and caused these effects. Other possible conditions would have been apparent at birth, but this came on during John's youth.

Now the images - none of which seem to be actual photos (unless they lied about old photography and those are real images with the same kind of filters we have today...), but that's OK - they also showed inversions in historical artwork/paintings/sculptures, etc. This is a BIG, OLD club.

So here's what I see:

Snapshot_571.jpgSnapshot_576.jpg

Additional things to note - the slim hands/fingers/wrists characteristic of females, though they didn't provide me with any images that clearly show the digit ratio.

Scarlet fever, measles, mumps... I had all those too. They sucked, but I still had babies later on, and am not "inverted" from having those diseases.

They have made an art out of their lies and deceptions! So given the info I have today, I believe John Randolph of Roanokae was born a girl, and INVERTED in a pre-puberty ritual, like the ones they do, and that is WHY he was "odd" in all those specific ways.

I believe they tell us stories like his to distract us from "looking in the trash". ;)
'"...'Yes, quite pretty, but as a matter of fact the picture represents John Randolph of Roanoke at 18.' You also smile, but let me explain how I was caught. The hair was parted in the middle and neatly combed back of the ears; the features were of a purely feminine mold, and the expression of the eyes and face was so shy and bashful that you will readily understand how I was deceived..."'
So I have no idea what Oak's connection to this guy is - I'm still trying to get thru the original Railroad thread. But I will say I am 100% not surprised running into more of this as I research Mormon history and relationships and "trash".
Panda eyes... 😢 💔

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FoxMammaWisdom wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:00 pm
endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 8:57 pm EDIT: I just want to point out, finds like this are why rummaging through the trash, while not pleasant, is sometimes important.
I AGREE!! This is the "trash" TPTB hope we don't pick apart and figure out their schemes. :idea: :)


MY EVAL BY REQUEST:

OK Randolph has some really disturbing nuggets of info in his "history". This is describing what happens to a pre-pubescent child when they perform one of their inversion rituals:
As a child John had a slim body and beautiful face. But before long the skin tightened and the eyes protruded. His face became and remained the face of a sallow youth, adolescent yet wrinkled, his voice shrill and piercing, his eyes burning as he gestured. His body and fingers grew elongated. Apparently his voice never changed from that of a child. That his impotence followed an attack of scarlet fever, or of measles or mumps, as his biographers have variously suggested, is doubtful. An endocrine imbalance could have caused this failure to develop normally. All these symptoms, frequently accompanied by abnormal brilliance, would seem to indicate that he had never been potent.
Those are the RESULTS of what they do in elite inversion rituals. They do it by sodomizing a child in a violent way that forces spinal secretions into the brain, and forces their "veil drop", but does it in a way that basically "seals" their soul to evil, not good.

This ritual is HOW they become "abnormally brilliant" (like they mentioned above connected to all these other "symptoms"). Klinefelter's Syndrome could describe some of the physical symptoms, but not this part since KS is associated with mental disabilities, lower IQ, etc. After the ritual causes them to lose the veil, they have dark-physical and otherwise, entities and forces assisting/teaching them - helping them with that abnormal brilliance. They CREATE insane/psychopathic geniuses this way.

The ritual physically inhibits the changes experienced during puberty like voice changes, or shoulders growing broad, or facial hair, etc...., the ritual also destroys the ability to reproduce, causes unnatural androgynous physical growth like described above, and specifically, it causes the eyes to bulge (from the violent sodomization) and will often blacken the eyes.
"One can hardly conceive, looking at the portrait of Randolph at the age represented..."
This is another side effect of this ritual - "unnatural youthful appearance" - one of their "fountains of youth".

As they ALLUDE... this all happened when "something happened" to Randall, as a CHILD, and caused these effects. Other possible conditions would have been apparent at birth, but this came on during John's youth.

Now the images - none of which seem to be actual photos (unless they lied about old photography and those are real images with the same kind of filters we have today...), but that's OK - they also showed inversions in historical artwork/paintings/sculptures, etc. This is a BIG, OLD club.

So here's what I see:

Snapshot_571.jpgSnapshot_576.jpg

Additional things to note - the slim hands/fingers/wrists characteristic of females, though they didn't provide me with any images that clearly show the digit ratio.

Scarlet fever, measles, mumps... I had all those too. They sucked, but I still had babies later on, and am not "inverted" from having those diseases.

They have made an art out of their lies and deceptions! So given the info I have today, I believe John Randolph of Roanokae was born a girl, and INVERTED in a pre-puberty ritual, like the ones they do, and that is WHY he was "odd" in all those specific ways.

I believe they tell us stories like his to distract us from "looking in the trash". ;)
'"...'Yes, quite pretty, but as a matter of fact the picture represents John Randolph of Roanoke at 18.' You also smile, but let me explain how I was caught. The hair was parted in the middle and neatly combed back of the ears; the features were of a purely feminine mold, and the expression of the eyes and face was so shy and bashful that you will readily understand how I was deceived..."'
So I have no idea what Oak's connection to this guy is - I'm still trying to get thru the original Railroad thread. But I will say I am 100% not surprised running into more of this as I research Mormon history and relationships and "trash".
Interesting.

This expands upon my female brain thesis.

However.

Maybe they are actually born female.

But live as males.

So of course.

They have female brains.

It's the modification that matters.

Think about how many contemporary world figures who are still alive that fit this mold.

Ancient indeed.

A part of Cain's knowledge we never suspected.

We are up against a horrific enemy.

They are playing the long con.

We need to wake up before it's too late.

We should look at the gaits of all of the politicians that are paraded before us.

If this is true.

There will be a correlation.

Sir H

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Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

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HVDC wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:47 pm
FoxMammaWisdom wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:00 pm
endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 8:57 pm EDIT: I just want to point out, finds like this are why rummaging through the trash, while not pleasant, is sometimes important.
I AGREE!! This is the "trash" TPTB hope we don't pick apart and figure out their schemes. :idea: :)


MY EVAL BY REQUEST:

OK Randolph has some really disturbing nuggets of info in his "history". This is describing what happens to a pre-pubescent child when they perform one of their inversion rituals:
As a child John had a slim body and beautiful face. But before long the skin tightened and the eyes protruded. His face became and remained the face of a sallow youth, adolescent yet wrinkled, his voice shrill and piercing, his eyes burning as he gestured. His body and fingers grew elongated. Apparently his voice never changed from that of a child. That his impotence followed an attack of scarlet fever, or of measles or mumps, as his biographers have variously suggested, is doubtful. An endocrine imbalance could have caused this failure to develop normally. All these symptoms, frequently accompanied by abnormal brilliance, would seem to indicate that he had never been potent.
Those are the RESULTS of what they do in elite inversion rituals. They do it by sodomizing a child in a violent way that forces spinal secretions into the brain, and forces their "veil drop", but does it in a way that basically "seals" their soul to evil, not good.

This ritual is HOW they become "abnormally brilliant" (like they mentioned above connected to all these other "symptoms"). Klinefelter's Syndrome could describe some of the physical symptoms, but not this part since KS is associated with mental disabilities, lower IQ, etc. After the ritual causes them to lose the veil, they have dark-physical and otherwise, entities and forces assisting/teaching them - helping them with that abnormal brilliance. They CREATE insane/psychopathic geniuses this way.

The ritual physically inhibits the changes experienced during puberty like voice changes, or shoulders growing broad, or facial hair, etc...., the ritual also destroys the ability to reproduce, causes unnatural androgynous physical growth like described above, and specifically, it causes the eyes to bulge (from the violent sodomization) and will often blacken the eyes.
"One can hardly conceive, looking at the portrait of Randolph at the age represented..."
This is another side effect of this ritual - "unnatural youthful appearance" - one of their "fountains of youth".

As they ALLUDE... this all happened when "something happened" to Randall, as a CHILD, and caused these effects. Other possible conditions would have been apparent at birth, but this came on during John's youth.

Now the images - none of which seem to be actual photos (unless they lied about old photography and those are real images with the same kind of filters we have today...), but that's OK - they also showed inversions in historical artwork/paintings/sculptures, etc. This is a BIG, OLD club.

So here's what I see:

Snapshot_571.jpgSnapshot_576.jpg

Additional things to note - the slim hands/fingers/wrists characteristic of females, though they didn't provide me with any images that clearly show the digit ratio.

Scarlet fever, measles, mumps... I had all those too. They sucked, but I still had babies later on, and am not "inverted" from having those diseases.

They have made an art out of their lies and deceptions! So given the info I have today, I believe John Randolph of Roanokae was born a girl, and INVERTED in a pre-puberty ritual, like the ones they do, and that is WHY he was "odd" in all those specific ways.

I believe they tell us stories like his to distract us from "looking in the trash". ;)
'"...'Yes, quite pretty, but as a matter of fact the picture represents John Randolph of Roanoke at 18.' You also smile, but let me explain how I was caught. The hair was parted in the middle and neatly combed back of the ears; the features were of a purely feminine mold, and the expression of the eyes and face was so shy and bashful that you will readily understand how I was deceived..."'
So I have no idea what Oak's connection to this guy is - I'm still trying to get thru the original Railroad thread. But I will say I am 100% not surprised running into more of this as I research Mormon history and relationships and "trash".
Interesting.

This expands upon my female brain thesis.

However.

Maybe they are actually born female.

But live as males.

So of course.

They have female brains.

It's the modification that matters.

Think about how many contemporary world figures who are still alive that fit this mold.

Ancient indeed.

A part of Cain's knowledge we never suspected.

We are up against a horrific enemy.

They are playing the long con.

We need to wake up before it's too late.

We should look at the gaits of all of the politicians that are paraded before us.

If this is true.

There will be a correlation.

Sir H
This guy does so daily and posts on twitter and youtube.

https://twitter.com/TheSono71468392

To look to see if he's already investigated someone on twitter, just post this into the twitter search bar:

@TheSono71468392 name of person

You can also make a request if he hasn't done them yet.

There are a lot of politicians, celebrities, sports figures, etc. already on there.

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Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

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Wondering Wendy wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 6:09 pm
HVDC wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:47 pm
FoxMammaWisdom wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 5:00 pm
endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 8:57 pm EDIT: I just want to point out, finds like this are why rummaging through the trash, while not pleasant, is sometimes important.
I AGREE!! This is the "trash" TPTB hope we don't pick apart and figure out their schemes. :idea: :)


MY EVAL BY REQUEST:

OK Randolph has some really disturbing nuggets of info in his "history". This is describing what happens to a pre-pubescent child when they perform one of their inversion rituals:
As a child John had a slim body and beautiful face. But before long the skin tightened and the eyes protruded. His face became and remained the face of a sallow youth, adolescent yet wrinkled, his voice shrill and piercing, his eyes burning as he gestured. His body and fingers grew elongated. Apparently his voice never changed from that of a child. That his impotence followed an attack of scarlet fever, or of measles or mumps, as his biographers have variously suggested, is doubtful. An endocrine imbalance could have caused this failure to develop normally. All these symptoms, frequently accompanied by abnormal brilliance, would seem to indicate that he had never been potent.
Those are the RESULTS of what they do in elite inversion rituals. They do it by sodomizing a child in a violent way that forces spinal secretions into the brain, and forces their "veil drop", but does it in a way that basically "seals" their soul to evil, not good.

This ritual is HOW they become "abnormally brilliant" (like they mentioned above connected to all these other "symptoms"). Klinefelter's Syndrome could describe some of the physical symptoms, but not this part since KS is associated with mental disabilities, lower IQ, etc. After the ritual causes them to lose the veil, they have dark-physical and otherwise, entities and forces assisting/teaching them - helping them with that abnormal brilliance. They CREATE insane/psychopathic geniuses this way.

The ritual physically inhibits the changes experienced during puberty like voice changes, or shoulders growing broad, or facial hair, etc...., the ritual also destroys the ability to reproduce, causes unnatural androgynous physical growth like described above, and specifically, it causes the eyes to bulge (from the violent sodomization) and will often blacken the eyes.
"One can hardly conceive, looking at the portrait of Randolph at the age represented..."
This is another side effect of this ritual - "unnatural youthful appearance" - one of their "fountains of youth".

As they ALLUDE... this all happened when "something happened" to Randall, as a CHILD, and caused these effects. Other possible conditions would have been apparent at birth, but this came on during John's youth.

Now the images - none of which seem to be actual photos (unless they lied about old photography and those are real images with the same kind of filters we have today...), but that's OK - they also showed inversions in historical artwork/paintings/sculptures, etc. This is a BIG, OLD club.

So here's what I see:

Snapshot_571.jpgSnapshot_576.jpg

Additional things to note - the slim hands/fingers/wrists characteristic of females, though they didn't provide me with any images that clearly show the digit ratio.

Scarlet fever, measles, mumps... I had all those too. They sucked, but I still had babies later on, and am not "inverted" from having those diseases.

They have made an art out of their lies and deceptions! So given the info I have today, I believe John Randolph of Roanokae was born a girl, and INVERTED in a pre-puberty ritual, like the ones they do, and that is WHY he was "odd" in all those specific ways.

I believe they tell us stories like his to distract us from "looking in the trash". ;)
'"...'Yes, quite pretty, but as a matter of fact the picture represents John Randolph of Roanoke at 18.' You also smile, but let me explain how I was caught. The hair was parted in the middle and neatly combed back of the ears; the features were of a purely feminine mold, and the expression of the eyes and face was so shy and bashful that you will readily understand how I was deceived..."'
So I have no idea what Oak's connection to this guy is - I'm still trying to get thru the original Railroad thread. But I will say I am 100% not surprised running into more of this as I research Mormon history and relationships and "trash".
Interesting.

This expands upon my female brain thesis.

However.

Maybe they are actually born female.

But live as males.

So of course.

They have female brains.

It's the modification that matters.

Think about how many contemporary world figures who are still alive that fit this mold.

Ancient indeed.

A part of Cain's knowledge we never suspected.

We are up against a horrific enemy.

They are playing the long con.

We need to wake up before it's too late.

We should look at the gaits of all of the politicians that are paraded before us.

If this is true.

There will be a correlation.

Sir H
This guy does so daily and posts on twitter and youtube.

https://twitter.com/TheSono71468392

To look to see if he's already investigated someone on twitter, just post this into the twitter search bar:

@TheSono71468392 name of person

You can also make a request if he hasn't done them yet.

There are a lot of politicians, celebrities, sports figures, etc. already on there.
He's excellent! He also does decodes on their names which is where he gets his "Son-of-Man-Code" title from.

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Don't have much time tonight, but I always think it's wise to reach back as far as you can when researching a person, because it's amazing how many decisions in a person's life come from a position of trying to heal trauma from their childhood. Tonight I found this claim regarding Dallin's mother:

"After the death of her husband, Stella Oaks suffered an episode of mental illness and was unable to attend school and work for a time"
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Dallin_H._Oaks

The footnote goes to this article, which puts it much more delicately:

"After his father died, his mother tried to go back to school and work, but it proved to be too soon. Overwhelmed with responsibilities and overcome with grief, Stella Oaks had her children live with her parents for a time on a farm near Payson, Utah, just 12 miles south of Provo."

There is corroborating evidence that Stella was concerned about mental health
http://files.lib.byu.edu/ead/XML/MSS1712.xml#id41

Until I can find corroborating evidence I would consider this specific claim regarding a "bout of mental illness" unsubstantiated, but also a claim that seems likely to bear out as true.

Research indicates that Stella was highly interested in art:

"His mother was the artist's model for The Pioneer Mother, a public statue in Springville, Utah"

The statue was unveiled just weeks before Dallin was born:

"She (Stella) was present for the unveiling of the statue less than three weeks before Dallin Oaks was born"

The artist's name?

Cyrus Dallin.

"He (Dallin H. Oaks) was given the name Dallin in honor of Utah artist Cyrus Dallin."

I wonder how his Dad, Lloyd, felt about that.

I wonder how Dallin felt about that when he realized the name he was given was not a family name, but the name of an artist his mother worked with.

I wonder if Dallin had any questions for his Mom when it dawned on him that this artist was so important in his Mom's life that she named her first-born child after him.

I wonder if Dallin has ever found the courage to ask the question.

I wonder if anyone else has ever asked the question.

-----------------------------

I'll say this out loud, because I think it needs to be said: like many prominent men, Dallin's life makes a lot more sense the more you learn about his mother.

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I'd be interested to get my hands on this:

54 20 Communism,
Stella's handwritten notes, including notes from the talks of others. 9 items.

http://files.lib.byu.edu/ead/XML/MSS1712.xml#id41

Anyone in Provo that wants to go on a field trip?

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https://deseret.brightspotcdn.com/dims4 ... 73497.jpeg

I don't know anything about anything, but that's an interesting piece of jewelry Stella has on there. Can anyone else take a look and tell me if there's anything of interest there?

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Stella was highly political, with a large focus on women's issues, education, and it appears, race:

Here's a record of her spending time in Boulder, CO (the most liberal city in CO) at a conference in 1958:

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://mpaea.wildapricot.org/resources ... 201995.pdf

(Search for Stella Oaks)

This is actually quite fascinating to me, as Stella was apparently a pioneer in the field of adult education.

It just so happens that my Masters degree is in Adult Education.

So I know a bit about the roots of that movement, and who was behind it.

Nothing proven yet, but this is a meaty bone to chew on. Wonder where it will lead.

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Here's that corroborating evidence regarding Stella's struggles after her husband's death, in her own words:

"Six months after Lloyd’s funeral Stella left her little ones with her parents and journeyed to Columbia University in New York City to begin studies towards a Master’s Degree, but it was too soon. She recorded:

“As the weeks went by my heart…ache[d]…for my children…. I studied harder and longer in an effort to cope. One day as I was trying to write I was aware that my hands were trembling and that I could no longer recall the names of my children…. I began to sob and felt myself engulfed in a dark abyss from which I had not the power to raise myself. Though I was within three weeks of finishing the term, I could not do it. I was given incomplete grades and comforted by a counselor who said that in six or eight years I would get hold of myself and be able to return for completion…. This was the lowest ebb of my life; I had lost everything even myself.”

and:

May 1941 Suffered a nervous breakdown in New York City, May 1941; returned to Utah to recover.

from about the most official source you can get:
http://files.lib.byu.edu/ead/XML/MSS1712.xml#id41
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Speaking of "where did the money come from":

Despite her meager teaching salary, and after only three years’ absence, Stella returned to Columbia University for several spring and summer sessions to complete her Master’s Degree in Guidance and Personnel Administration in August 1946.

https://www.stellahoaks.org/about-stella

Columbia University, you say?

https://historyhalf.com/columbia-univer ... communism/

"When it comes to left wing politics, however, one university stands alone as the all-time champion. Columbia University has been a training ground for America-hating radicals since at least the start of the twentieth century."

EDIT: an interesting comment from this same site:

"You left out Columbia University creating an entire department labeled the “ New School “ and then importing the majority of the the most rabid Marxists in the world to staff the school. Their political strategy referred to now as “Critical Theory” is now destroying the United States. They are referred to as The Frankfurt School."

So, I think it's fair to ask, how was Stella Oaks influenced during her time at Columbia University, and how was Dallin influenced by his mother?

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endlessismyname wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 10:00 am
tmac wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 8:00 am
HVDC wrote: December 3rd, 2022, 7:51 am I have not been able to identify the Chicago Law Firm he worked at for three years.

And I don't have time right now to keep looking.

Does anyone know?

"...Elder Oaks was able to obtain a coveted position as law clerk to Earl Warren, chief justice of the United States Supreme Court. Returning to Chicago, he practiced corporate law for three years and then became a professor at the prestigious law school from which he had received his degree. Over the next ten years he distinguished himself as a teacher and scholar and also served as associate and acting dean and as executive director of the American Bar Foundation. In 1971, Elder Oaks was appointed president of Brigham Young University..."

Sir H
Kirkland, Ellis, Hodson, Chaffetz & Masters, otherwise usually referred to simply as Kirkland, Ellis -- which obviously served as a great springboard for many of his elitist connections. It is fair to say that DHO did not necessarily come from an elite background, but he very, very quickly developed a multitude of elitist connections.
This feels like a critical piece of the puzzle.

Why was he chosen out?

By his own admission, he wasn't all that smart.

He was ambitious, and by all accounts, very hard working. I saw a source where his first wife says he was gone from 7am to 11pm every day except for Sunday during the early years of their marriage. Her quote was something along the lines of "those were very difficult times". I know what that means when my wife says it... I don't imagine it means anything all that different when Sister Oaks says it.

He was also deeply traumatized by the loss of his father at an impressionable age, as we all would be.

So why?

And who... WHO chose Dallin H. Oaks to be catapulted into this elite circle? That is a good research question right there...
Here's an interesting story about President Oaks I was told by someone I used to know in Utah who ran in some upper level LDS circles at one time.

When Oaks was in high school his best friend's father owned a local bank. The father boasted in front of his son and Oaks that his new bank safe couldn't be cracked. Oaks took that as a challenge and he and his friends cracked the safe just to prove it could be done. (Of course, they didn't steal anything.) You don't see that side of him from the pulpit, do you?
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Fascinating insight here:

"A hint of Stella's formidable skills as a parent is contained in these memories of Dallin: Mother guided us through incentives, not commandments or pressure. She taught us to want what was good, and then stood back and let us make our choices. . . . We had some rules, but they were distinctly subordinate to her overriding technique of teaching by principles and by incentives. I remember how often she would tell me what I "wanted to do," and how I sometimes wondered why I wanted to do that. . . . This technique was very influential with me."

incentives... not commandments...

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