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Jordan Peterson explains how it ends. Also the deadly winter coming.

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I looked at the USD RUB today and was surprised by what I saw. Only at the beginning of the war did the RUB take a hit. Now it’s doing better than before! And Russia’s economy doesn’t look any worse than anywhere else…

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Jonesy wrote: September 23rd, 2022, 4:08 pm I looked at the USD RUB today and was surprised by what I saw. Only at the beginning of the war did the RUB take a hit. Now it’s doing better than before! And Russia’s economy doesn’t look any worse than anywhere else…
Because despite all the western propaganda, Russia is still doing a lot of trade with the rest of Asia, as well as Africa and Latin America. It's Europe and the Five Eyes which are boycotting it.

The Chinese love their pork and timber. Russia is happy to supply both and doing a roaring trade with them... while the countries boycotting Russia are happily trading with Russia's main trading partner which happens to be China.

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Before the US apparently blew up Nord stream pipeline, there was this assessment:
Russia, by contrast, enjoys the luxury of defense plants that are operating 24-7 and producing ammunition, vehicles, tanks, drones, missiles and rockets. The west still labors under the delusion that Russia’s economy is barely tottering along. Russia has the minerals, material and qualified personnel required to produce what the Russian military needs to sustain operations; especially intense combat operations.

I do not know if this was the Russian plan from the outset–i.e., conduct operations that would create a de facto disarmament of the United States and Europe–or if this is pure serendipity. Regardless, the west has no viable options, short of nuclear war, of defeating Russia in Ukraine.
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And these two unrelated stories

- https://mynews.one/u-s-state-department ... mediately/ (and since this is based on a dubious Hal Turner report, here's the US Russian embassy's warning: https://ru.usembassy.gov/news-events/ on 9/27).

- https://youtu.be/a5DR62rr1Lc (Poland handing out Iodine pills to its citizens, fears of nuclear plant meltdown?)

Is this the Democrats' (AKA "Party of Death" / "Party of War") October Surprise?

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Jonesy wrote: September 23rd, 2022, 4:08 pm I looked at the USD RUB today and was surprised by what I saw. Only at the beginning of the war did the RUB take a hit. Now it’s doing better than before! And Russia’s economy doesn’t look any worse than anywhere else…
Now take a look at the Ukraine hyvernia vs. the US dollar. Now look at it vs. the Euro.

Notice anything?

It is being pegged and someone is making a TON of money. The Ukrainian government can effectively print as much money as they want and the US will trade it at a specific currency ratio.

Billions and billions of dollars.

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I guess Congress just released another 20 Billion to Ukraine. Making the total this year something like 120 Billion, that didn't include all the money sent over in the 8 years since the coupe, or the military training, supplies or support.

The US has spent more on Ukraine then on the entire Russian defense budget.

Ukraine has also recieved help from many other NATO/EU countries, many of whom, like Poland, act as a pass through for American money and supplies.

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tribrac wrote: September 28th, 2022, 8:51 am I guess Congress just released another 20 Billion to Ukraine. Making the total this year something like 120 Billion, that didn't include all the money sent over in the 8 years since the coupe, or the military training, supplies or support.

The US has spent more on Ukraine then on the entire Russian defense budget.

Ukraine has also recieved help from many other NATO/EU countries, many of whom, like Poland, act as a pass through for American money and supplies.
It makes sense when one realizes the point of getting America into all these wars abroad, is so they spend billions, and are bled dry, while other nations and groups get ahold of the money. Or in other words, we create massive amounts of debt that one day will come crashing down to the ground and destroy the dollar.

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tribrac wrote: September 28th, 2022, 8:51 am I guess Congress just released another 20 Billion to Ukraine. Making the total this year something like 120 Billion, that didn't include all the money sent over in the 8 years since the coupe, or the military training, supplies or support.

The US has spent more on Ukraine then on the entire Russian defense budget.

Ukraine has also recieved help from many other NATO/EU countries, many of whom, like Poland, act as a pass through for American money and supplies.
money laundering from what I have heard out of news

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Lexew1899 wrote: February 26th, 2022, 5:06 am All they really want seemingly is the Novorussia territory, which is mostly Russian already. Considering they already annexed Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea, they only need the Southeastern part of the country.

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The blitz to Kiev is mostly to force a treaty to be signed creating a neutral NATO buffer.

Territory Putin wants. Like two countries already. Linguistically, politically, and ethnicity.

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The Javelin rockets have been the biggest deterrent to success. And the false Neocon narrative about Russian military might has been brought to light. The trillions and trillions the military industrial complex slurps up every year because, muh Russia has been shown to be a fake news farce of the highest caliber.

I would estimate the longer the conflict goes on, the higher the escalation will be. Both with increasing threats from the West, becoming involved in things like
No-Fly zones, to Russia becoming increasingly annoyed by the West feeding highly advanced rockets to Ukraine.

If it’s over quickly, it will be a self contained incident. Ukraine will go from a US Biden puppet regime, to a Russia Putin puppet regime. If it drags on, the entire region will potentially be drawn into a nuclear conflict.
Looks like Russia has gotten most of what it wanted.

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So if nukes enter the picture (and/or if NATO steps in) that’s got to add fuel to the fire that we’re close to the end. The idea of nukes ever being used again after WWII has always been treated as a point of no return for the continuation of modern society

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spiritMan wrote: September 28th, 2022, 8:21 am
Jonesy wrote: September 23rd, 2022, 4:08 pm I looked at the USD RUB today and was surprised by what I saw. Only at the beginning of the war did the RUB take a hit. Now it’s doing better than before! And Russia’s economy doesn’t look any worse than anywhere else…
Now take a look at the Ukraine hyvernia vs. the US dollar. Now look at it vs. the Euro.

Notice anything?

It is being pegged and someone is making a TON of money. The Ukrainian government can effectively print as much money as they want and the US will trade it at a specific currency ratio.

Billions and billions of dollars.
https://youtu.be/zIa9SKPlVU0

Holly Gennero McClane to Hans Gruber : After all your posturing, all your little speeches, you're nothing but a common thief.

Kaleigh McEnany to Joe Biden: After all your posturing, all your little speeches, you're nothing but a common thief.

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Lexew1899 wrote: September 30th, 2022, 10:45 am
Lexew1899 wrote: February 26th, 2022, 5:06 am All they really want seemingly is the Novorussia territory, which is mostly Russian already. Considering they already annexed Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea, they only need the Southeastern part of the country.

Image

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The blitz to Kiev is mostly to force a treaty to be signed creating a neutral NATO buffer.

Territory Putin wants. Like two countries already. Linguistically, politically, and ethnicity.

Image

The Javelin rockets have been the biggest deterrent to success. And the false Neocon narrative about Russian military might has been brought to light. The trillions and trillions the military industrial complex slurps up every year because, muh Russia has been shown to be a fake news farce of the highest caliber.

I would estimate the longer the conflict goes on, the higher the escalation will be. Both with increasing threats from the West, becoming involved in things like
No-Fly zones, to Russia becoming increasingly annoyed by the West feeding highly advanced rockets to Ukraine.

If it’s over quickly, it will be a self contained incident. Ukraine will go from a US Biden puppet regime, to a Russia Putin puppet regime. If it drags on, the entire region will potentially be drawn into a nuclear conflict.
Looks like Russia has gotten most of what it wanted.
Not quite.

They still want Odessa and Kharkov.

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The War Has Just Begun

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-war-has-just-begun

One of the more fascinating aspects of the war in Ukraine is the extent to which Russia has contrived to attrit NATO military hardware without fighting a direct war with NATO forces. In a previous analysis I referred to Ukraine as a vampiric force which has reversed the logic of the proxy war; it’s a black hole sucking in NATO gear for destruction.

There are now very limited stockpiles to draw from to continue to arm Ukraine.

Anyone who expects the war to slow down during the winter is in for a surprise. Russia is going to launch a late autumn/winter offensive and achieve significant gains. The arc of force generation (both Russia’s increasing force accumulation and Ukraine’s degradation) coincide with the approach of cold weather.
For now, though, we are in the interregnum as the last flames of Ukraine’s fighting power flickers out. Then there will be an operational pause, and then a Russian winter offensive. There will be several weeks where nothing happens, and then everything will happen.

During that operational pause, you may be tempted to ask - “is it done, Yuri?”

No, Comrade Premiere. It has only begun.

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tribrac wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 12:34 pm The War Has Just Begun

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-war-has-just-begun

One of the more fascinating aspects of the war in Ukraine is the extent to which Russia has contrived to attrit NATO military hardware without fighting a direct war with NATO forces. In a previous analysis I referred to Ukraine as a vampiric force which has reversed the logic of the proxy war; it’s a black hole sucking in NATO gear for destruction.

There are now very limited stockpiles to draw from to continue to arm Ukraine.

Anyone who expects the war to slow down during the winter is in for a surprise. Russia is going to launch a late autumn/winter offensive and achieve significant gains. The arc of force generation (both Russia’s increasing force accumulation and Ukraine’s degradation) coincide with the approach of cold weather.
For now, though, we are in the interregnum as the last flames of Ukraine’s fighting power flickers out. Then there will be an operational pause, and then a Russian winter offensive. There will be several weeks where nothing happens, and then everything will happen.

During that operational pause, you may be tempted to ask - “is it done, Yuri?”

No, Comrade Premiere. It has only begun.
This is literally insane. The west has tons of material to send over. Russia is running out, according to its own propaganda networks.

I'm not sure how someone could believe that Russia is depleting 30 countries but not itself (even after they hit the panic button and started mass conscripting).

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https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-n ... bor-report.

A top-of-the-line Russian nuclear-powered submarine has gone missing from its harbor in the arctic along with its rumored "doomsday weapon," according to multiple reports.

NATO has reportedly warned members that Russia's Belgorod submarine no longer appeared to be operating out of its White Sea base, where it has been active since July. Officials warned that Russia may plan to test Belgorod's "Poseidon" weapons system, a drone equipped with a nuclear bomb that Russia has claimed is capable of creating a "radioactive tsunami," according to Italian media.

The drone can be deployed from the submarine at any time and detonated at a depth of 1 kilometer near a coastal city. Russian state media has claimed the device can create a 1,600 ft. wave that smashes into the coast and irradiates it.

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Just gonna leave this right here....

The U.S. and Europe are running out of weapons to send to Ukraine


https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/28/the-us- ... raine.html

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In the meantime, Elon Musk has come out with a peace plan for the area. Naturally, the Ukrainian diplomats told him to go eff himself.

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Subcomandante wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 4:38 pm In the meantime, Elon Musk has come out with a peace plan for the area. Naturally, the Ukrainian diplomats told him to go eff himself.
Because they hate their own people, are blood drunk, want a minuscule piece of the pie of the zero sum game of the global hegemony, while they are busy lining their pockets and embezzling money. If you’ve ever been to the temple and saw Lucifer asking for money to buy up armies and navies, they are the physical embodiment of it; yet too dimwitted to know their people are just pawns for the US to continue its Unipolar battle against Russia and the US. Biden could give zero effs how many dead bodies are left in Ukraine. If every single man, woman, and child were to be raped to death there, he still wouldn’t care. He’s a demented, evil warmonger. He will go to Hell forever if God is just. He deserves spiritual dissolution as well, and may merit it.

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Ukraine can't make a peace because they are busy making money and making money for US war and oil corporations.

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tribrac wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 5:11 pm Ukraine can't make a peace because they are busy making money and making money for US war and oil corporations.
Or because appeasement isn't really peace. One of the two.

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Artaxerxes wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 5:15 pm
tribrac wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 5:11 pm Ukraine can't make a peace because they are busy making money and making money for US war and oil corporations.
Or because appeasement isn't really peace. One of the two.
It doesn't have to be a pure on appeasement.

Elon Musk came out with a peace plan.

Russian soldiers out of all Ukrainian territory from before 2014 except Crimea. Including the entirety of Luhansk and Donetsk oblasty.

Referenda to be held in the four oblasty where fighting was ongoing, supervised by the UN, whether to remain part of Ukraine, join Russia, or form their own independent state.

Regardless of the voter outcome, Crimea's water supply not to be cut off by Ukraine.

The Ukrainians, who had been the recipients of Elon Musk's Starlink services from the start of the war, and using those services, was able to track down multiple Russian convoys in real time, blasting them over and over again, told Elon Musk to go eff himself.

Putin, of course, has made it well known that he wants a continuation of the war, by calling up hundreds of thousands of reservists even as many Russians try to avoid being drafted by fleeing to other countries.

The truth of the matter is neither the Russian government nor the Ukrainian government wants peace. Both are saying "Slava Rossiya" or "Slava Ukraini" but none are saying "Slava Slavorum" or "Slava Mira."

This is why this war is happening, and why it will be allowed to happen well beyond 2022. And why, perhaps, other theaters will open up during that same year. China's eyes are fixed on Taiwan. Iran's eyes are fixed on the Gulf Arab states as well as Israel. Europe will be going through massive problems this winter.

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Subcomandante wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 5:30 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 5:15 pm
tribrac wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 5:11 pm Ukraine can't make a peace because they are busy making money and making money for US war and oil corporations.
Or because appeasement isn't really peace. One of the two.
It doesn't have to be a pure on appeasement.

Elon Musk came out with a peace plan.

Russian soldiers out of all Ukrainian territory from before 2014 except Crimea. Including the entirety of Luhansk and Donetsk oblasty.

Referenda to be held in the four oblasty where fighting was ongoing, supervised by the UN, whether to remain part of Ukraine, join Russia, or form their own independent state.

Regardless of the voter outcome, Crimea's water supply not to be cut off by Ukraine.

The Ukrainians, who had been the recipients of Elon Musk's Starlink services from the start of the war, and using those services, was able to track down multiple Russian convoys in real time, blasting them over and over again, told Elon Musk to go eff himself.

Putin, of course, has made it well known that he wants a continuation of the war, by calling up hundreds of thousands of reservists even as many Russians try to avoid being drafted by fleeing to other countries.

The truth of the matter is neither the Russian government nor the Ukrainian government wants peace. Both are saying "Slava Rossiya" or "Slava Ukraini" but none are saying "Slava Slavorum" or "Slava Mira."

This is why this war is happening, and why it will be allowed to happen well beyond 2022. And why, perhaps, other theaters will open up during that same year. China's eyes are fixed on Taiwan. Iran's eyes are fixed on the Gulf Arab states as well as Israel. Europe will be going through massive problems this winter.
I saw his plan. It involves giving up land (Crimea) for peace.

If Canada invaded Idaho, then proceeded on to Montana and Wyoming, then someone said "We'll just give them Idaho, and then vote on who gets to keep Montana and Wyoming," I'd say heck no. We're not giving any concessions to an invader.

I don't agree that Ukraine wants war. They were invaded and are simply fighting back. I can't blame them for it.

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I saw his plan. It involves giving up land (Crimea) for peace.

If Canada invaded Idaho, then proceeded on to Montana and Wyoming, then someone said "We'll just give them Idaho, and then vote on who gets to keep Montana and Wyoming," I'd say heck no. We're not giving any concessions to an invader.

I don't agree that Ukraine wants war. They were invaded and are simply fighting back. I can't blame them for it.
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The Crimea is not Ukrainian. It was only handed over to the Ukrainian SSR within my parents' lifetime. Very few of the population there are Ukrainian. You could find higher percentages of ethnic Ukrainians in some parts of Siberia or even Canada. It is also geographically cut off from the Ukraine (and Russia) due to being nearly an island.

Khrushchev arguably handed over the Crimea to cause precisely this problem. While the Crimea had subnational regional autonomy of its own under the USSR, putting it in the Ukrainian SSR was essentially undermining the national identity of the Ukrainians under Soviet rule.

Donetsk and Lugansk/Luhansk are a different matter. I think they are much more complex. Most of those who were pro-Ukrainian has probably upped and left there, like the Mexicans in Texas after the US took it. A lot of people there are pro-Russian because they are descendants of Russians who went to work there (before Communism in some cases.)

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Subcomandante wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 5:30 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 5:15 pm
tribrac wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 5:11 pm Ukraine can't make a peace because they are busy making money and making money for US war and oil corporations.
Or because appeasement isn't really peace. One of the two.
It doesn't have to be a pure on appeasement.

Elon Musk came out with a peace plan.

Russian soldiers out of all Ukrainian territory from before 2014 except Crimea. Including the entirety of Luhansk and Donetsk oblasty.

Referenda to be held in the four oblasty where fighting was ongoing, supervised by the UN, whether to remain part of Ukraine, join Russia, or form their own independent state.

Regardless of the voter outcome, Crimea's water supply not to be cut off by Ukraine.

The Ukrainians, who had been the recipients of Elon Musk's Starlink services from the start of the war, and using those services, was able to track down multiple Russian convoys in real time, blasting them over and over again, told Elon Musk to go eff himself.

Putin, of course, has made it well known that he wants a continuation of the war, by calling up hundreds of thousands of reservists even as many Russians try to avoid being drafted by fleeing to other countries.

The truth of the matter is neither the Russian government nor the Ukrainian government wants peace. Both are saying "Slava Rossiya" or "Slava Ukraini" but none are saying "Slava Slavorum" or "Slava Mira."

This is why this war is happening, and why it will be allowed to happen well beyond 2022. And why, perhaps, other theaters will open up during that same year. China's eyes are fixed on Taiwan. Iran's eyes are fixed on the Gulf Arab states as well as Israel. Europe will be going through massive problems this winter.
Sadly. I believe you are quite right.

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