'Communism is no longer a threat'

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Very few Americans have the background knowledge to understand the error of what that hign council Rep. said. Then there are those who are too smart and too well informed to be deceived into believing that Communism is still a threat to us. A member of our stake presidency informed me last year that "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" is "mostly a bunch of bunk".

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Doesn't anyone else see how things are gradually changing here to be more like the socialist/communist countries?

The TSA fiasco is planned to spread throughout the country at large gatherings and tollways, etc. Soon it will be "papers please" just to cross state lines. Isn't this how the communist countries worked?

The government has already taken controlling ownership of companies and you can bet the next crisis will lead to more of the same.

The president is appointing czars and councils with the authority to do things that used to require congressional approval to accomplish. These are the first steps to full central planning.

Already, the police are more accountable to the federal government than to the locals they serve. More central authority.

I believe every single aspect of our economy has some sort of federal government subsidy, regulation, or control associated with it.

Just this week the Consumer Product Safety Commission ruled that no one can sell a drop side crib (apparently most used cribs may be banned) in the US, even at a garage sale. In one fell swoop they obliterated the used crib market, handing a boon to the crib industry. I see this as central planning. Just like cash for clunkers they are "helping" an industry along by altering the second hand market. I expect this to become a regular occurrence. It's anyones guess which industry will be "helped" next. (I guess we are already in the process of "helping" the light bulb industry, right?)

I realize that there is a fascist element to our current situation. It is very likely we are slowly becoming a hybrid of both.

All I know is that the government is slowly changing to resemble something found in Europe more than the country it was founded to be.

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There is no longer any Communist threat in the USA? How do I know this? Since the death of ETB, the Brethren have said nothing about the Communist threat so it must have subsided.

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Samuel the Lamanite wrote:There is no longer any Communist threat in the USA? How do I know this? Since the death of ETB, the Brethren have said nothing about the Communist threat so it must have subsided.
I don't think it's wise to equate silence with a loss of interest. Sometimes silence is the result of shouting for so long with no response that any further discussion becomes pointless.

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loquaciousmomma wrote:
Samuel the Lamanite wrote:There is no longer any Communist threat in the USA? How do I know this? Since the death of ETB, the Brethren have said nothing about the Communist threat so it must have subsided.
I don't think it's wise to equate silence with a loss of interest. Sometimes silence is the result of shouting for so long with no response that any further discussion becomes pointless.
Samuel is obviously being facetious. Since he left last time and was getting a lot of crap for casting doubt on the brethren, he now clearly is trying to make a point that simply saying "the brethren have/have not spoken!" can be taken to ridiculous lengths.

Point taken, Samuel, but there is also a difference between bringing up a point the brethren have not spoken on, or raising an alternative viewpoint, and essentially calling them into repentance for saying/not saying what you think they should.

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OT: I've repented. It's sad when one refuses to accept that repentance. As I understand, at one time you were totally inactive. What if the local leaders didn't accept your repentance as you seem to not accept mine?

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likewise..............remember, it was JS that said "............only a prophet when speaking as........"

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sb: It's my understanding from many here on LDSFF that the statement of modern prophets supercedes those of JS. Perhaps, I've misunderstood?

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does truth and law ever change?

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SB: God is NOT changebale. With Him, it is all one eternal round. IMO, he belssed us with the Book of Mormon as a 2nd witness for Jeszus but also to show us types and shadows of the last days. I choose to use Samuel the Lamanite because he was a major forerunner to the coming of Chirst. he tried to arouse the Nephites to listen to the Prophet Nephi.

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question then, why is it that Samuel the L.........got the "inside dope" of Christ birth and it wasn't Nephi who "disceminated the message", even in the BoM?

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SB: Perahps because the people had so rejected Nephi's sermons that only an "outsider" could reach them. Rememebr, STL's message was NOT well received except by a few. In fact, many tried to kill him. He was saved ONLY by the miracles of God.

What do you think would happen today if a STL visited SLC and spoke from the walls surrounding the Temple? Are the saints really doing what TSM and the 12 saying? Are most of the saints among the wise virgins?

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Necro thread! :D

Now, at the end of 2022, we find that not only is communism a GREAT threat, it is the way of things right here in the United States - with every one of the Ten Planks of Communism being alive and well right here (and in all formerly western, Christian, free-ish countries).

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/10/gar ... t-country/

How Does it Feel to Live in This ‘Newfound’ Communist Country?

By Gary D. Barnett
October 8, 2022

“Communism is what happens when Socialists realize that they want complete control over every aspect of human life.”

~ A.E. Samaan

Let us forget about any alleged “Constitutional Republic,” or any democracy, Fascist, Socialist, or any other evident political leanings in the U.S., and just concentrate on reality. The United States today is based more on a Communist society than any other single political system or ideology; so much so as to now follow almost to the letter, the entirety of the ten planks of Communism. To argue against this certainty, is not only short-sided, but fails to meet any test of accuracy whatsoever. To accept this may be difficult for those living in an imagined dream world called ‘the land of the free,’ but once accepted and acknowledged, a move forward becomes possible. In order to grow and prosper, one must accept truth and reality, and face it, or forever live and die in chains.

The control measures put into place over the past two- and-a-half years have been telling in one sense and tyrannical in another. Telling, in that the voluntary compliance by the masses was almost universal, indicating that the test of obedience due to fake ‘viruses’ designed by the state was successful, as most all did as they were told. Of course, the results of this were completely tyrannical, as extensive damage was done due to lockdowns, loss of the ability to support self and family, psychological torture, depression, suicide, poisonous injections, abandonment of family, masks, ‘distancing,’ and immune system destruction. Due to these plotted outcomes, extreme sickness was evident, which only helped the evil state in its efforts to promote fear and hate. The fact that this was designed and not accidental was totally lost on most, as they acquiesced to state terror willingly, acting as a collective herd of sheep awaiting slaughter.

While most all in this country would balk at any suggestion that Communism was not only present, but the leading ideology of this governing system, that is exactly what has taken place over time, and now resides as the mainstay of this push toward global power and control. The U.S. leads in this carnage due to its status in this world, and the completely false belief by the citizenry that this is the freest and most ‘democratic,’ and ‘exceptional’ country on earth. It is certainly not anything of the kind. The gradual metamorphosis from what was falsely considered true freedom to a near outright Communist state, was able to remain hidden from most due to massive propaganda, gullibility, gross nationalism, and the notion that it could never happen here.

Communism as described by many, while falsely presented as “for the benefit of the people,” is a system based on lies, propaganda, and total control over all conditions of life, from a top-down structure where the state claims total power. This structure fits in perfectly with a technocratically-run state, as only the few retain power over the masses, and through technological means, are able to control all movement, monetary policies, supply and demand of energy and food, surveillance, and access or not to life sustaining necessities. This system will also likely address and demand the implementation of tracking and tracing of all human activity through facial recognition, passports, chips, monitoring and control of most all spending, and also the constant monitoring of day-to-day activities. This is of course, contingent on this population continuing to allow its own takeover by the oppressive state.

Communism is not the single ideology of this country, as aspects of socialism, blind democracy, and extreme fascism are present, among others as well, but consider that the ten planks of Communism are already either fully in place, or are being put into place today. A brief overview of the planks will bear out the existence of a Communist state of affairs in America.

The abolition of property ownership has not been fully implemented, but is well on its way to becoming the norm. As this fake scam of ‘covid’ has advanced, the government has taken over much more land and property, mainly through its proxy partners on Wall Street and the big banking conglomerates. Huge inflationary expansion, will continue to drive more state ownership of private property. In addition, the government now owns most every mortgage in this country, leaving all liability on the backs of the lowly taxpayers, and over time has confiscated (stolen) hundreds of millions of acres falsely called ‘public’ land.

A heavy and graduated income tax has been in place for 100 years, and while rights of inheritance are not completely restricted, all structures are in place to affect this if the state desires.

The confiscation of the property of ‘rebels’ has been discussed, and the theft of the property of those non-compliant citizens has been actively pursued and accomplished in some instances already, as new laws and mandates supposedly protecting government by censoring and controlling speech and action are becoming more prevalent.

The centralization of credit, a central banking system, and the monopoly of capital has been advancing greatly since 1913, and is controlled by the ruling ‘elite’ and their state enforcers. This plank is fully entrenched, as is the control and the monitoring of the means of communication and transportation.

The equal obligation of all to work, or in other words, to force by necessity or violence the idea of support for the lie called the ‘common good,’ has been entrenched here for a long time, and is becoming even more so today.

The combining of agriculture with the manufacturing industry is almost completely in place, as farms, ranches, food production and distribution have for the most part been destroyed and/or taken over, and certainly controlled by government policy and regulation.

As to abolishing the distinction between town and country by a more ‘equitable’ distribution of the population, just consider what is and has been happening over the past 3 years, mainly due to tyrannical government action that was planned from the beginning. The redistribution of the population due to the chaos, looting, violence, murder, and severe mandates and restrictions in cities by government, has caused a mass exodus to more remote areas; in effect, spreading out the population, and infiltrating the higher resistance areas with those used to being more controlled.

As to the last plank of Communism, and certainly not the least, was the building of a ‘free’ ‘education’ system for all children in government public schools; the most evil scheme meant only to dumb down and indoctrinate all children, affecting generations of this population. This alone has caused all-consuming brainwashing, and promotes undeveloped brains to accept blind obedience as a way of life. As far as controlling the masses is concerned, this is possibly the most important of all the Communist planks to have been implemented in order to increase the power of the state. In fact, the schooling system is currently being used to sicken and destroy the bodies, minds, and psyche of the next generations due to abominable propaganda, poisonous bio-weapon injections, sexual manipulation, teaching hate and racism; all in its quest to destroy history and tradition in favor of neo-Marxist idiocy.

As you can see, the United States is a true melting pot, in the sense that most every oppressive and tyrannical political ideology that has ever existed, has been accepted with open arms, especially the idea of Communism, which in my opinion, is the mainstay of this massive push by the ruling class and their government whores, to position themselves as the masters of the world in this new world order being aggressively pursued today.

The resistance and pushback against certain aspects of this takeover by more and more people is happening, but it must be understood that voting, dependence on the political system, and minor resistance without actionable disobedience will not be enough to stop this onslaught of totalitarian rule. Each of us must resist all tyranny, and not allow government or its enforcers to advance this agenda of dominance over us. We can win the day, but it will take very large numbers of independent individuals standing together en masse.

Realize what is actually happening, ignore the mandates and lies, see the rampant hypocrisy that is everywhere, do not be afraid of what you will find, and take your freedom from the grasp of these despicable, political, and corporate monsters called the state.

A mixture of gullibility and cynicism had been an outstanding characteristic of mob mentality before it became an everyday phenomenon of masses. In an ever-changing, incomprehensible, world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything is possible and that nothing was true. The mixture in itself was remarkable enough, because it spelled the end of the illusion that gullibility was a weakness of unsuspecting primitive souls and cynicism the vice of superior and refined minds. Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.

~ Hannah Arendt — “The Origins of Totalitarianism”

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What if I told you that the ultra rich elite were the ones who funded communist revolutions throughout history?

Now ask yourselves: why would the mega rich want communism?

The answer is much simpler than you'd think.

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Nothing like the smell of naivety in the morning.

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: November 2nd, 2022, 5:04 pm What if I told you that the ultra rich elite were the ones who funded communist revolutions throughout history?

Now ask yourselves: why would the mega rich want communism?

The answer is much simpler than you'd think.
Absolutely the ultra rich elite have always been, and currently are, behind the communism push. Because it is the best/easiest way for them to get and keep complete control over everything and everyone. And we know that is Satan's #1 method, desire, and mechanism for attaining the power and glory that he so craves - and the ultra rich elite are, and always have been, under his control. That's my quick take anyway.

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ransomme wrote: November 2nd, 2022, 5:11 pm Nothing like the smell of naivety in the morning.
Are you referring to the stake president's comment in the OP, and some other subsequent comments?

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EmmaLee wrote: November 2nd, 2022, 5:15 pm
ransomme wrote: November 2nd, 2022, 5:11 pm Nothing like the smell of naivety in the morning.
Are you referring to the stake president's comment in the OP, and some other subsequent comments?
The stake president's comment about communism.

He is obviously out of touch with reality and knows nothing about post modernism, intersectionality, BLM, and more.

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ransomme wrote: November 2nd, 2022, 5:24 pm
EmmaLee wrote: November 2nd, 2022, 5:15 pm
ransomme wrote: November 2nd, 2022, 5:11 pm Nothing like the smell of naivety in the morning.
Are you referring to the stake president's comment in the OP, and some other subsequent comments?
The stake president's comment about communism.

He is obviously out of touch with reality and knows nothing about post modernism, intersectionality, BLM, and more.
Sadly, the majority of members that I know would agree with him. And then they, ironically, often promote all the things you mention, in church, online, everywhere. I should have recorded our adult Sunday school class the other day and posted it here, and you'd know what I mean. Laughing at any mention of the Constitution, for example, comes as easily as laughing at the notion that what they believe in and promote is, in reality, communism.

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I don't think we can expect LDS Church authorities to speak of write anything critical of communism now. The latter-day gadiantons (LDGs) have gotten pretty well above us now, and are in positions from which they can severely punish the Church if it were to take a stand against communist government.

Dr. W. Cleon Skousen, with whom I was acquainted from 1970 until he died in 2006, was for 16 years an FBI agent, and for some years an assistant to the FBI Director, J. Edgar Hoover and when I first met him he was a university professor. He wrote in his book The Naked Capitalist the following: " 'I think the Communist conspiracy is merely a branch of a much bigger conspiracy'. The above statement was made to this reviewer several years ago by Bella Dodd, a former member of the National Committee of the U.S. Communist Party. Dr. Dodd said she first became aware of some mysterious super-leadership right after World War II when the U.S. Communist Party had difficulty getting instructions from Moscow on several vital matters requiring immediate attention. The American Communist hierarchy was told that any time they had an emergency of this kind they should contact any one of three designated persons at the Waldorf Towers. Dr. Dodd noted that whenever the Party obtained instructions from any of these three men, Moscow always ratified them. What puzzled Dr. Dodd was the fact that not one of these three contacts was a Russian. Nor were any of them Communists. In fact, all three were extremely wealthy American capitalists." Pg.1.

I have further personal correspondence from Dr. Skousen on this subject, basically telling me that Bella Dodd never knew who the wealthy American capitalists were. Several years ago Dr. Skousen, in reply to my inquiry about Dr. Dodd having spoken of wealthy Americans who at times gave direction to the Communist Party USA right after World War 2, wrote to me: "...April 23, 1962. Bella Dodd told me that while she was working as a member of the national committee of the Communist Party, she learned from William Z. Foster, head of the American Communist Party, that if they couldn’t make a decision on any particular problem they should go to the Waldorf Astoria for instructions. Their courier always took these inquiries to Arthur J. Goldsmith. However, she did not know whether he was one of the three or merely a go between who delivered the message to the three wealthy contacts and then later brought back the answer."

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Old school overt Communism is very much still around. I'm not even talking about the Bilderberg or woke variety, or those who are not openly Communist. As I posted recently I had a disciple of Marx trying to convert me. The UK government also had a bona fide Communist Prof. Susan Michie put in charge of lockdown. Here is she is at a Communist event.
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That's before we even get into the more covert stuff.

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"Communism: AN INTERNATIONALCONSPIRATORIAL DRIVE FOR POWER ON THEPART OF MEN IN HIGH PLACES WILLING TO USE ANY MEANS TO BRING ABOUT THEIR DESIRED AIM - GLOBAL CONQUEST." (Gary Allen, author of "None Dare Call It Conspiracy", Pg. 21)

"Communism is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but is a movement created, manipulated and used by power-seeking billionaires in order to gain control over the world...by first establishing socialist governments in the various nations and then consolidating them all through a "Great Merger" into an all-powerful world socialist super-state probably under the auspices of the United Nations." ( Gary Allen, author of "None Dare Call It Conspiracy", Pg. 35)

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lundbaek wrote: November 7th, 2022, 3:46 pm "Communism: AN INTERNATIONALCONSPIRATORIAL DRIVE FOR POWER ON THEPART OF MEN IN HIGH PLACES WILLING TO USE ANY MEANS TO BRING ABOUT THEIR DESIRED AIM - GLOBAL CONQUEST." (Gary Allen, author of "None Dare Call It Conspiracy", Pg. 21)

"Communism is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but is a movement created, manipulated and used by power-seeking billionaires in order to gain control over the world...by first establishing socialist governments in the various nations and then consolidating them all through a "Great Merger" into an all-powerful world socialist super-state probably under the auspices of the United Nations." ( Gary Allen, author of "None Dare Call It Conspiracy", Pg. 35)
One of the biggest lies in Marxism is that when Communism is achieved, "the state will wither away". I was discussing the absurdity of this proposition with someone yesterday.

I mentioned the more innocuous example of civil servants (I don't know what the American etc equivalent is, but they are basically unelected government penpushers). Once you give power to civil servants, it is very hard to wrest it back off them. The number of civil servants constantly increases... it's a good job with good pay and pension, and good unions, it I was in that job, I'd fight to keep it too.

Civil servants and bureaucrats are more nuisance than physical threat, but there are uglier aspects to the state. As any anarchist will tell you (left or right wing), a state's power comes ultimately from its ability to defend itself physically and wield that threat over its populace. Most people do not commit crime, at any given moment, but for a significant percentage of the population that is not because of morality, but because of the threat of imprisonment, fines or even death (in extreme cases.) In the case of just laws, that's a good thing, but even those are not applied evenly or fairly. In the case of unjust laws, it is a terrible thing.

Marx says that power must be seized by force and defended, that the ends justify the means and his ideas are completely scientific. That is why his philosophy leads to totalitarianism and cannot be questioned. He also says it must be applied worldwide before it can come about (making it unremovable.) As long as anyone raises their voice against that power, that power must be maintained, i.e. indefinitely. So Marx's idea that the state will wither away can be seen as nonsense purely from.

TLDR: if you give an individual or a group power, they won't hand it back in a hurry. Maybe never unless they're forced to.

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