Elections 2022 Live Thread

[DJB]

My prediction is the status quo won’t change no matter who wins. Both play for the wrong side.

[BuriedTartaria]

I don't agree with everything Rob Smith (though whether his claims are true or not, I've been very touched by what he has shared this year) teaches but something I strongly agree with him about is that the US does not exist into the Millennium, but the Kingdom of God will sit geographically where the US once existed and will share structural concepts with it. That the US does fall. That the sword of justice does hang over it. I find his view on this lines up well with an alleged teaching of Joseph Smith (comes from David Whitmer, in the 1870s or 1880s, saying Joseph taught it) that a second civil war will leave the US battered, bloodied and broken

While I admire Father Meeks and find almost all of almost all of his videos worth watching, I do not agree with all he believes. One point of disagreement is that I cannot faithfully hope or pray for this country to turn around, because God has told me that is not going to happen. The Lord will do all he can until he can do no more, and then this nation will be utterly swept clean from all who do not live the law of the Lord. The labor is no longer one of sparing the nation from temporal destruction, but helping those who will stand with the Lord to be saved from everlasting spiritual destruction, and this by rising up to his standard, and following him in every way, for the remainder of their lives, no matter what comes.

https://upwardthought.blogspot.com/2022 ... on-on.html

[Christianlee]

I listened to Father Meeks’ homily before the election. These words should have been preached from every pulpit in America. The churches have abdicated their responsibility.

[creator]

If the deep state is not disrupted, there is no need to pretend the voting charade any further. This is a pivotal moment.

If the experiment in self government that God inspired has failed, at what date or time would you state that the failure took place? Perhaps 2020. Or maybe today.

The end of freedom is no joke.

This is not at all a pivotal moment, it's just more of the same. The failure took place many years ago.

Things are going just as Carroll Quigley revealed in his 1966 book "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time":

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.”

The conspiracy has been in control for many years and most people continue to play their game.

[Original_Intent]

If the deep state is not disrupted, there is no need to pretend the voting charade any further. This is a pivotal moment.

If the experiment in self government that God inspired has failed, at what date or time would you state that the failure took place? Perhaps 2020. Or maybe today.

The end of freedom is no joke.

This is not at all a pivotal moment, it's just more of the same. The failure took place many years ago.

Things are going just as Carroll Quigley revealed in his 1966 book "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time":

“The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.”

The conspiracy has been in control for many years and most people continue to play their game.

Tragedy and Hope was such a slog to get thru, but was worth it (I felt the same about An Enemy Hath Done This)

Much easier read was The Naked Capitalist which I think was about a tenth as large and was a commentary on Tragedy and Hope. Really got kind of a Reader's Digest version.

[gkearney]

Here are a few assorted notes on the election form races and issues that may have escaped wide notice here.

Ranked choice voting - Ranked choice voting, which is a kind of instant runoff to insure the person winning gets to the majority, 50% +1, of the votes, is practiced in a few states. In Maine in particular. It has exposed that such a voting system vastly expand the power of the third parties when the down ballot second choice vote are assigned. In the case of Maine this means that the Green/socialist party voters, who almost without exception select the Democratic candidate as their second choice, decided for the second time in two years, that the Democratic candidate for the heavily Republic second congressional district wins again. The Republic party in Maine has yet to find a way to counter this trend.

Abortion votes - Across the country in both blue and red states abortions was either protected, Michigan, California, and Vermont. Or proposals to limit abortion failed to pass even in states where those proposals should have found easy support, Kentucky, Montana, and Kansas (in August). When placed on the ballot, voters so far seem to have little stomach for abortion restrictions placed before them for whatever reason even in traditionally conservative states.

Replaying elections past - Again in Maine we had two races which were replays of a sort of past elections. In the Governor's race the incumbent Janet Mills (D) easily handled ex-Governor Paul LePage, who attempted a third term in the Blain House after having served two terms as governor in the past. It was not to be. In the second Congressional district (see above) blue dog Democrat Jerad Golden went on to win against his Republican opponent Bruce Poliquin in a race that will likely be decided by counting the ranked choice votes which, in Mane, always break for the Democrats.

Arizona turns blue, or at least purple - This has been a long term trend in Arizon that shows no indication of abating. This is likely do to the influx of more Democratic voters from California as well as the expansion of Hispanic voters as the children of immigrants, born in the United States, reach voting age. In any event, this once reliably red state is not so reliable any longer. Next up Texas.

Real estate doesn't vote - One should avoid the temptation of looking a maps showing party votes by state or county. These maps often show vast swaths of the country in the red (Republican) column. The only problem with this is that real estate does not vote, people do. This was very clearly shown in the Kansas abortion vote in July. Almost without exception the yes vote on that issue carried the vast but thinly populated counties of western Kansas while the more populous counties in the east tended to note no. At this point in Kansas and likely other states as well, rural and thinly populated regions will find themselves increasingly shut out of the political debate. There will simply not be the voters in those regions to make any difference to the outcomes.

[tribrac]

One party tells the kids:. It's not your fault, it's not fair, you are a victim, you deserve things and we will give them to you.

The other party says: we want to run the country like a soft Sunday school.

One is a winning strategy to attract young voters and keep them. Neither is a winning strategy if the goal is a strong nation which will endure for many generations.

[tribrac]

Now it is not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the people to desire that which is not right; therefore this shall ye observe and make it your law—to do your business by the voice of the people.
27 And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land.

[Christianlee]

More than anything else, last night showed us people want to have the right to kill their pre-born babies.

[spiritMan]

After this election Trump should be over. This is a disaster for the GOP. DeSantis 2024.

That's the narrative they want you to believe. Desantis won't win nationwide

And Trump will? He either lost 2020 or it was stolen from him. If it was stolen, nothing has changed since and nothing is going to change. If he lost, these midterm results show his movement isn't going to fare any better in 2024 than it did in 2020 or 2022.

He's the only shot. You need a wrecking ball at the national level. DeSantis won't win b/c of the rainbow mafia, that or he will SIGNIFICANTLY moderate and be a Bush.

Look, as it is right now, control of the House is up for debate. The Senate is pretty much as good as gone; it will take a miracle at this point.
If the House keeps D, stick a fork in this country. If the Senate stays D, the filibuster is gone.

Always accuse your opponent of that which you are:
Democracy is at stake.

[spiritMan]

More than anything else, last night showed us people want to have the right to kill their pre-born babies.

Last night showed we are screwed. Inflation at 8-9%, headed into a recession and it's split with the Ds maybe escaping.

The House right now, is 198-175. 22 races where Rs lead. That's 220. One is a Cal. district R is leading .29, another R is leading .49 and another .67.

And this thing ain't over until Friday as the ballot "curing" happens in many states happen from now until then. So right now it's 220 Rs, lose one it's 219, lose 2 and by by.

[Christianlee]

After this election Trump should be over. This is a disaster for the GOP. DeSantis 2024.

That's the narrative they want you to believe. Desantis won't win nationwide

And Trump will? He either lost 2020 or it was stolen from him. If it was stolen, nothing has changed since and nothing is going to change. If he lost, these midterm results show his movement isn't going to fare any better in 2024 than it did in 2020 or 2022.

He's the only shot. You need a wrecking ball at the national level. DeSantis won't win b/c of the rainbow mafia, that or he will SIGNIFICANTLY moderate and be a Bush.

Look, as it is right now, control of the House is up for debate. The Senate is pretty much as good as gone; it will take a miracle at this point.
If the House keeps D, stick a fork in this country. If the Senate stays D, the filibuster is gone.

Always accuse your opponent of that which you are:
Democracy is at stake.

Republicans are going to take the House. The Dems won’t end the filibuster because after Joe Manchin was screwed over by Biden he has no reason to help the Democrats. In addition more Dem Senate seats are up next time so it will be hard for them to keep the Senate. They will need the filibuster in the future.

[spiritMan]

That's the narrative they want you to believe. Desantis won't win nationwide

And Trump will? He either lost 2020 or it was stolen from him. If it was stolen, nothing has changed since and nothing is going to change. If he lost, these midterm results show his movement isn't going to fare any better in 2024 than it did in 2020 or 2022.

He's the only shot. You need a wrecking ball at the national level. DeSantis won't win b/c of the rainbow mafia, that or he will SIGNIFICANTLY moderate and be a Bush.

Look, as it is right now, control of the House is up for debate. The Senate is pretty much as good as gone; it will take a miracle at this point.
If the House keeps D, stick a fork in this country. If the Senate stays D, the filibuster is gone.

Always accuse your opponent of that which you are:
Democracy is at stake.

Republicans are going to take the House. The Dems won’t end the filibuster because after Joe Manchin was screwed over by Biden he has no reason to help the Democrats. In addition more Dem Senate seats are up next time so it will be hard for them to keep the Senate. They will need the filibuster in the future.

"Republicans are going to take the House."
Maybe . . .it ain't a sure bet right now.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... rolWrapper

There is a reason why so many races have not been called. Ballot curing, mail-in, provisionals and the election isn't over in many of these states until Friday.

For example look @
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... ct-22.html
R +1.2
Vote difference is
3220
Estimated outstanding votes (last column):
Onondaga Conole +11 163,830 95% 9,000
Oneida Williams +25 70,694 92% 6,000
Madison Williams +18 25,354 >95% <1,500
Oswego Williams +59 128 >95% <100

Will Williams (R) win . . .probably-but it ain't a sure thing.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... ct-10.html
County Margin Votes Percent of votes in% In Estimated remaining votesEst. remain. votes:
Macomb James +0.21 282,170 >95% 10,000
Oakland James +2 44,064 >95% <2,000

1601 R up.

That ain't a sure thing.

IF the Rs win the House it is going to be by the narrowest of margins. Literally a few thousand votes in a couple of Districts (if those 2 go sideways, D control as of right now). Which means they are going to be EXTREMELY weak.

For the Rs to win in '24 IF they win the House they MUST go for broke. If they don't they will be destroyed in '24.

Look DeSantis won Florida by a VERY slim margin in '18 but he governed as if he had a mandate (but he didn't TALK like he had one). If the Rs play nicey, nice with the Ds (as they have the past 2 years in the House) they will get slaughtered in '24.

[Fred]

This country is not quite dead. Quivering, pulsing, seemingly still alive. Yet, half the population keeps attempting death by a thousand cuts. Stab it here. Stab it there.

Voting is as involved as most will ever do to save it. An equal number seeks certain death. A third part is complacent.

Rise up! or head to Zion. The sheep have no teeth.

Oh please don't kill me. You can be a fag if you want. It's not my fault. I never voted anyone out. whimper... whimper... I will be your slave. Here, drink some of my blood.

Well, good luck with that.

[tribrac]

Joe took his election, a very tight contest, as a mandate to reform American politics, education, Business, and social norms while labeling 46.8% of voters as terrorists. And sending the DOJ after his opponents top supporters.

There is nothing in this midterm election that suggest Biden will change his message or methods. Expect more executive orders, extreme positions and punishment for anyone who is not zealous in their fervent devotion.

This "winner takes all tyranny" was what the Constitution was supposed to protect against for We the People. Sad and dangerous times ahead.

[DesertWonderer2]

I listened to Father Meeks’ homily before the election. These words should have been preached from every pulpit in America. The churches have abdicated their responsibility.

What exactly did he say?

[Christianlee]

I listened to Father Meeks’ homily before the election. These words should have been preached from every pulpit in America. The churches have abdicated their responsibility.

What exactly did he say?

Worth listening to it. He is a former Protestant minister who is married with grandchildren.You won’t hear this in a Conference talk.

https://youtu.be/6pEPJ8wfjLI

[Subcomandante]

#TheMostImportantElectionOfOurLifetime

/s

If the deep state is not disrupted, there is no need to pretend the voting charade any further. This is a pivotal moment.

If the experiment in self government that God inspired has failed, at what date or time would you state that the failure took place? Perhaps 2020. Or maybe today.

The end of freedom is no joke.

It will require that millions of people be killed in order to fix. Whether the evil kill each other, or whether God or the Davidic Servant kills them, this election today is a turning point. If the Constitution can be salvaged, now is the time. If it is already too late, there is no solution that can be performed by mortals.

When even the churches that claim divine leadership are pure evil, our safety is dependent on our personal relationship to Jesus. Peace can come from nowhere else.

Today is the day that we either have the manpower in the right places to make a difference and stop the satanic scourge, or else the time to fix it has passed.

Some of us were born to deal with this time. I do not believe that any militia has the power that this forum has to obtain peace in such turmoil. Some of us are already protected.

Tomorrow will tell just how pivotal today really was.

To be honest, especially after the blood moon of this early morning, I think the day of judgement for this nation is nigh. Arizona definitely looks stolen.

And Pennsylvania.

Fetterman is doing BETTER then Biden!!!

I doubt right now that PA could be a steal. Arizona definitely legit looks like a steal. The Democratic candidate for governor was in charge of overseeing the elections and ensuring that Maricopa would be undercounted with a judge siding with her.

Fetterman did better than Biden because before Fetterman's disaster of a debate performance, something like half a million Pennsylvanians had already voted early, and that early vote tends to lean Democrat.

In several of the rustbelt states and even down in red Kentucky, a lot of people were defining abortion as a right in their local constitutions, and I don't see many of those guys voting GOP.

[h_p]

American elections have always been about the middle. We've always had two hardcore sides, and the middle ground tie-breaks the two. What I'm seeing these days is the two sides have become highly polarized, and the middle demographic is obviously very susceptible to media manipulation and indoctrination. My guess is they were seeing a choice between the pain in their pocketbooks and a "fascist" regime coming back into power. There's no mandate from this middle ground this time. They're all over the place. Make of it what you will. It's just going to be a Rorschach test to everyone, anyway.

And it's not like the Republicans had that great of a track record when they owned all the marbles. What did they accomplish last time they held the WH, Senate and Congress? Not much. Honestly, the best we could have hoped for coming out of this election was plenty of gridlock. Me might wind up with _some_ gridlock.

[farmerchick]

In Washington state it is now proven a dead dog with a d on his tag for Democrat can represent people in the house and senate. There is no hope for conservatives here any longer...good candidates lost.....Western Washington is now officially all blue.....

[Silver Pie]

After this election Trump should be over. This is a disaster for the GOP. DeSantis 2024.

That's the narrative they want you to believe. Desantis won't win nationwide

Either that or he'll be assassinated. Someone strong like him with actual morals won't be allowed to be potus.

[Silver Pie]

And Trump will?

They won't let him in again even if the people voted him in - and I'm not so sure the people would vote him in.

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[BuriedTartaria]

And Trump will?

They won't let him in again even if the people voted him in - and I'm not so sure the people would vote him in.

I'm not sure he'd get enough votes again either, assuming everything was fair and square. Right or wrong, his image and movement has been damaged and stained in the eyes of the majority. I feel bad for Trump, I seriously do. But if 2020 was stolen from him, 2022 mid term results show that the steal not only can not be overcome, but also nothing can get the greater public convinced that it keeps happening and 2024 would just be stolen again if he somehow did win (assuming the belief that stealing is going on is true). But after 2020 and 2022 riding so much on him as well, this is just demoralizing for the Trump crowd. It can't be understated how big of a disappointment this is if elections are fair and secure. This was supposed to be the great reckoning for the democrat elite and the progressive agenda. It just feels like continuing on with Trump is continuing on with a losing cause.

If elections are secure, the results show that he simply is a back to back loser at this point and there's little reason to continue backing his movement. If elections are stolen, then it's clear nothing has changed since 2020 and nothing gives confidence that the stealing could be overcome for 2024.

I don't care that much either way because outside of slowing the bleeding, I don't see a great American renaissance happening. I feel for a moral renaissance or a great awakening, or a new righteous status quo to occur, it will come from something new being established after a sweeping away of what is here.


I'm shocked the mid-terms turned out this way. The only silver lining in all this that I can see is that if stealing does go on in elections, this might be something that wakes up more "normal" people to it. I mean so many conservative and liberal outlets thought there would be some sort of conservative bite back at the machine