Official Church statement: Respect for Marriage Act

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So, how are things? Have you talked to your friends or families about this marriage thing yet? Do you think anyone will bring it up on Sunday, if you attend? A couple of my family members feel that this was inevitable, like polygamy, so the Church is not to blame. Is it the last straw for people you know? Or was the whole vax thing? I hear that people are leaving the Church, but it's not like the Church is transparent: "Latest figures from Church News on this week's apostasy..."

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Subcomandante wrote: November 15th, 2022, 4:29 pm https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... a9W4aO0UUQ

--BEGIN STATEMENT--

The doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints related to marriage between a man and a woman is well known and will remain unchanged.

We are grateful for the continuing efforts of those who work to ensure the Respect for Marriage Act includes appropriate religious freedom protections while respecting the law and preserving the rights of our LGBTQ brothers and sisters.

We believe this approach is the way forward. As we work together to preserve the principles and practices of religious freedom together with the rights of LGBTQ individuals, much can be accomplished to heal relationships and foster greater understanding.

--END STATEMENT--

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that the Church is recognizing that they don't live on an island, but amongst a pluralistic society that has many different opinions on what marriage is. The Church reserves the right to declare its doctrine on marriage as being between a man and a woman, and will continue doing so; that is not going to change nor will it change.

The Church does not believe in FORCING governments to adhere to its definition of marriage. Nor does it believe that the government has the right to FORCE a specific definition of marriage on people who might disagree with this interpretation. The moment the government starts to abuse that power, the Church will be forceful amongst the opponents on that abuse of power.
The whole thing is a fraud. As usual, the title of the statement and it's contents represent what appears to be a very good idea. Unfortunately, no democrat has ever had a good idea. The church will continue to follow the satanic government as they always do. They lie along the way to make it appear that they have a good plan.

No person that believes in big government, labor unions, property tax, abortion, mandatory vaccinations, registration of guns or automobiles, voting without ID, the legality of a police officer to pull over any vehicle without a warrant, any social program administered by government, a federal department of education, a bureau of land management, and any of the thousands of other things that democrats believe, should not even be listened to. They should be labeled evil as they most certainly are.

As long as the Q15 contain democrats (dedicated disciples of satan), nothing that they say even has the possibility of being Christlike. The lies that they tell that appear to lead people to Christ should be seen as the acts of a pretender. One can not suggest being a good global citizen and expect to be viewed as a follower of Christ.

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My friend sent me this talk from Elder Faust in 1994. Now, this is the church that I joined, not the namby-pamby fem-fest of today. In this talk, Elder Faust talks about political correctness, the fallacy of 'sustainability' and the madness of the gay agenda. Here, he is talking about sustainability before getting into the gay agenda:

https://youtu.be/qcHQikcmO1U?t=731

Boy, where is this wisdom today in the church? It's completely gone.
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Married housing on BYU campuses is about to get very interesting if this passes.

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anonymous91 wrote: November 18th, 2022, 11:17 pm Married housing on BYU campuses is about to get very interesting if this passes.
All a male prison inmate has to do is declare that he identifies as female and he gets placed with the women, where lots of pregnancies begin to occur.

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NowWhat wrote: November 18th, 2022, 8:54 pm So, how are things? Have you talked to your friends or families about this marriage thing yet? Do you think anyone will bring it up on Sunday, if you attend? A couple of my family members feel that this was inevitable, like polygamy, so the Church is not to blame. Is it the last straw for people you know? Or was the whole vax thing? I hear that people are leaving the Church, but it's not like the Church is transparent: "Latest figures from Church News on this week's apostasy..."
In my circles I find that people don’t want to talk about it. Many are unaware of it. Perhaps out here where it is a three day drive to SLC it doesn’t have as much impact. Folks go out of their way to avoid unsettling information.

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NowWhat wrote: November 18th, 2022, 8:54 pm So, how are things? Have you talked to your friends or families about this marriage thing yet? Do you think anyone will bring it up on Sunday, if you attend? A couple of my family members feel that this was inevitable, like polygamy, so the Church is not to blame. Is it the last straw for people you know? Or was the whole vax thing? I hear that people are leaving the Church, but it's not like the Church is transparent: "Latest figures from Church News on this week's apostasy..."
Pure denial...I was at a gathering last night, and the topic was brought up about the churches position of supporting gay marriage...

Immediately the TBM defenders instinctively jumped into action....saying...but...but... the church believes in the marriage of one man to one woman. (Completely ignoring that the perverse section 132 is still on the books)

They don't even understand what the church has done, but defend their actions anyway. They read the ridiculous church press release...completely ignore reality...and go back to all is well in Zion.

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Church Handbook of Instructions 1998 until the 2010 revision:

Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God to fulfill the eternal destiny of His children. The union of husband and wife assures perpetuation of the race and provides a divinely ordained setting for the nurturing and teaching of children. This sacred family setting, with father and mother and children firmly committed to each other and to righteous living, offers the best hope for avoiding many of the ills that afflict society.

We encourage members to appeal to legislators, judges, and other government officials to preserve the purposes and sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman, and to reject all efforts to give legal authorization or other official approval or support to marriages between persons of the same gender.

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Subcomandante wrote: November 18th, 2022, 8:53 am The Church hasn't compromised a single thing. They recognize that they live in a country where same sex marriage is the law of the land.
I don't think your statement aged well.

Church Handbook of Instructions 1998 until the 2010 revision:

Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God to fulfill the eternal destiny of His children. The union of husband and wife assures perpetuation of the race and provides a divinely ordained setting for the nurturing and teaching of children. This sacred family setting, with father and mother and children firmly committed to each other and to righteous living, offers the best hope for avoiding many of the ills that afflict society.

We encourage members to appeal to legislators, judges, and other government officials to preserve the purposes and sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman, and to reject all efforts to give legal authorization or other official approval or support to marriages between persons of the same gender.

Guess who is violating these Church Standards!

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Kit-OTW wrote: November 19th, 2022, 9:17 am
Subcomandante wrote: November 18th, 2022, 8:53 am The Church hasn't compromised a single thing. They recognize that they live in a country where same sex marriage is the law of the land.
I don't think your statement aged well.

Church Handbook of Instructions 1998 until the 2010 revision:

Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God to fulfill the eternal destiny of His children. The union of husband and wife assures perpetuation of the race and provides a divinely ordained setting for the nurturing and teaching of children. This sacred family setting, with father and mother and children firmly committed to each other and to righteous living, offers the best hope for avoiding many of the ills that afflict society.

We encourage members to appeal to legislators, judges, and other government officials to preserve the purposes and sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman, and to reject all efforts to give legal authorization or other official approval or support to marriages between persons of the same gender.

Guess who is violating these Church Standards!
Yes...they have violated their OWN handbook...shall we petition to disfellowship Q15??

Complete clown-car show.

Good thing God doesn't move the goalposts around constantly. Can you imagine...it's really 13 commandments...nope, it's only 7....everyone lies now, we better get rid of that one...

Do they even realize how ridiculous they look?

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nightlight wrote: November 17th, 2022, 8:58 am
Thinker wrote: November 17th, 2022, 8:17 amExactly.
And on here where herd mentality is not immune, the notion is actually popular.
Suggesting marriage should not involve government is suggesting we should have no government period. And such arguments give little thought to the real reason of “legal” marriage: children.

'If men were angels, no government would be necessary.'
-James Madison
Herd mentality?
It's actually the opposite, with all those in favor for government regulations on ALL things as the 🐏🐏🐏🐏

And I don't need to be married to have a child. A gay couple doesn't either

So.....what good is the mighty "government acknowledgement"?

Its nonsense. It's empty words on worthless paper

Return to sender
As a man have you ever conceived and gave birth to a baby completely on your own?
ALL of society (babies) are produced through the sperm of a man & egg from a woman. It’s nonsense to suggest otherwise.

There are healthy, logical herd mentalities & there are dysfunctional, illogical herd mentalities.

Healthy herd mentalities:
Brushing & Flossing idea
Other hygienic ideas
Wearing clothes when it’s cold ( :lol: & hot but less)
Having animals live in your house
Celebrating holidays, birthdays etc
Dancing
Belief that though government is inevitably imperfect & not ideal, it’s needed

Dysfunctional herd mentalities:
Pretending government is not needed - including marriage, as if children/future-society will all be born under religious marriage - on top of that huge order, pretending that religions will ensure ALL children are cared for, if both parents bail.
Pretending homosexuality is the natural order of things
Pretending human sacrifice scapegoating is godly
Pretending killing a baby in utero is ok
Pretending killing just because someone told you to is ok & should be celebrated
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layer8prob@gmail.com wrote: November 18th, 2022, 7:51 pm
ithink wrote: November 18th, 2022, 7:28 am
Christianlee wrote: November 18th, 2022, 7:12 am Does the fact nobody in the Q15 questions any of this publicly show they are all paid off almost like blackmail?
Are they paid off? It's about money for sure.

But their thinking is just stinking to me.
In 2015, for instance, when a Kentucky county clerk, citing her Christian faith, refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, Latter-day Saint apostle Dallin H. Oaks, a former Utah Supreme Court justice, spoke out against her decision. Public officials, he said at the time, “are not free to apply personal convictions — religious or other — in place of the defined responsibilities of their public offices.”


That's the dark side talking.
That's funny because injecting your personal beliefs into your job is basically a requirement for Leftists/Democrats. That's what they affectionately call "activism". But when that tactic is applied by rightwing conservatives it's then referred to as "extremism".
That would be a problem, but that's not what I'm referring to. If you're being asked, commanded, contracted, or covenanted to do ANYTHING that goes against your moral compass, whoever asked, commanded, contracted or covenanted you to do this new task (it's always new), must politely acknowledge your recusal, and find someone else to do the [dirty] work.

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ithink wrote: November 19th, 2022, 10:01 am... If you're being asked, commanded, contracted, or covenanted to do ANYTHING that goes against your moral compass, whoever asked, commanded, contracted or covenanted you to do this new task (it's always new), must politely acknowledge your recusal, and find someone else to do the [dirty] work.
"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right.” - H. L. Mencken

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Kit-OTW wrote: November 19th, 2022, 9:14 am Church Handbook of Instructions 1998 until the 2010 revision:

Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God to fulfill the eternal destiny of His children. The union of husband and wife assures perpetuation of the race and provides a divinely ordained setting for the nurturing and teaching of children. This sacred family setting, with father and mother and children firmly committed to each other and to righteous living, offers the best hope for avoiding many of the ills that afflict society.

We encourage members to appeal to legislators, judges, and other government officials to preserve the purposes and sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman, and to reject all efforts to give legal authorization or other official approval or support to marriages between persons of the same gender.
Being able to claim continuing revelation has its drawbacks.

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Thinker wrote: November 19th, 2022, 10:04 am
ithink wrote: November 19th, 2022, 10:01 am... If you're being asked, commanded, contracted, or covenanted to do ANYTHING that goes against your moral compass, whoever asked, commanded, contracted or covenanted you to do this new task (it's always new), must politely acknowledge your recusal, and find someone else to do the [dirty] work.
"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right.” - H. L. Mencken
OMG that's the whole thing right there isn't it? Nice catch. ❤👀😊👍

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Thinker wrote: November 19th, 2022, 10:04 am "Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right.” - H. L. Mencken
I love that, it's so true.

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Thinker wrote: November 19th, 2022, 10:04 am
ithink wrote: November 19th, 2022, 10:01 am... If you're being asked, commanded, contracted, or covenanted to do ANYTHING that goes against your moral compass, whoever asked, commanded, contracted or covenanted you to do this new task (it's always new), must politely acknowledge your recusal, and find someone else to do the [dirty] work.
"Morality is doing what is right, no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, no matter what is right.” - H. L. Mencken
Love love love this. ❤️

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Thinker wrote: November 19th, 2022, 9:52 am
nightlight wrote: November 17th, 2022, 8:58 am
Thinker wrote: November 17th, 2022, 8:17 amExactly.
And on here where herd mentality is not immune, the notion is actually popular.
Suggesting marriage should not involve government is suggesting we should have no government period. And such arguments give little thought to the real reason of “legal” marriage: children.

'If men were angels, no government would be necessary.'
-James Madison
Herd mentality?
It's actually the opposite, with all those in favor for government regulations on ALL things as the 🐏🐏🐏🐏

And I don't need to be married to have a child. A gay couple doesn't either

So.....what good is the mighty "government acknowledgement"?

Its nonsense. It's empty words on worthless paper

Return to sender
As a man have you ever conceived and gave birth to a baby completely on your own?
ALL of society (babies) are produced through the sperm of a man & egg from a woman. It’s nonsense to suggest otherwise.

There are healthy, logical herd mentalities & there are dysfunctional, illogical herd mentalities.

Healthy herd mentalities:
Brushing & Flossing idea
Other hygienic ideas
Wearing clothes when it’s cold ( :lol: & hot but less)
Having animals live in your house
Celebrating holidays, birthdays etc
Dancing
Belief that though government is inevitably imperfect & not ideal, it’s needed

Dysfunctional herd mentalities:
Pretending government is not needed - including marriage, as if children/future-society will all be born under religious marriage - on top of that huge order, pretending that religions will ensure ALL children are cared for, if both parents bail.
Pretending homosexuality is the natural order of things
Pretending human sacrifice scapegoating is godly
Pretending killing a baby in utero is ok
Pretending killing just because someone told you to is ok & should be celebrated
Lol

A gay couple can END UP with a baby without being married..... I didn't think I needed to spell that out.

But thanks for the biology lesson lol

And you simply don't understand Christianity. You can try to lump it in with abortion, but you're just counting to show your lack of understanding the world as it is

And I never said we didn't need a government... I said the government shouldn't be involved in marriage. It changes nothing

This is more evidence that you don't even understand what you worship...that you are in fact dogmatic

Those who are part of the new age religion...they worship themselves. And because they live in a world with billions of people, they are bound to cross paths with those who are more than, better than... So they will lean to that mans understanding, hence folks thinking a government should have a hand in marriage.
They make flesh their arm

It's how a subject sees the world

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nightlight wrote: November 19th, 2022, 10:55 am
Thinker wrote: November 19th, 2022, 9:52 am
nightlight wrote: November 17th, 2022, 8:58 am
Thinker wrote: November 17th, 2022, 8:17 amExactly.
And on here where herd mentality is not immune, the notion is actually popular.
Suggesting marriage should not involve government is suggesting we should have no government period. And such arguments give little thought to the real reason of “legal” marriage: children.

'If men were angels, no government would be necessary.'
-James Madison
Herd mentality?
It's actually the opposite, with all those in favor for government regulations on ALL things as the 🐏🐏🐏🐏

And I don't need to be married to have a child. A gay couple doesn't either

So.....what good is the mighty "government acknowledgement"?

Its nonsense. It's empty words on worthless paper

Return to sender
As a man have you ever conceived and gave birth to a baby completely on your own?
ALL of society (babies) are produced through the sperm of a man & egg from a woman. It’s nonsense to suggest otherwise.

There are healthy, logical herd mentalities & there are dysfunctional, illogical herd mentalities.

Healthy herd mentalities:
Brushing & Flossing idea
Other hygienic ideas
Wearing clothes when it’s cold ( :lol: & hot but less)
Having animals live in your house
Celebrating holidays, birthdays etc
Dancing
Belief that though government is inevitably imperfect & not ideal, it’s needed

Dysfunctional herd mentalities:
Pretending government is not needed - including marriage, as if children/future-society will all be born under religious marriage - on top of that huge order, pretending that religions will ensure ALL children are cared for, if both parents bail.
Pretending homosexuality is the natural order of things
Pretending human sacrifice scapegoating is godly
Pretending killing a baby in utero is ok
Pretending killing just because someone told you to is ok & should be celebrated
Lol

A gay couple can END UP with a baby without being married..... I didn't think I needed to spell that out.

But thanks for the biology lesson lol

And you simply don't understand Christianity. You can try to lump it in with abortion, but you're just counting to show your lack of understanding the world as it is

And I never said we didn't need a government... I said the government shouldn't be involved in marriage. It changes nothing

This is more evidence that you don't even understand what you worship...that you are in fact dogmatic

Those who are part of the new age religion...they worship themselves. And because they live in a world with billions of people, they are bound to cross paths with those who are more than, better than... So they will lean to that mans understanding, hence folks thinking a government should have a hand in marriage.
They make flesh their arm

It's how a subject sees the world
Does society have an interest in preventing the abuse of children?

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Instead of dredging up one of the old LGBTQ threads, I will just leave this tidbit here.

The Washington DC Gay Men’s Choir will be singing again at the Temple Visitor’s Center of the Washington DC Temple. Because we all love a good wholesome choir. Because there are so few musical groups in the area to fill the calendar. Because we need to virtue signal.

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I checked out my few sources where I find the pulse of what pro-lgbtq progmos think about an issue. Guess what? They mostly detest what the church statement said about the Respect for Marriage Act.
So the liberals hate it (because the church supports a religious exemption)
And the conservatives hate it (because the church says they want to preserve lgbtq “rights”)
And only the brainless lemmings think it’s a wonderful thing.

The church is annoying people right and left! Yes, pun intended.

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Lizzy60 wrote: November 19th, 2022, 11:41 am Instead of dredging up one of the old LGBTQ threads, I will just leave this tidbit here.

The Washington DC Gay Men’s Choir will be singing again at the Temple Visitor’s Center of the Washington DC Temple. Because we all love a good wholesome choir. Because there are so few musical groups in the area to fill the calendar. Because we need to virtue signal.
What’s sad is supporting a gay men’s choir can be equated to “virtue signaling” in 2022. Next we’ll have trans people reading the Book of Mormon to potential converts on Temple Square.

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Lizzy60 wrote: November 19th, 2022, 11:41 am Instead of dredging up one of the old LGBTQ threads, I will just leave this tidbit here.

The Washington DC Gay Men’s Choir will be singing again at the Temple Visitor’s Center of the Washington DC Temple. Because we all love a good wholesome choir. Because there are so few musical groups in the area to fill the calendar. Because we need to virtue signal.
Here is the link.

Dec 6 you can get your queer on at the DC Temple!

https://dctemple.org/event/gay-mens-chorus/

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Christianlee wrote: November 19th, 2022, 11:48 am
Lizzy60 wrote: November 19th, 2022, 11:41 am Instead of dredging up one of the old LGBTQ threads, I will just leave this tidbit here.

The Washington DC Gay Men’s Choir will be singing again at the Temple Visitor’s Center of the Washington DC Temple. Because we all love a good wholesome choir. Because there are so few musical groups in the area to fill the calendar. Because we need to virtue signal.
What’s sad is supporting a gay men’s choir can be equated to “virtue signaling” in 2022. Next we’ll have trans people reading the Book of Mormon to potential converts on Temple Square.
No, you bigot!

It's called Drag Queen Story Hour and for this reading we will be reading how Nephi was actually Shephi.

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spiritMan wrote: November 19th, 2022, 11:36 am
nightlight wrote: November 19th, 2022, 10:55 am
Thinker wrote: November 19th, 2022, 9:52 am
nightlight wrote: November 17th, 2022, 8:58 am Herd mentality?
It's actually the opposite, with all those in favor for government regulations on ALL things as the 🐏🐏🐏🐏

And I don't need to be married to have a child. A gay couple doesn't either

So.....what good is the mighty "government acknowledgement"?

Its nonsense. It's empty words on worthless paper

Return to sender
As a man have you ever conceived and gave birth to a baby completely on your own?
ALL of society (babies) are produced through the sperm of a man & egg from a woman. It’s nonsense to suggest otherwise.

There are healthy, logical herd mentalities & there are dysfunctional, illogical herd mentalities.

Healthy herd mentalities:
Brushing & Flossing idea
Other hygienic ideas
Wearing clothes when it’s cold ( :lol: & hot but less)
Having animals live in your house
Celebrating holidays, birthdays etc
Dancing
Belief that though government is inevitably imperfect & not ideal, it’s needed

Dysfunctional herd mentalities:
Pretending government is not needed - including marriage, as if children/future-society will all be born under religious marriage - on top of that huge order, pretending that religions will ensure ALL children are cared for, if both parents bail.
Pretending homosexuality is the natural order of things
Pretending human sacrifice scapegoating is godly
Pretending killing a baby in utero is ok
Pretending killing just because someone told you to is ok & should be celebrated
Lol

A gay couple can END UP with a baby without being married..... I didn't think I needed to spell that out.

But thanks for the biology lesson lol

And you simply don't understand Christianity. You can try to lump it in with abortion, but you're just counting to show your lack of understanding the world as it is

And I never said we didn't need a government... I said the government shouldn't be involved in marriage. It changes nothing

This is more evidence that you don't even understand what you worship...that you are in fact dogmatic

Those who are part of the new age religion...they worship themselves. And because they live in a world with billions of people, they are bound to cross paths with those who are more than, better than... So they will lean to that mans understanding, hence folks thinking a government should have a hand in marriage.
They make flesh their arm

It's how a subject sees the world
Does society have an interest in preventing the abuse of children?
Obviously. Physical harm to children should be met with a jail cell or bullet... depending on severity

But spiritual abuse is cloudy subject

I could teach my son that there is no sin. That Satan is the true God. That man lives by his own genius. That Jesus is liar. That same sex relations are fine if you think they are fine. That casual sex with multiple partners is the way we are wired Etc
This obviously harms a person spirituality, which will manifest in the mental and physical..... But you cannot make a laws against this.

I mean you could... but you wouldn't be a free society

Our main prerogative is not safety though.

Having freedom in a fallen world is dangerous

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