“The apostasy… hath so far corrupted all, that there can be no recovery out of that apostasy until Christ shall send...

[kirtland r.m.]

Thomas Jefferson was waiting for the restoration, along with a lot of other people. He believed it would come, "but too late for me to witness it.”~Thomas Jefferson November 4, 1820 (He died in 1826, 4 years before the Church was restored).http://www.ldssmile.com/2017/01/16/thre ... storation/
Another Founding Father. Roger Williams the Father of our First Amendment, he is also credited with founding the First Baptist Church in America. But Roger Williams soon left the Baptist Church, he then taught “The apostasy… hath so far corrupted all, that there can be no recovery out of that apostasy until Christ shall send forth new apostles the following. to plant churches anew.” Roger Williams, same source as above

[kirtland r.m.]

More on that gospel restoration. After retiring as President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson shared (in a letter to Jared Sparks) his hopes for a restoration of New Testament Christianity: “I hold the precepts of Jesus, as delivered by Himself, to be the most pure, benevolent and sublime, which have ever been preached to man. I adhere to the principles of the first age, and consider all subsequent innovations as corruption of religion, having no foundation in what came from Him….If the freedom of religion guaranteed to us by the law in theory can ever rise in practice….truth will prevail over fanaticism, and the genuine doctrines of Jesus, so long perverted by pseudo-priests, will again be restored to their original purity….but too late for me to witness it” (in Andrew Allison, The Real Thomas Jefferson, 1983, 366).

Jefferson was certain there would be a restoration of the original teachings of Jesus. In 1822 he also wrote to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse that he was “happy in the prospect of a restoration of primitive Christianity” (The Real Thomas Jefferson, 1983, 366). Jefferson died in 1826, just as Joseph Smith’s ministry was beginning.

‘Some say the kingdom of God was not set up on the earth until the day of Pentecost, and that John [the Baptist] did not preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; but I say, in the name of the Lord, that the kingdom of God was set up on the earth from the days of Adam to the present time. Whenever there has been a righteous man on earth unto whom God revealed His word and gave power and authority to administer in His name, and where there is a priest of God—a minister who has power and authority from God to administer in the ordinances of the gospel and officiate in the priesthood of God—there is the kingdom of God… But where these are not, the kingdom of God is not. All the ordinances, systems, and administrations on the earth are of no use to the children of men, unless they are ordained and authorized of God’ [History of the Church, 5:256-259; Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, 82-84].

The Father and the Son revealed themselves to Joseph Smith “as personally as Jesus did to his apostles anciently…and made known unto him these heavenly truths by which alone mankind can be saved” (President Lorenzo Snow, Deseret News, 31 Jan. 1877, 834). Those truths, President David O. McKay testified, “are the surest, safest guide to mortal man” (Man May Know for Himself: Teachings of President David O. McKay, 1967, 383).

Isaiah foresaw that these restored truths, and the Church of Jesus Christ revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith, would metaphorically begin as a small tent (see 3 Nephi 22:2), but would continue to roll forward and thrive until one day it would become a magnificent palace—“established in righteousness” (see 3 Nephi 22:11-14). The Prophet Joseph laid the foundation and, by revelation, gave us the blueprint, but it’s up to us to follow living apostles and prophets to finish and polish up the work. As President John Taylor said: “We have got this kingdom to build up; and it is not a phantom, but a reality. We have to do it, God expects it at our hands” (Journal of Discourses, 21:8).

From the moment the First Vision occurred, the Prophet Joseph became “the personal representative of Jesus Christ.…His agent whom He chose, ordained and set apart to lay anew the foundations of the Church of God in the world, which is indeed the Church of Jesus Christ, possessing all the powers of the gospel, all the rites and privileges, the authority of the Holy Priesthood, and every principle necessary to fit and qualify both the living and the dead to inherit eternal life, and to attain to exaltation in the kingdom of God” (Joseph F. Smith, Gospel Doctrine, 1939, 134).

And, as Joseph himself testified just a few weeks before his martyrdom, he “was chosen [to be]… the last and greatest prophet to lay the foundation of God’s work of the seventh dispensation” (May 12, 1844, in The Words of Joseph Smith, Ehat and Cook, 1980, 370).

He didn’t choose himself. He was chosen by God. As President Gordon B. Hinckley observed, “He was the instrument in the hands of the Almighty. He was the servant acting under the direction of the Lord Jesus Christ in bringing to pass this great latter-day work. We stand in reverence before him. He is the great prophet of this dispensation. He stands at the head of this great and mighty work, which is spreading across the earth. He is our prophet, our revelator, our seer, our friend. Let us not forget him. Let not his memory be forgotten… God be thanked for the Prophet Joseph” (“A Season for Gratitude,” Ensign, Dec. 1997, 2).

“[Thus] the ‘Gospel’ is as old as the first man upon this earth. It has been here in dispensations. There has been the power to teach men the way to live, ever since the beginning of man upon this earth, else what Napoleon says would be true(he said the true gospel would have been on the earth from the beginning) in this case, as it is of every other church which has no claim upon such antiquity” (“The Glory of God is Intelligence,” Elder Harold B. Lee, CES Summer School at BYU, 1954)

[onefour1]

The information about Thomas Jefferson is very interesting. Thank you!

[TheChristian]

Thomas Jefferson rejected, among other things, the doctrines that Jesus was the promised Messiah and the incarnate Son of God, nor did he believe in our Saviours miracles or ressurection. Jefferson only believed that the Lord was a great moral teacher.
In a letter to William Short in 1820, Jefferson described many biblical passages as "so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture". In the same letter Jefferson states he describes Paul as the "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus".
Jefferson also denied the divine inspiration of the Book of Revelation, describing it to Alexander Smyth in 1825 as "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams".
In my view Jefferson held similiar views to spiritualists, mediums and islamists concerning his denials of the Saviours divinity, sacrifice and ressurection and the Bible .......

Roger Williams confessed there had always been a faithfull remnant of the New testament Ministery........Regards Apostles/Authority, he believed that the Gifts of the holy ghost, signs , wonders, miracles ought to be evidenced amongst the Christians, were they were not, there is no Apostleship, nor authority............
There is ample evidence of such New testament Graces amongst the Christians today, also in Roger Williams day.......Men were still exeriencing Dreams, Visions, signs, wonders and miracles......There is numerous accounts of such in the early settlements of America.

Regards a total Falling away, the New testament states that towards the end there would be a partial falling away, that the hearts of many believers would grow cold, note it says Many, meaning not all believers would leave the Faith, that many would remain faithfull to the Saviour..........
The proof of which is that for nigh on 2000 years the most precious saving truths remained vibrantly and clearly intact..............
That Jesus of Nazerath was.......
The Son of God,
The promised Messiah,
That He died apon the cross for creations sins,
That He arose from the dead after three days in the tomb.
And the promise was that in the LAST DAYS whosever would call apon His name would be saved..........
As His servant Paul said.....

If you can confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord,
And believe in your heart that He arose from the dead,
Then you are saved...............

For 2000 years this most precious of Salvation truths has withstood every devilish and worldly power and still shines as brightly as it did when it was first uttered out of the mouth of our Lord Jesus, then thru his Apostles and then thru every faithfull follower of Christ thru the long centuries down to our very day....

[CaptainM]

More on that gospel restoration. After retiring as President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson shared (in a letter to Jared Sparks) his hopes for a restoration of New Testament Christianity: “I hold the precepts of Jesus, as delivered by Himself, to be the most pure, benevolent and sublime, which have ever been preached to man. I adhere to the principles of the first age, and consider all subsequent innovations as corruption of religion, having no foundation in what came from Him….If the freedom of religion guaranteed to us by the law in theory can ever rise in practice….truth will prevail over fanaticism, and the genuine doctrines of Jesus, so long perverted by pseudo-priests, will again be restored to their original purity….but too late for me to witness it” (in Andrew Allison, The Real Thomas Jefferson, 1983, 366).

Jefferson was certain there would be a restoration of the original teachings of Jesus. In 1822 he also wrote to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse that he was “happy in the prospect of a restoration of primitive Christianity” (The Real Thomas Jefferson, 1983, 366). Jefferson died in 1826, just as Joseph Smith’s ministry was beginning.

‘Some say the kingdom of God was not set up on the earth until the day of Pentecost, and that John [the Baptist] did not preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; but I say, in the name of the Lord, that the kingdom of God was set up on the earth from the days of Adam to the present time. Whenever there has been a righteous man on earth unto whom God revealed His word and gave power and authority to administer in His name, and where there is a priest of God—a minister who has power and authority from God to administer in the ordinances of the gospel and officiate in the priesthood of God—there is the kingdom of God… But where these are not, the kingdom of God is not. All the ordinances, systems, and administrations on the earth are of no use to the children of men, unless they are ordained and authorized of God’ [History of the Church, 5:256-259; Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, 82-84].

The Father and the Son revealed themselves to Joseph Smith “as personally as Jesus did to his apostles anciently…and made known unto him these heavenly truths by which alone mankind can be saved” (President Lorenzo Snow, Deseret News, 31 Jan. 1877, 834). Those truths, President David O. McKay testified, “are the surest, safest guide to mortal man” (Man May Know for Himself: Teachings of President David O. McKay, 1967, 383).

Isaiah foresaw that these restored truths, and the Church of Jesus Christ revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith, would metaphorically begin as a small tent (see 3 Nephi 22:2), but would continue to roll forward and thrive until one day it would become a magnificent palace—“established in righteousness” (see 3 Nephi 22:11-14). The Prophet Joseph laid the foundation and, by revelation, gave us the blueprint, but it’s up to us to follow living apostles and prophets to finish and polish up the work. As President John Taylor said: “We have got this kingdom to build up; and it is not a phantom, but a reality. We have to do it, God expects it at our hands” (Journal of Discourses, 21:8).

From the moment the First Vision occurred, the Prophet Joseph became “the personal representative of Jesus Christ.…His agent whom He chose, ordained and set apart to lay anew the foundations of the Church of God in the world, which is indeed the Church of Jesus Christ, possessing all the powers of the gospel, all the rites and privileges, the authority of the Holy Priesthood, and every principle necessary to fit and qualify both the living and the dead to inherit eternal life, and to attain to exaltation in the kingdom of God” (Joseph F. Smith, Gospel Doctrine, 1939, 134).

And, as Joseph himself testified just a few weeks before his martyrdom, he “was chosen [to be]… the last and greatest prophet to lay the foundation of God’s work of the seventh dispensation” (May 12, 1844, in The Words of Joseph Smith, Ehat and Cook, 1980, 370).

He didn’t choose himself. He was chosen by God. As President Gordon B. Hinckley observed, “He was the instrument in the hands of the Almighty. He was the servant acting under the direction of the Lord Jesus Christ in bringing to pass this great latter-day work. We stand in reverence before him. He is the great prophet of this dispensation. He stands at the head of this great and mighty work, which is spreading across the earth. He is our prophet, our revelator, our seer, our friend. Let us not forget him. Let not his memory be forgotten… God be thanked for the Prophet Joseph” (“A Season for Gratitude,” Ensign, Dec. 1997, 2).

“[Thus] the ‘Gospel’ is as old as the first man upon this earth. It has been here in dispensations. There has been the power to teach men the way to live, ever since the beginning of man upon this earth, else what Napoleon says would be true(he said the true gospel would have been on the earth from the beginning) in this case, as it is of every other church which has no claim upon such antiquity” (“The Glory of God is Intelligence,” Elder Harold B. Lee, CES Summer School at BYU, 1954)

Please consider the following:
The Secret Brotherhood of the Founding Fathers of this Nation by One Who Is Watching at https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/

"One of the main purposes for this part of this series is to focus on the role that the false covenant plays in prophecy and specifically, in America.

We are going to address the implications of this secret combination at the time of the founding of this nation, at the time of the LDS foundation movement and at the time of the ushering in of the Marvelous Work in the third watch.

As we get deeper into our searching of the scriptures it becomes even more apparent that God, and sometimes God’s servants frequently utter cryptic statements that have a surface meaning that hides the deeper interpretation… just as we noticed with regard to Mal 3.

Here is another example of a cryptic statement that perhaps has two meanings,

“And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of WISE men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.” (101:80)

Our Sanitized version of the gospel and church history along with the sanitized version of the history of this nation would indicate that many of the founders of our nation including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and others were wise in the sense that they were Godly men of high morals and receiving inspiration from the only true God.

However, I would suggest that there is another definition of “wise” that might be a little more appropriate for those looking beneath the surface… for those looking for hidden treasures of knowledge regarding the origins of our great nation.

Another definition of wise, according to the 1828 Strongs, is

“Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. 2 Samuel 14.”

The Hebrew lexicon provides addition clarity to this particular definition

“shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

Could it possibly be that God involved shrewd, crafty, cunning men to found this nation? Is it possible that he used men that were skilled in arts, science, philosophy and divination?

Is it possible that God allow a combination of both Godly men and ungodly men to create a constitutional foundation that could either become a blessing or a cursing depending upon the cumulative righteousness of the people of this nation and how vigilant they would be in participating in the process and watching out for their God given rights?

You are no doubt aware that George Washington was participating in and highly influenced by masonry and that he and his brethren in the esoteric arts were in fact backed by a secret society that had a secret agenda for America.

What many people don’t realize is that it appears that there were secret societies that were backing many of the founding fathers in their quest to break away from England. This backing very possibly came in the form of both funding and philosophy. The philosophy had to do with the secret worship of Lucifer and the belief that America was a nation destined to bring forth the luciferian anti-Christ embodied in human form at a predetermined time and place.

Benjamin Franklin is known within our sanitized version of American history, among other things, for his great wisdom and morality.

Here is a sample of the cunning wisdom that Franklin displayed in a private communication to a close friend as he opined on the art of fornication,

This transcript is courtesy of the American Philosophical Society and the Yale University Library

June 25. 1745
“My dear Friend,” “I know of no Medicine fit to diminish the violent natural Inclinations you mention; and if I did, I think I should not communicate it to you. “…in all your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones. You call this a Paradox, and demand my Reasons. They are these:
1. Because as they have more Knowledge of the World and their Minds are better stor’d with Observations, their Conversation is more improving and more lastingly agreable.” 2. Because when Women cease to be handsome, they study to be good…. They learn to do a thousand Services small and great, and are the most tender and useful of all Friends when you are sick. 3. Because there is no hazard of Children, which irregularly produc’d may be attended with much Inconvenience. 4. Because thro’ more Experience, they are more prudent and discreet in conducting an Intrigue to prevent Suspicion. The Commerce with them is therefore safer with regard to your Reputation. And with regard to theirs, if the Affair should happen to be known, considerate People might be rather inclin’d to excuse an old Woman who would kindly take care of a young Man, form his Manners by her good Counsels, and prevent his ruining his Health and Fortune among mercenary Prostitutes.” 5… And as in the dark all Cats are grey, the Pleasure of corporal enjoyment with an old Woman is at least equal, and frequently superior, every Knack being by Practice capable of Improvement.6. Because the Sin is less. The debauching a Virgin may be her Ruin, and make her for Life unhappy.7. Because the Compunction is less. The having made a young Girl miserable may give you frequent bitter Reflections; none of which can attend the making an old Woman happy.8. [and Lastly] They are so grateful!!

Thus much for my Paradox. But still I advise you to marry directly;

being sincerely Your affectionate Friend.

B. Franklin

This letter is just one example of how wise and pious Old Ben really was.

It should be a sobering reminder to us of what God meant when he said he raised up “wise” men.

Let us review a little more about this very wise man. The following brief is taken from the same site as the above letter,

“Franklin was appointed the agent of Colonies of Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and New Jersey in 1757, to the court of England. While in this position, he began his friendship with Sir Francis Dashwood (Lord Le Despencer), who was the founder of the Medmenham Monks. This later became known as the Hell Fire Club. Dashwood was at one point the Postmaster of England, at a time when Franklin was Postmaster of the Colonies. They first got to know each other on Franklin’s trip to England in 1752.

In 1765, Franklin was again asked to return to England as the representative of the Colonies to Great Britain. Franklin’s exposure to the Hell Fire Club is described as follows by Cecil B. Currey, in Road to Revolution, Benjamin Franklin in England, 1765-1775:

“… Franklin knew Le Despencer very well. He was fully aware of an enterprise which the Englishman had been conducting for some years more or less surreptitiously, known as the Hell Fire Club. Its activities were familiar to Franklin and he occasionally joined in them… In his youth, Le Despencer had been a member of … rakes’ groups. In later years, … he determined to form a secret society that would express his interest in architecture, literature, and religion. Only the cleverest and most humorous of his friends would be asked to join. … The perfect location for such a society was soon found. Only six miles from the baron’s estate, on the bank of the Thames River near Marlow in Buckinhamshire, lay the ruins of Medmenham Abbey. It had been founded by Cistercian monks in 1145. The abbey was well located in a grove of trees, which nearly concealed it from view. The nearest road was some distance away, but members would be able to approach it easily in private boats… and … could return to their homes in complete privacy. … Workmen were sent in and the abbey was rebuilt and the grounds landscaped … to make them into a `garden of lust.’

Marble pillars were erected on which were carved pornographic inscriptions in bastard, or `macaroni’ Latin. Small Grecian-styled temples were put up here and there. The groves were filled with statuary in indecent poses. … Hollowed from a hill was the Cave of Trophonius. A fresco within it pictured sexually robust animals, a crowing cock, and a laughing nun… The buildings were designed also to carry out the theme of sexuality. … To one side of the main door sat a statue of Harpocrates, the god of silence… Opposite was … Volupian Angerone, goddess of secret passion. Rooms adjacent to the chapel were designed to heighten the sexual utility of the place. There was a Roman Room, its wall hung with paintings copied from ancient and indecent Roman frescoes. Also on the walls were paintings of famous English prostitutes… Small statues of Egyptian gods and goddesses sat in niches in the walls. The abbey’s library was situated near the Roman Room. It supposedly contained one of the most complete collections of pornography in England…

Somewhere between 1752 and 1755, Dashwood … opened his society, known as the Medmenham Monks, and later referred to as the Hell Fire Club. For his monks there was to be a goodly number of nuns… – the main reason many belonged to the club. Most were prostitutes… some were local girls wanting excitement, but many were ladies of society. Of the last group, one of the best known was Lady Mary Wortley Montagu. Many nuns were wives, mothers, sisters, or the betrothed of members… The members, or monks, were `dabblers in art and literature’, and many were among the most prominent men in the kingdom. There were two orders of monks; the superior and the inferior – twelve superiors and perhaps as many as forty to fifty inferior members. …

… superior members included … Lord Sandwich…John Wilkes…Charles Churchill A group with a membership of this scope … could wield tremendous power should they wish to act in unison for political ends. It was for this reason that Benjamin Franklin became a monk … sometime after his arrival in England in 1765. … Sir Francis had a huge and elaborate cave dug in the side of a hill on his grounds. It was in this underground headquarters that the monks met after 1762. …

… Franklin wrote…: ‘The exquisite sense of classical design, charmingly reproduced… whimsical and puzzling as it may be in its imagery, is as evident below the earth as above it.’ … Others known to be present at the time were Lady Mary Wortley Montague, and the household of Frederick, Prince of Wales. …” (Currey)

I am not qualified to pass judgment on any individuals as far as what their current standing is before God nor what their final reward will be nor do I desire to do so, however, we all have a responsibility to avoid setting ANY mortals as our idols and we have a responsibility to scrutinize the works and the teachings and the fruit that they bring forth lest we and our posterity be deceived.

There in now evidence coming forth that suggests that many of the founding fathers were part of an elite group who intended the constitution and bill of rights to exclusively protect their rights and the rights of their posterity and not to the equal rights of all people. This would explain the apparent contradiction in the fact that many of them continued having slaves despite the curious wording in some of the inspired documents they wrote.

Perhaps this is why the Lord admonished the Saints to BEFRIEND the law which is the constitutional law of the land,

“Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land”

The need to befriend the constitutional law implies that there was not currently a friendship between the Saints and the constitutional law of the land at that time.

In section 38 the Lord proclaims “Wherefore, hear my voice and follow me, and you SHALL be a free people, a ye shall have no laws but my laws when I come for I am your lawgiver, ad what can stay my hand?”

If the laws of the land were current friendly towards the saints and if they were currently a free people because of them, why was the Lord telling them that they would be made FREE at a future time by following after him?

Could it be that sinister powers were already controlling the nation back at that time?

The fact that people like Washington, Jefferson and Franklin and most of the Presidents of the United States were involved in secret societies should be a red flag in light of what the book of Mormon and the Book of Moses reveals.

I am not suggesting that all of the founding fathers of this nation were evil. I am not even suggesting that all of the ones involved in masonry were knowingly conspiring in behalf of the dark forces..

Many may have been deceived into their involvement into the secret societies simply believing their involvement would provide them with the connections they needed to promote their agenda.

One of the very few Presidents of the United States that at least sounded the warning voice and gave lip service to the importance of not allowing secret societies and secretiveness to infiltrate government was John F. Kennedy.

Despite the fact that he had loose personal morals, he seemed to understand and appreciate the principles of liberty and he refused to take orders from the Jesuit/Masonic powers that were controlling the currency of the United States.

The following speech he gave, was given just days before that secret organization assassinated him.

The words he spoke were deeply profound.

Kennedy was so hated by the Whore because of his love for freedom and his desire to break free from the various tentacles of the Whore, and Bush Jr. was so loved by the Whore (even though he was not a baptized catholic at the time) that at a Catholic sponsored breakfast, Bush was facetiously referred to as the first Catholic president of the US, blatantly neglecting the fact that Kennedy had served as a US president many years before Bush.

The Whore rejected Kennedy as one of their own and embraced Bush. (Bush has since converted to Catholicism)

I encourage you to listen to this brief talk. It is one of the the greatest speeches ever given by a US president.


The following video might be of interest as well.


The word “wise” is used in two different ways in the scriptures. One must discern by the context and by the spirit which definition is being used.

For instance, notice how it is used in the following passages in section 52,

Yea, a supper of the house of the Lord, well prepared, unto which all nations shall be invited.

“First, the rich and the learned, the wise and the noble;

And after that cometh the day of my power; then shall the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf, come in unto the marriage of the Lamb, and partake of the supper of the Lord, prepared for the great day to come.” (See section 58 and also Isa 25, 34, 39 Ezek 21, Zeph 1)

Two completely different groups of people are being described in the passages above.

The first group comes to the great supper first.

You must do some key word searches to see what really happens when the rich, learned, wise and noble come. Once you realize who they are, you realize that the term “wise” is referring to people who are “Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. These are people who are “shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

After God deals with them and feeds their carcasses to the birds, he then gathers the second group of people unto the marriage of the Lamb.

In recent times several authors such as Dan Brown, Tom Horn and others have begun revealing bits and pieces of truth about the fact that a secret organization was very much involved in the founding of this nation. They had very specific plans for it. those plans have to do with the bringing forth of a kingdom… and it is not the kingdom of the only true God! It is the kingdom of the Devil.

This is why section 38 informed Joseph that the secret combination wanted to destroy the Church of Christ. They wanted to prevent the kingdom of God from rolling forth.

One of the greatest masons produced by America was Albert Pike.

According to internet sources, Albert Pike was a Harvard graduate and was said to be a genius. He was able to read and write in 16 different languages. During his life he was a poet, philosopher, frontiersman, soldier, humanitarian and a philanthropist. In short, he was “Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. He was “shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

He was also a 32 degree Mason and was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Among other things, Albert Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult. It was said that he possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer and had communication with him. Due to his communicating with the devil, Pike received a vision which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini dated August 15, 1871.

Many people dispute the credibility of the supposed vision that he had, however, if it has been fabricated, it seems to have been a pretty lucky guess by someone.

In this letter, Pike describes three world wars that will occur in the future. World War Three pits the christian world against the Muslim World.

Much more could be said in this article to fill in the blanks about what the founding fathers had in mind and how the kingdom of the God of this world is to be ushered in… additionally much more could be said to connect the dots between the relationships between the secret fraternities in England and other foreign countries and those in America during the war with England.

Other dots could be connected between the secret organization in the bowels of the Vatican and the various secret organizations that it controls. More could be said about the secret organizations and witchcraft that have guided the white house and other governing bodies of this nation, as well as the role played by Pike and other Americans, including LDS masons.

But it is really not necessary…. you get the idea.

The thing you need to realize is that in the very near future two separate kingdoms are going to emerge on this earth as they become complete.

One is currently waiting for the missing cornerstone.

The other is currently waiting for the missing capstone."

In Christ. Best wishes...

[EvanLM]

a constitutional government beats communism, maoism, naziism, etc any day of the week. And the destruction of the constitutional law has led to worse debauchery, sexual deviation, crime and pilaging, etc. than what the stories of these men reveal.

The citizenship of america did well to live the constitution for as many years as they were allowed. And now after many years of striking at the constitutional government we are indeed a ruined culture that will soon be gone unless something changes. I don't think our day compares with Geroge Washington's time.

[Dusty Wanderer]

a constitutional government beats communism, maoism, naziism, etc any day of the week. And the destruction of the constitutional law has led to worse debauchery, sexual deviation, crime and pilaging, etc. than what the stories of these men reveal.

The citizenship of america did well to live the constitution for as many years as they were allowed. And now after many years of striking at the constitutional government we are indeed a ruined culture that will soon be gone unless something changes. I don't think our day compares with Geroge Washington's time.

I agree that the constitutional republic certainly beats communism, etc. However, the constitution provisions no guarantees of morality and goodness from its citizens. I think that was one of the points CaptainM was making, that the constitution permits its people to choose how they use their agency, whether for good or evil. One could argue that the level of debauchery observed is a result of the effectiveness of the constitution, as it protects its peoples' ability to choose poorly.

[Dusty Wanderer]

...
Here is another example of a cryptic statement that perhaps has two meanings,

“And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of WISE men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.” (101:80)

...

However, I would suggest that there is another definition of “wise” that might be a little more appropriate for those looking beneath the surface… for those looking for hidden treasures of knowledge regarding the origins of our great nation.

Another definition of wise, according to the 1828 Strongs, is

“Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. 2 Samuel 14.”

The Hebrew lexicon provides addition clarity to this particular definition

“shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

...

The word “wise” is used in two different ways in the scriptures. One must discern by the context and by the spirit which definition is being used.

For instance, notice how it is used in the following passages in section 52,

Yea, a supper of the house of the Lord, well prepared, unto which all nations shall be invited.

“First, the rich and the learned, the wise and the noble;

And after that cometh the day of my power; then shall the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf, come in unto the marriage of the Lamb, and partake of the supper of the Lord, prepared for the great day to come.” (See section 58 and also Isa 25, 34, 39 Ezek 21, Zeph 1)

...

"We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders."

[larsenb]

. . . . . Please consider the following:
The Secret Brotherhood of the Founding Fathers of this Nation by One Who Is Watching at https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/

"One of the main purposes for this part of this series is to focus on the role that the false covenant plays in prophecy and specifically, in America.

We are going to address the implications of this secret combination at the time of the founding of this nation, at the time of the LDS foundation movement and at the time of the ushering in of the Marvelous Work in the third watch.

As we get deeper into our searching of the scriptures it becomes even more apparent that God, and sometimes God’s servants frequently utter cryptic statements that have a surface meaning that hides the deeper interpretation… just as we noticed with regard to Mal 3.

Here is another example of a cryptic statement that perhaps has two meanings,

“And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of WISE men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.” (101:80)

Our Sanitized version of the gospel and church history along with the sanitized version of the history of this nation would indicate that many of the founders of our nation including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and others were wise in the sense that they were Godly men of high morals and receiving inspiration from the only true God.

However, I would suggest that there is another definition of “wise” that might be a little more appropriate for those looking beneath the surface… for those looking for hidden treasures of knowledge regarding the origins of our great nation.

Another definition of wise, according to the 1828 Strongs, is

“Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. 2 Samuel 14.”

The Hebrew lexicon provides addition clarity to this particular definition

“shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

Could it possibly be that God involved shrewd, crafty, cunning men to found this nation? Is it possible that he used men that were skilled in arts, science, philosophy and divination?

Is it possible that God allow a combination of both Godly men and ungodly men to create a constitutional foundation that could either become a blessing or a cursing depending upon the cumulative righteousness of the people of this nation and how vigilant they would be in participating in the process and watching out for their God given rights?

You are no doubt aware that George Washington was participating in and highly influenced by masonry and that he and his brethren in the esoteric arts were in fact backed by a secret society that had a secret agenda for America.

What many people don’t realize is that it appears that there were secret societies that were backing many of the founding fathers in their quest to break away from England. This backing very possibly came in the form of both funding and philosophy. The philosophy had to do with the secret worship of Lucifer and the belief that America was a nation destined to bring forth the luciferian anti-Christ embodied in human form at a predetermined time and place.

Benjamin Franklin is known within our sanitized version of American history, among other things, for his great wisdom and morality.

Here is a sample of the cunning wisdom that Franklin displayed in a private communication to a close friend as he opined on the art of fornication,

This transcript is courtesy of the American Philosophical Society and the Yale University Library

June 25. 1745
“My dear Friend,” “I know of no Medicine fit to diminish the violent natural Inclinations you mention; and if I did, I think I should not communicate it to you. “…in all your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones. You call this a Paradox, and demand my Reasons. They are these:
1. Because as they have more Knowledge of the World and their Minds are better stor’d with Observations, their Conversation is more improving and more lastingly agreable.” 2. Because when Women cease to be handsome, they study to be good…. They learn to do a thousand Services small and great, and are the most tender and useful of all Friends when you are sick. 3. Because there is no hazard of Children, which irregularly produc’d may be attended with much Inconvenience. 4. Because thro’ more Experience, they are more prudent and discreet in conducting an Intrigue to prevent Suspicion. The Commerce with them is therefore safer with regard to your Reputation. And with regard to theirs, if the Affair should happen to be known, considerate People might be rather inclin’d to excuse an old Woman who would kindly take care of a young Man, form his Manners by her good Counsels, and prevent his ruining his Health and Fortune among mercenary Prostitutes.” 5… And as in the dark all Cats are grey, the Pleasure of corporal enjoyment with an old Woman is at least equal, and frequently superior, every Knack being by Practice capable of Improvement.6. Because the Sin is less. The debauching a Virgin may be her Ruin, and make her for Life unhappy.7. Because the Compunction is less. The having made a young Girl miserable may give you frequent bitter Reflections; none of which can attend the making an old Woman happy.8. [and Lastly] They are so grateful!!

Thus much for my Paradox. But still I advise you to marry directly;

being sincerely Your affectionate Friend.

B. Franklin

This letter is just one example of how wise and pious Old Ben really was.

It should be a sobering reminder to us of what God meant when he said he raised up “wise” men.

Let us review a little more about this very wise man. The following brief is taken from the same site as the above letter,

“Franklin was appointed the agent of Colonies of Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and New Jersey in 1757, to the court of England. While in this position, he began his friendship with Sir Francis Dashwood (Lord Le Despencer), who was the founder of the Medmenham Monks. This later became known as the Hell Fire Club. Dashwood was at one point the Postmaster of England, at a time when Franklin was Postmaster of the Colonies. They first got to know each other on Franklin’s trip to England in 1752.

In 1765, Franklin was again asked to return to England as the representative of the Colonies to Great Britain. Franklin’s exposure to the Hell Fire Club is described as follows by Cecil B. Currey, in Road to Revolution, Benjamin Franklin in England, 1765-1775:

“… Franklin knew Le Despencer very well. He was fully aware of an enterprise which the Englishman had been conducting for some years more or less surreptitiously, known as the Hell Fire Club. Its activities were familiar to Franklin and he occasionally joined in them… In his youth, Le Despencer had been a member of … rakes’ groups. In later years, … he determined to form a secret society that would express his interest in architecture, literature, and religion. Only the cleverest and most humorous of his friends would be asked to join. … The perfect location for such a society was soon found. Only six miles from the baron’s estate, on the bank of the Thames River near Marlow in Buckinhamshire, lay the ruins of Medmenham Abbey. It had been founded by Cistercian monks in 1145. The abbey was well located in a grove of trees, which nearly concealed it from view. The nearest road was some distance away, but members would be able to approach it easily in private boats… and … could return to their homes in complete privacy. … Workmen were sent in and the abbey was rebuilt and the grounds landscaped … to make them into a `garden of lust.’

Marble pillars were erected on which were carved pornographic inscriptions in bastard, or `macaroni’ Latin. Small Grecian-styled temples were put up here and there. The groves were filled with statuary in indecent poses. … Hollowed from a hill was the Cave of Trophonius. A fresco within it pictured sexually robust animals, a crowing cock, and a laughing nun… The buildings were designed also to carry out the theme of sexuality. … To one side of the main door sat a statue of Harpocrates, the god of silence… Opposite was … Volupian Angerone, goddess of secret passion. Rooms adjacent to the chapel were designed to heighten the sexual utility of the place. There was a Roman Room, its wall hung with paintings copied from ancient and indecent Roman frescoes. Also on the walls were paintings of famous English prostitutes… Small statues of Egyptian gods and goddesses sat in niches in the walls. The abbey’s library was situated near the Roman Room. It supposedly contained one of the most complete collections of pornography in England…

Somewhere between 1752 and 1755, Dashwood … opened his society, known as the Medmenham Monks, and later referred to as the Hell Fire Club. For his monks there was to be a goodly number of nuns… – the main reason many belonged to the club. Most were prostitutes… some were local girls wanting excitement, but many were ladies of society. Of the last group, one of the best known was Lady Mary Wortley Montagu. Many nuns were wives, mothers, sisters, or the betrothed of members… The members, or monks, were `dabblers in art and literature’, and many were among the most prominent men in the kingdom. There were two orders of monks; the superior and the inferior – twelve superiors and perhaps as many as forty to fifty inferior members. …

… superior members included … Lord Sandwich…John Wilkes…Charles Churchill A group with a membership of this scope … could wield tremendous power should they wish to act in unison for political ends. It was for this reason that Benjamin Franklin became a monk … sometime after his arrival in England in 1765. … Sir Francis had a huge and elaborate cave dug in the side of a hill on his grounds. It was in this underground headquarters that the monks met after 1762. …

… Franklin wrote…: ‘The exquisite sense of classical design, charmingly reproduced… whimsical and puzzling as it may be in its imagery, is as evident below the earth as above it.’ … Others known to be present at the time were Lady Mary Wortley Montague, and the household of Frederick, Prince of Wales. …” (Currey)

I am not qualified to pass judgment on any individuals as far as what their current standing is before God nor what their final reward will be nor do I desire to do so, however, we all have a responsibility to avoid setting ANY mortals as our idols and we have a responsibility to scrutinize the works and the teachings and the fruit that they bring forth lest we and our posterity be deceived.

There in now evidence coming forth that suggests that many of the founding fathers were part of an elite group who intended the constitution and bill of rights to exclusively protect their rights and the rights of their posterity and not to the equal rights of all people. This would explain the apparent contradiction in the fact that many of them continued having slaves despite the curious wording in some of the inspired documents they wrote.

Perhaps this is why the Lord admonished the Saints to BEFRIEND the law which is the constitutional law of the land,

“Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land”

The need to befriend the constitutional law implies that there was not currently a friendship between the Saints and the constitutional law of the land at that time.

In section 38 the Lord proclaims “Wherefore, hear my voice and follow me, and you SHALL be a free people, a ye shall have no laws but my laws when I come for I am your lawgiver, ad what can stay my hand?”

If the laws of the land were current friendly towards the saints and if they were currently a free people because of them, why was the Lord telling them that they would be made FREE at a future time by following after him?

Could it be that sinister powers were already controlling the nation back at that time?

The fact that people like Washington, Jefferson and Franklin and most of the Presidents of the United States were involved in secret societies should be a red flag in light of what the book of Mormon and the Book of Moses reveals.

I am not suggesting that all of the founding fathers of this nation were evil. I am not even suggesting that all of the ones involved in masonry were knowingly conspiring in behalf of the dark forces..

Many may have been deceived into their involvement into the secret societies simply believing their involvement would provide them with the connections they needed to promote their agenda.

One of the very few Presidents of the United States that at least sounded the warning voice and gave lip service to the importance of not allowing secret societies and secretiveness to infiltrate government was John F. Kennedy.

Despite the fact that he had loose personal morals, he seemed to understand and appreciate the principles of liberty and he refused to take orders from the Jesuit/Masonic powers that were controlling the currency of the United States.

The following speech he gave, was given just days before that secret organization assassinated him.

The words he spoke were deeply profound.

Kennedy was so hated by the Whore because of his love for freedom and his desire to break free from the various tentacles of the Whore, and Bush Jr. was so loved by the Whore (even though he was not a baptized catholic at the time) that at a Catholic sponsored breakfast, Bush was facetiously referred to as the first Catholic president of the US, blatantly neglecting the fact that Kennedy had served as a US president many years before Bush.

The Whore rejected Kennedy as one of their own and embraced Bush. (Bush has since converted to Catholicism)

I encourage you to listen to this brief talk. It is one of the the greatest speeches ever given by a US president.


The following video might be of interest as well.


The word “wise” is used in two different ways in the scriptures. One must discern by the context and by the spirit which definition is being used.

For instance, notice how it is used in the following passages in section 52,

Yea, a supper of the house of the Lord, well prepared, unto which all nations shall be invited.

“First, the rich and the learned, the wise and the noble;

And after that cometh the day of my power; then shall the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf, come in unto the marriage of the Lamb, and partake of the supper of the Lord, prepared for the great day to come.” (See section 58 and also Isa 25, 34, 39 Ezek 21, Zeph 1)

Two completely different groups of people are being described in the passages above.

The first group comes to the great supper first.

You must do some key word searches to see what really happens when the rich, learned, wise and noble come. Once you realize who they are, you realize that the term “wise” is referring to people who are “Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. These are people who are “shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

After God deals with them and feeds their carcasses to the birds, he then gathers the second group of people unto the marriage of the Lamb.

In recent times several authors such as Dan Brown, Tom Horn and others have begun revealing bits and pieces of truth about the fact that a secret organization was very much involved in the founding of this nation. They had very specific plans for it. those plans have to do with the bringing forth of a kingdom… and it is not the kingdom of the only true God! It is the kingdom of the Devil.

This is why section 38 informed Joseph that the secret combination wanted to destroy the Church of Christ. They wanted to prevent the kingdom of God from rolling forth.

One of the greatest masons produced by America was Albert Pike.

According to internet sources, Albert Pike was a Harvard graduate and was said to be a genius. He was able to read and write in 16 different languages. During his life he was a poet, philosopher, frontiersman, soldier, humanitarian and a philanthropist. In short, he was “Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. He was “shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

He was also a 32 degree Mason and was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Among other things, Albert Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult. It was said that he possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer and had communication with him. Due to his communicating with the devil, Pike received a vision which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini dated August 15, 1871.

Many people dispute the credibility of the supposed vision that he had, however, if it has been fabricated, it seems to have been a pretty lucky guess by someone.

In this letter, Pike describes three world wars that will occur in the future. World War Three pits the christian world against the Muslim World.

Much more could be said in this article to fill in the blanks about what the founding fathers had in mind and how the kingdom of the God of this world is to be ushered in… additionally much more could be said to connect the dots between the relationships between the secret fraternities in England and other foreign countries and those in America during the war with England.

Other dots could be connected between the secret organization in the bowels of the Vatican and the various secret organizations that it controls. More could be said about the secret organizations and witchcraft that have guided the white house and other governing bodies of this nation, as well as the role played by Pike and other Americans, including LDS masons.

But it is really not necessary…. you get the idea.

The thing you need to realize is that in the very near future two separate kingdoms are going to emerge on this earth as they become complete.

One is currently waiting for the missing cornerstone.

The other is currently waiting for the missing capstone."

In Christ. Best wishes...

Fascinating stuff. I've been reading and wondering about this dichotomy for years. This is an excellent job in outlining it. New to me is the idea of: "First, the rich and the learned, the wise and the noble" as opposed to: Second, "the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf". Very intriguing idea, and that JS (via God) picked up on it in his revelations, along with earlier prophets, carries weight.

Then you oppose Benjamin Franklin's apparent involvement in the Hell Fire Club, with John Adams saying: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Or Franklin's 'real sexualitat" (taking off from 'real politic') coupled w/his Hell Fire Club participation, opposed by his suggestion that the way to break up the deadlock in the deliberations of the Constitutional Convention, was to pray to God about what to do:

"We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded; and we ourselves shall become a reproach and by-word down to future ages...I therefore beg leave to move — that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service."

I think Franklin's advice to his friend to focus his immorality on older women, contains a lot of truth . . . if you are 'hell' bent on this kind of activity.

So a lot of mixed messages from some of the founders, not the least of which was Thomas Jefferson, with his expunging anything 'miraculous', etc., out of the New Testament.

As a side note, the Cistercian order of monks was closely related to the Knights Templar back in their heyday, and with its remnants at least into the 15th Century. And the Templars segue into Masonic orders coming into prominence later, in my view, having read a book or two on the subject.

[Dusty Wanderer]

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The Secret Brotherhood of the Founding Fathers of this Nation by One Who Is Watching at https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/

"One of the main purposes for this part of this series is to focus on the role that the false covenant plays in prophecy and specifically, in America.

We are going to address the implications of this secret combination at the time of the founding of this nation, at the time of the LDS foundation movement and at the time of the ushering in of the Marvelous Work in the third watch.

As we get deeper into our searching of the scriptures it becomes even more apparent that God, and sometimes God’s servants frequently utter cryptic statements that have a surface meaning that hides the deeper interpretation… just as we noticed with regard to Mal 3.

Here is another example of a cryptic statement that perhaps has two meanings,

“And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of WISE men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.” (101:80)

Our Sanitized version of the gospel and church history along with the sanitized version of the history of this nation would indicate that many of the founders of our nation including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and others were wise in the sense that they were Godly men of high morals and receiving inspiration from the only true God.

However, I would suggest that there is another definition of “wise” that might be a little more appropriate for those looking beneath the surface… for those looking for hidden treasures of knowledge regarding the origins of our great nation.

Another definition of wise, according to the 1828 Strongs, is

“Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. 2 Samuel 14.”

The Hebrew lexicon provides addition clarity to this particular definition

“shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

Could it possibly be that God involved shrewd, crafty, cunning men to found this nation? Is it possible that he used men that were skilled in arts, science, philosophy and divination?

Is it possible that God allow a combination of both Godly men and ungodly men to create a constitutional foundation that could either become a blessing or a cursing depending upon the cumulative righteousness of the people of this nation and how vigilant they would be in participating in the process and watching out for their God given rights?

You are no doubt aware that George Washington was participating in and highly influenced by masonry and that he and his brethren in the esoteric arts were in fact backed by a secret society that had a secret agenda for America.

What many people don’t realize is that it appears that there were secret societies that were backing many of the founding fathers in their quest to break away from England. This backing very possibly came in the form of both funding and philosophy. The philosophy had to do with the secret worship of Lucifer and the belief that America was a nation destined to bring forth the luciferian anti-Christ embodied in human form at a predetermined time and place.

Benjamin Franklin is known within our sanitized version of American history, among other things, for his great wisdom and morality.

Here is a sample of the cunning wisdom that Franklin displayed in a private communication to a close friend as he opined on the art of fornication,

This transcript is courtesy of the American Philosophical Society and the Yale University Library

June 25. 1745
“My dear Friend,” “I know of no Medicine fit to diminish the violent natural Inclinations you mention; and if I did, I think I should not communicate it to you. “…in all your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones. You call this a Paradox, and demand my Reasons. They are these:
1. Because as they have more Knowledge of the World and their Minds are better stor’d with Observations, their Conversation is more improving and more lastingly agreable.” 2. Because when Women cease to be handsome, they study to be good…. They learn to do a thousand Services small and great, and are the most tender and useful of all Friends when you are sick. 3. Because there is no hazard of Children, which irregularly produc’d may be attended with much Inconvenience. 4. Because thro’ more Experience, they are more prudent and discreet in conducting an Intrigue to prevent Suspicion. The Commerce with them is therefore safer with regard to your Reputation. And with regard to theirs, if the Affair should happen to be known, considerate People might be rather inclin’d to excuse an old Woman who would kindly take care of a young Man, form his Manners by her good Counsels, and prevent his ruining his Health and Fortune among mercenary Prostitutes.” 5… And as in the dark all Cats are grey, the Pleasure of corporal enjoyment with an old Woman is at least equal, and frequently superior, every Knack being by Practice capable of Improvement.6. Because the Sin is less. The debauching a Virgin may be her Ruin, and make her for Life unhappy.7. Because the Compunction is less. The having made a young Girl miserable may give you frequent bitter Reflections; none of which can attend the making an old Woman happy.8. [and Lastly] They are so grateful!!

Thus much for my Paradox. But still I advise you to marry directly;

being sincerely Your affectionate Friend.

B. Franklin

This letter is just one example of how wise and pious Old Ben really was.

It should be a sobering reminder to us of what God meant when he said he raised up “wise” men.

Let us review a little more about this very wise man. The following brief is taken from the same site as the above letter,

“Franklin was appointed the agent of Colonies of Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and New Jersey in 1757, to the court of England. While in this position, he began his friendship with Sir Francis Dashwood (Lord Le Despencer), who was the founder of the Medmenham Monks. This later became known as the Hell Fire Club. Dashwood was at one point the Postmaster of England, at a time when Franklin was Postmaster of the Colonies. They first got to know each other on Franklin’s trip to England in 1752.

In 1765, Franklin was again asked to return to England as the representative of the Colonies to Great Britain. Franklin’s exposure to the Hell Fire Club is described as follows by Cecil B. Currey, in Road to Revolution, Benjamin Franklin in England, 1765-1775:

“… Franklin knew Le Despencer very well. He was fully aware of an enterprise which the Englishman had been conducting for some years more or less surreptitiously, known as the Hell Fire Club. Its activities were familiar to Franklin and he occasionally joined in them… In his youth, Le Despencer had been a member of … rakes’ groups. In later years, … he determined to form a secret society that would express his interest in architecture, literature, and religion. Only the cleverest and most humorous of his friends would be asked to join. … The perfect location for such a society was soon found. Only six miles from the baron’s estate, on the bank of the Thames River near Marlow in Buckinhamshire, lay the ruins of Medmenham Abbey. It had been founded by Cistercian monks in 1145. The abbey was well located in a grove of trees, which nearly concealed it from view. The nearest road was some distance away, but members would be able to approach it easily in private boats… and … could return to their homes in complete privacy. … Workmen were sent in and the abbey was rebuilt and the grounds landscaped … to make them into a `garden of lust.’

Marble pillars were erected on which were carved pornographic inscriptions in bastard, or `macaroni’ Latin. Small Grecian-styled temples were put up here and there. The groves were filled with statuary in indecent poses. … Hollowed from a hill was the Cave of Trophonius. A fresco within it pictured sexually robust animals, a crowing cock, and a laughing nun… The buildings were designed also to carry out the theme of sexuality. … To one side of the main door sat a statue of Harpocrates, the god of silence… Opposite was … Volupian Angerone, goddess of secret passion. Rooms adjacent to the chapel were designed to heighten the sexual utility of the place. There was a Roman Room, its wall hung with paintings copied from ancient and indecent Roman frescoes. Also on the walls were paintings of famous English prostitutes… Small statues of Egyptian gods and goddesses sat in niches in the walls. The abbey’s library was situated near the Roman Room. It supposedly contained one of the most complete collections of pornography in England…

Somewhere between 1752 and 1755, Dashwood … opened his society, known as the Medmenham Monks, and later referred to as the Hell Fire Club. For his monks there was to be a goodly number of nuns… – the main reason many belonged to the club. Most were prostitutes… some were local girls wanting excitement, but many were ladies of society. Of the last group, one of the best known was Lady Mary Wortley Montagu. Many nuns were wives, mothers, sisters, or the betrothed of members… The members, or monks, were `dabblers in art and literature’, and many were among the most prominent men in the kingdom. There were two orders of monks; the superior and the inferior – twelve superiors and perhaps as many as forty to fifty inferior members. …

… superior members included … Lord Sandwich…John Wilkes…Charles Churchill A group with a membership of this scope … could wield tremendous power should they wish to act in unison for political ends. It was for this reason that Benjamin Franklin became a monk … sometime after his arrival in England in 1765. … Sir Francis had a huge and elaborate cave dug in the side of a hill on his grounds. It was in this underground headquarters that the monks met after 1762. …

… Franklin wrote…: ‘The exquisite sense of classical design, charmingly reproduced… whimsical and puzzling as it may be in its imagery, is as evident below the earth as above it.’ … Others known to be present at the time were Lady Mary Wortley Montague, and the household of Frederick, Prince of Wales. …” (Currey)

I am not qualified to pass judgment on any individuals as far as what their current standing is before God nor what their final reward will be nor do I desire to do so, however, we all have a responsibility to avoid setting ANY mortals as our idols and we have a responsibility to scrutinize the works and the teachings and the fruit that they bring forth lest we and our posterity be deceived.

There in now evidence coming forth that suggests that many of the founding fathers were part of an elite group who intended the constitution and bill of rights to exclusively protect their rights and the rights of their posterity and not to the equal rights of all people. This would explain the apparent contradiction in the fact that many of them continued having slaves despite the curious wording in some of the inspired documents they wrote.

Perhaps this is why the Lord admonished the Saints to BEFRIEND the law which is the constitutional law of the land,

“Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land”

The need to befriend the constitutional law implies that there was not currently a friendship between the Saints and the constitutional law of the land at that time.

In section 38 the Lord proclaims “Wherefore, hear my voice and follow me, and you SHALL be a free people, a ye shall have no laws but my laws when I come for I am your lawgiver, ad what can stay my hand?”

If the laws of the land were current friendly towards the saints and if they were currently a free people because of them, why was the Lord telling them that they would be made FREE at a future time by following after him?

Could it be that sinister powers were already controlling the nation back at that time?

The fact that people like Washington, Jefferson and Franklin and most of the Presidents of the United States were involved in secret societies should be a red flag in light of what the book of Mormon and the Book of Moses reveals.

I am not suggesting that all of the founding fathers of this nation were evil. I am not even suggesting that all of the ones involved in masonry were knowingly conspiring in behalf of the dark forces..

Many may have been deceived into their involvement into the secret societies simply believing their involvement would provide them with the connections they needed to promote their agenda.

One of the very few Presidents of the United States that at least sounded the warning voice and gave lip service to the importance of not allowing secret societies and secretiveness to infiltrate government was John F. Kennedy.

Despite the fact that he had loose personal morals, he seemed to understand and appreciate the principles of liberty and he refused to take orders from the Jesuit/Masonic powers that were controlling the currency of the United States.

The following speech he gave, was given just days before that secret organization assassinated him.

The words he spoke were deeply profound.

Kennedy was so hated by the Whore because of his love for freedom and his desire to break free from the various tentacles of the Whore, and Bush Jr. was so loved by the Whore (even though he was not a baptized catholic at the time) that at a Catholic sponsored breakfast, Bush was facetiously referred to as the first Catholic president of the US, blatantly neglecting the fact that Kennedy had served as a US president many years before Bush.

The Whore rejected Kennedy as one of their own and embraced Bush. (Bush has since converted to Catholicism)

I encourage you to listen to this brief talk. It is one of the the greatest speeches ever given by a US president.


The following video might be of interest as well.


The word “wise” is used in two different ways in the scriptures. One must discern by the context and by the spirit which definition is being used.

For instance, notice how it is used in the following passages in section 52,

Yea, a supper of the house of the Lord, well prepared, unto which all nations shall be invited.

“First, the rich and the learned, the wise and the noble;

And after that cometh the day of my power; then shall the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf, come in unto the marriage of the Lamb, and partake of the supper of the Lord, prepared for the great day to come.” (See section 58 and also Isa 25, 34, 39 Ezek 21, Zeph 1)

Two completely different groups of people are being described in the passages above.

The first group comes to the great supper first.

You must do some key word searches to see what really happens when the rich, learned, wise and noble come. Once you realize who they are, you realize that the term “wise” is referring to people who are “Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. These are people who are “shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

After God deals with them and feeds their carcasses to the birds, he then gathers the second group of people unto the marriage of the Lamb.

In recent times several authors such as Dan Brown, Tom Horn and others have begun revealing bits and pieces of truth about the fact that a secret organization was very much involved in the founding of this nation. They had very specific plans for it. those plans have to do with the bringing forth of a kingdom… and it is not the kingdom of the only true God! It is the kingdom of the Devil.

This is why section 38 informed Joseph that the secret combination wanted to destroy the Church of Christ. They wanted to prevent the kingdom of God from rolling forth.

One of the greatest masons produced by America was Albert Pike.

According to internet sources, Albert Pike was a Harvard graduate and was said to be a genius. He was able to read and write in 16 different languages. During his life he was a poet, philosopher, frontiersman, soldier, humanitarian and a philanthropist. In short, he was “Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. He was “shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

He was also a 32 degree Mason and was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Among other things, Albert Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult. It was said that he possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer and had communication with him. Due to his communicating with the devil, Pike received a vision which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini dated August 15, 1871.

Many people dispute the credibility of the supposed vision that he had, however, if it has been fabricated, it seems to have been a pretty lucky guess by someone.

In this letter, Pike describes three world wars that will occur in the future. World War Three pits the christian world against the Muslim World.

Much more could be said in this article to fill in the blanks about what the founding fathers had in mind and how the kingdom of the God of this world is to be ushered in… additionally much more could be said to connect the dots between the relationships between the secret fraternities in England and other foreign countries and those in America during the war with England.

Other dots could be connected between the secret organization in the bowels of the Vatican and the various secret organizations that it controls. More could be said about the secret organizations and witchcraft that have guided the white house and other governing bodies of this nation, as well as the role played by Pike and other Americans, including LDS masons.

But it is really not necessary…. you get the idea.

The thing you need to realize is that in the very near future two separate kingdoms are going to emerge on this earth as they become complete.

One is currently waiting for the missing cornerstone.

The other is currently waiting for the missing capstone."

In Christ. Best wishes...

Fascinating stuff. I've been reading and wondering about this dichotomy for years. This is an excellent job in outlining it. New to me is the idea of: "First, the rich and the learned, the wise and the noble" as opposed to: Second, "the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf". Very intriguing idea, and that JS (via God) picked up on it in his revelations, along with earlier prophets, carries weight.

Then you oppose Benjamin Franklin's apparent involvement in the Hell Fire Club, with John Adams saying: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Or Franklin's 'real sexualitat" (taking off from 'real politic') coupled w/his Hell Fire Club participation, opposed by his suggestion that the way to break up the deadlock in the deliberations of the Constitutional Convention, was to pray to God about what to do:

"We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded; and we ourselves shall become a reproach and by-word down to future ages...I therefore beg leave to move — that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service."

I think Franklin's advice to his friend to focus his immorality on older women, contains a lot of truth . . . if you are 'hell' bent on this kind of activity.

So a lot of mixed messages from some of the founders, not the least of which was Thomas Jefferson, with his expunging anything 'miraculous', etc., out of the New Testament.

As a side note, the Cistercian order of monks was closely related to the Knights Templar back in their heyday, and with its remnants at least into the 15th Century. And the Templars segue into Masonic orders coming into prominence later, in my view, having read a book or two on the subject.

Do you see any of these mixed messages from John Adams, though?

[larsenb]

. . . . . Please consider the following:
The Secret Brotherhood of the Founding Fathers of this Nation by One Who Is Watching at https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/

"One of the main purposes for this part of this series is to focus on the role that the false covenant plays in prophecy and specifically, in America.

We are going to address the implications of this secret combination at the time of the founding of this nation, at the time of the LDS foundation movement and at the time of the ushering in of the Marvelous Work in the third watch.

As we get deeper into our searching of the scriptures it becomes even more apparent that God, and sometimes God’s servants frequently utter cryptic statements that have a surface meaning that hides the deeper interpretation… just as we noticed with regard to Mal 3.

Here is another example of a cryptic statement that perhaps has two meanings,

“And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of WISE men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.” (101:80)

Our Sanitized version of the gospel and church history along with the sanitized version of the history of this nation would indicate that many of the founders of our nation including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and others were wise in the sense that they were Godly men of high morals and receiving inspiration from the only true God.

However, I would suggest that there is another definition of “wise” that might be a little more appropriate for those looking beneath the surface… for those looking for hidden treasures of knowledge regarding the origins of our great nation.

Another definition of wise, according to the 1828 Strongs, is

“Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. 2 Samuel 14.”

The Hebrew lexicon provides addition clarity to this particular definition

“shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

Could it possibly be that God involved shrewd, crafty, cunning men to found this nation? Is it possible that he used men that were skilled in arts, science, philosophy and divination?

Is it possible that God allow a combination of both Godly men and ungodly men to create a constitutional foundation that could either become a blessing or a cursing depending upon the cumulative righteousness of the people of this nation and how vigilant they would be in participating in the process and watching out for their God given rights?

You are no doubt aware that George Washington was participating in and highly influenced by masonry and that he and his brethren in the esoteric arts were in fact backed by a secret society that had a secret agenda for America.

What many people don’t realize is that it appears that there were secret societies that were backing many of the founding fathers in their quest to break away from England. This backing very possibly came in the form of both funding and philosophy. The philosophy had to do with the secret worship of Lucifer and the belief that America was a nation destined to bring forth the luciferian anti-Christ embodied in human form at a predetermined time and place.

Benjamin Franklin is known within our sanitized version of American history, among other things, for his great wisdom and morality.

Here is a sample of the cunning wisdom that Franklin displayed in a private communication to a close friend as he opined on the art of fornication,

This transcript is courtesy of the American Philosophical Society and the Yale University Library

June 25. 1745
“My dear Friend,” “I know of no Medicine fit to diminish the violent natural Inclinations you mention; and if I did, I think I should not communicate it to you. “…in all your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones. You call this a Paradox, and demand my Reasons. They are these:
1. Because as they have more Knowledge of the World and their Minds are better stor’d with Observations, their Conversation is more improving and more lastingly agreable.” 2. Because when Women cease to be handsome, they study to be good…. They learn to do a thousand Services small and great, and are the most tender and useful of all Friends when you are sick. 3. Because there is no hazard of Children, which irregularly produc’d may be attended with much Inconvenience. 4. Because thro’ more Experience, they are more prudent and discreet in conducting an Intrigue to prevent Suspicion. The Commerce with them is therefore safer with regard to your Reputation. And with regard to theirs, if the Affair should happen to be known, considerate People might be rather inclin’d to excuse an old Woman who would kindly take care of a young Man, form his Manners by her good Counsels, and prevent his ruining his Health and Fortune among mercenary Prostitutes.” 5… And as in the dark all Cats are grey, the Pleasure of corporal enjoyment with an old Woman is at least equal, and frequently superior, every Knack being by Practice capable of Improvement.6. Because the Sin is less. The debauching a Virgin may be her Ruin, and make her for Life unhappy.7. Because the Compunction is less. The having made a young Girl miserable may give you frequent bitter Reflections; none of which can attend the making an old Woman happy.8. [and Lastly] They are so grateful!!

Thus much for my Paradox. But still I advise you to marry directly;

being sincerely Your affectionate Friend.

B. Franklin

This letter is just one example of how wise and pious Old Ben really was.

It should be a sobering reminder to us of what God meant when he said he raised up “wise” men.

Let us review a little more about this very wise man. The following brief is taken from the same site as the above letter,

“Franklin was appointed the agent of Colonies of Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and New Jersey in 1757, to the court of England. While in this position, he began his friendship with Sir Francis Dashwood (Lord Le Despencer), who was the founder of the Medmenham Monks. This later became known as the Hell Fire Club. Dashwood was at one point the Postmaster of England, at a time when Franklin was Postmaster of the Colonies. They first got to know each other on Franklin’s trip to England in 1752.

In 1765, Franklin was again asked to return to England as the representative of the Colonies to Great Britain. Franklin’s exposure to the Hell Fire Club is described as follows by Cecil B. Currey, in Road to Revolution, Benjamin Franklin in England, 1765-1775:

“… Franklin knew Le Despencer very well. He was fully aware of an enterprise which the Englishman had been conducting for some years more or less surreptitiously, known as the Hell Fire Club. Its activities were familiar to Franklin and he occasionally joined in them… In his youth, Le Despencer had been a member of … rakes’ groups. In later years, … he determined to form a secret society that would express his interest in architecture, literature, and religion. Only the cleverest and most humorous of his friends would be asked to join. … The perfect location for such a society was soon found. Only six miles from the baron’s estate, on the bank of the Thames River near Marlow in Buckinhamshire, lay the ruins of Medmenham Abbey. It had been founded by Cistercian monks in 1145. The abbey was well located in a grove of trees, which nearly concealed it from view. The nearest road was some distance away, but members would be able to approach it easily in private boats… and … could return to their homes in complete privacy. … Workmen were sent in and the abbey was rebuilt and the grounds landscaped … to make them into a `garden of lust.’

Marble pillars were erected on which were carved pornographic inscriptions in bastard, or `macaroni’ Latin. Small Grecian-styled temples were put up here and there. The groves were filled with statuary in indecent poses. … Hollowed from a hill was the Cave of Trophonius. A fresco within it pictured sexually robust animals, a crowing cock, and a laughing nun… The buildings were designed also to carry out the theme of sexuality. … To one side of the main door sat a statue of Harpocrates, the god of silence… Opposite was … Volupian Angerone, goddess of secret passion. Rooms adjacent to the chapel were designed to heighten the sexual utility of the place. There was a Roman Room, its wall hung with paintings copied from ancient and indecent Roman frescoes. Also on the walls were paintings of famous English prostitutes… Small statues of Egyptian gods and goddesses sat in niches in the walls. The abbey’s library was situated near the Roman Room. It supposedly contained one of the most complete collections of pornography in England…

Somewhere between 1752 and 1755, Dashwood … opened his society, known as the Medmenham Monks, and later referred to as the Hell Fire Club. For his monks there was to be a goodly number of nuns… – the main reason many belonged to the club. Most were prostitutes… some were local girls wanting excitement, but many were ladies of society. Of the last group, one of the best known was Lady Mary Wortley Montagu. Many nuns were wives, mothers, sisters, or the betrothed of members… The members, or monks, were `dabblers in art and literature’, and many were among the most prominent men in the kingdom. There were two orders of monks; the superior and the inferior – twelve superiors and perhaps as many as forty to fifty inferior members. …

… superior members included … Lord Sandwich…John Wilkes…Charles Churchill A group with a membership of this scope … could wield tremendous power should they wish to act in unison for political ends. It was for this reason that Benjamin Franklin became a monk … sometime after his arrival in England in 1765. … Sir Francis had a huge and elaborate cave dug in the side of a hill on his grounds. It was in this underground headquarters that the monks met after 1762. …

… Franklin wrote…: ‘The exquisite sense of classical design, charmingly reproduced… whimsical and puzzling as it may be in its imagery, is as evident below the earth as above it.’ … Others known to be present at the time were Lady Mary Wortley Montague, and the household of Frederick, Prince of Wales. …” (Currey)

I am not qualified to pass judgment on any individuals as far as what their current standing is before God nor what their final reward will be nor do I desire to do so, however, we all have a responsibility to avoid setting ANY mortals as our idols and we have a responsibility to scrutinize the works and the teachings and the fruit that they bring forth lest we and our posterity be deceived.

There in now evidence coming forth that suggests that many of the founding fathers were part of an elite group who intended the constitution and bill of rights to exclusively protect their rights and the rights of their posterity and not to the equal rights of all people. This would explain the apparent contradiction in the fact that many of them continued having slaves despite the curious wording in some of the inspired documents they wrote.

Perhaps this is why the Lord admonished the Saints to BEFRIEND the law which is the constitutional law of the land,

“Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land”

The need to befriend the constitutional law implies that there was not currently a friendship between the Saints and the constitutional law of the land at that time.

In section 38 the Lord proclaims “Wherefore, hear my voice and follow me, and you SHALL be a free people, a ye shall have no laws but my laws when I come for I am your lawgiver, ad what can stay my hand?”

If the laws of the land were current friendly towards the saints and if they were currently a free people because of them, why was the Lord telling them that they would be made FREE at a future time by following after him?

Could it be that sinister powers were already controlling the nation back at that time?

The fact that people like Washington, Jefferson and Franklin and most of the Presidents of the United States were involved in secret societies should be a red flag in light of what the book of Mormon and the Book of Moses reveals.

I am not suggesting that all of the founding fathers of this nation were evil. I am not even suggesting that all of the ones involved in masonry were knowingly conspiring in behalf of the dark forces..

Many may have been deceived into their involvement into the secret societies simply believing their involvement would provide them with the connections they needed to promote their agenda.

One of the very few Presidents of the United States that at least sounded the warning voice and gave lip service to the importance of not allowing secret societies and secretiveness to infiltrate government was John F. Kennedy.

Despite the fact that he had loose personal morals, he seemed to understand and appreciate the principles of liberty and he refused to take orders from the Jesuit/Masonic powers that were controlling the currency of the United States.

The following speech he gave, was given just days before that secret organization assassinated him.

The words he spoke were deeply profound.

Kennedy was so hated by the Whore because of his love for freedom and his desire to break free from the various tentacles of the Whore, and Bush Jr. was so loved by the Whore (even though he was not a baptized catholic at the time) that at a Catholic sponsored breakfast, Bush was facetiously referred to as the first Catholic president of the US, blatantly neglecting the fact that Kennedy had served as a US president many years before Bush.

The Whore rejected Kennedy as one of their own and embraced Bush. (Bush has since converted to Catholicism)

I encourage you to listen to this brief talk. It is one of the the greatest speeches ever given by a US president.


The following video might be of interest as well.


The word “wise” is used in two different ways in the scriptures. One must discern by the context and by the spirit which definition is being used.

For instance, notice how it is used in the following passages in section 52,

Yea, a supper of the house of the Lord, well prepared, unto which all nations shall be invited.

“First, the rich and the learned, the wise and the noble;

And after that cometh the day of my power; then shall the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf, come in unto the marriage of the Lamb, and partake of the supper of the Lord, prepared for the great day to come.” (See section 58 and also Isa 25, 34, 39 Ezek 21, Zeph 1)

Two completely different groups of people are being described in the passages above.

The first group comes to the great supper first.

You must do some key word searches to see what really happens when the rich, learned, wise and noble come. Once you realize who they are, you realize that the term “wise” is referring to people who are “Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. These are people who are “shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

After God deals with them and feeds their carcasses to the birds, he then gathers the second group of people unto the marriage of the Lamb.

In recent times several authors such as Dan Brown, Tom Horn and others have begun revealing bits and pieces of truth about the fact that a secret organization was very much involved in the founding of this nation. They had very specific plans for it. those plans have to do with the bringing forth of a kingdom… and it is not the kingdom of the only true God! It is the kingdom of the Devil.

This is why section 38 informed Joseph that the secret combination wanted to destroy the Church of Christ. They wanted to prevent the kingdom of God from rolling forth.

One of the greatest masons produced by America was Albert Pike.

According to internet sources, Albert Pike was a Harvard graduate and was said to be a genius. He was able to read and write in 16 different languages. During his life he was a poet, philosopher, frontiersman, soldier, humanitarian and a philanthropist. In short, he was “Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. He was “shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

He was also a 32 degree Mason and was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Among other things, Albert Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult. It was said that he possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer and had communication with him. Due to his communicating with the devil, Pike received a vision which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini dated August 15, 1871.

Many people dispute the credibility of the supposed vision that he had, however, if it has been fabricated, it seems to have been a pretty lucky guess by someone.

In this letter, Pike describes three world wars that will occur in the future. World War Three pits the christian world against the Muslim World.

Much more could be said in this article to fill in the blanks about what the founding fathers had in mind and how the kingdom of the God of this world is to be ushered in… additionally much more could be said to connect the dots between the relationships between the secret fraternities in England and other foreign countries and those in America during the war with England.

Other dots could be connected between the secret organization in the bowels of the Vatican and the various secret organizations that it controls. More could be said about the secret organizations and witchcraft that have guided the white house and other governing bodies of this nation, as well as the role played by Pike and other Americans, including LDS masons.

But it is really not necessary…. you get the idea.

The thing you need to realize is that in the very near future two separate kingdoms are going to emerge on this earth as they become complete.

One is currently waiting for the missing cornerstone.

The other is currently waiting for the missing capstone."

In Christ. Best wishes...

Fascinating stuff. I've been reading and wondering about this dichotomy for years. This is an excellent job in outlining it. New to me is the idea of: "First, the rich and the learned, the wise and the noble" as opposed to: Second, "the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf". Very intriguing idea, and that JS (via God) picked up on it in his revelations, along with earlier prophets, carries weight.

Then you oppose Benjamin Franklin's apparent involvement in the Hell Fire Club, with John Adams saying: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Or Franklin's 'real sexualitat" (taking off from 'real politic') coupled w/his Hell Fire Club participation, opposed by his suggestion that the way to break up the deadlock in the deliberations of the Constitutional Convention, was to pray to God about what to do:

"We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded; and we ourselves shall become a reproach and by-word down to future ages...I therefore beg leave to move — that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service."

I think Franklin's advice to his friend to focus his immorality on older women, contains a lot of truth . . . if you are 'hell' bent on this kind of activity.

So a lot of mixed messages from some of the founders, not the least of which was Thomas Jefferson, with his expunging anything 'miraculous', etc., out of the New Testament.

As a side note, the Cistercian order of monks was closely related to the Knights Templar back in their heyday, and with its remnants at least into the 15th Century. And the Templars segue into Masonic orders coming into prominence later, in my view, having read a book or two on the subject.

Do you see any of these mixed messages from John Adams, though?

I'm not aware of any from him. Hopefully, he is one of the founders wholly on the righteous side.

[Mamabear]

More on that gospel restoration. After retiring as President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson shared (in a letter to Jared Sparks) his hopes for a restoration of New Testament Christianity: “I hold the precepts of Jesus, as delivered by Himself, to be the most pure, benevolent and sublime, which have ever been preached to man. I adhere to the principles of the first age, and consider all subsequent innovations as corruption of religion, having no foundation in what came from Him….If the freedom of religion guaranteed to us by the law in theory can ever rise in practice….truth will prevail over fanaticism, and the genuine doctrines of Jesus, so long perverted by pseudo-priests, will again be restored to their original purity….but too late for me to witness it” (in Andrew Allison, The Real Thomas Jefferson, 1983, 366).

Jefferson was certain there would be a restoration of the original teachings of Jesus. In 1822 he also wrote to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse that he was “happy in the prospect of a restoration of primitive Christianity” (The Real Thomas Jefferson, 1983, 366). Jefferson died in 1826, just as Joseph Smith’s ministry was beginning.

‘Some say the kingdom of God was not set up on the earth until the day of Pentecost, and that John [the Baptist] did not preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; but I say, in the name of the Lord, that the kingdom of God was set up on the earth from the days of Adam to the present time. Whenever there has been a righteous man on earth unto whom God revealed His word and gave power and authority to administer in His name, and where there is a priest of God—a minister who has power and authority from God to administer in the ordinances of the gospel and officiate in the priesthood of God—there is the kingdom of God… But where these are not, the kingdom of God is not. All the ordinances, systems, and administrations on the earth are of no use to the children of men, unless they are ordained and authorized of God’ [History of the Church, 5:256-259; Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, 82-84].

The Father and the Son revealed themselves to Joseph Smith “as personally as Jesus did to his apostles anciently…and made known unto him these heavenly truths by which alone mankind can be saved” (President Lorenzo Snow, Deseret News, 31 Jan. 1877, 834). Those truths, President David O. McKay testified, “are the surest, safest guide to mortal man” (Man May Know for Himself: Teachings of President David O. McKay, 1967, 383).

Isaiah foresaw that these restored truths, and the Church of Jesus Christ revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith, would metaphorically begin as a small tent (see 3 Nephi 22:2), but would continue to roll forward and thrive until one day it would become a magnificent palace—“established in righteousness” (see 3 Nephi 22:11-14). The Prophet Joseph laid the foundation and, by revelation, gave us the blueprint, but it’s up to us to follow living apostles and prophets to finish and polish up the work. As President John Taylor said: “We have got this kingdom to build up; and it is not a phantom, but a reality. We have to do it, God expects it at our hands” (Journal of Discourses, 21:8).

From the moment the First Vision occurred, the Prophet Joseph became “the personal representative of Jesus Christ.…His agent whom He chose, ordained and set apart to lay anew the foundations of the Church of God in the world, which is indeed the Church of Jesus Christ, possessing all the powers of the gospel, all the rites and privileges, the authority of the Holy Priesthood, and every principle necessary to fit and qualify both the living and the dead to inherit eternal life, and to attain to exaltation in the kingdom of God” (Joseph F. Smith, Gospel Doctrine, 1939, 134).

And, as Joseph himself testified just a few weeks before his martyrdom, he “was chosen [to be]… the last and greatest prophet to lay the foundation of God’s work of the seventh dispensation” (May 12, 1844, in The Words of Joseph Smith, Ehat and Cook, 1980, 370).

He didn’t choose himself. He was chosen by God. As President Gordon B. Hinckley observed, “He was the instrument in the hands of the Almighty. He was the servant acting under the direction of the Lord Jesus Christ in bringing to pass this great latter-day work. We stand in reverence before him. He is the great prophet of this dispensation. He stands at the head of this great and mighty work, which is spreading across the earth. He is our prophet, our revelator, our seer, our friend. Let us not forget him. Let not his memory be forgotten… God be thanked for the Prophet Joseph” (“A Season for Gratitude,” Ensign, Dec. 1997, 2).

“[Thus] the ‘Gospel’ is as old as the first man upon this earth. It has been here in dispensations. There has been the power to teach men the way to live, ever since the beginning of man upon this earth, else what Napoleon says would be true(he said the true gospel would have been on the earth from the beginning) in this case, as it is of every other church which has no claim upon such antiquity” (“The Glory of God is Intelligence,” Elder Harold B. Lee, CES Summer School at BYU, 1954)

Please consider the following:
The Secret Brotherhood of the Founding Fathers of this Nation by One Who Is Watching at https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/

"One of the main purposes for this part of this series is to focus on the role that the false covenant plays in prophecy and specifically, in America.

We are going to address the implications of this secret combination at the time of the founding of this nation, at the time of the LDS foundation movement and at the time of the ushering in of the Marvelous Work in the third watch.

As we get deeper into our searching of the scriptures it becomes even more apparent that God, and sometimes God’s servants frequently utter cryptic statements that have a surface meaning that hides the deeper interpretation… just as we noticed with regard to Mal 3.

Here is another example of a cryptic statement that perhaps has two meanings,

“And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of WISE men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.” (101:80)

Our Sanitized version of the gospel and church history along with the sanitized version of the history of this nation would indicate that many of the founders of our nation including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and others were wise in the sense that they were Godly men of high morals and receiving inspiration from the only true God.

However, I would suggest that there is another definition of “wise” that might be a little more appropriate for those looking beneath the surface… for those looking for hidden treasures of knowledge regarding the origins of our great nation.

Another definition of wise, according to the 1828 Strongs, is

“Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. 2 Samuel 14.”

The Hebrew lexicon provides addition clarity to this particular definition

“shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

Could it possibly be that God involved shrewd, crafty, cunning men to found this nation? Is it possible that he used men that were skilled in arts, science, philosophy and divination?

Is it possible that God allow a combination of both Godly men and ungodly men to create a constitutional foundation that could either become a blessing or a cursing depending upon the cumulative righteousness of the people of this nation and how vigilant they would be in participating in the process and watching out for their God given rights?

You are no doubt aware that George Washington was participating in and highly influenced by masonry and that he and his brethren in the esoteric arts were in fact backed by a secret society that had a secret agenda for America.

What many people don’t realize is that it appears that there were secret societies that were backing many of the founding fathers in their quest to break away from England. This backing very possibly came in the form of both funding and philosophy. The philosophy had to do with the secret worship of Lucifer and the belief that America was a nation destined to bring forth the luciferian anti-Christ embodied in human form at a predetermined time and place.

Benjamin Franklin is known within our sanitized version of American history, among other things, for his great wisdom and morality.

Here is a sample of the cunning wisdom that Franklin displayed in a private communication to a close friend as he opined on the art of fornication,

This transcript is courtesy of the American Philosophical Society and the Yale University Library

June 25. 1745
“My dear Friend,” “I know of no Medicine fit to diminish the violent natural Inclinations you mention; and if I did, I think I should not communicate it to you. “…in all your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones. You call this a Paradox, and demand my Reasons. They are these:
1. Because as they have more Knowledge of the World and their Minds are better stor’d with Observations, their Conversation is more improving and more lastingly agreable.” 2. Because when Women cease to be handsome, they study to be good…. They learn to do a thousand Services small and great, and are the most tender and useful of all Friends when you are sick. 3. Because there is no hazard of Children, which irregularly produc’d may be attended with much Inconvenience. 4. Because thro’ more Experience, they are more prudent and discreet in conducting an Intrigue to prevent Suspicion. The Commerce with them is therefore safer with regard to your Reputation. And with regard to theirs, if the Affair should happen to be known, considerate People might be rather inclin’d to excuse an old Woman who would kindly take care of a young Man, form his Manners by her good Counsels, and prevent his ruining his Health and Fortune among mercenary Prostitutes.” 5… And as in the dark all Cats are grey, the Pleasure of corporal enjoyment with an old Woman is at least equal, and frequently superior, every Knack being by Practice capable of Improvement.6. Because the Sin is less. The debauching a Virgin may be her Ruin, and make her for Life unhappy.7. Because the Compunction is less. The having made a young Girl miserable may give you frequent bitter Reflections; none of which can attend the making an old Woman happy.8. [and Lastly] They are so grateful!!

Thus much for my Paradox. But still I advise you to marry directly;

being sincerely Your affectionate Friend.

B. Franklin

This letter is just one example of how wise and pious Old Ben really was.

It should be a sobering reminder to us of what God meant when he said he raised up “wise” men.

Let us review a little more about this very wise man. The following brief is taken from the same site as the above letter,

“Franklin was appointed the agent of Colonies of Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and New Jersey in 1757, to the court of England. While in this position, he began his friendship with Sir Francis Dashwood (Lord Le Despencer), who was the founder of the Medmenham Monks. This later became known as the Hell Fire Club. Dashwood was at one point the Postmaster of England, at a time when Franklin was Postmaster of the Colonies. They first got to know each other on Franklin’s trip to England in 1752.

In 1765, Franklin was again asked to return to England as the representative of the Colonies to Great Britain. Franklin’s exposure to the Hell Fire Club is described as follows by Cecil B. Currey, in Road to Revolution, Benjamin Franklin in England, 1765-1775:

“… Franklin knew Le Despencer very well. He was fully aware of an enterprise which the Englishman had been conducting for some years more or less surreptitiously, known as the Hell Fire Club. Its activities were familiar to Franklin and he occasionally joined in them… In his youth, Le Despencer had been a member of … rakes’ groups. In later years, … he determined to form a secret society that would express his interest in architecture, literature, and religion. Only the cleverest and most humorous of his friends would be asked to join. … The perfect location for such a society was soon found. Only six miles from the baron’s estate, on the bank of the Thames River near Marlow in Buckinhamshire, lay the ruins of Medmenham Abbey. It had been founded by Cistercian monks in 1145. The abbey was well located in a grove of trees, which nearly concealed it from view. The nearest road was some distance away, but members would be able to approach it easily in private boats… and … could return to their homes in complete privacy. … Workmen were sent in and the abbey was rebuilt and the grounds landscaped … to make them into a `garden of lust.’

Marble pillars were erected on which were carved pornographic inscriptions in bastard, or `macaroni’ Latin. Small Grecian-styled temples were put up here and there. The groves were filled with statuary in indecent poses. … Hollowed from a hill was the Cave of Trophonius. A fresco within it pictured sexually robust animals, a crowing cock, and a laughing nun… The buildings were designed also to carry out the theme of sexuality. … To one side of the main door sat a statue of Harpocrates, the god of silence… Opposite was … Volupian Angerone, goddess of secret passion. Rooms adjacent to the chapel were designed to heighten the sexual utility of the place. There was a Roman Room, its wall hung with paintings copied from ancient and indecent Roman frescoes. Also on the walls were paintings of famous English prostitutes… Small statues of Egyptian gods and goddesses sat in niches in the walls. The abbey’s library was situated near the Roman Room. It supposedly contained one of the most complete collections of pornography in England…

Somewhere between 1752 and 1755, Dashwood … opened his society, known as the Medmenham Monks, and later referred to as the Hell Fire Club. For his monks there was to be a goodly number of nuns… – the main reason many belonged to the club. Most were prostitutes… some were local girls wanting excitement, but many were ladies of society. Of the last group, one of the best known was Lady Mary Wortley Montagu. Many nuns were wives, mothers, sisters, or the betrothed of members… The members, or monks, were `dabblers in art and literature’, and many were among the most prominent men in the kingdom. There were two orders of monks; the superior and the inferior – twelve superiors and perhaps as many as forty to fifty inferior members. …

… superior members included … Lord Sandwich…John Wilkes…Charles Churchill A group with a membership of this scope … could wield tremendous power should they wish to act in unison for political ends. It was for this reason that Benjamin Franklin became a monk … sometime after his arrival in England in 1765. … Sir Francis had a huge and elaborate cave dug in the side of a hill on his grounds. It was in this underground headquarters that the monks met after 1762. …

… Franklin wrote…: ‘The exquisite sense of classical design, charmingly reproduced… whimsical and puzzling as it may be in its imagery, is as evident below the earth as above it.’ … Others known to be present at the time were Lady Mary Wortley Montague, and the household of Frederick, Prince of Wales. …” (Currey)

I am not qualified to pass judgment on any individuals as far as what their current standing is before God nor what their final reward will be nor do I desire to do so, however, we all have a responsibility to avoid setting ANY mortals as our idols and we have a responsibility to scrutinize the works and the teachings and the fruit that they bring forth lest we and our posterity be deceived.

There in now evidence coming forth that suggests that many of the founding fathers were part of an elite group who intended the constitution and bill of rights to exclusively protect their rights and the rights of their posterity and not to the equal rights of all people. This would explain the apparent contradiction in the fact that many of them continued having slaves despite the curious wording in some of the inspired documents they wrote.

Perhaps this is why the Lord admonished the Saints to BEFRIEND the law which is the constitutional law of the land,

“Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land”

The need to befriend the constitutional law implies that there was not currently a friendship between the Saints and the constitutional law of the land at that time.

In section 38 the Lord proclaims “Wherefore, hear my voice and follow me, and you SHALL be a free people, a ye shall have no laws but my laws when I come for I am your lawgiver, ad what can stay my hand?”

If the laws of the land were current friendly towards the saints and if they were currently a free people because of them, why was the Lord telling them that they would be made FREE at a future time by following after him?

Could it be that sinister powers were already controlling the nation back at that time?

The fact that people like Washington, Jefferson and Franklin and most of the Presidents of the United States were involved in secret societies should be a red flag in light of what the book of Mormon and the Book of Moses reveals.

I am not suggesting that all of the founding fathers of this nation were evil. I am not even suggesting that all of the ones involved in masonry were knowingly conspiring in behalf of the dark forces..

Many may have been deceived into their involvement into the secret societies simply believing their involvement would provide them with the connections they needed to promote their agenda.

One of the very few Presidents of the United States that at least sounded the warning voice and gave lip service to the importance of not allowing secret societies and secretiveness to infiltrate government was John F. Kennedy.

Despite the fact that he had loose personal morals, he seemed to understand and appreciate the principles of liberty and he refused to take orders from the Jesuit/Masonic powers that were controlling the currency of the United States.

The following speech he gave, was given just days before that secret organization assassinated him.

The words he spoke were deeply profound.

Kennedy was so hated by the Whore because of his love for freedom and his desire to break free from the various tentacles of the Whore, and Bush Jr. was so loved by the Whore (even though he was not a baptized catholic at the time) that at a Catholic sponsored breakfast, Bush was facetiously referred to as the first Catholic president of the US, blatantly neglecting the fact that Kennedy had served as a US president many years before Bush.

The Whore rejected Kennedy as one of their own and embraced Bush. (Bush has since converted to Catholicism)

I encourage you to listen to this brief talk. It is one of the the greatest speeches ever given by a US president.


The following video might be of interest as well.


The word “wise” is used in two different ways in the scriptures. One must discern by the context and by the spirit which definition is being used.

For instance, notice how it is used in the following passages in section 52,

Yea, a supper of the house of the Lord, well prepared, unto which all nations shall be invited.

“First, the rich and the learned, the wise and the noble;

And after that cometh the day of my power; then shall the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf, come in unto the marriage of the Lamb, and partake of the supper of the Lord, prepared for the great day to come.” (See section 58 and also Isa 25, 34, 39 Ezek 21, Zeph 1)

Two completely different groups of people are being described in the passages above.

The first group comes to the great supper first.

You must do some key word searches to see what really happens when the rich, learned, wise and noble come. Once you realize who they are, you realize that the term “wise” is referring to people who are “Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. These are people who are “shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

After God deals with them and feeds their carcasses to the birds, he then gathers the second group of people unto the marriage of the Lamb.

In recent times several authors such as Dan Brown, Tom Horn and others have begun revealing bits and pieces of truth about the fact that a secret organization was very much involved in the founding of this nation. They had very specific plans for it. those plans have to do with the bringing forth of a kingdom… and it is not the kingdom of the only true God! It is the kingdom of the Devil.

This is why section 38 informed Joseph that the secret combination wanted to destroy the Church of Christ. They wanted to prevent the kingdom of God from rolling forth.

One of the greatest masons produced by America was Albert Pike.

According to internet sources, Albert Pike was a Harvard graduate and was said to be a genius. He was able to read and write in 16 different languages. During his life he was a poet, philosopher, frontiersman, soldier, humanitarian and a philanthropist. In short, he was “Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. He was “shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

He was also a 32 degree Mason and was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Among other things, Albert Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult. It was said that he possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer and had communication with him. Due to his communicating with the devil, Pike received a vision which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini dated August 15, 1871.

Many people dispute the credibility of the supposed vision that he had, however, if it has been fabricated, it seems to have been a pretty lucky guess by someone.

In this letter, Pike describes three world wars that will occur in the future. World War Three pits the christian world against the Muslim World.

Much more could be said in this article to fill in the blanks about what the founding fathers had in mind and how the kingdom of the God of this world is to be ushered in… additionally much more could be said to connect the dots between the relationships between the secret fraternities in England and other foreign countries and those in America during the war with England.

Other dots could be connected between the secret organization in the bowels of the Vatican and the various secret organizations that it controls. More could be said about the secret organizations and witchcraft that have guided the white house and other governing bodies of this nation, as well as the role played by Pike and other Americans, including LDS masons.

But it is really not necessary…. you get the idea.

The thing you need to realize is that in the very near future two separate kingdoms are going to emerge on this earth as they become complete.

One is currently waiting for the missing cornerstone.

The other is currently waiting for the missing capstone."

In Christ. Best wishes...

It’s funny to me how everyone assumes Joseph was killed because of polygamy, but very few think it could possibly be because he revealed some of the signs and tokens from freemasonry as contained in the temple endowment. They most likely killed him off like they did with William Morgan for revealing things as well.
He betrayed the brotherhood and put their secrets into a religion. Something they did not want.
Just think……a religion based off of freemasonry and nobody realizes it and people think they will be exalted for knowing these secrets.
https://thegoldwater.com/news/30625-The ... nd-Mormons

[kirtland r.m.]

More on that gospel restoration. After retiring as President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson shared (in a letter to Jared Sparks) his hopes for a restoration of New Testament Christianity: “I hold the precepts of Jesus, as delivered by Himself, to be the most pure, benevolent and sublime, which have ever been preached to man. I adhere to the principles of the first age, and consider all subsequent innovations as corruption of religion, having no foundation in what came from Him….If the freedom of religion guaranteed to us by the law in theory can ever rise in practice….truth will prevail over fanaticism, and the genuine doctrines of Jesus, so long perverted by pseudo-priests, will again be restored to their original purity….but too late for me to witness it” (in Andrew Allison, The Real Thomas Jefferson, 1983, 366).

Jefferson was certain there would be a restoration of the original teachings of Jesus. In 1822 he also wrote to Dr. Benjamin Waterhouse that he was “happy in the prospect of a restoration of primitive Christianity” (The Real Thomas Jefferson, 1983, 366). Jefferson died in 1826, just as Joseph Smith’s ministry was beginning.

‘Some say the kingdom of God was not set up on the earth until the day of Pentecost, and that John [the Baptist] did not preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; but I say, in the name of the Lord, that the kingdom of God was set up on the earth from the days of Adam to the present time. Whenever there has been a righteous man on earth unto whom God revealed His word and gave power and authority to administer in His name, and where there is a priest of God—a minister who has power and authority from God to administer in the ordinances of the gospel and officiate in the priesthood of God—there is the kingdom of God… But where these are not, the kingdom of God is not. All the ordinances, systems, and administrations on the earth are of no use to the children of men, unless they are ordained and authorized of God’ [History of the Church, 5:256-259; Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, 82-84].

The Father and the Son revealed themselves to Joseph Smith “as personally as Jesus did to his apostles anciently…and made known unto him these heavenly truths by which alone mankind can be saved” (President Lorenzo Snow, Deseret News, 31 Jan. 1877, 834). Those truths, President David O. McKay testified, “are the surest, safest guide to mortal man” (Man May Know for Himself: Teachings of President David O. McKay, 1967, 383).

Isaiah foresaw that these restored truths, and the Church of Jesus Christ revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith, would metaphorically begin as a small tent (see 3 Nephi 22:2), but would continue to roll forward and thrive until one day it would become a magnificent palace—“established in righteousness” (see 3 Nephi 22:11-14). The Prophet Joseph laid the foundation and, by revelation, gave us the blueprint, but it’s up to us to follow living apostles and prophets to finish and polish up the work. As President John Taylor said: “We have got this kingdom to build up; and it is not a phantom, but a reality. We have to do it, God expects it at our hands” (Journal of Discourses, 21:8).

From the moment the First Vision occurred, the Prophet Joseph became “the personal representative of Jesus Christ.…His agent whom He chose, ordained and set apart to lay anew the foundations of the Church of God in the world, which is indeed the Church of Jesus Christ, possessing all the powers of the gospel, all the rites and privileges, the authority of the Holy Priesthood, and every principle necessary to fit and qualify both the living and the dead to inherit eternal life, and to attain to exaltation in the kingdom of God” (Joseph F. Smith, Gospel Doctrine, 1939, 134).

And, as Joseph himself testified just a few weeks before his martyrdom, he “was chosen [to be]… the last and greatest prophet to lay the foundation of God’s work of the seventh dispensation” (May 12, 1844, in The Words of Joseph Smith, Ehat and Cook, 1980, 370).

He didn’t choose himself. He was chosen by God. As President Gordon B. Hinckley observed, “He was the instrument in the hands of the Almighty. He was the servant acting under the direction of the Lord Jesus Christ in bringing to pass this great latter-day work. We stand in reverence before him. He is the great prophet of this dispensation. He stands at the head of this great and mighty work, which is spreading across the earth. He is our prophet, our revelator, our seer, our friend. Let us not forget him. Let not his memory be forgotten… God be thanked for the Prophet Joseph” (“A Season for Gratitude,” Ensign, Dec. 1997, 2).

“[Thus] the ‘Gospel’ is as old as the first man upon this earth. It has been here in dispensations. There has been the power to teach men the way to live, ever since the beginning of man upon this earth, else what Napoleon says would be true(he said the true gospel would have been on the earth from the beginning) in this case, as it is of every other church which has no claim upon such antiquity” (“The Glory of God is Intelligence,” Elder Harold B. Lee, CES Summer School at BYU, 1954)

Please consider the following:
The Secret Brotherhood of the Founding Fathers of this Nation by One Who Is Watching at https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/

"One of the main purposes for this part of this series is to focus on the role that the false covenant plays in prophecy and specifically, in America.

We are going to address the implications of this secret combination at the time of the founding of this nation, at the time of the LDS foundation movement and at the time of the ushering in of the Marvelous Work in the third watch.

As we get deeper into our searching of the scriptures it becomes even more apparent that God, and sometimes God’s servants frequently utter cryptic statements that have a surface meaning that hides the deeper interpretation… just as we noticed with regard to Mal 3.

Here is another example of a cryptic statement that perhaps has two meanings,

“And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of WISE men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.” (101:80)

Our Sanitized version of the gospel and church history along with the sanitized version of the history of this nation would indicate that many of the founders of our nation including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and others were wise in the sense that they were Godly men of high morals and receiving inspiration from the only true God.

However, I would suggest that there is another definition of “wise” that might be a little more appropriate for those looking beneath the surface… for those looking for hidden treasures of knowledge regarding the origins of our great nation.

Another definition of wise, according to the 1828 Strongs, is

“Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. 2 Samuel 14.”

The Hebrew lexicon provides addition clarity to this particular definition

“shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

Could it possibly be that God involved shrewd, crafty, cunning men to found this nation? Is it possible that he used men that were skilled in arts, science, philosophy and divination?

Is it possible that God allow a combination of both Godly men and ungodly men to create a constitutional foundation that could either become a blessing or a cursing depending upon the cumulative righteousness of the people of this nation and how vigilant they would be in participating in the process and watching out for their God given rights?

You are no doubt aware that George Washington was participating in and highly influenced by masonry and that he and his brethren in the esoteric arts were in fact backed by a secret society that had a secret agenda for America.

What many people don’t realize is that it appears that there were secret societies that were backing many of the founding fathers in their quest to break away from England. This backing very possibly came in the form of both funding and philosophy. The philosophy had to do with the secret worship of Lucifer and the belief that America was a nation destined to bring forth the luciferian anti-Christ embodied in human form at a predetermined time and place.

Benjamin Franklin is known within our sanitized version of American history, among other things, for his great wisdom and morality.

Here is a sample of the cunning wisdom that Franklin displayed in a private communication to a close friend as he opined on the art of fornication,

This transcript is courtesy of the American Philosophical Society and the Yale University Library

June 25. 1745
“My dear Friend,” “I know of no Medicine fit to diminish the violent natural Inclinations you mention; and if I did, I think I should not communicate it to you. “…in all your Amours you should prefer old Women to young ones. You call this a Paradox, and demand my Reasons. They are these:
1. Because as they have more Knowledge of the World and their Minds are better stor’d with Observations, their Conversation is more improving and more lastingly agreable.” 2. Because when Women cease to be handsome, they study to be good…. They learn to do a thousand Services small and great, and are the most tender and useful of all Friends when you are sick. 3. Because there is no hazard of Children, which irregularly produc’d may be attended with much Inconvenience. 4. Because thro’ more Experience, they are more prudent and discreet in conducting an Intrigue to prevent Suspicion. The Commerce with them is therefore safer with regard to your Reputation. And with regard to theirs, if the Affair should happen to be known, considerate People might be rather inclin’d to excuse an old Woman who would kindly take care of a young Man, form his Manners by her good Counsels, and prevent his ruining his Health and Fortune among mercenary Prostitutes.” 5… And as in the dark all Cats are grey, the Pleasure of corporal enjoyment with an old Woman is at least equal, and frequently superior, every Knack being by Practice capable of Improvement.6. Because the Sin is less. The debauching a Virgin may be her Ruin, and make her for Life unhappy.7. Because the Compunction is less. The having made a young Girl miserable may give you frequent bitter Reflections; none of which can attend the making an old Woman happy.8. [and Lastly] They are so grateful!!

Thus much for my Paradox. But still I advise you to marry directly;

being sincerely Your affectionate Friend.

B. Franklin

This letter is just one example of how wise and pious Old Ben really was.

It should be a sobering reminder to us of what God meant when he said he raised up “wise” men.

Let us review a little more about this very wise man. The following brief is taken from the same site as the above letter,

“Franklin was appointed the agent of Colonies of Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, and New Jersey in 1757, to the court of England. While in this position, he began his friendship with Sir Francis Dashwood (Lord Le Despencer), who was the founder of the Medmenham Monks. This later became known as the Hell Fire Club. Dashwood was at one point the Postmaster of England, at a time when Franklin was Postmaster of the Colonies. They first got to know each other on Franklin’s trip to England in 1752.

In 1765, Franklin was again asked to return to England as the representative of the Colonies to Great Britain. Franklin’s exposure to the Hell Fire Club is described as follows by Cecil B. Currey, in Road to Revolution, Benjamin Franklin in England, 1765-1775:

“… Franklin knew Le Despencer very well. He was fully aware of an enterprise which the Englishman had been conducting for some years more or less surreptitiously, known as the Hell Fire Club. Its activities were familiar to Franklin and he occasionally joined in them… In his youth, Le Despencer had been a member of … rakes’ groups. In later years, … he determined to form a secret society that would express his interest in architecture, literature, and religion. Only the cleverest and most humorous of his friends would be asked to join. … The perfect location for such a society was soon found. Only six miles from the baron’s estate, on the bank of the Thames River near Marlow in Buckinhamshire, lay the ruins of Medmenham Abbey. It had been founded by Cistercian monks in 1145. The abbey was well located in a grove of trees, which nearly concealed it from view. The nearest road was some distance away, but members would be able to approach it easily in private boats… and … could return to their homes in complete privacy. … Workmen were sent in and the abbey was rebuilt and the grounds landscaped … to make them into a `garden of lust.’

Marble pillars were erected on which were carved pornographic inscriptions in bastard, or `macaroni’ Latin. Small Grecian-styled temples were put up here and there. The groves were filled with statuary in indecent poses. … Hollowed from a hill was the Cave of Trophonius. A fresco within it pictured sexually robust animals, a crowing cock, and a laughing nun… The buildings were designed also to carry out the theme of sexuality. … To one side of the main door sat a statue of Harpocrates, the god of silence… Opposite was … Volupian Angerone, goddess of secret passion. Rooms adjacent to the chapel were designed to heighten the sexual utility of the place. There was a Roman Room, its wall hung with paintings copied from ancient and indecent Roman frescoes. Also on the walls were paintings of famous English prostitutes… Small statues of Egyptian gods and goddesses sat in niches in the walls. The abbey’s library was situated near the Roman Room. It supposedly contained one of the most complete collections of pornography in England…

Somewhere between 1752 and 1755, Dashwood … opened his society, known as the Medmenham Monks, and later referred to as the Hell Fire Club. For his monks there was to be a goodly number of nuns… – the main reason many belonged to the club. Most were prostitutes… some were local girls wanting excitement, but many were ladies of society. Of the last group, one of the best known was Lady Mary Wortley Montagu. Many nuns were wives, mothers, sisters, or the betrothed of members… The members, or monks, were `dabblers in art and literature’, and many were among the most prominent men in the kingdom. There were two orders of monks; the superior and the inferior – twelve superiors and perhaps as many as forty to fifty inferior members. …

… superior members included … Lord Sandwich…John Wilkes…Charles Churchill A group with a membership of this scope … could wield tremendous power should they wish to act in unison for political ends. It was for this reason that Benjamin Franklin became a monk … sometime after his arrival in England in 1765. … Sir Francis had a huge and elaborate cave dug in the side of a hill on his grounds. It was in this underground headquarters that the monks met after 1762. …

… Franklin wrote…: ‘The exquisite sense of classical design, charmingly reproduced… whimsical and puzzling as it may be in its imagery, is as evident below the earth as above it.’ … Others known to be present at the time were Lady Mary Wortley Montague, and the household of Frederick, Prince of Wales. …” (Currey)

I am not qualified to pass judgment on any individuals as far as what their current standing is before God nor what their final reward will be nor do I desire to do so, however, we all have a responsibility to avoid setting ANY mortals as our idols and we have a responsibility to scrutinize the works and the teachings and the fruit that they bring forth lest we and our posterity be deceived.

There in now evidence coming forth that suggests that many of the founding fathers were part of an elite group who intended the constitution and bill of rights to exclusively protect their rights and the rights of their posterity and not to the equal rights of all people. This would explain the apparent contradiction in the fact that many of them continued having slaves despite the curious wording in some of the inspired documents they wrote.

Perhaps this is why the Lord admonished the Saints to BEFRIEND the law which is the constitutional law of the land,

“Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land”

The need to befriend the constitutional law implies that there was not currently a friendship between the Saints and the constitutional law of the land at that time.

In section 38 the Lord proclaims “Wherefore, hear my voice and follow me, and you SHALL be a free people, a ye shall have no laws but my laws when I come for I am your lawgiver, ad what can stay my hand?”

If the laws of the land were current friendly towards the saints and if they were currently a free people because of them, why was the Lord telling them that they would be made FREE at a future time by following after him?

Could it be that sinister powers were already controlling the nation back at that time?

The fact that people like Washington, Jefferson and Franklin and most of the Presidents of the United States were involved in secret societies should be a red flag in light of what the book of Mormon and the Book of Moses reveals.

I am not suggesting that all of the founding fathers of this nation were evil. I am not even suggesting that all of the ones involved in masonry were knowingly conspiring in behalf of the dark forces..

Many may have been deceived into their involvement into the secret societies simply believing their involvement would provide them with the connections they needed to promote their agenda.

One of the very few Presidents of the United States that at least sounded the warning voice and gave lip service to the importance of not allowing secret societies and secretiveness to infiltrate government was John F. Kennedy.

Despite the fact that he had loose personal morals, he seemed to understand and appreciate the principles of liberty and he refused to take orders from the Jesuit/Masonic powers that were controlling the currency of the United States.

The following speech he gave, was given just days before that secret organization assassinated him.

The words he spoke were deeply profound.

Kennedy was so hated by the Whore because of his love for freedom and his desire to break free from the various tentacles of the Whore, and Bush Jr. was so loved by the Whore (even though he was not a baptized catholic at the time) that at a Catholic sponsored breakfast, Bush was facetiously referred to as the first Catholic president of the US, blatantly neglecting the fact that Kennedy had served as a US president many years before Bush.

The Whore rejected Kennedy as one of their own and embraced Bush. (Bush has since converted to Catholicism)

I encourage you to listen to this brief talk. It is one of the the greatest speeches ever given by a US president.


The following video might be of interest as well.


The word “wise” is used in two different ways in the scriptures. One must discern by the context and by the spirit which definition is being used.

For instance, notice how it is used in the following passages in section 52,

Yea, a supper of the house of the Lord, well prepared, unto which all nations shall be invited.

“First, the rich and the learned, the wise and the noble;

And after that cometh the day of my power; then shall the poor, the lame, and the blind, and the deaf, come in unto the marriage of the Lamb, and partake of the supper of the Lord, prepared for the great day to come.” (See section 58 and also Isa 25, 34, 39 Ezek 21, Zeph 1)

Two completely different groups of people are being described in the passages above.

The first group comes to the great supper first.

You must do some key word searches to see what really happens when the rich, learned, wise and noble come. Once you realize who they are, you realize that the term “wise” is referring to people who are “Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. These are people who are “shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

After God deals with them and feeds their carcasses to the birds, he then gathers the second group of people unto the marriage of the Lamb.

In recent times several authors such as Dan Brown, Tom Horn and others have begun revealing bits and pieces of truth about the fact that a secret organization was very much involved in the founding of this nation. They had very specific plans for it. those plans have to do with the bringing forth of a kingdom… and it is not the kingdom of the only true God! It is the kingdom of the Devil.

This is why section 38 informed Joseph that the secret combination wanted to destroy the Church of Christ. They wanted to prevent the kingdom of God from rolling forth.

One of the greatest masons produced by America was Albert Pike.

According to internet sources, Albert Pike was a Harvard graduate and was said to be a genius. He was able to read and write in 16 different languages. During his life he was a poet, philosopher, frontiersman, soldier, humanitarian and a philanthropist. In short, he was “Skilled in arts, science, philosophy, or in magic and divination. He was “shrewd, crafty, cunning, wily, subtle“.

He was also a 32 degree Mason and was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Among other things, Albert Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult. It was said that he possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer and had communication with him. Due to his communicating with the devil, Pike received a vision which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini dated August 15, 1871.

Many people dispute the credibility of the supposed vision that he had, however, if it has been fabricated, it seems to have been a pretty lucky guess by someone.

In this letter, Pike describes three world wars that will occur in the future. World War Three pits the christian world against the Muslim World.

Much more could be said in this article to fill in the blanks about what the founding fathers had in mind and how the kingdom of the God of this world is to be ushered in… additionally much more could be said to connect the dots between the relationships between the secret fraternities in England and other foreign countries and those in America during the war with England.

Other dots could be connected between the secret organization in the bowels of the Vatican and the various secret organizations that it controls. More could be said about the secret organizations and witchcraft that have guided the white house and other governing bodies of this nation, as well as the role played by Pike and other Americans, including LDS masons.

But it is really not necessary…. you get the idea.

The thing you need to realize is that in the very near future two separate kingdoms are going to emerge on this earth as they become complete.

One is currently waiting for the missing cornerstone.

The other is currently waiting for the missing capstone."

In Christ. Best wishes...

It’s funny to me how everyone assumes Joseph was killed because of polygamy, but very few think it could possibly be because he revealed some of the signs and tokens from freemasonry as contained in the temple endowment. They most likely killed him off like they did with William Morgan for revealing things as well.
He betrayed the brotherhood and put their secrets into a religion. Something they did not want.
Just think……a religion based off of freemasonry and nobody realizes it and people think they will be exalted for knowing these secrets.
https://thegoldwater.com/news/30625-The ... nd-Mormons

I have put up some posts on ancient information including evidence on the endowment, as well as the fake Egyptian endowment, and more. Here is some info. I haven't posted before.

“Some people reason that Joseph Smith initiated men and women into the endowment ordinances after he was initiated into Freemasonry; therefore, the temple rituals derived from Masonry. One problem in this theory is that Freemasonry itself borrowed much of its ritual and ceremony from elements preserved since antiquity,” Harper explains in his essay “Freemasonry and the LDS Temple Endowment,” as found in A Reason for Faith.

Willard Richards (16 March 1842): “Masonry had its origin in the Priesthood. A hint to the wise is sufficient.”

Heber C. Kimball (17 June 1842):“ There is a similarity of priesthood in Masonry. Brother Joseph [Smith] says Masonry was taken from priesthood.”

Benjamin F. Johnson (1843): Joseph Smith “told me Freemasonry, as at present, was the apostate endowments, as sectarian religion was the apostate religion.”

Joseph Fielding (December 1843): The Latter-day Saint temple ordinances are “the true origin of Masonry.”

Heber C. Kimball (9 November 1858): “The Masonry of today is received from the apostasy. . . . They have now and then a thing that is correct, but we have the real thing.”

Latter-day Saints and Masons: 5 fascinating connectionshttps://www.ldsliving.com/latter-day-sa ... ns/s/80329

Furthermore, there is some good evidence that Jesus taught endowment information to his apostles during the forty day period he spent on the earth after his resurrection. That information is in past postings I have done on this forum.