If they steal it, it won't be secretly

[Trucker]

It's hard to definitively say if elections have been stolen in the past. Probably, but it's hard to prove. This time, it's clear. If they steal it, then it means that the majority did not vote for Biden. The voice of the people really did not choose Biden and his agenda.

At this point, the only way Biden wins is through fraud, and everyone can see it. They may pull it off, but we have not been fooled and everyone is aware. That is extremely powerful.

I think Trump actually is going to pull off a win, but even if he doesn't, the people of the US have not been fooled. The majority know what's going on. There actually is pretty good unity on the right. The right has a terrible time being unified.

By openly trying to steal the election, they actually give justification to people to resist. They screwed up, and may have unified the right even if they win. And we are the majority.

[Original_Intent]

LBJ definitely stole his senate race. Someone posted a very good article about it on another thread.

Shenanigans are nothing new in my opinion, but it has gone from rare, edge cases, to blatant and commonplace. The GOP is terrible within the party (which there is no legal recourse over since as a party they can do whatever they want, there is zero legal recourse) but it seems the Dems do equally dirty things in the General elections and with a degree of impunity.

Soon or late, the truth will out....even if it is post mortality. But let's hope this rot can be exposed and all the bad actors punished or at minimum kept from ever holding public office.

[Zathura]

Not-so-secret combinations

[lundbaek]

Sadly, there are Americans (in name only) who would be perfectly happy for Biden and other democrats to win regardless whether or not they won by cheating. The latter-day gadiantons are most anxious to get on with their plans to make the United States into a socialist dictatorship, whatever it takes.

My question now is: Will people resist? Few there be that even know where to begin.

[EmmaLee]

LBJ definitely stole his senate race. Someone posted a very good article about it on another thread.

Shenanigans are nothing new in my opinion, but it has gone from rare, edge cases, to blatant and commonplace. The GOP is terrible within the party (which there is no legal recourse over since as a party they can do whatever they want, there is zero legal recourse) but it seems the Dems do equally dirty things in the General elections and with a degree of impunity.

Soon or late, the truth will out....even if it is post mortality. But let's hope this rot can be exposed and all the bad actors punished or at minimum kept from ever holding public office.

On the "They're Stealing it, Folks" thread -

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Don't Forget LBJ's Election Theft
11/05/2020
by Jacob Hornberger

The mainstream pro-Biden media is poking fun at Donald Trump’s suggestion that there could be fraud involved in the post-election receipt of mail-in ballots. Apparently they’re not familiar with the election-theft case of Lyndon Johnson, who would go on to become president of the United States.

The entire matter is detailed in Robert Caro’s second book in his biographical series on Johnson. The book is entitled Means of Ascent.

Johnson election theft took place in 1948, when he was running for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate against Texas Governor Coke Stevenson, one of the most admired and respected governors in the history of the state.

In the primary election, Stevenson led Johnson by 70,000 votes, but because he didn’t have a majority of the votes, he was forced into a run-off. The run-off was held on a Saturday. On the Sunday morning after the run-off, Stevenson was leading by 854 votes.

As a New York Times review of Caro’s account stated, the day after the run-off election it was “discovered” that the returns of a particular county had not yet been counted. The newly discovered votes were overwhelmingly in favor of Johnson. Then, on Monday more returns came in from the Rio Grande Valley.

Nonetheless, on Tuesday, the State Election Bureau announced that Stevenson had won by 349 votes. Nothing changed on Wednesday and Thursday after the election. On Friday, precincts in the Rio Grande Valley made “corrections” to their tallies, which narrowed Stevenson’s lead to 157.

But also on Friday, Jim Wells County, which was governed as a personal fiefdom by a powerful South Texas rancher named George Parr, filed “amended” returns for what has become famous as “Box 13” that gave Johnson another 200 votes. When all was said and done, Johnson had “won” the election by 87 votes.

It was later discovered that one of Parr’s men had changed the total tally for Johnson from 765 to 965 by simply curling the 7 into a 9.

[Trucker]

LBJ definitely stole his senate race. Someone posted a very good article about it on another thread.

Shenanigans are nothing new in my opinion, but it has gone from rare, edge cases, to blatant and commonplace. The GOP is terrible within the party (which there is no legal recourse over since as a party they can do whatever they want, there is zero legal recourse) but it seems the Dems do equally dirty things in the General elections and with a degree of impunity.

Soon or late, the truth will out....even if it is post mortality. But let's hope this rot can be exposed and all the bad actors punished or at minimum kept from ever holding public office.

On the "They're Stealing it, Folks" thread -

Full article here - https://www.zerohedge.com/political/don ... newsletter

Don't Forget LBJ's Election Theft
11/05/2020
by Jacob Hornberger

The mainstream pro-Biden media is poking fun at Donald Trump’s suggestion that there could be fraud involved in the post-election receipt of mail-in ballots. Apparently they’re not familiar with the election-theft case of Lyndon Johnson, who would go on to become president of the United States.

The entire matter is detailed in Robert Caro’s second book in his biographical series on Johnson. The book is entitled Means of Ascent.

Johnson election theft took place in 1948, when he was running for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate against Texas Governor Coke Stevenson, one of the most admired and respected governors in the history of the state.

In the primary election, Stevenson led Johnson by 70,000 votes, but because he didn’t have a majority of the votes, he was forced into a run-off. The run-off was held on a Saturday. On the Sunday morning after the run-off, Stevenson was leading by 854 votes.

As a New York Times review of Caro’s account stated, the day after the run-off election it was “discovered” that the returns of a particular county had not yet been counted. The newly discovered votes were overwhelmingly in favor of Johnson. Then, on Monday more returns came in from the Rio Grande Valley.

Nonetheless, on Tuesday, the State Election Bureau announced that Stevenson had won by 349 votes. Nothing changed on Wednesday and Thursday after the election. On Friday, precincts in the Rio Grande Valley made “corrections” to their tallies, which narrowed Stevenson’s lead to 157.

But also on Friday, Jim Wells County, which was governed as a personal fiefdom by a powerful South Texas rancher named George Parr, filed “amended” returns for what has become famous as “Box 13” that gave Johnson another 200 votes. When all was said and done, Johnson had “won” the election by 87 votes.

It was later discovered that one of Parr’s men had changed the total tally for Johnson from 765 to 965 by simply curling the 7 into a 9.

Yes I agree on LBJ stealing. How many current conservatives do you think know about that and believe that, compared to how many conservatives think the election is being stole now?

[EmmaLee]

LBJ definitely stole his senate race. Someone posted a very good article about it on another thread.

Shenanigans are nothing new in my opinion, but it has gone from rare, edge cases, to blatant and commonplace. The GOP is terrible within the party (which there is no legal recourse over since as a party they can do whatever they want, there is zero legal recourse) but it seems the Dems do equally dirty things in the General elections and with a degree of impunity.

Soon or late, the truth will out....even if it is post mortality. But let's hope this rot can be exposed and all the bad actors punished or at minimum kept from ever holding public office.

On the "They're Stealing it, Folks" thread -

Full article here - https://www.zerohedge.com/political/don ... newsletter

Don't Forget LBJ's Election Theft
11/05/2020
by Jacob Hornberger

Yes I agree on LBJ stealing. How many current conservatives do you think know about that and believe that, compared to how many conservatives think the election is being stole now?

Probably only those over age 50 (or history buffs) know about the LBJ thing. I think a lot more conservatives think the election is being stolen now, as it's happening now in real-time, in our faces, so of course plenty more are aware of it.

[farmerchick]

I think everyone knows politics is a dirty game....it's hard to think there wasn't cheating on either side.....we can vote for reality show contestants with no problem...but government run elections are able to be manipulated......it's really stupid we don't demand that a high tech system with no back doors be established with checks and balances and transparency.......until that happens....dead people...illegals...and party affiliates can bring votes in if they need them.....illegals vote........if you can establish a drivers license with a utility bill you can vote in the state of Washington.....you don't have to be a citizen to vote.....we have motor voter sign ups.....what can you expect when every foreign national can come here and vote for benefits?......and get them....

[markharr]

If we are being honest our modern day gradation robbers have reached this stage of boldness.

1 And now it came to pass that in the sixteenth year from the coming of Christ, aLachoneus, the governor of the land, received an epistle from the leader and the governor of this band of robbers; and these were the words which were written, saying:

2 Lachoneus, most noble and chief governor of the land, behold, I write this epistle unto you, and do give unto you exceedingly great praise because of your firmness, and also the firmness of your people, in amaintaining that which ye suppose to be your right and bliberty; yea, ye do stand well, as if ye were supported by the hand of a god, in the defence of your liberty, and your property, and your country, or that which ye do call so.

3 And it seemeth a pity unto me, most noble Lachoneus, that ye should be so foolish and vain as to suppose that ye can stand against so many brave men who are at my command, who do now at this time stand in their arms, and do await with great anxiety for the word—Go down upon the Nephites and adestroy them.

4 And I, knowing of their unconquerable spirit, having proved them in the field of battle, and knowing of their everlasting hatred towards you because of the many wrongs which ye have done unto them, therefore if they should come down against you they would visit you with utter destruction.

5 Therefore I have written this epistle, sealing it with mine own hand, feeling for your welfare, because of your firmness in that which ye believe to be right, and your noble spirit in the field of battle.

6 Therefore I write unto you, desiring that ye would yield up unto this my people, your cities, your lands, and your possessions, rather than that they should visit you with the sword and that destruction should come upon you.

7 Or in other words, yield yourselves up unto us, and unite with us and become acquainted with our asecret works, and become our brethren that ye may be like unto us—not our slaves, but our brethren and partners of all our substance.

8 And behold, I aswear unto you, if ye will do this, with an oath, ye shall not be destroyed; but if ye will not do this, I swear unto you with an oath, that on the morrow month I will command that my armies shall come down against you, and they shall not stay their hand and shall spare not, but shall slay you, and shall let fall the sword upon you even until ye shall become extinct.

9 And behold, I am aGiddianhi; and I am the governor of this the bsecret society of Gadianton; which society and the works thereof I know to be cgood; and they are of dancient date and they have been handed down unto us.

10 And I write this epistle unto you, Lachoneus, and I hope that ye will deliver up your lands and your possessions, without the shedding of blood, that this my people may recover their rights and agovernment, who have dissented away from you because of your wickedness in retaining from them their rights of government, and except ye do this, I will avenge their wrongs. I am Giddianhi.

[Trucker]

If we are being honest our modern day gradation robbers have reached this stage of boldness.

1 And now it came to pass that in the sixteenth year from the coming of Christ, aLachoneus, the governor of the land, received an epistle from the leader and the governor of this band of robbers; and these were the words which were written, saying:

2 Lachoneus, most noble and chief governor of the land, behold, I write this epistle unto you, and do give unto you exceedingly great praise because of your firmness, and also the firmness of your people, in amaintaining that which ye suppose to be your right and bliberty; yea, ye do stand well, as if ye were supported by the hand of a god, in the defence of your liberty, and your property, and your country, or that which ye do call so.

3 And it seemeth a pity unto me, most noble Lachoneus, that ye should be so foolish and vain as to suppose that ye can stand against so many brave men who are at my command, who do now at this time stand in their arms, and do await with great anxiety for the word—Go down upon the Nephites and adestroy them.

4 And I, knowing of their unconquerable spirit, having proved them in the field of battle, and knowing of their everlasting hatred towards you because of the many wrongs which ye have done unto them, therefore if they should come down against you they would visit you with utter destruction.

5 Therefore I have written this epistle, sealing it with mine own hand, feeling for your welfare, because of your firmness in that which ye believe to be right, and your noble spirit in the field of battle.

6 Therefore I write unto you, desiring that ye would yield up unto this my people, your cities, your lands, and your possessions, rather than that they should visit you with the sword and that destruction should come upon you.

7 Or in other words, yield yourselves up unto us, and unite with us and become acquainted with our asecret works, and become our brethren that ye may be like unto us—not our slaves, but our brethren and partners of all our substance.

8 And behold, I aswear unto you, if ye will do this, with an oath, ye shall not be destroyed; but if ye will not do this, I swear unto you with an oath, that on the morrow month I will command that my armies shall come down against you, and they shall not stay their hand and shall spare not, but shall slay you, and shall let fall the sword upon you even until ye shall become extinct.

9 And behold, I am aGiddianhi; and I am the governor of this the bsecret society of Gadianton; which society and the works thereof I know to be cgood; and they are of dancient date and they have been handed down unto us.

10 And I write this epistle unto you, Lachoneus, and I hope that ye will deliver up your lands and your possessions, without the shedding of blood, that this my people may recover their rights and agovernment, who have dissented away from you because of your wickedness in retaining from them their rights of government, and except ye do this, I will avenge their wrongs. I am Giddianhi.

Which also identifies them. It's not really a secret anymore.

[EmmaLee]

We'll just carry right on into the 2022 elections, which the Democrats will attempt - and ARE attempting - to steal, as always -

Full article and texts here - https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/03/bo ... 2022-10-31

Bombshell Texts Show Milwaukee Mayor Colluding With Democrats To Rig 2022 Election
BY: M.D. KITTLE
OCTOBER 03, 2022

Texts between city officials and leftist nonprofit workers indicate that the city of Milwaukee is working to “fortify” the 2022 midterms.

We now know that Milwaukee Mayor Cavalier Johnson and his staff are coordinating with Democratic Party operatives in a sweeping get-out-the-vote campaign. Why? Because they tell us in private text messages.

As Empower Wisconsin first reported on Wednesday, communications obtained in an open records request to the city by state Rep. Janel Brandtjen (R-Menomonee Falls) show longtime Democratic Party operative Sachin Chheda telling Johnson and his staff what to say about the Wisconsin Votes 2022 get-out-the-vote campaign. The effort is being funded by a left-wing activist group with close ties to the Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL), a leftist nonprofit funded by Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg.

While city officials, under the direction of Chheda, have said Milwaukee is not receiving any private funding for the effort, two things are clear: The mayor’s office is taking orders from Democratic Party operatives, and the city of Milwaukee is coordinating with left-wing groups in what looks like an expensive effort to influence the outcome of November’s election.

[EmmaLee]

Full article here - https://thefederalist.com/2022/09/30/la ... 2022-10-31

Lawsuit: Wisconsin Elections Commission Let Electors Change Votes After Submitting Ballots
BY: VICTORIA MARSHALL
SEPTEMBER 30, 2022

Restoring Integrity and Trust in Elections (RITE) filed a lawsuit against the Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC) last week over its unlawful guidance allowing absentee voters to change their votes after their ballots are cast.

In an Aug. 1, 2022, memorandum sent to all Wisconsin municipal clerks, WEC instructed that after a voter submits an absentee ballot, he can request to “spoil” that ballot and receive a new one if he changes his mind or makes a mistake. Furthermore, in an Aug. 2 memo, WEC allows clerks to “invalidate” a “spoiled ballot” on behalf of the voter.

Such guidance violates Wisconsin statute, which states that a voter possesses the exclusive authority to spoil his absentee ballot before it is submitted, not after. If the voter spoils his absentee ballot before he casts it, he must return the ballot to the clerk (who then destroys it) and request a new one.

With WEC’s new guidance, however, a clerk may invalidate a “spoiled” ballot on behalf of the voter, thereby increasing the potential for fraud or abuse in the absentee voting process.

During the 2020 election, Wisconsin processed nearly 2 million absentee ballots statewide.

[EmmaLee]

Full article here - https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... -leftwing/

Florida's new election crimes office flags left-wing ballot-harvesting operation in Orlando

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — Florida’s newly created Office of Election Crimes and Security is requesting a criminal investigation into charges of ballot harvesting in Orlando, a Democratic stronghold in the critical swing state.

Cynthia Harris, a Democrat who ran unsuccessfully for District 6 commissioner in Orange County, which includes Orlando, provided a sworn complaint to the election crimes office claiming left-leaning organizations were perpetrating a scheme to encourage residents in black neighborhoods to apply for and fill out mail-in ballots. The complaint said paid canvassers collected and sometimes altered those ballots in violation of state law.

[tribrac]

The Democrats message has been, and will continue to be "Vote like your life depends on it".

This clever slogan was designed to create an urgency among voters while simultaneously removing any moral or ethical hesitation to lie, cheat or commit fraud in voting. After all, wouldn't anyone tell a little harmless lie to save their own life, or the life of their family?

Furthermore, there is segment of the population that wants their leader to be a god. They want him/her to listen to their pleas, provide them with food, shelter and entertainment, dispense justice and mercy and be the decider on what is morally right or wrong. Democrats shape their message to appeal to voters who want a god.

None of this is secret.

[tribrac]

Anyone reading CNN or MSN headlines today???

Headlines are about the dangers of Election deniers to democracy, and Biden threatening election deniers.

Why would that be a headline the week before the election?

[pjbrownie]

I don't think they have the ground game to mule or ballot harvest like they did in 2020. They also have more people looking at the drop boxes, more people checking signatures and dates, and new laws to throttle possible fraud.

If it's going to happen it will be with the machines being hacked.

Thing is, who will do the hacking? If it's the West, they will try to back the Dems. But whereas China was backing Biden in 2020 and they were possibly also hacking machines, some say this time they want the GOP to win. So do the Russians? They think a divided America is better for an imminent WWIII.

[gruden2.0]

Anyone reading CNN or MSN headlines today???

Headlines are about the dangers of Election deniers to democracy, and Biden threatening election deniers.

Why would that be a headline the week before the election?

When Hilary lost to Trump, she was throwing around charges of fraud and hacking. So being an election denier being dangerous depends on which elections one is denying.

[Jamescm]

I remember 2020 clearly; about the first half of the year, everyone (media) was still screaming about RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA. Then sometime during the summer, it conspicuously tapered off in favor of sudden confidence in the election process, and an absolute lack of need for people to doubt or investigate it.