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To outline one perspective: noone can clearly observe the facts of this time period using primarily the "Utah" LDS church's sources because the chain of custody of evidence and various testimonies have all been filtered down and brought to us through a generation of those members and leaders who embraced that lifestyle.
Because the Utah church wanted to be recognized by the world and in various court cases as the true successor branch of the many that appeared after Joseph's death, it had good reason to seek to have polygamy considered legitimate doctrine taught by Joseph. Other testimonies tying him to it tend to be from enemies of Joseph. He was consistently against it his whole life (we call him a liar if we challenge this point). There was a lot of pressure put on Joseph III and others in his family to persuade them he was involved, but all recall that they never witnessed any involvement or knew of him ever advocating for it.
Bushman's work suggests that Joseph may have toyed with the concept of dynastic sealings - families sealed (non-maritally) to each other in a branching chain to get all families eventually linked together. Very different than the practice that was played out of amassing numerous women to one man, King Benjamin style.

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ithink wrote: November 8th, 2022, 9:29 am
But from someone who has paid an unsolicited visit to the next world(s), I'd humbly suggest you rethink your position.
Are you willing to elaborate on this? I totally understand if you'd prefer not to.

Edit: Nevermind, I see you already linked to more information on this in another post in this thread.

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Given that most of the no longer human pop has tqken mrna borg shots, there may be a problem with reproduction.

How many men have uncontaminated seed? Polygamy was to protect the widows and to reproduce the christ dna in a shorter time period. Something brigham embraced but joseph smith kind of hedged on by marrying people but not treating them as wives.

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Ymarsakar wrote: April 7th, 2023, 8:54 am Given that most of the no longer human pop has tqken mrna borg shots, there may be a problem with reproduction.

How many men have uncontaminated seed? Polygamy was to protect the widows and to reproduce the christ dna in a shorter time period. Something brigham embraced but joseph smith kind of hedged on by marrying people but not treating them as wives.
Not completely true. Many of Joseph’s wives testified that they were his wives in a very physical sense.

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Ymarsakar wrote: April 7th, 2023, 8:54 am Given that most of the no longer human pop has tqken mrna borg shots, there may be a problem with reproduction.

How many men have uncontaminated seed? Polygamy was to protect the widows and to reproduce the christ dna in a shorter time period. Something brigham embraced but joseph smith kind of hedged on by marrying people but not treating them as wives.
Interesting.

An initial thought.

Could this be why 7 women would want to cling to one man? Unvaxed women wanting an untainted child may have to mate with an unvaxed male. She would be happy to take care of herself. She would just need his seed.

I'll have to think about this more.

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Luke wrote: April 7th, 2023, 2:16 pm
Ymarsakar wrote: April 7th, 2023, 8:54 am Given that most of the no longer human pop has tqken mrna borg shots, there may be a problem with reproduction.

How many men have uncontaminated seed? Polygamy was to protect the widows and to reproduce the christ dna in a shorter time period. Something brigham embraced but joseph smith kind of hedged on by marrying people but not treating them as wives.
Not completely true. Many of Joseph’s wives testified that they were his wives in a very physical sense.
This is where we run into problems. Society back then did not give women equal power. Pioneer societies were more equal but it was easy to coerce testimony.

The real testimony would be his dna children. We have the technokogy to trace u back to brigham. Where are rhe children of his other wives?

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HereWeGo wrote: April 7th, 2023, 2:17 pm
Ymarsakar wrote: April 7th, 2023, 8:54 am Given that most of the no longer human pop has tqken mrna borg shots, there may be a problem with reproduction.

How many men have uncontaminated seed? Polygamy was to protect the widows and to reproduce the christ dna in a shorter time period. Something brigham embraced but joseph smith kind of hedged on by marrying people but not treating them as wives.
Interesting.

An initial thought.

Could this be why 7 women would want to cling to one man? Unvaxed women wanting an untainted child may have to mate with an unvaxed male. She would be happy to take care of herself. She would just need his seed.

I'll have to think about this more.
In our day and age, they can simply agree to artificial insemination. But then who has parentinf rights later if child wants to know?

This becomes very complicated and it would not be something 1830s americans would be able to accept.

Personally i think a culture clash resulted. The message they tried to give joseph was to teach people to love their neighbors. Our kind of free form romantic relationship or dating, was not accepted back then.

If a woman had a child but no patriarch, societt abandoned them to the streets as harlots or starvation. It was very uncharitable. While brigham young was not perfectz he was competent enough to preserve the dna line of the saints.

Why is that important? Preciselt because satan wishes to change ur dna from divine to something they can control aka ai beast system. Mrna shots change dna. This is just the beginning.

We may have societies where there are 7 valid men but only 2 women. What do we do then?

Or 4 men, many older, and 7 women with some older and younger. Amish life is great but amish did not mess up their dna and reproduction with shots.

The prophets and seers saw in the last days that men s hearts would fail them. They interpreted that as fear. It was not fear it was the mrna shots exploding rhe hearts of athletes.

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ithink wrote: November 8th, 2022, 9:29 am
Luke wrote: November 8th, 2022, 7:21 am
ithink wrote: November 8th, 2022, 6:55 am

No need for debate. Joseph tells us himself. "I have been deceived".

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Following that came the order to "burn it".

It?

Following that came the order to "discard and destroy" it.

It?

Following that, well, it doesn't get any better, it only gets worse.

It? It?

Shhhhhhh!......it! They don't want people talking about it.
According to William Marks, he said that. But I don’t believe he did.
Your call.

But from someone who has paid an unsolicited visit to the next world(s), I'd humbly suggest you rethink your position.
sometimes visits to other world(s) are not exactly as we perceive or understand . The filter of the mind does come into play. Personal bias is inescapable.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYRY3ehBHz0

Teal Swan did an interesting analysis of many-love relationships.

I wonder if Joseph Smith was trying to "translate" something like this, but the only way somebody in the 1830s could translate it was as polygamy, with the male as the head. Given his bible studies.

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FrankOne wrote: April 7th, 2023, 4:19 pm
ithink wrote: November 8th, 2022, 9:29 am
Luke wrote: November 8th, 2022, 7:21 am

According to William Marks, he said that. But I don’t believe he did.
Your call.

But from someone who has paid an unsolicited visit to the next world(s), I'd humbly suggest you rethink your position.
sometimes visits to other world(s) are not exactly as we perceive or understand . The filter of the mind does come into play. Personal bias is inescapable.
Is that why Joseph's "First Vision" is actually his tenth version, nothing like the original?

We have more evidence Marks said that than we do Joseph isn't lying.

As one who has seen something and actually recounted it honestly, something old Joe cannot claim, I maintain that the entire LDS leadership need to rethink their positions.

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OCDMOM wrote: August 1st, 2022, 10:25 am Most Women are uncomfortable with Polygamy now days. I heard our Stake President talking about a lot of Women leaving the church based on that past issue. My friend said that Joseph Smith married a 14 year old. He told her she wouldn't make it too the Celestial kingdom if she didn't. She also said that Emma didn't know about it and caught him cheating on her in the barn. It is on the Church website about him marrying a 14 year old. I love the Book of Mormon and that keeps me from doubting Joseph Smith. What can I say to her or what can I read about this.
I would never believe that!! Brigham Young changed so much church history to suite his evil agenda. BY got into spiritual wifery when he spent time with the Cochranites in Maine NY. BY first started his fascination with spiritual wifery when he was sent on a mission to NY. Him and other apostles met up with the Cochranites and started to get involved with their practices. BY also sealed many women to both JS and HS long after they had both been killed. BY was mentally ill and possessed with spirits of lust, control, manipulation, anger and deceit. A more well known delusion of Grandeur from BY was his well documented and implemented delusional "Adam God Theory." BY clearly had mental illness and was sick with power issues.

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Baurak Ale wrote: August 3rd, 2022, 7:37 am
Shawn Henry wrote: August 2nd, 2022, 4:23 pm Have you all noticed there don't ever seem to be any women defending polygamy here on our threads? Very telling indeed.
My wife is a defender of it, but she doesn’t spend time online because she hates anything related to the internet. Same with other women I know with whom I’ve discussed polygamy and who wholly support it. They exist but have found the Lord has called them out of the virtual world so that they may live more fully in the real world.

I think they’re making the better choice. In the real world, polygamy has a practical value and isn’t a chew toy for theoretical debate. Its really only on this forum that I’m reminded that there are people who call themselves Mormons who consider polygamy a mistake.
I only know of two women in 27 years in the church that were ok with polygamy and their husbands were out right mongrel and not in the joking sense. In my investigations also a large number of women who become Lesbians have also had a bad experience or experiences with men / fathers etc. So what I have pondered and I can fathom is that many women are not happy or are not treated well by their husband / male partners and as a result would much rather female company and or relationships. I think that if the majority of these women were with a really good man that they truly loved, they would not even consider Polygamy

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Luke wrote: August 4th, 2022, 2:26 am
Jules wrote: August 4th, 2022, 12:24 am
OCDMOM wrote: August 1st, 2022, 10:25 am Most Women are uncomfortable with Polygamy now days. I heard our Stake President talking about a lot of Women leaving the church based on that past issue. My friend said that Joseph Smith married a 14 year old. He told her she wouldn't make it too the Celestial kingdom if she didn't. She also said that Emma didn't know about it and caught him cheating on her in the barn. It is on the Church website about him marrying a 14 year old. I love the Book of Mormon and that keeps me from doubting Joseph Smith. What can I say to her or what can I read about this.
14 year old child.

Church admits pedophilia.

The end.
By all accounts Mary, the Mother of Jesus, was about 13 or 14 when she gave birth to Christ.

What do we do with this information?


One of two things here Brigham Young lied and made the whole story up about JS or 2/ BY married the fourteen year old because he was possessed with a spirit of lust, power, delusion and deceit. BY hated JS and was so envious of him.

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Luke wrote: August 4th, 2022, 3:48 pm
NeveR wrote: August 4th, 2022, 12:09 pm
Luke wrote: August 1st, 2022, 10:29 am Voices in Harmony is a good book. Testimonies from plural wives about the Principle.
Stockholm syndrome. Take away a woman's dignity and sense of worth, make her and her kids totally reliant economically on this man who has other wives...

then ask her for her 'real' opinion on polygamy.

If she hates it and says so she will lose standing in her 'community' of wives. Her husband won't like her as much. She will get bitchiness from her 'sisters'.

99% of women in that situation will say they love their servitude.
Have you ever read the book?

You know nothing about polygamy.

You don’t. You really don’t.
It's very obvious that you really love and support polygamy, why?

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innocentoldguy wrote: November 5th, 2022, 1:45 am
nvr wrote: August 1st, 2022, 10:37 am Understand that the history we have on the subject was filtered through the Utah church, which practiced it. And they had obvious reasons to create the picture that Joseph taught and practiced it.
Book of Mormon is clear on the subject, as is Book of Commandments up until and shortly after Joseph's death. It doesn't mean the church fell away, In my opinion, we hit a detour - the Lord in his mercy has still worked with us even after we took up incorrect ideas and eventually ended them.
Joseph did practice it. So did Hyrum. Their mom wrote about and defended the practice as well.
Can you show where his mother wrote about it (sources of evidence) because her husband wasn't a polygamist??

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Enoch wrote: November 5th, 2022, 4:27 pm
Shawn Henry wrote: November 5th, 2022, 2:57 pm
edify wrote: November 5th, 2022, 12:49 pm I think these relationships could/might work if:

1. Adults Chose it for themselves - no manipulative tactics, no ones agency curtailed

2. Those involved cared about each other

3. There was a balance so all husbands/wives/children's emotional, physical, social, mental etc needs were met

4. Limit in number of participants

5. Pre-established game plan, agreement on how things would work

Benefits would be that the joys/happiness found in marriage and children would be multiplied - even though there would be more challenges - just like in successful marriages the joys/happiness would outweigh them -
So, basically everything that was absent the first time.
Yep, and no
1. Angel threatened me so it has to be done.

2. Well the prophet commanded it.

3. Our salvation/exhaltation depends on it.

4. The second wife opens the door to eternity.

5. The spirit testifies to only one individual and they want to impose that.

6. If you don't do this we can't be together in eternity.

7. We're both lost if we don't do this.

8. etc...
That sounds exactly like Brigham Young and his commanding and threatening nature! Things haven't changed much though: If you don't sustain the Q15, you can't go to the temple, you lose your standing with God, you lose your family, your exaltation, your inheritance and you'll go to hell (the telestial kingdom) basically your life won't be worth living and you'll lose your soul, yes shades of old Brig! Good to see that they're still carrying on his legacy today!!

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Aussie wrote: February 13th, 2024, 12:36 am
Enoch wrote: November 5th, 2022, 4:27 pm
Shawn Henry wrote: November 5th, 2022, 2:57 pm
So, basically everything that was absent the first time.
Yep, and no
1. Angel threatened me so it has to be done.

2. Well the prophet commanded it.

3. Our salvation/exhaltation depends on it.

4. The second wife opens the door to eternity.

5. The spirit testifies to only one individual and they want to impose that.

6. If you don't do this we can't be together in eternity.

7. We're both lost if we don't do this.

8. etc...
That sounds exactly like Brigham Young and his commanding and threatening nature! Things haven't changed much though: If you don't sustain the Q15, you can't go to the temple, you lose your standing with God, you lose your family, your exaltation, your inheritance and you'll go to hell (the telestial kingdom) basically your life won't be worth living and you'll lose your soul, yes shades of old Brig! Good to see that they're still carrying on his legacy today like they did back then!!

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Shawn Henry wrote: November 5th, 2022, 3:20 pm
Pazooka wrote: November 5th, 2022, 7:53 am
Shawn Henry wrote: August 2nd, 2022, 4:23 pm Have you all noticed there don't ever seem to be any women defending polygamy here on our threads? Very telling indeed.
Because some of us women feel that to argue our support of plural marriage only serves to solidify others in their entrenchment against it.
Your responses only solidified us against it, because they are sh!!ty responses, completely void of any caring for the teenagers who were forced into the practice. It's religious fanaticism when cowards don't stand in defense of children.

Every time the 5 girls BY married between the age of 15-17 don't get defended, they get raped all over again.

Polygamy could have had a small chance with consenting adults, but its history with children forever taints the practice.
I just want to ask this question? Do you think that the men / or the very very few women who absolutely love polygamy and just seem to be chomping at the bit for it, are either 1/ All on Viagra or 2/ really addicted to pornography (need the new and different women all the time)? I need to do a vote on this!

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FoxMammaWisdom wrote: August 4th, 2022, 12:22 pm
Luke wrote: August 4th, 2022, 12:01 pm
Jules wrote: August 4th, 2022, 11:54 am

Question it. We already know the stories have been butchered.
Assuming it's true, what do you do with that information?
I suppose that's for each of us to answer individually. Hopefully collectively we start doing something better than today.
But are we refusing to learn things because it's painful and muddy and reality altering, and just assuming it's right because it's talking about Jesus or his mother and it hurts to consider something else?
Imagine hypothetically, how different the world would be if that ONE TINY DETAIL was different and Mary was like say 23 for example. How would the world and ALLLLLL the webs and layers of beliefs and systems and such over the centuries, be utterly different today, if that ONE detail was different?
Goshcakes... they would NEVER sit around in a meeting like the Council at Nicea for eg, or go along with secret combination pacts, or remove books of scripture, or murder to hid information, destroy our real history, translate into multiple languages and different contexts, or change one tiny little detail like that in the Bible to create a tsunami of crapola years later, would they? Naaaahhhh,,,,,
So indeed... what do you do with that information? Do you consider it, and try to find truth - even if it takes the rest of your life going on that journey discovering what they did to this world and how long the deception has been going on - and how big it is? Or do you eat the canned beans you were fed in church and refuse to thoroughly investigate "The Bible" that we already know has been butchered?


Most of the problems stem from Brigham he was a lying, deceitful, mentally ill man. He was possessed with spirits of lust and control. He changed much of church history. He brought in spiritual wifery, he was a liar, cheat and a counterfeiter. He hated Emma Smith and was envious of JS.

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Aussie wrote: February 13th, 2024, 1:30 am
Shawn Henry wrote: November 5th, 2022, 3:20 pm
Pazooka wrote: November 5th, 2022, 7:53 am

Because some of us women feel that to argue our support of plural marriage only serves to solidify others in their entrenchment against it.
Your responses only solidified us against it, because they are sh!!ty responses, completely void of any caring for the teenagers who were forced into the practice. It's religious fanaticism when cowards don't stand in defense of children.

Every time the 5 girls BY married between the age of 15-17 don't get defended, they get raped all over again.

Polygamy could have had a small chance with consenting adults, but its history with children forever taints the practice.
I just want to ask this question? Do you think that the men / or the very very few women who absolutely love polygamy and just seem to be chomping at the bit for it, are either 1/ All on Viagra or 2/ really addicted to pornography (need the new and different women all the time)? I need to do a vote on this!
Interesting question.
When I was a young married man I confess that the idea of plural marriage appealed to me because of the prospect of all the sex. However, with the exception of the menstrual cycle, I soon realised that men in plural marriage have about the same amount of sex as those in monogamy, but the women have less. So maybe lust isn't the motivation.
Then I thought that perhaps it's variety, maybe that would be the reason for men to desire plural marriage. But I find that even when I have variety in things such a food or clothing or cars etc, I still have a favourite and would tend to concentrate there and ignore the rest. I have a wardrobe full of shirts I never wear.
So then I thought that perhaps the appeal of polygamy is the theoretical prospect of not being denied if some stunning beauty came along. In other words, just knowing that it was a possibility, however remote. It might never happen, but it maybe could.
However, as the years have passed I now feel that the appeal (to me at least) of plural marriage would be to look after people. To bring people under my protection and provide for their needs. To do good, to be generous, to care for, love and provide for the people for whom I have accepted responsibility. To serve them.
Maybe it's an age thing.

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Robin Hood wrote: February 13th, 2024, 2:23 am
Aussie wrote: February 13th, 2024, 1:30 am
Shawn Henry wrote: November 5th, 2022, 3:20 pm
Your responses only solidified us against it, because they are sh!!ty responses, completely void of any caring for the teenagers who were forced into the practice. It's religious fanaticism when cowards don't stand in defense of children.

Every time the 5 girls BY married between the age of 15-17 don't get defended, they get raped all over again.

Polygamy could have had a small chance with consenting adults, but its history with children forever taints the practice.
I just want to ask this question? Do you think that the men / or the very very few women who absolutely love polygamy and just seem to be chomping at the bit for it, are either 1/ All on Viagra or 2/ really addicted to pornography (need the new and different women all the time)? I need to do a vote on this!
Interesting question.
When I was a young married man I confess that the idea of plural marriage appealed to me because of the prospect of all the sex. However, with the exception of the menstrual cycle, I soon realised that men in plural marriage have about the same amount of sex as those in monogamy, but the women have less. So maybe lust isn't the motivation.
Then I thought that perhaps it's variety, maybe that would be the reason for men to desire plural marriage. But I find that even when I have variety in things such a food or clothing or cars etc, I still have a favourite and would tend to concentrate there and ignore the rest. I have a wardrobe full of shirts I never wear.
So then I thought that perhaps the appeal of polygamy is the theoretical prospect of not being denied if some stunning beauty came along. In other words, just knowing that it was a possibility, however remote. It might never happen, but it maybe could.
However, as the years have passed I now feel that the appeal (to me at least) of plural marriage would be to look after people. To bring people under my protection and provide for their needs. To do good, to be generous, to care for, love and provide for the people for whom I have accepted responsibility. To serve them.
Maybe it's an age thing.
So… we are relegating sex to clothing and food. No wonder we are confused these days.

BTW, I’m pretty sure a dude in a poly relationship is having more sex than the typical monogamous relationship. And sure, there’s always the exception… but come on, who’s kidding yourself. Men have a far high sex drive than women overall.

Jacob 2 seems pretty clear as to the only time polygamy is ever implemented. When the Lord commands it. You can serve, love, and care for people without marrying them. Shocking, I know.

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 13th, 2024, 7:00 am
Robin Hood wrote: February 13th, 2024, 2:23 am
Aussie wrote: February 13th, 2024, 1:30 am

I just want to ask this question? Do you think that the men / or the very very few women who absolutely love polygamy and just seem to be chomping at the bit for it, are either 1/ All on Viagra or 2/ really addicted to pornography (need the new and different women all the time)? I need to do a vote on this!
Interesting question.
When I was a young married man I confess that the idea of plural marriage appealed to me because of the prospect of all the sex. However, with the exception of the menstrual cycle, I soon realised that men in plural marriage have about the same amount of sex as those in monogamy, but the women have less. So maybe lust isn't the motivation.
Then I thought that perhaps it's variety, maybe that would be the reason for men to desire plural marriage. But I find that even when I have variety in things such a food or clothing or cars etc, I still have a favourite and would tend to concentrate there and ignore the rest. I have a wardrobe full of shirts I never wear.
So then I thought that perhaps the appeal of polygamy is the theoretical prospect of not being denied if some stunning beauty came along. In other words, just knowing that it was a possibility, however remote. It might never happen, but it maybe could.
However, as the years have passed I now feel that the appeal (to me at least) of plural marriage would be to look after people. To bring people under my protection and provide for their needs. To do good, to be generous, to care for, love and provide for the people for whom I have accepted responsibility. To serve them.
Maybe it's an age thing.
So… we are relegating sex to clothing and food. No wonder we are confused these days.

BTW, I’m pretty sure a dude in a poly relationship is having more sex than the typical monogamous relationship. And sure, there’s always the exception… but come on, who’s kidding yourself. Men have a far high sex drive than women overall.

Jacob 2 seems pretty clear as to the only time polygamy is ever implemented. When the Lord commands it. You can serve, love, and care for people without marrying them. Shocking, I know.
Everyone is different I guess.
When we were newly married we had sex every day. Had I had six wives I would still have had sex every day.
I would have been having the same amount of sex, but each wife would only have had ⅙ of the sex of the monogamous wife.
So I don't think you're correct overall.

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Robin Hood wrote: February 13th, 2024, 7:11 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 13th, 2024, 7:00 am
Robin Hood wrote: February 13th, 2024, 2:23 am

Interesting question.
When I was a young married man I confess that the idea of plural marriage appealed to me because of the prospect of all the sex. However, with the exception of the menstrual cycle, I soon realised that men in plural marriage have about the same amount of sex as those in monogamy, but the women have less. So maybe lust isn't the motivation.
Then I thought that perhaps it's variety, maybe that would be the reason for men to desire plural marriage. But I find that even when I have variety in things such a food or clothing or cars etc, I still have a favourite and would tend to concentrate there and ignore the rest. I have a wardrobe full of shirts I never wear.
So then I thought that perhaps the appeal of polygamy is the theoretical prospect of not being denied if some stunning beauty came along. In other words, just knowing that it was a possibility, however remote. It might never happen, but it maybe could.
However, as the years have passed I now feel that the appeal (to me at least) of plural marriage would be to look after people. To bring people under my protection and provide for their needs. To do good, to be generous, to care for, love and provide for the people for whom I have accepted responsibility. To serve them.
Maybe it's an age thing.
So… we are relegating sex to clothing and food. No wonder we are confused these days.

BTW, I’m pretty sure a dude in a poly relationship is having more sex than the typical monogamous relationship. And sure, there’s always the exception… but come on, who’s kidding yourself. Men have a far high sex drive than women overall.

Jacob 2 seems pretty clear as to the only time polygamy is ever implemented. When the Lord commands it. You can serve, love, and care for people without marrying them. Shocking, I know.
Everyone is different I guess.
When we were newly married we had sex every day. Had I had six wives I would still have had sex every day.
I would have been having the same amount of sex, but each wife would only have had ⅙ of the sex of the monogamous wife.
So I don't think you're correct overall.
Comparing a newly wed couple and their sex drive with typical man/woman long-term relationship isn’t a good comparison. Of course a couple who probably hasn’t had sex their entire lives will have a high sex drive. The question should be, “Do men have a higher sex drive than women?” I believe the answer is a resounding “Yes!”

What were the ages of these men who took many wives in the early history of the church? Oh.. yeah… that explains a lot.

Oh, and lest we forget the mental… anguish (I was going to use another word…) that comes to a young newly-married girl when she realizes (sees/hears?) that her husband is having sex with several other women.

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Robin Hood wrote: February 13th, 2024, 2:23 am
Aussie wrote: February 13th, 2024, 1:30 am
Shawn Henry wrote: November 5th, 2022, 3:20 pm
Your responses only solidified us against it, because they are sh!!ty responses, completely void of any caring for the teenagers who were forced into the practice. It's religious fanaticism when cowards don't stand in defense of children.

Every time the 5 girls BY married between the age of 15-17 don't get defended, they get raped all over again.

Polygamy could have had a small chance with consenting adults, but its history with children forever taints the practice.
I just want to ask this question? Do you think that the men / or the very very few women who absolutely love polygamy and just seem to be chomping at the bit for it, are either 1/ All on Viagra or 2/ really addicted to pornography (need the new and different women all the time)? I need to do a vote on this!
Interesting question.
When I was a young married man I confess that the idea of plural marriage appealed to me because of the prospect of all the sex. However, with the exception of the menstrual cycle, I soon realised that men in plural marriage have about the same amount of sex as those in monogamy, but the women have less. So maybe lust isn't the motivation.
Then I thought that perhaps it's variety, maybe that would be the reason for men to desire plural marriage. But I find that even when I have variety in things such a food or clothing or cars etc, I still have a favourite and would tend to concentrate there and ignore the rest. I have a wardrobe full of shirts I never wear.
So then I thought that perhaps the appeal of polygamy is the theoretical prospect of not being denied if some stunning beauty came along. In other words, just knowing that it was a possibility, however remote. It might never happen, but it maybe could.
However, as the years have passed I now feel that the appeal (to me at least) of plural marriage would be to look after people. To bring people under my protection and provide for their needs. To do good, to be generous, to care for, love and provide for the people for whom I have accepted responsibility. To serve them.
Maybe it's an age thing.
Aren't we suppose to do that anyway? Why would wealthy men need to marry so many women when he and his wife could help them and help look after them? You know 'And there was no poor among them and they were all liberal and free with their substance and they lived after the manner of happiness! (The law of consecration)

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: February 13th, 2024, 7:00 am


Jacob 2 seems pretty clear as to the only time polygamy is ever implemented. When the Lord commands it. You can serve, love, and care for people without marrying them. Shocking, I know.
Now there’s the problem. The Lord never commands it. Jacob 2 has been wrested for years, for the destruction of all those who want a loop hole in the commandments. God has never commanded polygamy. Either God is the same yesterday, today and forever or he’s not. There are no exceptions with God.

To get a clear picture a person needs to include Jacob 3 along with Jacob 2. When Jacob talks about the Lord commanding, it’s in relation to being the King Of The Righteous, not that he’s going to give a command that it’s ok to have an adulterous relationship with someone. (I think we can thank bros BY and PPP for this mess).

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