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This is news to me. Digesting this, but thought I would share. Any insights anyone has are welcome of course.

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ARTICLE 1:
Israel Strikes Major Deal to Bolster Europe's Oil and Gas Supplies
BY BRENDAN COLE ON 10/11/22 AT 9:26 AM EDT

Israel and Lebanon have agreed to a draft deal to end a decades-long dispute over the control of an eastern stretch of the Mediterranean Sea.

Leaders from the two countries, which have no direct official relations, expressed hope that there can be ratification of the deal, which settles their exclusive economic zones and demarcates where each country has the sole right to extract resources.

The disputed area includes the Karish oil and gas field and a region known as the Qanaa prospect. Israel has said it would start extracting oil and gas from Karish and export it to Europe.

Israeli Prime Minister Yair Lapid said it was a "historic achievement" that will "strengthen Israel's security, inject billions into Israel's economy and ensure the stability of our northern border."

ARTICLE 2:

Russia-Ukraine war: Israel says it will uphold sanctions against Moscow
Israel has so far not joined the sanctions in an apparent bid to avoid confrontation with Russia's president

Lapid visited Romania before arriving in Slovakia, both of which border Ukraine, and spoke to leaders in both countries about Russia’s invasion as well as bilateral relations with Israel (AFP)
By MEE and agencies
Published date: 14 March 2022 12:19 UTC | Last update: 7 months 1 week ago
Israeli Foreign Minister Yair Lapid has said his country will not be used by Russia to circumvent sanctions imposed by the West after Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine and that his ministry is coordinating with officials on the matter.

Israel has so far not joined the sanctions in an apparent bid to avoid confrontation with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Following talks with the Slovak Foreign Minister Ivan Korcok on Monday, Lapid said: “Israel will not be a route to bypass sanctions imposed on Russia by the United States and other western countries.

“The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is coordinating the issue together with partners including the Bank of Israel, the finance ministry, the economy ministry, and others.”

Lapid visited Romania before arriving in Slovakia, both of which border Ukraine, and spoke to leaders in both countries about Russia’s invasion as well as bilateral relations with Israel.

'No justification'
During his meeting with Korcok, Lapid discussed Israel’s humanitarian work and diplomatic efforts over Ukraine and repeated that there was “no justification” for Russia’s invasion and its attacks on civilians.

“Israel, like Slovakia, condemns the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and calls for an end to the fighting," he said
"There is no justification for violating Ukraine's territorial integrity, and there is no justification for attacks on a civilian population.

“Israel will do everything it can to assist mediation efforts, to stop the shooting and restore peace.

"We are working together with our greatest ally, the United States, and our European friends to prevent the continuation of the tragedy.”

ARTICLE 3: the best explanation of what is going on

ANALYSIS: Israel’s Dilemmas Regarding the War in Ukraine
After Zelensky was named the world’s most influential Jew, he lashed out at Israel for failing to aid Ukraine against Russia.

By Yochanan Visser | September 28, 2022 | Topics: Russia, Ukraine
Israelis in Tel Aviv protest against Russia's ongoing war against Ukraine.
Israelis in Tel Aviv protest against Russia's ongoing war against Ukraine. Photo: Tomer Neuberg/Flash90
This analysis is about the relations between Israel on the one hand and Ukraine and Russia on the other. Those relations have become complicated after the Russian invasion of Ukraine and this could have other far-reaching implications for Israel’s overall interests, as we shall see.

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky was named the world’s most influential Jew by the editors of The Jerusalem Post last weekend.

The English-language Israeli newspaper publishes a list of the 50 most influential Jews in the world every Jewish New Year, and this was the first time in a long period that an Israeli prime minister had not been given the top spot.

Caretaker Prime Minister Yair Lapid was ranked number two, while ex-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu took the fifth spot on the list.

Zelensky, however, has so far had little influence on Israeli policy toward the war between Russia and Ukraine.

The leader of the war-ravaged country has repeatedly criticized Israel for refusing to supply weapons to Ukraine.

This mainly concerns defensive weapons, such as the successful Iron Dome anti-missile defense shield, and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) that could counterbalance the drones that Iran is now supplying to Russia on a large scale.

Zelensky said in an interview with French reporters last week that he was “shocked” by Israel’s refusal to supply the Iron Dome system to Ukraine.

After all, Iron Dome could save countless civilian lives just as it did on a large scale in Israel’s wars against Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah.


“I don’t know what happened to Israel, to be frank, honestly I’m shocked because I can’t understand why they can’t give us air defense,” Zelensky said during the interview.

Since March when the war began, the President of Ukraine has been requesting Israel to provide the Iron Dome system because of the deadly Russian missile strikes on military and civilian targets.

Zelensky indicated he understood the dilemma Israel faces because of the Russian presence in Syria, but said all talks with the Israeli leadership “had done nothing” to help Ukraine (militarily).

The government of Ukraine has now asked Israel for intelligence on Iranian UAVs that Russia recently started to use extensively in its war against the former Soviet republic.

This concerns the Shahed 36 drone which is also referred to as the “kamikaze UAV” due to the loitering ammunition the aircraft releases on its target.

Russia now has a large fleet of these Iranian drones and they pose a threat to the balance of power in the skies above Ukraine.

Over the past few days Russia has launched dozens of the Shahed 36 drones from occupied Crimea.

Some of these drones targeted the city of Uman, where the tomb of Rabbi Nachman is located. Thousands of Jews gather at Nachman’s tomb each year during Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year. There were no reports of casualties, but both the Israeli and the Ukrainian governments have been warning Jews not to travel to Uman this year since the Russians deliberately target sites where crowds are gathering.

Meanwhile, during a hitherto undisclosed visit to Kyiv in early September, Israeli diplomat Simona Halperin spoke to Maksym Subkh, Zelensky’s Middle East envoy, about providing Ukraine with badly needed intelligence on the Iranian drones.

An unnamed official later told reporters in Kyiv that the Israelis had given too little information and that he now really hoped there would be a “dialogue channel” between Israel and the government of Ukraine.

In his new role as Prime Minister of Israel, Lapid has so far been remarkably quiet about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and appears to continue the policy of delivering humanitarian aid only to Kyiv.

The government in Jerusalem announced last week that Israeli hospitals would begin treating seriously wounded Ukrainian soldiers and that initially, 20 soldiers will be flown to Israel, according to local media.


Shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine, Israel appeared to be emerging as an important mediator between the two states.

Then Prime Minister Naftali Bennett was extremely cautious in his criticism of Russia apparently because of the long-standing good relationship with President Vladimir Putin.

Bennett, like his predecessor Benyamin Netanyahu, realized that good relations with Putin were essential for Israel and had a lengthy meeting with the Russian President in Sochi on the Black Sea at the beginning of his premiership.

The good Israeli relations with both Russia and Ukraine seemed to make Bennett an ideal mediator at the beginning of the war, but the dire political reality in Israel and the situation on the ground in Ukraine, where Russia was caught committing war crimes, put an abrupt end to the mediation process.

Lapid, in his role as Foreign Minister, was less cautious at the time and soon accused Russia of committing “war crimes against a defenseless civilian population,” while Israel under Bennett and Lapid also voted in favor of UN resolutions condemning Russia for attacking Ukraine and in favor of suspending Russia’s membership of the UN Human Rights Council.

For Zelensky, however, Israel’s behavior toward his country’s conflict with Russia has been disappointing from the start.

The President of Ukraine, like Lapid, is a second-generation Holocaust victim because his grandparents were murdered by the Nazis, and this may explain why the Jewish President of Ukraine expects more from his brothers in Israel.

Also during Bennett’s term in office, Zelensky criticized the Israeli government by saying that “Bennett was not draped in the flag of Ukraine.”

During a telephone conversation with Lapid on Sept. 1, the leader of Ukraine made it clear that he still expects Israel to join the sanctions regime that Western countries, including the United States, have imposed
However, it seems very likely that Israel, under Lapid, will refrain from doing so, and that has much to do with Syria and Iran.

The Israeli Air Force (IAF) needs the Russian military in Syria for its ongoing strikes against Iran-related targets in the country.
The Russians have several S-300 antiaircraft defense batteries active in Syria, but have used them only once so far (in May) against Israeli warplanes carrying out strikes against arms shipments from Iran.

There is also a hotline between the IDF and the Russian High Command in Syria with which Israel informs the Russians shortly before an imminent strike against a target in Syria.

The freedom of movement of the IAF in the skies above Syria is therefore of crucial importance to the ongoing conflict with Iran, and further deterioration of relations with Russia could significantly damage Israel’s campaign against the Islamic Republic.

Then there is the crisis with Russia over the activities of the Jewish Agency, which regulates the immigration of Russian Jews and their relatives.

A lawsuit is currently pending against the branch of the Jewish Agency in Russia for alleged violations of Russian law.

This could eventually lead to the revocation of the agency’s license, which, according to Lapid, would in turn negatively affect bilateral relations between Russia and Israel as well as the immigration of Russian Jews.

See: Israel-Russia Relations on the Brink Over Jewish Agency Feud

The court proceedings have dragged on after the Russian court that heard the case postponed its ruling twice.

Right now, there has been a sharp rise in requests to make ‘aliyah’ from both Russian Jews and their brothers in Ukraine.

Both Lapid and Putin have been silent on the matter of the Jewish Agency, most likely because both leaders do not want to allow the already tense relations between Russia and Israel to deteriorate into a full-blown crisis.

Israel is, therefore, walking a very thin line when it comes to its current relations with both Russia and Ukraine, and is expected to continue its policy of laying low.

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btw during trump's administration then Israel was able to take the oil formthe gaza strip, drill oil intheir ocesnfornt and make deaths with egypt and other counbtried to supply oils to them for 20 years.

made old dick cheney mad since he was eyeing the gaza strip for himself.

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zelensky is also selling NATO and american weapons on the black market . . . stinks to high heaven

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ithink wrote: October 17th, 2022, 7:59 am This is news to me. Digesting this, but thought I would share. Any insights anyone has are welcome of course.

Fast forward to t=2305s
Dogma (scripture) used as propaganda… “the new Jerusalem” to justify killing &/or kicking out people who lived there. What evil doctrine that many still believe - only because it’s not them & their loved ones being killed or kicked out.. & of course subconscious indoctrination (Scofield bibles, Zionist propaganda etc).

Not sure what to make of Ashkinazi (mostly not Religiously nor ethnically Jewish)… Protocols (of Zion) talk about “sacrificing their brethren” in the Holocaust for their ultimate goals (like ensuring they/fake Jews get away with things because people are to afraid of calling them out & getting accused of antisemetism). Maybe they did get rid of most real Jews so that others (like Obama, Trump etc) could take their “victimized” place.

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EvanLM wrote: October 17th, 2022, 8:50 am zelensky is also selling NATO and american weapons on the black market . . . stinks to high heaven
Almost certainly. Maybe not him but his officers have. It will pop up in the Middle East, Africa, Latin America.

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