I just voted..

[mudflap]

No matter how hopeless, even a rat will lash out when cornered. Even if voting is rigged so hopelessly that my vote truly doesn't make a difference, I'll still consecrate the time and effort to go do so.

Remember Man of Steel? When Colonel Hardy crashed and that woman from Krypton approached him, he unloaded every shot he had-on what was almost evil superwoman. When he ran out of ammunition, he pulled a knife. He's one of my favorite characters in cinema for that one, single scene. It doesn't matter that it's hopeless, it matters that you do what you can. We're all Col. Hardy right now, staring the hardly-secret-anymore combinations of the modern Gadiantons in the face as they approach us.

As for physically fighting? Jesus said to have a sword, and to sell my coat to afford one if necessary. He didn't say go swing it without direction, but I'll sure have it. And fleeing Babylon? When the Lord says to flee today and gives us a place to actually flee to, I'll flee.

That's a good scripture. I see that "sell your cloak and buy a sword" quote a lot - and I have used it as justification to the gun grabbers who misquote the Bible all the time. But looking at the context of that actual scripture - when did the folks He said that to ever use their swords - or even end up having them? I'm not saying they didn't have them - there's just no follow up to it later on in Acts or anywhere else. So what was the point of Christ telling them that? Was He referencing the future chaos of 70 A.D. sacking of Jerusalem? I don't know, but there never was any God/Scripturally sanctioned "Christian Soldiers" or army. I get the feeling that having a weapon would be only for the use of defending our families - never for an offensive "take down the bad guys". As I read it: we're just going to walk away from it all (or "run": for the ones sleeping in the back of the class).

If you know of some prophecy or scripture that shows when and how we're going to be called up into some kind of God's Army in the Last Days, please do share. I think Brigham Young is spot on: eventually, we'll cease trading with them, cease taking part in their cesspool / swamp elections, cease fighting for their war machine - we'll leave their wicked society and build our own. We have to, or we won't survive the coming cleansing. some of us are just being told to quit playing the stupid game a little earlier than others. You do you, though.

And I don't think the Lord is going to "give us a place to actually flee to" - I think we are going to have to make it ourselves. He's already designated the location (or locations, if you buy the modern twist on it), just not the timing.

[mudflap]

I could see how that might do some good. But just staying home only signals surrender, or apathy, at best.

I agree: I'm signaling my surrender to God, and my apathy at Babylon.

[jreuben]

@Allison your use of the phrase "staying home" seems to promote limited perspective. There is much that one can do at home... in many, many, many diverse ways. Doing at home is exactly what the Lord would have us do... again in many ways. The largest failure presently in the church is at home and people building their own family's kingdom is a huge missing piece of the modern massive failure we've seen. The "atomic family" is a demonic teaching - families are meant to expand and encompass society. The Kingdom of God is ruled by families. It all starts at home and arguably, if you have the proper perspective, the greater things in preparing the world by rescuing science, doing research and even working at home are all so much more empowering and productive. With the internet one can also be a power and force for good in motivating and working with others - far more than anyone can do with elections. Many of us who have accomplished great things (even very lucrative operations) nearly always start at home... Points to ponder.

The patriarchs and patriarchal order that is the order of God on Earth and for all families - and that is being attacked by satan - is the pinnacle of societal rule and roles.

[Allison]

I could see how that might do some good. But just staying home only signals surrender, or apathy, at best.

I agree: I'm signaling my surrender to God, and my apathy at Babylon.

Good for you, nice words.

It seems in the Church there are ProgMOs, TBMs, and around here, mainly the right-leaning fringe (RLF?), and all y’all don’t want to get involved, but for very different reasons. Yet the end result is the same. So nowadays I find more solace and companionship with the Christian Right grassroots warrior-types who have only just begun to fight. Everybody else can just stay home, no problem.

[Niemand]

Just wondering if any good is expected to come from not voting at all. Does it make a statement? And if so, what is the message and who is intended to receive the message ? Will not voting change anything?

There is a difference between abstaining (which means you get lumped in with the lazy) and spoiling your ballot (which means you get lumped in with the cretinous). I've spoilt my ballot paper a few times recently but I always make it obvious that it's not an error.

Ron and Noa have had a couple of votes off me. (Re-Open Nominations and None Of the Above). Sometimes the candidates we get are atrocious and endorsing them.

I could see how that might do some good. But just staying home only signals surrender, or apathy, at best.

I do go out and vote every election... but I think it is more worth my while making a protest and spoiling my ballot. In one case I had a choice of five candidates, four of whom were dismal and the fifth had no website.

[Allison]

@Allison your use of the phrase "staying home" seems to promote limited perspective. There is much that one can do at home... in many, many, many diverse ways. Doing at home is exactly what the Lord would have us do... again in many ways. The largest failure presently in the church is at home and people building their own family's kingdom is a huge missing piece of the modern massive failure we've seen. The "atomic family" is a demonic teaching - families are meant to expand and encompass society. The Kingdom of God is ruled by families. It all starts at home and arguably, if you have the proper perspective, the greater things in preparing the world by rescuing science, doing research and even working at home are all so much more empowering and productive. With the internet one can also be a power and force for good in motivating and working with others - far more than anyone can do with elections. Many of us who have accomplished great things (even very lucrative operations) nearly always start at home... Points to ponder.

The patriarchs and patriarchal order that is the order of God on Earth and for all families - and that is being attacked by satan - is the pinnacle of societal rule and roles.

Brother Reuben, I am all for home and family. But to coin a phrase, why is that a binary choice?

And, no matter how effective our keyboard activism is, what are we inspiring others to do? Abstain from voting? Why? If all of the patriots refuse to vote, what will change for the better? I’ll be abstaining from our US Representative vote, because I haven’t found any good options, but at least by turning in my ballot with other items marked, a tiny statement is made. And if a lot of us did that, it might at least signal to him that there is some discontent.

I don’t know, everyone can obviously do whatever they want, but I don’t see any virtue in sitting it out.

[Allison]

Just wondering if any good is expected to come from not voting at all. Does it make a statement? And if so, what is the message and who is intended to receive the message ? Will not voting change anything?

There is a difference between abstaining (which means you get lumped in with the lazy) and spoiling your ballot (which means you get lumped in with the cretinous). I've spoilt my ballot paper a few times recently but I always make it obvious that it's not an error.

Ron and Noa have had a couple of votes off me. (Re-Open Nominations and None Of the Above). Sometimes the candidates we get are atrocious and endorsing them.

I could see how that might do some good. But just staying home only signals surrender, or apathy, at best.

I do go out and vote every election... but I think it is more worth my while making a protest and spoiling my ballot. In one case I had a choice of five candidates, four of whom were dismal and the fifth had no website.

I would so gladly do that, too. It’s better than silence.

[mudflap]

Does anyone disagree with this:

There will come a time when you won't vote in the Babylon elections.

?

[nightlight]

Does anyone disagree with this:

There will come a time when you won't vote in the Babylon elections.

?

It would take a collapse in society.

Otherwise...we'd be California

Leaving blank very box will just make gas/travel, guns, speech etc too hard to come by.

No doubt it will end the same, but when it does....we want those things easily accessible

[EmmaLee]

We will be voting next Tuesday. We vote 'no' on all proposals, because they would all increase taxes/theft - so that's a given. And there are a few people who are running that have already made a difference locally, so we will vote for them again. Looking at someone's track record (their 'fruits') makes all the difference to me, as I don't much care what they say nearly as much as what they have already done. Some spaces we will leave blank because there are no good people (according to the scriptural definition of what type of people to vote for) running.

I do believe we can still make a difference locally. Just one example - when 'gay marriage' was on the ballot here in our state, the people, with a great majority (over 70%) voted 'NO'. Three libtarded state judges then proceeded to illegally, immorally, and unconstitutionally turn over the votes and voice of the people and with magic made 'gay marriage' legal in our state. At the next election, we the people voted all three of those judges out of a job. Of course, it doesn't much matter now, since the evil among us has made 'gay marriage' legal nationwide, but it did get those three judges out locally, for what it's worth.

A more recent example of a local difference was in 2020 when the people of our city voted the unanimously libtarded city council out, and voted in much more conservative people for those seats. Again, for what it's worth.

[Allison]

Does anyone disagree with this:

There will come a time when you won't vote in the Babylon elections.

?

I just hope we aren’t there yet.

Definitely not in my community just yet. We have a fabulous Sheriff, and it looks like we will have good new State rep and senator (time will tell), plus a great guy to replace Roy Blunt…actually, my Underdog vote for the CP party will only make a statement, but still…

And then yeah, an Amendment and ballot initiatives. A lot to exercise our voice about. And we happen to have paper ballots, yay!

[Allison]

We will be voting next Tuesday. We vote 'no' on all proposals, because they would all increase taxes/theft - so that's a given. And there are a few people who are running that have already made a difference locally, so we will vote for them again. Looking at someone's track record (their 'fruits') makes all the difference to me, as I don't much care what they say nearly as much as what they have already done. Some spaces we will leave blank because there are no good people (according to the scriptural definition of what type of people to vote for) running.

I do believe we can still make a difference locally. Just one example - when 'gay marriage' was on the ballot here in our state, the people, with a great majority (over 70%) voted 'NO'. Three libtarded state judges then proceeded to illegally, immorally, and unconstitutionally turn over the votes and voice of the people and with magic made 'gay marriage' legal in our state. At the next election, we the people voted all three of those judges out of a job. Of course, it doesn't much matter now, since the evil among us has made 'gay marriage' legal nationwide, but it did get those three judges out locally, for what it's worth.

A more recent example of a local difference was in 2020 when the people of our city voted the unanimously libtarded city council out, and voted in much more conservative people for those seats. Again, for what it's worth.

INSPIRING, wow! And Amen to all you have said and accomplished with your grassroots people!

The other part is, if we ask the Lord to move a mountain for us and then start digging with our shovels, we have more claim on the blessing we seek.

[Wolfwoman]

Mark Levin and Sean Hannity and all the rest all saying the same thing: if you don't vote we'll lose the country. Just like they said in 2020, 2018, 2016, 2014, 2012, 2010, 2008.........

but go ahead and "voteHarder" - see if it makes a difference (It won't - did you see my timeline?), then go back to sleep for another 2 years until we have this conversation again.

or

stop the insanity and try something new, like,

I don't know

- getting out of debt
- gaining a skill that is locally useful (welding, auto-repair, sewing, growing a successful garden and living off of it for 6 months)
- going to a local town hall meeting
- or a school board meeting

Why not both?.
Vote AND get out of debt, learn skill, go to a town hall meeting and school board meeting.

The members of the town council are elected, and so are the members of the school board. Or were you just against the national elections? I can understand why people are fed up with the federal crap that goes on. But local? You actually have a chance at changing stuff in your local area.

[jreuben]

@Allison I didn't say a binary choice, but you inferred that staying home is tantamount to doing nothing. This is unequivocally wrong and arguably - depending on what you do at home - infinitely more effective at evoking change globally than going out and even voting. Vote all you like, but I fear you will not like the consequences of believing that you're evoking change. I can, with near certainty, guarantee you will meet disappointment and frustration with that point. Wars can be waged in many different ways and some of us feel that we are waging a war presently in the way that we are choosing to do so. Also please don't be so quick to equate "staying at home" to "keyboard activism".

Some of us are working on starting new nations in creative and interesting ways that will be free from babylon and false babylonian religion/science and babylonians in general.

[Niemand]

Does anyone disagree with this:

There will come a time when you won't vote in the Babylon elections.

?

Depends what you mean. They'll probably require the Mark to vote at some point.

[marc]

As for physically fighting? Jesus said to have a sword, and to sell my coat to afford one if necessary. He didn't say go swing it without direction, but I'll sure have it. And fleeing Babylon? When the Lord says to flee today and gives us a place to actually flee to, I'll flee.

Since we do not yet have a place of refuge - Zion - Jesus has given us a new commandment and a law which supersedes your sword idea. There's a lot to unpack, but if you're serious:

D&C 98:11 And I give unto you a commandment, that ye shall forsake all evil and cleave unto all good, that ye shall live by every word which proceedeth forth out of the mouth of God.

12 For he will give unto the faithful line upon line, precept upon precept; and I will try you and prove you herewith.

13 And whoso layeth down his life in my cause, for my name’s sake, shall find it again, even life eternal.

14 Therefore, be not afraid of your enemies, for I have decreed in my heart, saith the Lord, that I will prove you in all things, whether you will abide in my covenant, even unto death, that you may be found worthy.

15 For if ye will not abide in my covenant ye are not worthy of me.

16 Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace, and seek diligently to turn the hearts of the children to their fathers, and the hearts of the fathers to the children;

17 And again, the hearts of the Jews unto the prophets, and the prophets unto the Jews; lest I come and smite the whole earth with a curse, and all flesh be consumed before me.

18 Let not your hearts be troubled; for in my Father’s house are many mansions, and I have prepared a place for you; and where my Father and I am, there ye shall be also.

19 Behold, I, the Lord, am not well pleased with many who are in the church at Kirtland;

20 For they do not forsake their sins, and their wicked ways, the pride of their hearts, and their covetousness, and all their detestable things, and observe the words of wisdom and eternal life which I have given unto them.

21 Verily I say unto you, that I, the Lord, will chasten them and will do whatsoever I list, if they do not repent and observe all things whatsoever I have said unto them.

22 And again I say unto you, if ye observe to do whatsoever I command you, I, the Lord, will turn away all wrath and indignation from you, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against you.

23 Now, I speak unto you concerning your families—if men will smite you, or your families, once, and ye bear it patiently and revile not against them, neither seek revenge, ye shall be rewarded;

24 But if ye bear it not patiently, it shall be accounted unto you as being meted out as a just measure unto you.

25 And again, if your enemy shall smite you the second time, and you revile not against your enemy, and bear it patiently, your reward shall be an hundred-fold.

26 And again, if he shall smite you the third time, and ye bear it patiently, your reward shall be doubled unto you four-fold;

27 And these three testimonies shall stand against your enemy if he repent not, and shall not be blotted out.

28 And now, verily I say unto you, if that enemy shall escape my vengeance, that he be not brought into judgment before me, then ye shall see to it that ye warn him in my name, that he come no more upon you, neither upon your family, even your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.

29 And then, if he shall come upon you or your children, or your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation, I have delivered thine enemy into thine hands;

30 And then if thou wilt spare him, thou shalt be rewarded for thy righteousness; and also thy children and thy children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.

31 Nevertheless, thine enemy is in thine hands; and if thou rewardest him according to his works thou art justified; if he has sought thy life, and thy life is endangered by him, thine enemy is in thine hands and thou art justified.

32 Behold, this is the law I gave unto my servant Nephi, and thy fathers, Joseph, and Jacob, and Isaac, and Abraham, and all mine ancient prophets and apostles.

33 And again, this is the law that I gave unto mine ancients, that they should not go out unto battle against any nation, kindred, tongue, or people, save I, the Lord, commanded them.

34 And if any nation, tongue, or people should proclaim war against them, they should first lift a standard of peace unto that people, nation, or tongue;

35 And if that people did not accept the offering of peace, neither the second nor the third time, they should bring these testimonies before the Lord;

36 Then I, the Lord, would give unto them a commandment, and justify them in going out to battle against that nation, tongue, or people.

37 And I, the Lord, would fight their battles, and their children’s battles, and their children’s children’s, until they had avenged themselves on all their enemies, to the third and fourth generation.

38 Behold, this is an ensample unto all people, saith the Lord your God, for justification before me.

39 And again, verily I say unto you, if after thine enemy has come upon thee the first time, he repent and come unto thee praying thy forgiveness, thou shalt forgive him, and shalt hold it no more as a testimony against thine enemy—

40 And so on unto the second and third time; and as oft as thine enemy repenteth of the trespass wherewith he has trespassed against thee, thou shalt forgive him, until seventy times seven.

41 And if he trespass against thee and repent not the first time, nevertheless thou shalt forgive him.

42 And if he trespass against thee the second time, and repent not, nevertheless thou shalt forgive him.

43 And if he trespass against thee the third time, and repent not, thou shalt also forgive him.

44 But if he trespass against thee the fourth time thou shalt not forgive him, but shalt bring these testimonies before the Lord; and they shall not be blotted out until he repent and reward thee four-fold in all things wherewith he has trespassed against thee.

45 And if he do this, thou shalt forgive him with all thine heart; and if he do not this, I, the Lord, will avenge thee of thine enemy an hundred-fold;

46 And upon his children, and upon his children’s children of all them that hate me, unto the third and fourth generation.

47 But if the children shall repent, or the children’s children, and turn to the Lord their God, with all their hearts and with all their might, mind, and strength, and restore four-fold for all their trespasses wherewith they have trespassed, or wherewith their fathers have trespassed, or their fathers’ fathers, then thine indignation shall be turned away;

48 And vengeance shall no more come upon them, saith the Lord thy God, and their trespasses shall never be brought any more as a testimony before the Lord against them. Amen.

The tldr: Don't fight. Don't kill. IF God commands you to fight, then fight. If you will not abide in His covenant, you are not worthy of him. The rest is about seeking justice vs. extending mercy.

[mudflap]

Since we do not yet have a place of refuge - Zion - Jesus has given us a new commandment and a law which supersedes your sword idea. There's a lot to unpack, but if you're serious:

The tldr: Don't fight. Don't kill. IF God commands you to fight, then fight. If you will not abide in His covenant, you are not worthy of him. The rest is about seeking justice vs. extending mercy.

two things:

Zion is the pure in heart. It doesn't necessarily need to be a physical location, so if you are pure in heart, they you have refuge.

That whole long passage isn't a new commandment - it's the same one the Nephites followed (when they were righteous) when dealing with the Lamanites during their war years.

And sure, God can command anything He wants to - even commanding us to fight, if needed. But again: an exhaustive search of the scriptures shows that a "God's Army" made up of mortals isn't part of the storyline for the last days. It's just not there, not in Revelation, not in Daniel, not in Isaiah or Jeremiah or any of the other OT prophets. It's not in the D&C, PGP, or the Book of Mormon. Gog and Magog are just two evil armies. Closest thing I can find is the remnant of Jacob going through as a young lion and tearing assunder - but it doesn't seem like an organized army - just chaos.

The end game for the faithful is to eventually vote with their feet and flee to Zion once it is established physically - and not fight. Scriptures are very clear there. And as we know - the pattern is first spiritual, then physical - Zion will be born in people's hearts first, then those people will create it physically. My Brigham Young quote couldn't have made this more clear, I think.

Honestly, we're only arguing over timing - I might be jumping the gun a little too soon by "checking out early". Or maybe I'm inspired. I'll let you know in 20 years, lol...

[marc]

Since we do not yet have a place of refuge - Zion - Jesus has given us a new commandment and a law which supersedes your sword idea. There's a lot to unpack, but if you're serious:

The tldr: Don't fight. Don't kill. IF God commands you to fight, then fight. If you will not abide in His covenant, you are not worthy of him. The rest is about seeking justice vs. extending mercy.

two things:

Zion is the pure in heart. It doesn't necessarily need to be a physical location, so if you are pure in heart, they you have refuge.

True, however, in due time Zion will also be a physical location to which people must flee if they do not want to fight.
D&C 45:68 And it shall come to pass among the wicked, that every man that will not take his sword against his neighbor must needs flee unto Zion for safety.

That whole long passage isn't a new commandment - it's the same one the Nephites followed (when they were righteous) when dealing with the Lamanites during their war years.

True, although it is was given anew to Joseph Smith and the saints as well as to us. It was given to the patriarchs, then to Nephi, and now to us.

And sure, God can command anything He wants to - even commanding us to fight, if needed. But again: an exhaustive search of the scriptures shows that a "God's Army" made up of mortals isn't part of the storyline for the last days. It's just not there, not in Revelation, not in Daniel, not in Isaiah or Jeremiah or any of the other OT prophets. It's not in the D&C, PGP, or the Book of Mormon. Gog and Magog are just two evil armies. Closest thing I can find is the remnant of Jacob going through as a young lion and tearing assunder - but it doesn't seem like an organized army - just chaos.

Jesus Christ's words are very clear to me in D&C 98. I see no equivocation in His commandment to us.

The end game for the faithful is to eventually vote with their feet and flee to Zion once it is established physically - and not fight. Scriptures are very clear there. And as we know - the pattern is first spiritual, then physical - Zion will be born in people's hearts first, then those people will create it physically. My Brigham Young quote couldn't have made this more clear, I think.

Honestly, we're only arguing over timing - I might be jumping the gun a little too soon by "checking out early". Or maybe I'm inspired. I'll let you know in 20 years, lol...

In due time New Jerusalem will need to be built in order to finally redeem Zion. I define redeeming Zion as sanctifying Israel so that she can become redeemed Zion, or in other words be brought back into Christ's presence as with Enoch and his city.

[Niemand]

The "atomic family" is a demonic teaching - families are meant to expand and encompass society.

The extended family is the natural condition. I think this is what people miss. I've almost no extended family due to the choices relatives of mine made, and I paid for it as a child.

I oppose attacks on the nuclear family by woke people, because of where those are coming from, but it is obvious to me that the nuclear family is part of societal disintegration leading to single parenthood and then complete atomisation. Funny how we never hear greenies complain about this as fewer and fewer people living together puts more pressure on housing and resources... and uses more energy.

[Christianlee]

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... ption.html

“It’s most likely too late to substantially mitigate the real suffering many of us will experience in the coming months by simply casting a vote against the Democrats. Way too much damage has already been done to fully escape it. But if the worst comes to pass --- and it’s not an exaggeration to say that it might --- and this is the final time we can avail ourselves of the electoral prerogatives of a free and relatively prosperous people, then at least by rejecting the promulgators of national suicide we can avoid a small measure of the condemnation future generations will justly heap upon us for allowing our indifference and poor judgment to bring this about.

“If fate has judged the living generations of Americans to be too soft, spoiled and weak to uphold the traditions left to us by our stronger, abler, more committed forefathers, and that consequently everything they’ve handed down to us over these last two and a half centuries is to come crashing down around our incompetent ears, then let’s show that at least there are some of us willing to go down fighting. Let it be an honorable death, not ignominious suicide.”

[HVDC]

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... ption.html

“It’s most likely too late to substantially mitigate the real suffering many of us will experience in the coming months by simply casting a vote against the Democrats. Way too much damage has already been done to fully escape it. But if the worst comes to pass --- and it’s not an exaggeration to say that it might --- and this is the final time we can avail ourselves of the electoral prerogatives of a free and relatively prosperous people, then at least by rejecting the promulgators of national suicide we can avoid a small measure of the condemnation future generations will justly heap upon us for allowing our indifference and poor judgment to bring this about.

“If fate has judged the living generations of Americans to be too soft, spoiled and weak to uphold the traditions left to us by our stronger, abler, more committed forefathers, and that consequently everything they’ve handed down to us over these last two and a half centuries is to come crashing down around our incompetent ears, then let’s show that at least there are some of us willing to go down fighting. Let it be an honorable death, not ignominious suicide.”

Great sentiments

But.

If the current generation of "Americans", meaning White Americans is too weak, it's your Generations fault.

Voting for the lesser of two evils, which is what our system is.

Has only been a lifelong retreat from our values.

Allowing the enemy to take over all of our institutions because we are blinded by religious programming..

And ignorantly siding with them in the false pursuit of fairness.

One Marxist plank at a time.

You, and the generation before you watched as your country continued its downward spiral.

If " we" have any chance to turn things around.

We will need to try a different tack.

Because what you have been doing doesn't work.

And never will.

We didn't vote our way to Independence the first time.

And we won't be doing it this time.

Bravado be damned.

And talk is cheap.

But first.

Let's accurately identify who the enemy is.

Our goals.

And theirs.

And Our allies.

And theirs.

If the past is prologue.

It's probably best not to hold my breath.

Sir H

[lundbaek]

Oh, and the John Birch Society has always been a wholly owned subsidiary of Bankster, INC."

Show us proof of that allegation.

[Niemand]

Oh, and the John Birch Society has always been a wholly owned subsidiary of Bankster, INC."

Show us proof of that allegation.

I don't know if it's true but like McCarthy I think they've gone for the wrong targets sometimes... although they've also highlighted some genuine issues too.

[HVDC]

Oh, and the John Birch Society has always been a wholly owned subsidiary of Bankster, INC."

Show us proof of that allegation.

Fair enough.

I have no actual proof.

Therefore I will delete that sentence.

It is still my conclusion however.

Sir H

[mudflap]

Jimstone, a rumor mill guy, says:

Reality: At the end of election night, "they" will have the final data they need to determine just how much they need to rig things to put the guy who serves the deep state best ahead by the minimum needed, and they will do it even if the actual results were 93 against, 7 for. They have thrown away the plausible safety margins they once adhered to because they know the public will just lay down and die if told to.

Joe Biden did say "don't expect results on election night." (copy machines go "brrrrrrrr"!!!)

...Even though 3rd world countries can count all their votes on election night.