Dating at 16 - the new revelation

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Mamabear
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Dating at 16 - the new revelation

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Now you can date one on one at 16! We’re finally back to the 50s! Yay!
Older kids….”No fair I had to wait!”
Well, that’s revelation sweetie.
😂
In all seriousness I always thought that rule was so dumb. Really? Kids can’t go on single dates until 18? You’re just setting them back. Then they fall in love with the first person that they date.

Artaxerxes
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Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:07 pm Now you can date one on one at 16! We’re finally back to the 50s! Yay!
Older kids….”No fair I had to wait!”
Well, that’s revelation sweetie.
😂
In all seriousness I always thought that rule was so dumb. Really? Kids can’t go on single dates until 18? You’re just setting them back. Then they fall in love with the first person that they date.
People on ldsff love to make up rules and then claim that the chur h changed these rules.

There was never a rule that people couldn't single date until they were 18.

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Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:09 pm
Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:07 pm Now you can date one on one at 16! We’re finally back to the 50s! Yay!
Older kids….”No fair I had to wait!”
Well, that’s revelation sweetie.
😂
In all seriousness I always thought that rule was so dumb. Really? Kids can’t go on single dates until 18? You’re just setting them back. Then they fall in love with the first person that they date.
People on ldsff love to make up rules and then claim that the chur h changed these rules.

There was never a rule that people couldn't single date until they were 18.
Yeah it's been 16 as far back as I can remember

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Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:09 pm
Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:07 pm Now you can date one on one at 16! We’re finally back to the 50s! Yay!
Older kids….”No fair I had to wait!”
Well, that’s revelation sweetie.
😂
In all seriousness I always thought that rule was so dumb. Really? Kids can’t go on single dates until 18? You’re just setting them back. Then they fall in love with the first person that they date.
People on ldsff love to make up rules and then claim that the chur h changed these rules.

There was never a rule that people couldn't single date until they were 18.
The old pamphlet says group dating till 18. That’s what the youth leaders in my stake said when they held standard nights.

“Your son is 16, and going to prom with a girl and they’re not going as a group? Oh my!”

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Hosh wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:11 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:09 pm
Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:07 pm Now you can date one on one at 16! We’re finally back to the 50s! Yay!
Older kids….”No fair I had to wait!”
Well, that’s revelation sweetie.
😂
In all seriousness I always thought that rule was so dumb. Really? Kids can’t go on single dates until 18? You’re just setting them back. Then they fall in love with the first person that they date.
People on ldsff love to make up rules and then claim that the chur h changed these rules.

There was never a rule that people couldn't single date until they were 18.
Yeah it's been 16 as far back as I can remember
Really?!

Artaxerxes
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Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:12 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:09 pm
Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:07 pm Now you can date one on one at 16! We’re finally back to the 50s! Yay!
Older kids….”No fair I had to wait!”
Well, that’s revelation sweetie.
😂
In all seriousness I always thought that rule was so dumb. Really? Kids can’t go on single dates until 18? You’re just setting them back. Then they fall in love with the first person that they date.
People on ldsff love to make up rules and then claim that the chur h changed these rules.

There was never a rule that people couldn't single date until they were 18.
The old pamphlet says group dating till 18. That’s what the youth leaders in my stake said when they held standard nights.

“Your son is 16, and going to prom with a girl and they’re not going as a group? Oh my!”
No, the old pamphlet did not say that.

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Artex, I love you. Sorry I'm an @#$
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tribrac wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:15 pm Artex, are you paid to come here and gaslight, or is it just a hobby?
Feel free to cite to the old pamphlet saying that says what you're claiming. Because this what the reality was:
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Who's doing the gaslighting here?

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But you didn't answer my question. Hobby or paid?

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Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:13 pm
Hosh wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:11 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:09 pm
Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:07 pm Now you can date one on one at 16! We’re finally back to the 50s! Yay!
Older kids….”No fair I had to wait!”
Well, that’s revelation sweetie.
😂
In all seriousness I always thought that rule was so dumb. Really? Kids can’t go on single dates until 18? You’re just setting them back. Then they fall in love with the first person that they date.
People on ldsff love to make up rules and then claim that the chur h changed these rules.

There was never a rule that people couldn't single date until they were 18.
Yeah it's been 16 as far back as I can remember
Really?!
Some of these Churchites are insufferable.

Yes it was group dating until 18.

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tribrac wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:21 pm But you didn't answer my question. Hobby or paid?
"When did you stop beating your wife?"

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spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:23 pm
Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:13 pm
Hosh wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:11 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:09 pm

People on ldsff love to make up rules and then claim that the chur h changed these rules.

There was never a rule that people couldn't single date until they were 18.
Yeah it's been 16 as far back as I can remember
Really?!
Some of these Churchites are insufferable.

Yes it was group dating until 18.
Heres the old manual. Please cite the part that says what you claim.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/ ... th-eng.pdf

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Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:25 pm
spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:23 pm
Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:13 pm
Hosh wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:11 pm

Yeah it's been 16 as far back as I can remember
Really?!
Some of these Churchites are insufferable.

Yes it was group dating until 18.
Heres the old manual. Please cite the part that says what you claim.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/ ... th-eng.pdf
Churchites are insufferable. They burn all bridges in their effort to be right and be the modern-day Danites that destroy people.

I never said the FSY explicitly stated 18. That is ABSOLUTELY what the CULTURE taught, so it does not matter what the book states-it's what the culture teaches.

But of course if the culture teaches something else, it's always the people's fault. No recognition at ALL of any problems from the leaders. They are perfect, never make mistakes and are Gods.

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spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:32 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:25 pm
spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:23 pm
Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:13 pm

Really?!
Some of these Churchites are insufferable.

Yes it was group dating until 18.
Heres the old manual. Please cite the part that says what you claim.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/ ... th-eng.pdf
Churchites are insufferable. They burn all bridges in their effort to be right and be the modern-day Danites that destroy people.

I never said the FSY explicitly stated 18. That is ABSOLUTELY what the CULTURE taught, so it does not matter what the book states-it's what the culture teaches.

But of course if the culture teaches something else, it's always the people's fault. No recognition at ALL of any problems from the leaders. They are perfect, never make mistakes and are Gods.
You're really going to claim that he OP wasn't about changes to the FSY manual? You're really going to say that the OP was about changes to the church culture, and not about the new FSY manual that came out?

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Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:19 pm
tribrac wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:15 pm Artex, are you paid to come here and gaslight, or is it just a hobby?
Feel free to cite to the old pamphlet saying that says what you're claiming. Because this what the reality was:

Screenshot_20221001-131902.png

Who's doing the gaslighting here?
I wasn’t gaslighting. That is literally what my kids were taught at church.

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Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:38 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:19 pm
tribrac wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:15 pm Artex, are you paid to come here and gaslight, or is it just a hobby?
Feel free to cite to the old pamphlet saying that says what you're claiming. Because this what the reality was:

Screenshot_20221001-131902.png

Who's doing the gaslighting here?
I wasn’t gaslighting. That is literally what my kids were taught at church.
You said, "The old pamphlet says group dating till 18."

Is that true or false?

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Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:37 pm
spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:32 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:25 pm
spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:23 pm
Some of these Churchites are insufferable.

Yes it was group dating until 18.
Heres the old manual. Please cite the part that says what you claim.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/ ... th-eng.pdf
Churchites are insufferable. They burn all bridges in their effort to be right and be the modern-day Danites that destroy people.

I never said the FSY explicitly stated 18. That is ABSOLUTELY what the CULTURE taught, so it does not matter what the book states-it's what the culture teaches.

But of course if the culture teaches something else, it's always the people's fault. No recognition at ALL of any problems from the leaders. They are perfect, never make mistakes and are Gods.
You're really going to claim that he OP wasn't about changes to the FSY manual? You're really going to say that the OP was about changes to the church culture, and not about the new FSY manual that came out?
Dude you are obtuse.

"one-on-one activities should be postponed until you are mature—age 16 is a good guideline."

This in the new section IMPLIES that it is okay to go on single dates at age 16.

"You should not date until you are at least 16 years old. When you begin dating, go with one or more additional couples."

This section IMPLIES that it is NOT okay to go on single dates at age 16.


People can and do read "between the lines". That is a natural thing. And you in your haughtiness and in your self-righteous churchite crap are calling people fools for doing exactly that.

This isn't hard; it just requires you to put away your defense of an organization and actually give MERCY and GRACE to others
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Artaxerxes
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Re: Dating at 16 - the new revelation

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spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:43 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:37 pm
spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:32 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:25 pm

Heres the old manual. Please cite the part that says what you claim.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/ ... th-eng.pdf
Churchites are insufferable. They burn all bridges in their effort to be right and be the modern-day Danites that destroy people.

I never said the FSY explicitly stated 18. That is ABSOLUTELY what the CULTURE taught, so it does not matter what the book states-it's what the culture teaches.

But of course if the culture teaches something else, it's always the people's fault. No recognition at ALL of any problems from the leaders. They are perfect, never make mistakes and are Gods.
You're really going to claim that he OP wasn't about changes to the FSY manual? You're really going to say that the OP was about changes to the church culture, and not about the new FSY manual that came out?
Dude you are obtuse.

"one-on-one activities should be postponed until you are mature—age 16 is a good guideline."

This in the new section IMPLIES that it is okay to go on single dates at age 16.

"You should not date until you are at least 16 years old. When you begin dating, go with one or more additional couples."

This section IMPLIES that it is NOT okay to go on single dates at age 16.

Just stop it dude. Stop it. You are being a total @#!!$#!%.

People can and do read "between the lines". That is a natural thing. And you in your haughtiness and in your self-righteous churchite @#!!$#!% are calling people fools for doing exactly that.

This isn't hard; it just requires you to put away your defense of an organization and actually give MERCY and GRACE to others

Stop being a @#!!$#!% dude. Seriously.
Still waiting or he part that talks about no single dates until they're 18....

spiritMan
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Re: Dating at 16 - the new revelation

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Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:39 pm
Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:38 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:19 pm
tribrac wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:15 pm Artex, are you paid to come here and gaslight, or is it just a hobby?
Feel free to cite to the old pamphlet saying that says what you're claiming. Because this what the reality was:

Screenshot_20221001-131902.png

Who's doing the gaslighting here?
I wasn’t gaslighting. That is literally what my kids were taught at church.
You said, "The old pamphlet says group dating till 18."

Is that true or false?
I NEVER stated the old pamphlet says group dating till 18.

I stated "Yes it was group dating until 18." You read in between the lines and IMPLIED in your mind that I stated "FSY pamphlet states".

I don't actually mind that you read between the lines. I can see how your mind would twist what I said into something else; that's fine, that's human.

What I care about is that you are a hypocrite. For YOU it is perfectly acceptable to "read between the lines" . . .but when someone ELSE does it. No, no, no. They are idiots.

Maybe you should actually learn to live by your own rules dude.
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This is what the old pamphlet says:
“You should not date until you are at least 16 years old. When you begin dating, go with one or more additional couples.”
But somehow the culture and leaders turned this into 2 years of group dating.

True story- my friends daughter was dating someone exclusively in her 20s. They passionately kissed. Her daughter was uncomfortable and broke up with him because of the pamphlet.

“The phrase “passionate kissing” in For the Strength of Youth ([2011], 36) has to do with the kind of kissing that goes well beyond a peck on the cheek or briefly touching lips. It’s more intense and lasts longer than a brief kiss, and it’s often a step along the path to more serious kinds of physical intimacy, which is why you are warned against it before you’re married. For the kind of dating and relationships you should be experiencing before marriage, it’s wise to hold back with your kisses, especially kisses on the lips.“

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Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:45 pm
spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:43 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:37 pm
spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:32 pm
Churchites are insufferable. They burn all bridges in their effort to be right and be the modern-day Danites that destroy people.

I never said the FSY explicitly stated 18. That is ABSOLUTELY what the CULTURE taught, so it does not matter what the book states-it's what the culture teaches.

But of course if the culture teaches something else, it's always the people's fault. No recognition at ALL of any problems from the leaders. They are perfect, never make mistakes and are Gods.
You're really going to claim that he OP wasn't about changes to the FSY manual? You're really going to say that the OP was about changes to the church culture, and not about the new FSY manual that came out?
Dude you are obtuse.

"one-on-one activities should be postponed until you are mature—age 16 is a good guideline."

This in the new section IMPLIES that it is okay to go on single dates at age 16.

"You should not date until you are at least 16 years old. When you begin dating, go with one or more additional couples."

This section IMPLIES that it is NOT okay to go on single dates at age 16.

Just stop it dude. Stop it. You are being a total @#!!$#!%.

People can and do read "between the lines". That is a natural thing. And you in your haughtiness and in your self-righteous churchite @#!!$#!% are calling people fools for doing exactly that.

This isn't hard; it just requires you to put away your defense of an organization and actually give MERCY and GRACE to others

Stop being a @#!!$#!% dude. Seriously.
Still waiting or he part that talks about no single dates until they're 18....
I never stated FSY pamphlet stated that it says 18.
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Re: Dating at 16 - the new revelation

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spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:47 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:39 pm
Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:38 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:19 pm

Feel free to cite to the old pamphlet saying that says what you're claiming. Because this what the reality was:

Screenshot_20221001-131902.png

Who's doing the gaslighting here?
I wasn’t gaslighting. That is literally what my kids were taught at church.
You said, "The old pamphlet says group dating till 18."

Is that true or false?
No you &#%!@?!%, I did not.

I NEVER stated the old pamphlet says group dating till 18.

I stated "Yes it was group dating until 18." You read in between the lines and IMPLIED in your mind that I stated "FSY pamphlet states".

I don't actually mind that you read between the lines. I can see how your mind would twist what I said into something else; that's fine, that's human.

What I care about is that you are a hypocrite. For YOU it is perfectly acceptable to "read between the lines" . . .but when someone ELSE does it. No, no, no. They are idiots.

Maybe you should actually learn to live by your own rules dude.
The discussion you stepped in to was about the FSY pamphlet. You're not claiming that you changed the subject of the thread, starting with the word "Yes." That's just ridiculous. Your point was very clear, as is the entire discussion on the thread.

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spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:48 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:45 pm
spiritMan wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:43 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:37 pm

You're really going to claim that he OP wasn't about changes to the FSY manual? You're really going to say that the OP was about changes to the church culture, and not about the new FSY manual that came out?
Dude you are obtuse.

"one-on-one activities should be postponed until you are mature—age 16 is a good guideline."

This in the new section IMPLIES that it is okay to go on single dates at age 16.

"You should not date until you are at least 16 years old. When you begin dating, go with one or more additional couples."

This section IMPLIES that it is NOT okay to go on single dates at age 16.

Just stop it dude. Stop it. You are being a total @#!!$#!%.

People can and do read "between the lines". That is a natural thing. And you in your haughtiness and in your self-righteous churchite @#!!$#!% are calling people fools for doing exactly that.

This isn't hard; it just requires you to put away your defense of an organization and actually give MERCY and GRACE to others

Stop being a @#!!$#!% dude. Seriously.
Still waiting or he part that talks about no single dates until they're 18....
I never stated FSY pamphlet stated that it says 18.

Stop being a @#!!$#!%.
But that's what the thread has been about. If you want to change the subject and go off on a tangent, you're certainly welcome to.

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Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:47 pm This is what the old pamphlet says:
“You should not date until you are at least 16 years old. When you begin dating, go with one or more additional couples.”
But somehow the culture and leaders turned this into 2 years of group dating.

True story- my friends daughter was dating someone exclusively in her 20s. They passionately kissed. Her daughter was uncomfortable and broke up with him because of the pamphlet.

“The phrase “passionate kissing” in For the Strength of Youth ([2011], 36) has to do with the kind of kissing that goes well beyond a peck on the cheek or briefly touching lips. It’s more intense and lasts longer than a brief kiss, and it’s often a step along the path to more serious kinds of physical intimacy, which is why you are warned against it before you’re married. For the kind of dating and relationships you should be experiencing before marriage, it’s wise to hold back with your kisses, especially kisses on the lips.“
Yeah. A major cultural problem is that we do not do an effective job of actually defining words.

"Passionate kissing" . . .what the heck is that. I kiss someone really, really hard.

They used to call it necking and petting . . .but again they never really defined them. They should have just said very simply prior to marriage kissing another person's body in other places besides on the lips in a romantic manner is inappropriate.

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Re: Dating at 16 - the new revelation

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Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:39 pm
Mamabear wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:38 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:19 pm
tribrac wrote: October 1st, 2022, 2:15 pm Artex, are you paid to come here and gaslight, or is it just a hobby?
Feel free to cite to the old pamphlet saying that says what you're claiming. Because this what the reality was:

Screenshot_20221001-131902.png

Who's doing the gaslighting here?
I wasn’t gaslighting. That is literally what my kids were taught at church.
You said, "The old pamphlet says group dating till 18."

Is that true or false?
True. I can admit I quoted the pamphlet wrong….but it’s only because of what they were taught at church by the ward and stake.

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