All is well in Zion

[Christianlee]

In a recent General Conference, Elder Dieter Uchtdorf said, “My dear friends, if the Savior were standing here today, He would express His endless love for you, His complete confidence in you. He would tell you that you can do this.
“You can build a joyful, happy life because Jesus Christ is your strength. You can find confidence, peace, safety, happiness, and belonging now and eternally, because you will find all of it in Jesus Christ, in His gospel, in His Church.”

Thoughts?

[EmmaLee]

The same 'feel good', all is well, Pablum we get from all of them lately. While what he says is technically true (except the "in His Church" part, as we certainly found out over the last couple of years), it's nothing we haven't heard a million times, and it's nothing you couldn't hear from any Christian preacher.

As for Uchtdorf, I have zero confidence in him as a person anymore, let alone as an alleged apostle, and therefore, cannot give credence to anything he says on any subject. IMO, he should be very careful about attempting to speak for Jesus Christ (taking the Lord's name in vain), as he does here - as he has no idea what the Savior would say to any of us if he were standing by us.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Philosophies of men, mingled with scripture.

[madvin]

Alcoholics anonymous comes to mind.

[InfoWarrior82]

16 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.

17 They say still unto them that despise me, The Lord hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the Lord, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?

19 Behold, a whirlwind of the Lord is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.

20 The anger of the Lord shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.

23 Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off?

24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.

25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.

26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord.

29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the Lord, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.

32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the Lord.

33 ¶ And when this people, or the prophet, or a priest, shall ask thee, saying, What is the burden of the Lord? thou shalt then say unto them, What burden? I will even forsake you, saith the Lord.

34 And as for the prophet, and the priest, and the people, that shall say, The burden of the Lord, I will even punish that man and his house.

35 Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbour, and every one to his brother, What hath the Lord answered? and, What hath the Lord spoken?

36 And the burden of the Lord shall ye mention no more: for every man’s word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the Lord of hosts our God.

37 Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath the Lord answered thee? and, What hath the Lord spoken?

38 But since ye say, The burden of the Lord; therefore thus saith the Lord; Because ye say this word, The burden of the Lord, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the Lord;

39 Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence:

40 And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.

[Subcomandante]

The same 'feel good', all is well, Pablum we get from all of them lately. While what he says is technically true (except the "in His Church" part, as we certainly found out over the last couple of years), it's nothing we haven't heard a million times, and it's nothing you couldn't hear from any Christian preacher.

As for Uchtdorf, I have zero confidence in him as a person anymore, let alone as an alleged apostle, and therefore, cannot give credence to anything he says on any subject. IMO, he should be very careful about attempting to speak for Jesus Christ (taking the Lord's name in vain), as he does here - as he has no idea what the Savior would say to any of us if he were standing by us.

He'd have more idea than ANY of us on this board, myself included, by virtue of his calling.

[Reluctant Watchman]

He'd have more idea than ANY of us on this board, myself included, by virtue of his calling.

Do you realize how much doctrine, taught by Christ, you just offended?

[FrankOne]

In a recent General Conference, Elder Dieter Uchtdorf said, “My dear friends, if the Savior were standing here today, He would express His endless love for you, His complete confidence in you. He would tell you that you can do this.
“You can build a joyful, happy life because Jesus Christ is your strength. You can find confidence, peace, safety, happiness, and belonging now and eternally, because you will find all of it in Jesus Christ, in His gospel, in His Church.”

Thoughts?

The Q15 have been talking about Christ in this manner for quite some time now and for me, it's a smoke screen of sorts.

Why do I say that?

because of what they are doing, not what they are saying. They need to follow up after saying beautiful words like that with the other half of their agenda.

"and, if you believe that Christ wouldn't give vaxes to children, then you are wrong. If your inspiration goes against what we are advising, then you are listening to evil spirits". "Christ is talking to us, not you". "If you believe that Christ wouldn't be a good global citizen, then you are following the Devil"

[EmmaLee]

The same 'feel good', all is well, Pablum we get from all of them lately. While what he says is technically true (except the "in His Church" part, as we certainly found out over the last couple of years), it's nothing we haven't heard a million times, and it's nothing you couldn't hear from any Christian preacher.

As for Uchtdorf, I have zero confidence in him as a person anymore, let alone as an alleged apostle, and therefore, cannot give credence to anything he says on any subject. IMO, he should be very careful about attempting to speak for Jesus Christ (taking the Lord's name in vain), as he does here - as he has no idea what the Savior would say to any of us if he were standing by us.

He'd have more idea than ANY of us on this board, myself included, by virtue of his calling.

The level of wrong you are is.... off the charts and into the next galaxy. It's sad that you worship these men of flesh who have zero fruits of actually being PSR's. The Holy Ghost tells me far and away more about me and my life and the Savior's dealings with me and my life, than any of these pretenders could on their most inspired day, and it's utterly blasphemous for you to suggest otherwise. Geez, even for you, Samizdat, this was beyond bad.

[lundbaek]

All is well in Zion, eh what? Those murderous combinations that Moroni warned us about in The Book of Ether, and that President Boyd K. Packer warned us about in the August 2010 Ensign are getting ever more above us. The Lord Jesus the Christ, Latter-day prophets and apostles have given us instructions that, if followed by lots more Church members, would have, I believe, frustrated the globalists' plans to establish a single, centralized, world-wide socialist dictatorship governed by scheming men and women who plan to gain total control over all the earth's resources: human resources, natural resources, agricultural resources, industrial/manufacturing resources, economic/financial resources, intellectual resources, educational resources, etc., and to control the lives of people like us for their convenience. The large majority Latter-day Saints have ignored those instructions, even the things we were told we "must" do. And all is well in Zion, eh what?

[Christianlee]

I agree that Christ would express His love for us, but not until he called most of us to repentance to one degree or another. We have a tendency to view Christ as our buddy in the sky rather than God who overturned the tables in the temple. Most of us need to have some of our tables overturned. I don’t think even an apostle can speak to what Christ would tell us individually. Or even what Christ would tell them.

[Christianlee]

All is well in Zion, eh what? Those murderous combinations that Moroni warned us about in The Book of Ether, and that President Boyd K. Packer warned us about in the August 2010 Ensign are getting ever more above us. The Lord Jesus the Christ, Latter-day prophets and apostles have given us instructions that, if followed by lots more Church members, would have, I believe, frustrated the globalists' plans to establish a single, centralized, world-wide socialist dictatorship governed by scheming men and women who plan to gain total control over all the earth's resources: human resources, natural resources, agricultural resources, industrial/manufacturing resources, economic/financial resources, intellectual resources, educational resources, etc., and to control the lives of people like us for their convenience. The large majority Latter-day Saints have ignored those instructions, even the things we were told we "must" do. And all is well in Zion, eh what?

It seems in the last few years the leaders have ignored previous leaders and have signed the Church up for the globalist order. They are more like Pope Francis than Ezra Taft Benson. It would be interesting to know what Jesus would say to them. I do not presume to know.

[BeNotDeceived]

He'd have more idea than ANY of us on this board, myself included, by virtue of his calling.

Do you realize how much doctrine, taught by Christ, you just offended?

His calling is a figment of a figment …

Nauvoo Temple, but not House. dbnp

[Artaxerxes]

In a recent General Conference, Elder Dieter Uchtdorf said, “My dear friends, if the Savior were standing here today, He would express His endless love for you, His complete confidence in you. He would tell you that you can do this.
“You can build a joyful, happy life because Jesus Christ is your strength. You can find confidence, peace, safety, happiness, and belonging now and eternally, because you will find all of it in Jesus Christ, in His gospel, in His Church.”

Thoughts?

We can't build a happy life with Jesus Christ?

[Christianlee]

In a recent General Conference, Elder Dieter Uchtdorf said, “My dear friends, if the Savior were standing here today, He would express His endless love for you, His complete confidence in you. He would tell you that you can do this.
“You can build a joyful, happy life because Jesus Christ is your strength. You can find confidence, peace, safety, happiness, and belonging now and eternally, because you will find all of it in Jesus Christ, in His gospel, in His Church.”

Thoughts?

We can't build a happy life with Jesus Christ?

The term “happy” is simply feel good language that is somewhat meaningless. Having said that I don’t question the use of the term happy as much as I question Uchtdorf’s assumption that Christ would not call us to repentance. Uchtdorf’s statement reeks of the sin of presumption and may even approach the sin of pride. Uchtdorf is putting words in Christ’s mouth that may not be appropriate.

[Christianlee]

It is not the role of the Church to increase our self-esteem. It is the role of the Church to help us recognize our reliance upon Christ.

[David13]

In a recent General Conference, Elder Dieter Uchtdorf said, “My dear friends, if the Savior were standing here today, He would express His endless love for you, His complete confidence in you. He would tell you that you can do this.
“You can build a joyful, happy life because Jesus Christ is your strength. You can find confidence, peace, safety, happiness, and belonging now and eternally, because you will find all of it in Jesus Christ, in His gospel, in His Church.”

Thoughts?

Yes, true.

Except for the dreaded covids. Whereby they throw the whole thing out the window, and you hide in your house, and keep a rag over your snoot at all times, and get injected with profit oriented pharmaceutical conglomerates as soon as their cooked up concoction is made available, without any testing, which testing isn't needed, as it's just a formality, and the real test is what it does to you. You game?
dc

[Artaxerxes]

In a recent General Conference, Elder Dieter Uchtdorf said, “My dear friends, if the Savior were standing here today, He would express His endless love for you, His complete confidence in you. He would tell you that you can do this.
“You can build a joyful, happy life because Jesus Christ is your strength. You can find confidence, peace, safety, happiness, and belonging now and eternally, because you will find all of it in Jesus Christ, in His gospel, in His Church.”

Thoughts?

We can't build a happy life with Jesus Christ?

The term “happy” is simply feel good language that is somewhat meaningless. Having said that I don’t question the use of the term happy as much as I question Uchtdorf’s assumption that Christ would not call us to repentance. Uchtdorf’s statement reeks of the sin of presumption and may even approach the sin of pride. Uchtdorf is putting words in Christ’s mouth that may not be appropriate.

I certainly don't think it's meaningless. God wants you to be happy, and it is what happens when you keep the commandments.

Mosiah 2:41
And moreover, I would desire that ye should consider on the blessed and happy state of those that keep the commandments of God.

John 13:17
If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

1 Peter 3:14
But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

What words did he put in the Lord's mouth? Did the Lord not promise happiness to his people?

[Hosh]

In a recent General Conference, Elder Dieter Uchtdorf said, “My dear friends, if the Savior were standing here today, He would express His endless love for you, His complete confidence in you. He would tell you that you can do this.
“You can build a joyful, happy life because Jesus Christ is your strength. You can find confidence, peace, safety, happiness, and belonging now and eternally, because you will find all of it in Jesus Christ, in His gospel, in His Church.”

Thoughts?

We can't build a happy life with Jesus Christ?

The term “happy” is simply feel good language that is somewhat meaningless. Having said that I don’t question the use of the term happy as much as I question Uchtdorf’s assumption that Christ would not call us to repentance. Uchtdorf’s statement reeks of the sin of presumption and may even approach the sin of pride. Uchtdorf is putting words in Christ’s mouth that may not be appropriate.

I certainly don't think it's meaningless. God wants you to be happy, and it is what happens when you keep the commandments.

Mosiah 2:41
And moreover, I would desire that ye should consider on the blessed and happy state of those that keep the commandments of God.

John 13:17
If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

1 Peter 3:14
But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

What words did he put in the Lord's mouth? Did the Lord not promise happiness to his people?

-Keep the "commandments of God"
-Happy if you do "these things"
-Suffering for "righteousness" sake

How would you define the "commandments of God"?

What are "these things" that the Lord was referring to in John 13?

What is righteousness?

You are right that the Lord promises happiness to His people. But who are "His people"?

[Artaxerxes]

We can't build a happy life with Jesus Christ?

The term “happy” is simply feel good language that is somewhat meaningless. Having said that I don’t question the use of the term happy as much as I question Uchtdorf’s assumption that Christ would not call us to repentance. Uchtdorf’s statement reeks of the sin of presumption and may even approach the sin of pride. Uchtdorf is putting words in Christ’s mouth that may not be appropriate.

I certainly don't think it's meaningless. God wants you to be happy, and it is what happens when you keep the commandments.

Mosiah 2:41
And moreover, I would desire that ye should consider on the blessed and happy state of those that keep the commandments of God.

John 13:17
If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

1 Peter 3:14
But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

What words did he put in the Lord's mouth? Did the Lord not promise happiness to his people?

-Keep the "commandments of God"
-Happy if you do "these things"
-Suffering for "righteousness" sake

How would you define the "commandments of God"?

What are "these things" that the Lord was referring to in John 13?

What is righteousness?

You are right that the Lord promises happiness to His people. But who are "His people"?

Commandments of God are the things that God says to do.

"These things" is serving others.

Righteousness is keeping the commandments.

His people are those who have taken upon them His name.

[Luke]

The term “happy” is simply feel good language that is somewhat meaningless. Having said that I don’t question the use of the term happy as much as I question Uchtdorf’s assumption that Christ would not call us to repentance. Uchtdorf’s statement reeks of the sin of presumption and may even approach the sin of pride. Uchtdorf is putting words in Christ’s mouth that may not be appropriate.

I certainly don't think it's meaningless. God wants you to be happy, and it is what happens when you keep the commandments.

Mosiah 2:41
And moreover, I would desire that ye should consider on the blessed and happy state of those that keep the commandments of God.

John 13:17
If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

1 Peter 3:14
But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

What words did he put in the Lord's mouth? Did the Lord not promise happiness to his people?

-Keep the "commandments of God"
-Happy if you do "these things"
-Suffering for "righteousness" sake

How would you define the "commandments of God"?

What are "these things" that the Lord was referring to in John 13?

What is righteousness?

You are right that the Lord promises happiness to His people. But who are "His people"?

Commandments of God are the things that God says to do.

"These things" is serving others.

Righteousness is keeping the commandments.

His people are those who have taken upon them His name.

Happiness is not the end goal, it is a byproduct of our progression.

[Christianlee]

I went back to find the original talk. It can be found here:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... f?lang=eng

The entire talk does talk about repentance. I was led astray by someone who pulled this quote and was quoting it on social media without any reference to the original talk. I did the same thing and so I apologize. We need to be careful about just quoting a snippet of a talk because it can lead to the wrong conclusions.

[Christianlee]

In a recent General Conference, Elder Dieter Uchtdorf said, “My dear friends, if the Savior were standing here today, He would express His endless love for you, His complete confidence in you. He would tell you that you can do this.
“You can build a joyful, happy life because Jesus Christ is your strength. You can find confidence, peace, safety, happiness, and belonging now and eternally, because you will find all of it in Jesus Christ, in His gospel, in His Church.”

Thoughts?

We can't build a happy life with Jesus Christ?

The term “happy” is simply feel good language that is somewhat meaningless. Having said that I don’t question the use of the term happy as much as I question Uchtdorf’s assumption that Christ would not call us to repentance. Uchtdorf’s statement reeks of the sin of presumption and may even approach the sin of pride. Uchtdorf is putting words in Christ’s mouth that may not be appropriate.

I certainly don't think it's meaningless. God wants you to be happy, and it is what happens when you keep the commandments.

Mosiah 2:41
And moreover, I would desire that ye should consider on the blessed and happy state of those that keep the commandments of God.

John 13:17
If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

1 Peter 3:14
But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

What words did he put in the Lord's mouth? Did the Lord not promise happiness to his people?

I think to our generation the more appropriate message comes from Alma 4:10, “wickedness never was happiness.” Unfortunately, the spirit of the age defines happiness as doing what feels good.

[hedgehog]

Re how would God treat us? I also had my own issue with parental attitudes that left me a real blindspot to understanding God. I truly did not understand why God would forgive us for knowingly sinning. That he would be fed up and angry at me and be certain he can no longer trust me. ...... Until I had my own children.

Now as a parent I feel much closer to understanding him (by design), I love my kids. I expect them to fail, that is why I am here. Their bad decisions, sins, etc don't make me angry at them unless they are hurting others. Their flaws don't make me feel like a failure as a father or as a person. Actually Its how i respond to their sins that makes me feel like a good or poor father.

Did I show faith and trust in them? Did I teach them correct gospel principles and help them understand the pieces of good, evil, and consequences that were involved? Instead of acting like, "oh i knew you would disappoint me, look how you have embarrassed and failed me" like my father did. Instead I try to react the way I learned the spirit reacts with me. Positive support. Harboring no petty resentment. Instead focus on helping move ever upward and onward. To stop watering the weeds and start watering the crops in my life.

[Subcomandante]

We can't build a happy life with Jesus Christ?

The term “happy” is simply feel good language that is somewhat meaningless. Having said that I don’t question the use of the term happy as much as I question Uchtdorf’s assumption that Christ would not call us to repentance. Uchtdorf’s statement reeks of the sin of presumption and may even approach the sin of pride. Uchtdorf is putting words in Christ’s mouth that may not be appropriate.

I certainly don't think it's meaningless. God wants you to be happy, and it is what happens when you keep the commandments.

Mosiah 2:41
And moreover, I would desire that ye should consider on the blessed and happy state of those that keep the commandments of God.

John 13:17
If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

1 Peter 3:14
But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

What words did he put in the Lord's mouth? Did the Lord not promise happiness to his people?

-Keep the "commandments of God"
-Happy if you do "these things"
-Suffering for "righteousness" sake

How would you define the "commandments of God"?

What are "these things" that the Lord was referring to in John 13?

What is righteousness?

You are right that the Lord promises happiness to His people. But who are "His people"?

God's people are those who have taken upon themselves covenants to follow Him all the way to the ends of the earth. Those who proudly wear titles such as "Son of God, Son of the Covenant, Disciple of Jesus Christ."

It seems that many here wish that the second requisite weren't there. In that way they justify not paying tithing because somebody else in the Church uses his calling unrighteously to divert sacred resources into his pet projects. They justify leaving the Church because their favorite gospel hobbies are not mentioned or are given only fleeting mention in a conference. They'll look at the prophets and call them darkened while they'll go to another person and call them a prophet because they want him or her to be right because they say tickling things to the ears, then double down when they are wrong. Others are deceived by spirits that try to justify them in these things.

Sure, the Malachi tithing part is focused on the priests for misapplying the tithing that has been brought to the storehouse. But where did the materials that were in the storehouse come from?