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[ithink]

Is this legit?

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/7th-con ... bin-zayed/

[BuriedTartaria]

Is this legit?

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/7th-con ... bin-zayed/

You know it's eating out Nelson's heart that no matter how good of a global citizen he and his buddies guiding "The Lord's church" are, he isn't included in an image like this and will never sniff the level of import the pope has to the world



Time to announce more temples.

[Peeps]

Is this legit?

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/7th-con ... bin-zayed/

You know it's eating out Nelson's heart that no matter how good of a global citizen he and his buddies guiding "The Lord's church" are, he isn't included in an image like this and will never sniff the level of import the pope has to the world



Time to announce more temples.

The Church participated in this event, check out this article:

https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders/2 ... ommon-good

‘Elevate the common good,’ Elder Soares tells world religious leadersBy Ryan Jensen 14 Sept 2022, 2:39 PM CDT

Sharing the stage with Pope Francis and others, Elder Soares encourages social engagement over surrender of trust

Elder Ulisses Soares of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles addresses the Congress of the Leaders of World and Traditional Religions on Sept. 14, 2022, in Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan. /The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

NUR-SULTAN, Kazakhstan — Speaking at the seventh Congress of the Leaders of World and Traditional Religions, in Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan, on Wednesday afternoon, Sept. 14, Elder Ulisses Soares asked faith leaders to “celebrate the dignity of all God’s children and help create a more peaceful world.”

“What an audacious task we undertake — to elevate the common good above our own interests, to open our eyes beyond our own experience,” said Elder Soares of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

“We all belong to the same human race, share the same human nature and reach for the potential that God gave us.”

In addition to Elder Soares, other speakers at the congress — which convenes every three years in Kazakhstan — addressed peace and the relief of suffering.

From right, Elder Ulisses Soares of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles; Elder Alexey V. Samaykin, Area Seventy and president of the Europe East Area; and Elder Carl B. Cook of the Presidency of the Seventy meet with Haji Allahshükür Hummat Pashazade, sheik ul-Islam and grand mufti of the Caucasus, far left, at the Congress of the Leaders of World and Traditional Religions in Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan, on Wednesday afternoon, Sept. 14. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

This year’s gathering was the largest in the history of the event, with thousands of participants from around the world. Speakers from 30 religions — including Pope Francis, head of the Catholic Church — addressed a variety of topics on the first day of this year’s event.

The pope encouraged those representing different religions to remember that everyone is “journeying toward the same heavenly goal.”

Elder Soares also talked about overcoming the differences that can separate individuals and groups for a variety of reasons.

“On the surface we all stand apart — we come from different countries, hold different beliefs, observe different rituals and pray to our own deities,” he said.

Elder Soares said he knew he was asking something hard of those in attendance.

Participants in the Congress of the Leaders of World and Traditional Religions gather for a photo on Sept. 14, 2022, in Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Elder Soares harkened back to the 19th century words of Kazakh poet Abai Qunanbaiuly, who wrote: “What a wonderful world the Creator has given us! He magnanimously and generously gave us His light.”

The words of encouragement were a welcome message after many mentions of the difficulties endured because of COVID-19 over the past two years. And even on that topic, Elder Soares saw a lesson learned and an opportunity for progress.

“COVID helped us understand the emotional necessity of personal connection,” he said. And because of that increased understanding of the need for connection, he suggested ecclesiastical leaders need to embrace this chance to build the faith of their congregants.

“Let us not surrender to hardship. We must engage instead,” he said.

Elder Soares also quoted Nazi concentration camp survivor Viktor Frankl, who said, “Love is the ultimate and highest goal to which man can aspire.”

Quoting from Mosiah 18:9 in the Book of Mormon, he spoke of the importance of manifesting Christlike love.

“It is part of the covenant of my faith to ‘mourn with those that mourn’ and ‘comfort those who stand in need of comfort,’” he said.

Elder Ulisses Soares, center, is accompanied by Elder Alexey V. Samaykin, Area Seventy and president of the Europe East Area, as the two meet with Professor Azza Karam, secretary general of Religions for Peace, at the Congress of the Leaders of World and Traditional Religions in Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan on Sept. 14, 2022. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Elder Soares said service, including mourning with and comforting others, is part of a life committed to the Savior.

“Suffering is a school of compassion, a doorway to empathy, and invitation to relate,” he said.

He later continued, “Other-mindedness instills social responsibility in our lives, based not on self-interest but as a promise to God.”
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The verse from Mosiah was one of two Book of Mormon references Elder Soares made during his remarks. In the other, he said COVID-19 was a challenge that can help strengthen churches, families and individuals.

“If we embrace the trial of faith, God will ‘make weak things become strong’ (Ether 12:27).”

Holding stronger to collective beliefs also brings strength, Elder Soares said.

“A culture is only as strong as the values of its members.”

As he concluded, Elder Soares invited the Congress to push forward in building stronger bonds to help overcome challenges.

“May we all reflect a little deeper, love a little stronger, communicate a little clearer and build the kinds of connections that help our societies weather the storms of life.”

As a part of the first day’s ceremonies at this year’s congress, Elder Soares was awarded the Medal of Honour by the congress.

Elder Ulisses Soares receives the Medal of Honour from Kazakhstan’s President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev at the Congress of the Leaders of the World and Traditional Religions in Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan, on Sept. 14, 2022. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Pope Francis’ counsels on compassion

The visit to the congress by Pope Francis was met with excitement by many of the congress’s attendees. Having the leader of the world’s largest Christian denomination attend and speak brought increased attention to the congress and its purpose by hundreds of members of the global media.

The pope was among many who talked about love and service, but he was one of the few to call out educational opportunities as being part of the churches’ responsibilities in their communities.

He also called the religious leaders of the congress to be examples of the peace they preach about.

“Spiritual leaders are the guardians of the conscience of humanity. Therefore, who better than you to show the way to mutual trust, goodness and peace?” he said.

[Durzan]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

[Peeps]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

1 Thessalonians 5
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

[Niemand]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

It's like the WEF stuff... eliminate war, stop disease and famine etc... until you realise that 2020 and 2021's problems and the economic collapse are a direct result of their policies.

Likewise with interfaith, it is a good thing when used to do things like oppose abortion etc (which these groups rarely seem to do)... but the aim is to unite religions into a single structure which can be used to command the loyalty of billions of people.

[Serragon]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

It's like the WEF stuff... eliminate war, stop disease and famine etc... until you realise that 2020 and 2021's problems and the economic collapse are a direct result of their policies.

Likewise with interfaith, it is a good thing when used to do things like oppose abortion etc (which these groups rarely seem to do)... but the aim is to unite religions into a single structure which can be used to command the loyalty of billions of people.

The preaching we hear from these world religionists, including ours, is not stuff to get people standing up valiantly for Christ. It is preaching that leads us to be safe and compliant. Be nice. Don't offend. Greater good. Do charity through approved organizations.

It's almost like we have lost the plot.

[Niemand]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

It's like the WEF stuff... eliminate war, stop disease and famine etc... until you realise that 2020 and 2021's problems and the economic collapse are a direct result of their policies.

Likewise with interfaith, it is a good thing when used to do things like oppose abortion etc (which these groups rarely seem to do)... but the aim is to unite religions into a single structure which can be used to command the loyalty of billions of people.

The preaching we hear from these world religionists, including ours, is not stuff to get people standing up valiantly for Christ. It is preaching that leads us to be safe and compliant. Be nice. Don't offend. Greater good. Do charity through approved organizations.

It's almost like we have lost the plot.

Christ is the centre of our religion. It is right to talk about treating folk fairly, Christ himself did, but if we forget Christ it is no longer Christianity.

[Subcomandante]

Is this legit?

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/7th-con ... bin-zayed/

You know it's eating out Nelson's heart that no matter how good of a global citizen he and his buddies guiding "The Lord's church" are, he isn't included in an image like this and will never sniff the level of import the pope has to the world



Time to announce more temples.

He wasn't there, but Elder Soares of the Twelve was. And he spoke there.

[ithink]

Is this legit?

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/7th-con ... bin-zayed/

You know it's eating out Nelson's heart that no matter how good of a global citizen he and his buddies guiding "The Lord's church" are, he isn't included in an image like this and will never sniff the level of import the pope has to the world



Time to announce more temples.

[ithink]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

Too many smiling faces for me.

The world is plunging into the abyss, and these morons are laughing all the way to hell.

In the article, it quotes Soares: “COVID helped us understand the emotional necessity of personal connection,” he said. Actually, the fake COVID ruined the lives of my children for two years you moron. Permanently, because time lost doing nothing cannot be reclaimed.

What a den of iniquity and hypocrisy.

[Niemand]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

Too many smiling faces for me.

The world is plunging into the abyss, and these morons are laughing all the way to hell.

In the article, it quotes Soares: “COVID helped us understand the emotional necessity of personal connection,” he said. Actually, the fake COVID ruined the lives of my children for two years you moron. Permanently, because time lost doing nothing cannot be reclaimed.

What a den of iniquity and hypocrisy.

When someone says like "COVID helped us " — correct them and say "Covid restrictions". If they say "since Covid" remind that it started in October 2019 and most of the west didn't bother bringing in restrictions until over four months after that. Little changes but change their perception.

[Subcomandante]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

Too many smiling faces for me.

The world is plunging into the abyss, and these morons are laughing all the way to hell.

In the article, it quotes Soares: “COVID helped us understand the emotional necessity of personal connection,” he said. Actually, the fake COVID ruined the lives of my children for two years you moron. Permanently, because time lost doing nothing cannot be reclaimed.

What a den of iniquity and hypocrisy.

People could do a lot during the pandemic, including getting an education through nontraditional sources. I'm actually quite thankful for that in fact.

[Niemand]

People could do a lot during the pandemic, including getting an education through nontraditional sources. I'm actually quite thankful for that in fact.

They could do practically anything during October, November and December 2019, not to mention January, February and much of March 2020. But I suppose those six months barely count.

But it's a lot more than that. I tried to do a free online course in early 2021 and couldn't because of the constant stress being put upon me. Other people were driven to drink. One acquaintance of mine from years ago ended up on heroin because of it.

[FrankOne]

Is this legit?

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/7th-con ... bin-zayed/

interesting. Hard to know how much of it is real.

The video event was moderated by an English speaking woman, but none of the proceedings were translated into English as would normally happen. Each attendee was wearing ear phones to get their translation, which normally means that the English translation would be broadcast , especially since the moderator was speaking english.

[Thinker]

Is this legit?

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/7th-con ... bin-zayed/

Strange isn’t it.

Religion has been & will be used as part of psychological warfare.

Religious Leaders Are Experimenting with Psychedelics for Scientific Purposes (2017) https://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/news/ ... ers-study/

[ithink]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

Too many smiling faces for me.

The world is plunging into the abyss, and these morons are laughing all the way to hell.

In the article, it quotes Soares: “COVID helped us understand the emotional necessity of personal connection,” he said. Actually, the fake COVID ruined the lives of my children for two years you moron. Permanently, because time lost doing nothing cannot be reclaimed.

What a den of iniquity and hypocrisy.

People could do a lot during the pandemic, including getting an education through nontraditional sources. I'm actually quite thankful for that in fact.

But you can't dance, play hockey, do musicals, attend school or your own graduation, go christmas shopping, or even go to hospital or see a doctor, the last two of which still cannot be done where I live, if you don't mask up.

Like I said, there is a very unspecial place in hell awaiting all these participants and their promoters whomever and wherever they are.

I've seen this miserable place. I lie not. It's not something I would recommend on anyone. That's something old Joe was right about. You won't know until you go.

If any "leaders" are reading this, take note, because I am talking to you.

[ithink]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

Too many smiling faces for me.

The world is plunging into the abyss, and these morons are laughing all the way to hell.

In the article, it quotes Soares: “COVID helped us understand the emotional necessity of personal connection,” he said. Actually, the fake COVID ruined the lives of my children for two years you moron. Permanently, because time lost doing nothing cannot be reclaimed.

What a den of iniquity and hypocrisy.

When someone says like "COVID helped us " — correct them and say "Covid restrictions". If they say "since Covid" remind that it started in October 2019 and most of the west didn't bother bringing in restrictions until over four months after that. Little changes but change their perception.

Nothing good came out of covid. Nothing at all. Not one iota.

[Mamabear]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

Too many smiling faces for me.

The world is plunging into the abyss, and these morons are laughing all the way to hell.

In the article, it quotes Soares: “COVID helped us understand the emotional necessity of personal connection,” he said. Actually, the fake COVID ruined the lives of my children for two years you moron. Permanently, because time lost doing nothing cannot be reclaimed.

What a den of iniquity and hypocrisy.

When someone says like "COVID helped us " — correct them and say "Covid restrictions". If they say "since Covid" remind that it started in October 2019 and most of the west didn't bother bringing in restrictions until over four months after that. Little changes but change their perception.

Nothing good came out of covid. Nothing at all. Not one iota.

Covid restrictions opened my eyes to who was on the government’s side and who liked communism, tyranny, and telling people what to do.

[Niemand]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

Too many smiling faces for me.

The world is plunging into the abyss, and these morons are laughing all the way to hell.

In the article, it quotes Soares: “COVID helped us understand the emotional necessity of personal connection,” he said. Actually, the fake COVID ruined the lives of my children for two years you moron. Permanently, because time lost doing nothing cannot be reclaimed.

What a den of iniquity and hypocrisy.

When someone says like "COVID helped us " — correct them and say "Covid restrictions". If they say "since Covid" remind that it started in October 2019 and most of the west didn't bother bringing in restrictions until over four months after that. Little changes but change their perception.

Nothing good came out of covid. Nothing at all. Not one iota.

Mostly agree, but Mamabear mentions one or two things above. I would also argue that it encouraged some people to strip their lives back to basics and that wasn't bad either. Most of the rest was just evil.

[Thinker]

So many talk about establishing Zion - "one heart and one mind" (Moses 7:18)… but with all of the arguing just on this forum over 1 subset of 1 of the religions… seems a pipe dream.

Since we are not living in utopia land, is it best to be divided? “Good fences make good neighbors“?

• “The 2 great dividers are religion and language.” - Kant

Does God want different religions? Maybe God acknowledges religious clubs, rules etc are necessary evils, until we can empathize with more than our own little religious worlds. I doubt religion is a thing on the other side. It’s just for this life stage.

It’s hard to know if it’s likely that the 2 biggest religions will ever be merged, and possible consequences - politically, socially & spiritually. But spiritually, I imagine it’s good to love (have done understanding of) all, while focusing on what resonates with oneself.

[Bronco73idi]

So many talk about establishing Zion - "one heart and one mind" (Moses 7:18)… but with all of the arguing just on this forum over 1 subset of 1 of the religions… seems a pipe dream.

Since we are not living in utopia land, is it best to be divided? “Good fences make good neighbors“?

• “The 2 great dividers are religion and language.” - Kant

Does God want different religions? Maybe God acknowledges religious clubs, rules etc are necessary evils, until we can empathize with more than our own little religious worlds. I doubt religion is a thing on the other side. It’s just for this life stage.

It’s hard to know if it’s likely that the 2 biggest religions will ever be merged, and possible consequences - politically, socially & spiritually. But spiritually, I imagine it’s good to love (have done understanding of) all, while focusing on what resonates with oneself.

They won’t merge on behalf of the father. It is foretold when they merge, a few men left.

For someone in the leadership (Isaiah chapter 1 “head”) of Christ church to imply we should be on board with this is a sin per Jeremiah 23. Verse 1,16-18 and really the whole chapter.

Woe unto the shepherds (pastors)

[mtmom]

Actually, in a lot of ways, this conference looks like a good thing. Definitely a lot better than having dozens of nations waging war on each other (raping, pillaging, burning, enslaving, torturing, committing genocide, etc) in an attempt to destroy their religions and force them to conform to their own.

Ezekiel 16
33 They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.

38 And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.
39 And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.
40 They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.
41 And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.

It is not going to turn out well. Beware.

[Niemand]

I'm all for religions living in peace with one another, and working together for better social conditions and I'm not even averse to using the wisdom found in some other traditions. Religious freedom is a good thing (with some exceptions).

Where I part company is:
* We can't just drop Christ or deny him.
* We can't jettison everything for dismal liberal theology.
* We shouldn't be combining the religions into some authoritarian whole under dubious leadership.
* We should question who funds and organises this.

I also believe religion, as with business and secular government should be decentralised. The Church of Rome has promoted this idea of everyone being under one roof, yet it has been corrupted, not just theologically but financially.

[Sunain]

This is part of the one world religion that the UN Agenda 2030 has wanted to implement.