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Thinker wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 12:22 pm Again… at what point are you going to let your kids be exposed to the real world - ugly rainbow lies and all - so they are prepared to handle it well? Never? How prepared will they be when they inevitably come across it?


They are exposed to the real world in a variety of ways, with mom and dad either with them to make sure they understand what they are being exposed to, or to talk about their experiences later.

As for the "rainbow lies": my first husband was gay. Abused by family along with his brothers. They know all about it. We have compassion for his suffering, but don't condone choices. Similarly, my dear friends brother abused by his father. My "ACE" sister. Rainbow flags everywhere in Utah and even the ym/the leaders pushing it in our last ward. Dinner table discussion include these and a wide variety of other topics.

They can hardly avoid acquaintance with the ugliness of the modern world even at church nowadays.

So many assumptions on your part. I hate identity politics and it seems odd to be accosted with them here and by you. I feel like we could go back and forth with you creating a whole list of things you'd think homeschool kids are not exposed to and refute it, but will you ever be able to hear?


Did Christ isolate from “bad influences”? Christ was Christ and started in earnest His mission in His thirties. Hardly the same as expecting a young children to defend themselves at 5 or 10 or even 15 the coordinated attacks of wicked adults with power and authority over them. How many adults aren't able to withstand such evil?
Or did he practice holding his own values despite opposition & became stronger for it - even loved everyone with a high quality of love?

There is a big difference between warning your kids about the dangers of pornography and giving them some guidelines with explanations vs. encouraging them to immerse themselves in it just to make sure they are well acquainted. One is helpful, the other I would consider abuse.

They are exposed age appropriately, not cast the the wolves as infants.

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Christ didn’t isolate himself as a hermit - people knew plenty of him from when he was young… up through adulthood. Some scriptures suggest he grew up acquiring tough skin as they referred to him as a bastard not worth listening to.

Junebug, no need to disrespectfully & deceitfully accuse me of identity politics bs. I have put forth a lot of time, tears, sleepless nights, letters to authorities, study & prayer trying to expose & shed light on identity politics lies.

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We know virtually nothing about Christ’s childhood and adolescence even young adulthood. A couple verses and a bit of other stuff from scrolls and tradition. We barely know anything about his three year ministry. A few pages repeated 4 times. So saying he did x or y as a youth is pure speculation and always seems to fit the image the beholder has of him.

You talk about how sheltered homeschoolers are but I’ve met a great many public schooled kids who served missions and went on to byu and byu-I (granted the rainbow stuff was just starting to take hold there at the time) who fit your descriptions to a tee, super sheltered, ignorant, and vulnerable to any bit of persuasion good or bad. It’s largely dependent on parents and circumstances rather than mode of education. Homeschooled kids in my experience, usually can interact equally with older and younger people the same and don’t suffer from the age stratification that public school kids do where it’s not ok to be around older or younger people.

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Thinker wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 7:51 pm Christ didn’t isolate himself as a hermit - people knew plenty of him from when he was young… up through adulthood. Some scriptures suggest he grew up acquiring tough skin as they referred to him as a bastard not worth listening to.

Junebug, no need to disrespectfully & deceitfully accuse me of identity politics bs. I have put forth a lot of time, tears, sleepless nights, letters to authorities, study & prayer trying to expose & shed light on identity politics lies.
We don't isolate. We just don't public school.

I was neither disrespectful or deceitful. I'm sorry if you felt that in my responses. It is difficult to convey emotion through this medium. I always hope that an emoji or two will help clarify.

You have taken one part of my and my family's identity: homeschoolers, and applied a preconceived notion, a stereotype, to us despite my repeated assurance that we are not, nor many others like us, as you describe. Is this not what identity politics does? What would you call it?

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I’d call it stating my opinion which opposes your opinion. My observation & experience differs from yours. No need to engage in ad hominem attacks or otherwise try to make me look bad. Where EXACTLY did I state “you and all your family are a stereotype”? I didn’t. You keep lying - just read what I wrote & then what you wrote.

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Thinker wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 7:51 pm Christ didn’t isolate himself as a hermit -

I think you may have a misconception about homeschooling.

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Thinker wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 12:22 pm Again… at what point are you going to let your kids be exposed to the real world - ugly rainbow lies and all - so they are prepared to handle it well? Never? How prepared will they be when they inevitably come across it?

Did Christ isolate from “bad influences”?
Or did he practice holding his own values despite opposition & became stronger for it - even loved everyone with a high quality of love?
It is true the Jesus was around people that the priests (Babylon) didn't like. They weren't opposition to him. They were the pure in heart, not the outwardly praiseworthy. Much like homeschool kids being around those that the forum and public school apparatus don't like.

I think the homeschool argument is quite strong. Who spends more time with your kids, you or their teachers? That is pretty telling right there. Even if it's you, it's not by a large margin. I think it's a reasonable attitude to keep kids out of public school, at least most of the time.

All that said, I send my son to public school. The stories he tells are worse than I had thought. I imagine it's not as bad at most Utah schools, although at the Utah school he attended for two years, he said everyone had to be non-cis-gendered or open talk about losing their virginity or else they would be bullied. That was in 7th grade.

It takes a lot to be strong in an environment like that, run by the priests (Babylon) of our age - those who may not be questioned: scientists, politicians, and teachers.
Thinker wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 1:14 pm @FoundMyEden,
I agree that to each their own & some situations call for certain things.

You mentioned something that seemed to be referring to this idea:
  • “If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.” - John 15:19
It’s a little hard to be hated when isolating yourself/your kids. There is a spiritual battle going on - it’s obvious. So, what should we do? Hide - or fight the good fight?

Another thought: What is it to be “not of the world”? Most assume it’s just to not smoke, do drugs, not go along with materialistic things & fads. And that is surely part of it. But another important part is spirituality. Eg: Why close our eyes when praying? Maybe to connect with the UNSEEN kingdom of God within. Maybe we need as much practice as we can get in learning to discern good from evil. How can we exercise those discerning muscles when hiding from opposition? Christ didn’t hide - he lived in the world - among “sinners” - yet practiced being not of the world… kept in touch with the Spirit of discernment within - probably partly through being an instrument of God in the trenches.
Jesus called his disciples away from their work. He did not ask them to attend institutions of the Judaism of his time 7 hours every week day and sit there quietly and make sure to learn and repeat what they were teaching them. He literally said to beware the leaven of the Pharisees. Do you gather figs of thistles?

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 8:55 pm
Thinker wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 7:51 pm Christ didn’t isolate himself as a hermit -
I think you may have a misconception about homeschooling.
Why is it called “home”schooling if it’s not primarily in home?

Should it be called computer school - since a lot of homeschoolers - especially older ones - seem to be taught primarily on computer/screen time?

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Thinker wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:25 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 8:55 pm
Thinker wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 7:51 pm Christ didn’t isolate himself as a hermit -
I think you may have a misconception about homeschooling.
Why is it called “home”schooling if it’s not primarily in home?

Should it be called computer school - since a lot of homeschoolers - especially older ones - seem to be taught primarily on computer/screen time?

Just because students are learning under a roof that is not in a public school, does not mean they are hermits, or "sheltered", or socially retarded.

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:52 am
Thinker wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:25 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 8:55 pm
Thinker wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 7:51 pm Christ didn’t isolate himself as a hermit -
I think you may have a misconception about homeschooling.
Why is it called “home”schooling if it’s not primarily in home?

Should it be called computer school - since a lot of homeschoolers - especially older ones - seem to be taught primarily on computer/screen time?
Just because students are learning under a roof that is not in a public school, does not mean they are hermits, or "sheltered", or socially retarded.
Putting words in my mouth again.
Is this the fruit?
You are using mean words, then pretending I wrote them.

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harakim wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 11:16 pm...It takes a lot to be strong in an environment like that, run by the priests (Babylon) of our age - those who may not be questioned: scientists, politicians, and teachers…

Jesus called his disciples away from their work. He did not ask them to attend institutions of the Judaism of his time 7 hours every week day and sit there quietly and make sure to learn and repeat what they were teaching them. He literally said to beware the leaven of the Pharisees. Do you gather figs of thistles?
You make good points. As previously stated, I could argue FOR this popular thing here, but the OP asked for debate.

The world - schools, work environment etc - is getting increasingly deceptive & evil. It surely does take a lot of STRENGTH to withstand it, think critically to discern truth from error & to maintain values - in the face of peer pressure to follow insane evil. There may be a fine line between trusting kids to withstand all of that… and protecting them from it. Again, I repeat that some situations call for more protection, some call for more trust in our kids. My situation is I know my kids are exposed to BS, evil lies etc… but as parents we have tried to teach them values. And I trust (though I pray for them a lot) that they will find their way to truth & goodness. Maybe like me, they’ll screw up here & there - c'est la vie. Thankfully, God understands our humanity - even created us imperfect so we can humble ourselves, learn & grow.

Interesting scripture. Matthew 7 starts off with:
  • “Judge not, that ye be not judged.”
Maybe we each should respect that each is doing what they think is right & yes we each are screwing up regularly - but little by little, we’re learning.

I love this part:
  • “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

    14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
Few find it because herd mentality is so powerful! Even on this forum where many have seen & denounced Covid herd mentality for what it is - still give in to other illogical/evil herd mentalities. Partly out of tradition, and maybe partly out of peer pressure.

The narrow way tends to be unpopular, lonely, hard & otherwise not as appealing. On top of that, it’s so much guesswork - faith in figuring out a way that is not a paved superhighway but sometimes like pioneering a new path. The narrow way may not be isolated from the world - but might go right through it so we can be called AND chosen because we CHOOSE to be instruments for God - and we’re loyal to God over herd mentalities (false gods).
  • “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

    Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
The kingdom of God is within - so we can be instruments in the world yet not be of the world.

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Thinker wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:57 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:52 am
Thinker wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:25 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 8:55 pm I think you may have a misconception about homeschooling.
Why is it called “home”schooling if it’s not primarily in home?

Should it be called computer school - since a lot of homeschoolers - especially older ones - seem to be taught primarily on computer/screen time?
Just because students are learning under a roof that is not in a public school, does not mean they are hermits, or "sheltered", or socially retarded.
Putting words in my mouth again.
Is this the fruit?
You are using mean words, then pretending I wrote them.
You used the word "Hermit". What does this imply?

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Thinker wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:25 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 8:55 pm
Thinker wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 7:51 pm Christ didn’t isolate himself as a hermit -
I think you may have a misconception about homeschooling.
Why is it called “home”schooling if it’s not primarily in home?For the same reason breastfeeding is called "breastfeeding." When an alternative was introduced "bottlefeeding" it became common to add an adjective to distinguish the two.

When I lived in Utah this was just one of the groups we used: Wasatch Home Educators Network. Whenonline.org.

We had spelling bees, geography fairs, PE offered by UVU for homeschoolers, field days, field trips, hikes, groups for math, science, and as many activities and classes as someone was willing to lead. We had dads and mom's in different careers that taught classes. My kids took a biology class from a UVU Biology professor. Pretty awesome. Beside the seat work he gave us a behind the scenes tour of the UVU science department. We had everything from babies to young adults seeing things only college students or professors had access too.

And that is just one example.

There were lots of different types of homeschoolers that grouped by a variety of criteria, all voluntarily.



Should it be called computer school - since a lot of homeschoolers - especially older ones - seem to be taught primarily on computer/screen time?There are plenty of people that "school at home" and call it homeschool. That is their choice, but it negates many of the benefits. It is definitely a segment, but not necessarily the norm. Those who use online courses usually end up back in public school for highschool or are doing it to get into college early.
I appreciate it that to you are willing to continue this conversation and ask questions. :D

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 10:13 am
Thinker wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:57 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:52 am
Thinker wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:25 am
Why is it called “home”schooling if it’s not primarily in home?

Should it be called computer school - since a lot of homeschoolers - especially older ones - seem to be taught primarily on computer/screen time?
Just because students are learning under a roof that is not in a public school, does not mean they are hermits, or "sheltered", or socially retarded.
Putting words in my mouth again.
Is this the fruit?
You are using mean words, then pretending I wrote them.
You used the word "Hermit". What does this imply?
“Hermit: Recluse”
Aka home bound.

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Thinker wrote: October 4th, 2022, 12:21 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 10:13 am
Thinker wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:57 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 9:52 am Just because students are learning under a roof that is not in a public school, does not mean they are hermits, or "sheltered", or socially retarded.
Putting words in my mouth again.
Is this the fruit?
You are using mean words, then pretending I wrote them.
You used the word "Hermit". What does this imply?
“Hermit: Recluse”
Aka home bound.
Which then implies.... that homeschooled children are home-bound and reclusive?

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Are there avid homeschool families who also actively work to help the Church grow (i.e., actively do missionary work)?

All that I know, and from what I see here, seem to be mostly a) of a mindset that the Church is in apostasy, and/or b) act as if the sole consideration is hunkering down and circling the wagons with just their families or circles of friends. This overlaps with tent city/call out types -- the mentality is similar, and often the Venn diagram is just one circle.

It doesn't seem like there is any drive for missionary work or building the kingdom among homeschool/call out types. They act as if we're already in the late stages of the end times.

ETA: it seems like the homeschool/call out crowd will be about as useful and helpful in preaching, converting, and saving as the people in M. Night Shamylan's "The Village," or the mother and son in Ray Bradbury's "Jack-in-the-box."

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Rubicon wrote: October 4th, 2022, 1:32 pm Are there avid homeschool families who also actively work to help the Church grow (i.e., actively do missionary work)?

All that I know, and from what I see here, seem to be mostly a) of a mindset that the Church is in apostasy, and/or b) act as if the sole consideration is hunkering down and circling the wagons with just their families or circles of friends. This overlaps with tent city/call out types -- the mentality is similar, and often the Venn diagram is just one circle.

It doesn't seem like there is any drive for missionary work or building the kingdom among homeschool/call out types. They act as if we're already in the late stages of the end times.

ETA: it seems like the homeschool/call out crowd will be about as useful and helpful in preaching, converting, and saving as the people in M. Night Shamylan's "The Village," or the mother and son in Ray Bradbury's "Jack-in-the-box."
Insulting assumptions.

Pride cycle much?

Clue.

We are all around you.

Doing all the things that you do.

Only just a little better.

Quietly.

And one day.

You will say to one of us.

You were homeschooled?!

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Rubicon wrote: October 4th, 2022, 1:32 pm Are there avid homeschool families who also actively work to help the Church grow (i.e., actively do missionary work)?

All that I know, and from what I see here, seem to be mostly a) of a mindset that the Church is in apostasy, and/or b) act as if the sole consideration is hunkering down and circling the wagons with just their families or circles of friends. This overlaps with tent city/call out types -- the mentality is similar, and often the Venn diagram is just one circle.

It doesn't seem like there is any drive for missionary work or building the kingdom among homeschool/call out types. They act as if we're already in the late stages of the end times.

ETA: it seems like the homeschool/call out crowd will be about as useful and helpful in preaching, converting, and saving as the people in M. Night Shamylan's "The Village," or the mother and son in Ray Bradbury's "Jack-in-the-box."
Or maybe, despite multiple attempts to share the truth and disabuse the stereotypes many are still ignoring the truth, even on this thread, and the homeschoolers give up trying to share the truth and the naysayers say: "See, they went home. We must be right."

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Sadly the tool of divorce and family separation stops a lot of families from pursuing this righteous course.

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Rubicon wrote: October 4th, 2022, 1:32 pm Are there avid homeschool families who also actively work to help the Church grow (i.e., actively do missionary work)?

All that I know, and from what I see here, seem to be mostly a) of a mindset that the Church is in apostasy, and/or b) act as if the sole consideration is hunkering down and circling the wagons with just their families or circles of friends. This overlaps with tent city/call out types -- the mentality is similar, and often the Venn diagram is just one circle.

It doesn't seem like there is any drive for missionary work or building the kingdom among homeschool/call out types. They act as if we're already in the late stages of the end times.

ETA: it seems like the homeschool/call out crowd will be about as useful and helpful in preaching, converting, and saving as the people in M. Night Shamylan's "The Village," or the mother and son in Ray Bradbury's "Jack-in-the-box."
There's already been one example in this thread. You must have missed it somehow.

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Go here to see what they are teaching in public/government schools - https://notthebee.com/article/welp-the- ... gitimately

The country's largest teachers' union is supplying its members with a how-to guide for something so gross we can't even put it in the headline

Sep 21, 2022 · NottheBee.com
Content warning, folks.

Just one big long content warning. In fact, I'm not going to include the pictures of some of these resources, so you're gonna have to click through to read the grossness in its entirety.

It cannot be stated enough: Get your kids out of public school and get them somewhere else, immediately. They are not safe there.

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Full article here - https://thenewamerican.com/teachers-urg ... fc7fadfbd4

Teachers Urged to “Transition” Children Behind Parents’ Backs
by Alex Newman September 22, 2022

State “education” authorities in Michigan are under fire nationwide after getting caught red-handed encouraging teachers to, among other absurdities and crimes, “transition” children to new “genders” without the consent or even knowledge of their parents. The trainings are almost too outrageous to believe, and yet officials are publicly defending it all.

The Michigan Department of Education program in question urges government-school “educators” to “facilitate the sexual transition of minors without parental consent,” as Rufo put it in his exposé posted on social media. The trainers also claim the notion that gender is “binary” is a “system of oppression” created by the West that must be dismantled.

In an op-ed published by establishment propaganda organs, Michigan Superintendent of Public Schools Michael Rice defended the abusive “trainings.” In fact, he referred to them as “professional development” to “build the capacity of educators to provide safe, supportive, and inclusive school climates where all students can thrive — especially students who identify as LGBTQ+.”

After falsely denying that teachers were taught to keep parents in the dark, Rice went on to admit that it’s true—but it’s “for the children,” supposedly.

This is a similar attitude to the one adopted by the Biden administration. As The Newman Report documented earlier this year, the U.S. departments of Justice, Education, and Health and Human Services released a video encouraging children to file federal complaints against their own families and communities if they were not “affirmed” in their chosen sexual proclivities or gender fantasies.

This is collective madness — and it is beyond evil. Adults must stop encouraging and normalizing the madness, for the same reason it would be irresponsible to talk to a schizophrenic’s imaginary friends or encourage an anorexic girl to have liposuction. This dangerous abuse of children should be prosecuted. But as has always been the case, the only true protector of a child will be his or her parents.

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Full article here - https://thenewamerican.com/teacher-defi ... fc7fadfbd4

Teacher Defines “Fascist” for Students as “Republican” & “Christian”
by Alex Newman September 22, 2022

A government-school teacher in California is under fire after being exposed teaching his child victims to associate fascism with Christianity, the Republican Party, European ancestry, heterosexuality, and other characteristics or identities.

The scandalous tax-funded indoctrination, first exposed by the Washington Examiner based on photos and testimony from a student in the class, took place in San Diego’s Madison High School. Critics expressed concerns that the propaganda could lead to radicalization and even violent extremism.

In a picture taken by the student whistleblower, the word fascism appears underlined at the top of the board. Underneath that, the English teacher put down terms such as “Trump,” “heterosexual,” “White,” “Christian,” and more.

“He goes on to insult white people and Christian people, automatically putting them under … that they’re automatically fascist,” the student was quoted as saying by the Examiner, which withheld his identity over concerns of retaliation by the teacher or school.

“He just kind of put up that they’re fascists, and they support a fascist government,” continued the student. “Immediately — he didn’t even ask the class about it. He just made the assumption right away that whites and Christians automatically support a fascist government.”

The GOP, too, was targeted, alongside the National Socialist (Nazi) party of Adolf Hitler. “As it is currently constituted, the Republican party is now a fascist organization that no longer fits the category of a conventional Democratic party,” the teacher wrote on the board, photographs show.

“This completely caught me off guard,” the student was quoted as saying. “This is an English class. This isn’t a political class or anything. I signed up for the class to learn how to write papers and stuff … I didn’t sign up for the class for a teacher to be trying to shove his ideology down my throat.”

The division of Americans by race and other characteristics is a hallmark of Critical Race Theory, a Marxist tool to divide and conquer the nation similar to how class divisions were used in other nations. The addition of Christians and heterosexuals to the “oppressor” class was easy to predict.

Ironically, National Socialism, better known as Nazism, has much in common with the totalitarian beliefs of the progressive movement in America. From an all-powerful state and government partnership with business to the war on free speech, the parallels are clear and ominous.

Similar propaganda is being fiendishly pumped into the minds and hearts of impressionable young Americans from coast to coast — and has been for generations. As the nation implodes amid hate and ignorance, the fruit is now becoming obvious. America will not survive another generation of this.

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