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Dusty Wanderer wrote: October 27th, 2022, 6:24 pm
cyclOps wrote: October 27th, 2022, 6:20 pm
Dusty Wanderer wrote: October 27th, 2022, 5:16 pm In summary, the solution is even less accountability for women.

I didn't think that could be possible, but I hadn't considered that transferring one's personal accountability (as an "adult" human with allegedly functional mental faculties) onto someone else would've been an option. I suppose I just underestimated the depths of self-absorption that one could descend into.
I think the solution is accountability from both men AND women. The way to avoid an unwanted pregnancy has always been to abstain from sex. That takes two, excepting rape.
Agreed. However, the article's position is that the accountability solely rests with the male. Or from the way they posit, that any accountability inherent with the female half, is also the male's accountability. Very odd, indeed.
We need to keep in mind that Eve was enlightened in the fall ....and Adam was the one with a problem. The problem in the Garden was Adam's . The problem today is still Adam because Eve can't make a mistake.

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cyclOps wrote: October 27th, 2022, 6:37 pm
Dusty Wanderer wrote: October 27th, 2022, 6:24 pm
cyclOps wrote: October 27th, 2022, 6:20 pm
Dusty Wanderer wrote: October 27th, 2022, 5:16 pm In summary, the solution is even less accountability for women.

I didn't think that could be possible, but I hadn't considered that transferring one's personal accountability (as an "adult" human with allegedly functional mental faculties) onto someone else would've been an option. I suppose I just underestimated the depths of self-absorption that one could descend into.
I think the solution is accountability from both men AND women. The way to avoid an unwanted pregnancy has always been to abstain from sex. That takes two, excepting rape.
Agreed. However, the article's position is that the accountability solely rests with the male. Or from the way they posit, that any accountability inherent with the female half, is also the male's accountability. Very odd, indeed.
Yeah I obviously think the opinion article takes it too far, from one end of the pendulum to the other.

My opinion is that the pendulum should rest in the middle on this one.
It takes two to tango. Definitely both the man and the woman should be responsible, absent rape or incest.

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Didn't read it, but based on the quotes and comments I wonder if it has escaped attention that this type of argument is the Left's response to a society that has anything less than state sponsored abortions, available on demand, up to the child's 1st birthday.

The discussion and the possible laws proposed surrounding it are intended to drive conservative/religious lawmakers into a narrow corner. Punishment for not supporting abortion.

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Subcomandante wrote: October 27th, 2022, 6:45 pm
cyclOps wrote: October 27th, 2022, 6:37 pm
Dusty Wanderer wrote: October 27th, 2022, 6:24 pm
cyclOps wrote: October 27th, 2022, 6:20 pm

I think the solution is accountability from both men AND women. The way to avoid an unwanted pregnancy has always been to abstain from sex. That takes two, excepting rape.
Agreed. However, the article's position is that the accountability solely rests with the male. Or from the way they posit, that any accountability inherent with the female half, is also the male's accountability. Very odd, indeed.
Yeah I obviously think the opinion article takes it too far, from one end of the pendulum to the other.

My opinion is that the pendulum should rest in the middle on this one.
It takes two to tango. Definitely both the man and the woman should be responsible, absent rape or incest.
Why incest?

Rape can obviously only be the fault of one, but incest?

There’s plenty of consensual incest out there—the fault of two parties.

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If I were a single man today, there is no way I would get married. When I finally accepted I might never get married, I realized how good I had it as a single person. And then I got married. I just don't think you'd be able to find a woman worth marrying these days. Enjoy single life until women wake up. Life as a single male is fantastic. You can do whatever you want whenever you want, you can make lots of money, you can make male friends and have fun and have meaningful conversations. Why roll the dice on a horrible relationship? Women are really good at hiding their bad side until you get married. I can only imagine what it would be like to get married today. :shock: Best of luck.

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If you haven't seen the stats on dating websites you should look into it. Does not bode well for humanity's future. Top 20% of men are sleeping with the top 80% of women. Bottom 80% of men are fighting over the bottom 20% of women. Not healthy and of course the power balance shifts when it goes from sex to commitment. Natures default is for a female to get impregnated by an alpha and then supported by a beta. Beta cuckold wiring is to murder any offspring that aren't his and re-impregnate the female who was recently abandoned by the alpha male. Following our basest mammalian instincts is returning us to that primitive reality. Not to blame animals for even many animals live in more advanced systems then their own lowest instincts.

Social media and dating apps have damaged healthy females as severely arguably more so than porn did to men. Of course these 80% should mostly not include Saints but in obviously is rewiring the the world we live in and taking and luring away a significant margin of our own. I don't think virtue signaling about carbon emissions is going to reverse that. Check out something like the reddit group MGTOW men go their own way. To read about how much hook up culture, no fault divorce, and gratuitous alimony have now made marriage an extremely high risk low reward option for men.

Won't say more on that because a lot of people aren't ready to hear the truth, and I am not here to spend my day arguing with strangers who keep a selective view to maintain their denial of reality. I know we live in a crazy world and many naïve traditionalists are totally blindsided by the world their children live in, so for their benefit I try to serve as a quick 101 guide for their most dangerous blindspots.

I seriously wonder if any earth out of the billions in the galaxy has every survived having the internet. Internet destroys certain advanced cultures just like the introduction of alcohol just destroys certain primitive cultures. Shouldn't we expect more from ourselves than to be just slaves to our mammalian impulses like a wild beast? Apparently such thinking is now heretical ism's,ist's, and phobia's..

May the Lords mercy put this world out of our misery before I have to watch another generation of church kids be gobbled up by the great and spacious building. When most of us were young, we had peers fall away to sex with dating partners, alcohol, and mysticism. What is happening now is weapons grade and makes those old pitfalls seems like quant setbacks.

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The article's not wrong that men have the ultimate say - if a man was adamant against being cajoled into sexual relations, can you see a woman succeeding in pressuring him? With greater physical strength, the responsibility rests with men. This is what used to be taught to young men - they owned the problem of keeping the car safely on the road and applying the brakes as needed. It's men's unique duty to uphold the standards of celibacy before marriage and fidelity afterwards.

Not enough have this ingrained from a young age anymore, though. Instead, the message is 'go as far as she'll allow', or 'What base did you get to?'. Since we have the ultimate ability to control the situation, it will take getting the majority of us to change and start adhering to a set moral standards before our situation will ever turn around. Women will follow when the expectation is raised.

Society needs to support teaching correct values, but I don't think laws should be created to target solely men as a solution as the article suggests.

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nvr wrote: October 29th, 2022, 1:58 am It's men's unique duty to uphold the standards of celibacy before marriage and fidelity afterwards.
Interesting. This is good food for thought. I suppose I agree and I disagree. If this is entirely true, the world needs to show more appreciation to men. If it's the men who largely prevent fidelity from occurring, men need to be appreciated more. This would mean or imply that women, unchecked by men, will gravitate towards fidelity which fuels a weakness that Eve's fall suggests; women seem to be drawn to the forbidden and they will justify it or at least dodge responsibility ("I didn't know who I was", "in order to progress, this needed to happen"). I apologize if I'm saying anything that comes across as being sexist or rude. That isn't my intention. I'm going off examples of things in scripture and commenting on a connection I see with "regular life" behavior.

I think your assessment may be right and it just leaves me feeling disappointed. If you find a good woman, you've found a priceless treasure.

Men are treated like trash and there's a lot to argue that good men are the backbone of a moral society.
Alma 48 wrote: Yea, verily, verily I say unto you, if all men had been, and were, and ever would be, like unto Moroni, behold, the very powers of hell would have been shaken forever; yea, the devil would never have power over the hearts of the children of men.
It's up to us, bros. Say no to the lonely, flirty married women at work. If we love our brothers as ourselves and love our sisters, we can dramatically decrease fidelity, and help society be healthier.

I might get dog-piled on with hate and push-back but perhaps this is why scripture, particularly the Book of Mormon is so male-centered in terms of the gender of the people the stories center on.

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spiritMan wrote: October 27th, 2022, 1:43 pm https://www.deseret.com/2022/10/26/2341 ... r-abortion

What complete rubbish.
It has some interesting ideas. In the end a woman cannot get pregnant unless a man gets her pregnant through sex. Responsibility is needed and the responsibility is on both sides to understand what it means to have a baby.

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While it probably wasn't their intent.

This editorial (because almost every publication is an opinion piece these days reflecting the interests of their owners while pandering to their advertisers; disclaimers notwithstanding)

Is actually saying that women, as a group, are incapable of being responsible for their actions.

Who knew? LOL.

Of course.

Most men already instinctly know this but learn pretty early on, starting with daddies deferment to mommy and all of the other females in their lives, that to express that sentiment is to be banished from society.

Gee, who knew that Cads use flattery to obtain female favors.

While the would be Dads, let's call them the "Sads", shrink from such obvious dishonesty and fall further behind.

Revelation it 'tis.

Meanwhile, and never discussed in polite company.

Having been freed from legal "oppression".

Such as being forbidden to own property, engage in politics and choose a mate.

Women now have the right to Smoke, Vote, and openly Fornicate.

Yay!

However.

A pendulum swings both ways.

And there is a price for everything.

Thusly.

Unfortunately.

The Ladies have lost their natural protections given to them by Virtue, Chastity, and Grace, ect.

All of the Femine Behaviours and Traits which demanded male obeisance and the extension of protections.

To join the men in becoming enslaved by the enticements of license.

"Freedom, Fraternity, Brotherhood"

Morphed into "Justice, Equality, Inclusion"

All Bankster Slogans which bind and enslave the unwary.

So, in my opinion.

What we are actually witnessing.

Is the realtime reenactment.

Of Eves beguiling.

But this time.

Adam is staying home.

Entertaining himself.

Which is also fine with the Banksters.

They profit from the four horsemen of apocalypse don't ya know.

Are you ready to give up your favourite lies yet?

I see no sign of that occurring.

Have fun then.

I will.

Sir H

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zionssuburb wrote: October 27th, 2022, 2:49 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: October 27th, 2022, 2:41 pm WT....?

"Indeed, in a recent survey of U.S. college students, 40% said they had participated in the choking of a sex partner, despite the potential for permanent brain damage and even death from the practice."
If you haven't been paying attention to the YSA dating scene, it's horrific, particularly around the Wasatch front... Women report that they are commonly asked, 'how Mormon are you' because all these RM's want is some kind of sex - no commitment, no intention to date, no intention to marry. The Mutual app is basically a 'hook-up' app. The entire system is dysfunctional because of porn, it's killing our Men!
Why do men turn to porn? Do the way the women in their lives behave play any role in it?

Genuinely curious. I just had a weird experience where I realized people talk to me about anything and everything, *except* this. That had never occurred to me before…

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The entire point of the article is that women are not in control of their own bodies. Lol.

She wants it both ways. The sexual liberation, but none of the responsibility.

The Q15 have lost their minds.

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BuriedTartaria wrote: October 29th, 2022, 6:27 am
nvr wrote: October 29th, 2022, 1:58 am It's men's unique duty to uphold the standards of celibacy before marriage and fidelity afterwards.
Interesting. This is good food for thought. I suppose I agree and I disagree. If this is entirely true, the world needs to show more appreciation to men. If it's the men who largely prevent fidelity from occurring, men need to be appreciated more. This would mean or imply that women, unchecked by men, will gravitate towards fidelity which fuels a weakness that Eve's fall suggests; women seem to be drawn to the forbidden and they will justify it or at least dodge responsibility ("I didn't know who I was", "in order to progress, this needed to happen"). I apologize if I'm saying anything that comes across as being sexist or rude. That isn't my intention. I'm going off examples of things in scripture and commenting on a connection I see with "regular life" behavior.

I think your assessment may be right and it just leaves me feeling disappointed. If you find a good woman, you've found a priceless treasure.

Men are treated like trash and there's a lot to argue that good men are the backbone of a moral society.
Alma 48 wrote: Yea, verily, verily I say unto you, if all men had been, and were, and ever would be, like unto Moroni, behold, the very powers of hell would have been shaken forever; yea, the devil would never have power over the hearts of the children of men.
It's up to us, bros. Say no to the lonely, flirty married women at work. If we love our brothers as ourselves and love our sisters, we can dramatically decrease fidelity, and help society be healthier.

I might get dog-piled on with hate and push-back but perhaps this is why scripture, particularly the Book of Mormon is so male-centered in terms of the gender of the people the stories center on.
You might say it's up to men, but some men just aren't going to do it. So it's also up to the women. It might be heretical, but it seems like everyone is responsible for themselves.

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Sometimes I wonder about the impact of Wendy Nelson, Sharon Eubank, Sheri Dew and Sis. Oaks on the brethren.

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endlessismyname wrote: October 29th, 2022, 7:32 am
zionssuburb wrote: October 27th, 2022, 2:49 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: October 27th, 2022, 2:41 pm WT....?

"Indeed, in a recent survey of U.S. college students, 40% said they had participated in the choking of a sex partner, despite the potential for permanent brain damage and even death from the practice."
If you haven't been paying attention to the YSA dating scene, it's horrific, particularly around the Wasatch front... Women report that they are commonly asked, 'how Mormon are you' because all these RM's want is some kind of sex - no commitment, no intention to date, no intention to marry. The Mutual app is basically a 'hook-up' app. The entire system is dysfunctional because of porn, it's killing our Men!
Why do men turn to porn? Do the way the women in their lives behave play any role in it?

Genuinely curious. I just had a weird experience where I realized people talk to me about anything and everything, *except* this. That had never occurred to me before…
I think many men turn to porn because they aren't having the kind of sex and the frequency they want. This is often just sex drives that aren't compatible, it's also because women hear messages that duty sex is wrong, and men should just deal. I think that we get married and start having children soon, and quickly, I mean a woman in our church can be pregnant 4 of the first 7 years of their marriages and some sex lives never fully recover from that.

But, this problem isn't one of why MEN turn to sex after they are married, but the dating scene, it's boys who haven't fully developed who watch porn. It's sexting, it's sending nudes, it's seeing sex in porn as what sex in marriage is. Also, porn now satisfies young unmarried men when they don't have a sexual partner in marriage, they can wait longer to marry, they don't try as hard to go on dates, or grow up and commit because their biological imperative is being met without dating to marriage.

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Rubicon wrote: October 27th, 2022, 4:11 pm
zionssuburb wrote: October 27th, 2022, 2:49 pm
If you haven't been paying attention to the YSA dating scene, it's horrific, particularly around the Wasatch front... Women report that they are commonly asked, 'how Mormon are you' because all these RM's want is some kind of sex - no commitment, no intention to date, no intention to marry. The Mutual app is basically a 'hook-up' app. The entire system is dysfunctional because of porn, it's killing our Men!
What's sad is that women hold all the cards with this. If they refused to give in and give these worthless guys what they want (and most of them offer nothing in return --- it's really a matter of giving away very valuable and precious things for nothing in return).

There are economic principles at play. As men continue to have less and less of a presence in post-high school education and work (making women comprise more and more of the "market share" --- I think it's something like a 65%-35% disparity in colleges), women are settling for absolute jokes of specimens of men. It's definitely a "seller's market" from the perspective of the men --- they get sex without having to provide, excel, or really even give any benefits at all just through the sheer imbalance of numbers. If women put their foot down and insisted on men who act and treat them how they should be treated, it would bring about a revolution. But, too many give these worthless men what they want for nothing in return.
Sounds like you're blaming the men for a problem that is likely and exactly 50/50.

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We need to go back to this:

https://youtu.be/Lif-o4SA_Yc

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Dusty Wanderer wrote: October 27th, 2022, 6:24 pm
cyclOps wrote: October 27th, 2022, 6:20 pm
Dusty Wanderer wrote: October 27th, 2022, 5:16 pm In summary, the solution is even less accountability for women.

I didn't think that could be possible, but I hadn't considered that transferring one's personal accountability (as an "adult" human with allegedly functional mental faculties) onto someone else would've been an option. I suppose I just underestimated the depths of self-absorption that one could descend into.
I think the solution is accountability from both men AND women. The way to avoid an unwanted pregnancy has always been to abstain from sex. That takes two, excepting rape.
Agreed. However, the article's position is that the accountability solely rests with the male. Or from the way they posit, that any accountability inherent with the female half, is also the male's accountability. Very odd, indeed.
Exactly. They're not responsible for anything, including the aborting of the result.

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zionssuburb wrote: October 29th, 2022, 11:17 am
endlessismyname wrote: October 29th, 2022, 7:32 am
zionssuburb wrote: October 27th, 2022, 2:49 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: October 27th, 2022, 2:41 pm WT....?

"Indeed, in a recent survey of U.S. college students, 40% said they had participated in the choking of a sex partner, despite the potential for permanent brain damage and even death from the practice."
If you haven't been paying attention to the YSA dating scene, it's horrific, particularly around the Wasatch front... Women report that they are commonly asked, 'how Mormon are you' because all these RM's want is some kind of sex - no commitment, no intention to date, no intention to marry. The Mutual app is basically a 'hook-up' app. The entire system is dysfunctional because of porn, it's killing our Men!
Why do men turn to porn? Do the way the women in their lives behave play any role in it?

Genuinely curious. I just had a weird experience where I realized people talk to me about anything and everything, *except* this. That had never occurred to me before…
I think many men turn to porn because they aren't having the kind of sex and the frequency they want. This is often just sex drives that aren't compatible, it's also because women hear messages that duty sex is wrong, and men should just deal. I think that we get married and start having children soon, and quickly, I mean a woman in our church can be pregnant 4 of the first 7 years of their marriages and some sex lives never fully recover from that.

But, this problem isn't one of why MEN turn to sex after they are married, but the dating scene, it's boys who haven't fully developed who watch porn. It's sexting, it's sending nudes, it's seeing sex in porn as what sex in marriage is. Also, porn now satisfies young unmarried men when they don't have a sexual partner in marriage, they can wait longer to marry, they don't try as hard to go on dates, or grow up and commit because their biological imperative is being met without dating to marriage.
Nobody’s forcing men to turn to pornography. What’s interesting is once a man starts living a clean, productive life, things begin to fall in place for him. If he’s patient, he eventually attracts the kind of upstanding moral woman that equals ideal wife material.
The problem of unmet expectations after marriage is solved by premarital marriage counseling , preferably with a regular Christian counselor who can speak authoritatively about traditional, biblical husband and wife roles and regular counseling when needed after.

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LDS Physician wrote: October 29th, 2022, 1:40 pm
Sounds like you're blaming the men for a problem that is likely and exactly 50/50.
What makes you say that? I thought I was clear that both young men and young women are at fault. While there are things young men can do to fight the trends, young women's enabling them would make the problems go away just like that. Similar to how enough people refusing to use illicit drugs would crater the narcotics trade.

I agree with you that the problem is close to a 50/50 split in terms of blame.

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BYU participated in a study/ survey a decade or so ago, and found LDS young women were having premarital sex more often than LDS young men. I’m wondering where those numbers lie now.

Females have always been the keepers of sexuality. It is why female sexuality was more highly guarded in past cultures.

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hedgehog wrote: October 29th, 2022, 1:23 am If you haven't seen the stats on dating websites you should look into it. Does not bode well for humanity's future. Top 20% of men are sleeping with the top 80% of women. Bottom 80% of men are fighting over the bottom 20% of women. Not healthy and of course the power balance shifts when it goes from sex to commitment. Natures default is for a female to get impregnated by an alpha and then supported by a beta. Beta cuckold wiring is to murder any offspring that aren't his and re-impregnate the female who was recently abandoned by the alpha male. Following our basest mammalian instincts is returning us to that primitive reality. Not to blame animals for even many animals live in more advanced systems then their own lowest instincts.

Social media and dating apps have damaged healthy females as severely arguably more so than porn did to men. Of course these 80% should mostly not include Saints but in obviously is rewiring the the world we live in and taking and luring away a significant margin of our own. I don't think virtue signaling about carbon emissions is going to reverse that. Check out something like the reddit group MGTOW men go their own way. To read about how much hook up culture, no fault divorce, and gratuitous alimony have now made marriage an extremely high risk low reward option for men.

Won't say more on that because a lot of people aren't ready to hear the truth, and I am not here to spend my day arguing with strangers who keep a selective view to maintain their denial of reality. I know we live in a crazy world and many naïve traditionalists are totally blindsided by the world their children live in, so for their benefit I try to serve as a quick 101 guide for their most dangerous blindspots.

I seriously wonder if any earth out of the billions in the galaxy has every survived having the internet. Internet destroys certain advanced cultures just like the introduction of alcohol just destroys certain primitive cultures. Shouldn't we expect more from ourselves than to be just slaves to our mammalian impulses like a wild beast? Apparently such thinking is now heretical ism's,ist's, and phobia's..

May the Lords mercy put this world out of our misery before I have to watch another generation of church kids be gobbled up by the great and spacious building. When most of us were young, we had peers fall away to sex with dating partners, alcohol, and mysticism. What is happening now is weapons grade and makes those old pitfalls seems like quant setbacks.

This is an amazing post. Fantastic assessment of the hell we have found ourselves in. I bolded some of my favorite excerpts from your comments. I know I sound like a broken record here, but our society is rotten. It's beyond saving, aside from a divine pruning occurring.

pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: October 29th, 2022, 10:35 pm

Females have always been the keepers of sexuality. It is why female sexuality was more highly guarded in past cultures.
No surprise on this. I was saying this 15 years ago; LDS men have the porn problem, LDS women have the abstinence problem. As has been cited by many in this thread, a decent looking girl seeking fun has a much easier time finding sexual relations than a decent looking man seeking after the same thing. When you are a decent looking girl, essentially any promiscuous guy will be happy to oblige. When you're a decent looking guy, promiscuous women can find better looking men and women looking for something serious won't be interested in your thirst for fun. Not that the man should be given his lustful desires, but it's easy to see why the abstinence issue falls more on women.

harakim wrote: October 29th, 2022, 9:37 am
You might say it's up to men, but some men just aren't going to do it. So it's also up to the women. It might be heretical, but it seems like everyone is responsible for themselves.
You're right.

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I think the article makes a good point that the male factor isn’t really ever discussed with abortion. The pro-life people go back to conception but stop there.

What about the man and where he’s choosing to put his seed? That’s a conscious choice and men should be in control of themselves. But when it is too late, the woman alone must bear the consequences. Men need to take responsibility long before, but we need a society that is going to value and teach that rather than openly cheer it on.

Remember how Joseph in Egypt didn’t give in to Potiphar’s wife.

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oneClimbs wrote: October 30th, 2022, 12:05 am I think the article makes a good point that the male factor isn’t really ever discussed with abortion. The pro-life people go back to conception but stop there.

What about the man and where he’s choosing to put his seed? That’s a conscious choice and men should be in control of themselves. But when it is too late, the woman alone must bear the consequences. Men need to take responsibility long before, but we need a society that is going to value and teach that rather than openly cheer it on.

Remember how Joseph in Egypt didn’t give in to Potiphar’s wife.
Where do you live that women alone bear the consequences?

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oneClimbs wrote: October 30th, 2022, 12:05 am I think the article makes a good point that the male factor isn’t really ever discussed with abortion. The pro-life people go back to conception but stop there.

What about the man and where he’s choosing to put his seed? That’s a conscious choice and men should be in control of themselves. But when it is too late, the woman alone must bear the consequences. Men need to take responsibility long before, but we need a society that is going to value and teach that rather than openly cheer it on.

Remember how Joseph in Egypt didn’t give in to Potiphar’s wife.
Child support says hello!

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