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The Fate of Moses Jacob Ezekiel and His Memorial to the Confederate Dead
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Just a few years ago, a monument to post-Civil War peace and reconciliation sculpted by one of America’s most gifted Jewish artists was universally acclaimed. Now a woke military commission and left-wing activists plan to destroy it.

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Simpletons think the war was only about slavery.

It wasn't.

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David13 wrote: November 29th, 2022, 8:57 am Simpletons think the war was only about slavery.

It wasn't.

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It still kind of was, though.

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David13 wrote: November 29th, 2022, 8:57 am Simpletons think the war was only about slavery.

It wasn't.
I've always understood it mainly within the context of state vs federal power.

Even the Simpsons had a joke about this. Apu gets asked about this for his citizenship test, and comes out with a complex answer to which Homer replies, "Just say slavery." (He also says the thirteen stripes on the US flag are for luck. :D )

The slavery argument also falls down on the fact that:
* The majority of white southerners did NOT own slaves.
* Some northerners supported slavery, partly for economic reasons.
*.The South freed some slaves before the war's end.

The federal government had degrees of segregation in the US military for decades afterwards.

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I heard Glenn Beck was putting together some kind of project to help preserve monuments and great art. He was trying to put together funds for a park or something of the sort in TX where these treasures could be relocated too. I don't know if it is still ongoing, but there was a lot of buzz about it during the Portland and Seattle riots a couple of summers back.

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harakim wrote: November 30th, 2022, 12:21 pm
David13 wrote: November 29th, 2022, 8:57 am Simpletons think the war was only about slavery.

It wasn't.

dc
It still kind of was, though.

Only to those who make simplistic analysis of things.

It was just a lot more complicated than that.

But, by all means, take the Homer Simpson approach, if you so desire.
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David13 wrote: November 30th, 2022, 10:24 pm
harakim wrote: November 30th, 2022, 12:21 pm
David13 wrote: November 29th, 2022, 8:57 am Simpletons think the war was only about slavery.

It wasn't.

dc
It still kind of was, though.

Only to those who make simplistic analysis of things.

It was just a lot more complicated than that.

But, by all means, take the Homer Simpson approach, if you so desire.
dc
If you don't mind, please explain the war in a way that doesn't have one side trying to enslave the other.

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harakim wrote: December 1st, 2022, 1:23 am
David13 wrote: November 30th, 2022, 10:24 pm
harakim wrote: November 30th, 2022, 12:21 pm
David13 wrote: November 29th, 2022, 8:57 am Simpletons think the war was only about slavery.

It wasn't.

dc
It still kind of was, though.

Only to those who make simplistic analysis of things.

It was just a lot more complicated than that.

But, by all means, take the Homer Simpson approach, if you so desire.
dc
If you don't mind, please explain the war in a way that doesn't have one side trying to enslave the other.

There are more books and scholarly articles on the war between the states than another other event in U S history.

You do not need to depend upon me for your education.

I will recommend one book on Lincoln, a good book for the Lincoln worshipers and those who thought Lincoln was a Republican or conservative.

It is "The Real Lincoln" "A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War". By Thomas J DiLorenzo.

I would also advise you to avoid the revisionist historians in your education. They also paint a very false picture of the 1860s.
dc

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Most people do not know that the Feds offered to make slavery legal indefinitely under a proposed amendment to the Constitution. The south refused their offering. They wanted state's rights versus massive federal oversight. The good old Fed didn't give a damn about the slaves, in the end. They couldn't afford the economic loss of the secession.

Not sure why they try to paint it that Lincoln and the north were champions of civil rights. Couldn't be further from the truth, but the lie helps cement the modern day Democrat lies that keep the minorities on the new 'plantation' of government dependence, racial tensions, abortion (genocide), poverty. and oppression.

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blitzinstripes wrote: December 1st, 2022, 9:21 am Most people do not know that the Feds offered to make slavery legal indefinitely under a proposed amendment to the Constitution. The south refused their offering. They wanted state's rights versus massive federal oversight. The good old Fed didn't give a damn about the slaves, in the end. They couldn't afford the economic loss of the secession.

Not sure why they try to paint it that Lincoln and the north were champions of civil rights. Couldn't be further from the truth, but the lie helps cement the modern day Democrat lies that keep the minorities on the new 'plantation' of government dependence, racial tensions, abortion (genocide), poverty. and oppression.
The irony is how everyone thinks the North was trying to free the slaves, but it was actually fought to keep the people of the South (and Northerner peasants, really) as slaves. They've managed to mandate a public education teaching the literal opposite of what happened and it's worked.

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