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CuriousThinker wrote: September 25th, 2022, 11:02 pm
Sarah wrote: September 25th, 2022, 10:54 pm
Luke wrote: September 25th, 2022, 5:01 pm
Sarah wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:29 am

Not sure why every time I post something you have to make it personal and call me a feminist. How am I being a feminist?
I called you a feminist because you automatically assumed the quote (not even my quote) was attacking women and putting pressure on women, when it implied nothing of the sort.

You read the same old stuff into everything posted on the forum
Why did you post the Brigham Young quote?

The quote makes it sound like he could be asking the women to start and run a school, so the quote really has nothing to do with homeschooling, considering there wasn't even that choice in BY's day between public and home school. Everyone automatically homeschooled. BY wanted something more. He's asking the ladies to do the educating. And for some reason you liked that quote. Past experience with you gave me the impression that you like to take the male-victim, woman shaming side of the debate, so my reaction was because of that.
I thought his quote was because by that point free schools had popped up and many of the saints were sending their kids there and he was warning them not to. Other denominations actually took up donations to fund schools in Utah so that they could try to coax the children away from Mormonism over time.
The Presbyterian church actually opened up 90 free schools in the territory to do exactly that. And then the federal government came along and did the same. And now here we are today, hand in hand with "the gentiles", partaking of all of the filth and abominations of Babylon the Great.
"If your(our) children never learned another thing, they would be better off with their mother".
What is the worth of a soul? Yet we gladly ship our children off to the devil himself, to obtain the must have education of Babylon, so that we/they can do what? Get rich and go to hell.
And sodomite, transgender, porno, immoral hell is what we are wallowing in now.

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creator wrote: September 24th, 2022, 12:11 pm
cyclOps wrote: September 24th, 2022, 11:31 am Our kids have attended public schools. Our kids have attended a charter school. We have also homeschooled our kids (99.9% my wife did it all, she’s a rockstar). All three options can be good. All three options can also be bad.
This ☝️.

My children have never attended regular public schools, but have done a mix of home school and charter schools.

I've seen extreme bad examples of homeschool failures and of course public/private/charter school failures. A valid excuse for not homeschooling could be that the stay-at-home parent responsible for their children's education simply fails in that role. But then there is also that huge risk in sending children somewhere that they are exposed to the mental insanity of the gay and anti-Christ agendas that are so prevalent in such institutions today.
yes.

You can't always do 100% of everything you want. Don't let "perfection" be the enemy of "the good enough".

My wife homeschooled our daughter through 2nd grade, then due to health reasons, we had to make a decision and ended up sending our daughter to the public school down the road. What an eye opener for our daughter: as one of two white kids in her class, she is learning just how racist black kids in our neighborhood can actually be. The other white girl sides with the tribal mentality and won't be friends with our daughter. My daughter has toughened up a lot in the last few years. in 4th grade, she became the chess champion of the school. This experience (chess champion and being bullied) has solidified her individuality much more than I think could be done alone at home by herself. She sticks up for the outcasts and riff-raff (the Hispanic kids who don't speak English in her class, who also get bullied by the black kids). I was also bullied and belittled all through elementary, JR, and high school for (in elementary school) "having red hair", and (in high school) "not trying to fit in". Among peers that were 90% Utah Mormons. Turned me into a rebel, thank goodness.

Of course, we have our red line in the sand - they are not teaching sexuality to elementary aged children here yet, like they apparently are pushing to do in Utah (your governor supported that "males who identify as females on sports teams" issue). And they are not pushing mandatory vaccines like they are in California. They still open school-parent meetings with prayer in a lot of schools around here. And the school district we are moving into (when we finish the cabin) is very community based and supported - they don't put up with wokeness out in the county. So as long as all that holds true, I think she'll do fine with a public education.

Just want to point out as well - You can do everything "right" and your kids can still end up gay or bi or part of the alphabet soup groups, or turn into fascists (anti-fa), or be a totally owned woke BigCorp consumer-slave - even after all your best efforts. It shouldn't be a secret among Mormons, but apparently it is: everyone has a choice.

And for all the genuinely honest parents out there - the ones striving and failing to be Peter Perfects and Molly Mormons who still ended up with woke adult children: you're apparently in good company - along with Adam and Eve, Noah, the brother of Jared, Abraham, Lehi, Mosiah, Alma, God the Father, etc. They all had kids who went with the world.

If your situation allows you to homeschool, good for you. If not, you can still end up with good kids.

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Rubicon wrote: September 24th, 2022, 12:54 pm It's not the same experience, though. Many who recognize the drawbacks to school still believe that the overall experience is better than homeschooling.
I'm also curious why you think this.

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harakim wrote: September 26th, 2022, 7:53 pm
Rubicon wrote: September 24th, 2022, 12:54 pm It's not the same experience, though. Many who recognize the drawbacks to school still believe that the overall experience is better than homeschooling.
I'm also curious why you think this.
We have four children. Two of them have been valedictorians/salutatorians, and one of them is a high school junior currently (the fourth is on a mission in Austria). We could have homeschooled them, and they would have exactly the same level of knowledge and academic competency. They really didn't get any "value added" from the school system; having come from a very literary family, they have been light years ahead of their peers in school. But they had experiences (good and bad) that they simply wouldn't have had with homeschool (or with a homeschool coop or group trying to provide these).

I've also been a bishop twice, a counselor twice, and an EQP twice. My own experiences (which include bad, rough public school in Chicago) have helped me relate to and be able to help people in ways that simply wouldn't have been there if I were a product of 100% homeschool and being closed off from society like some here are advocating.

The homeschool movement (especially the radical strains of it) seem to me to be no different from the monastic movements in medieval Christianity. By seeking higher spiritual experiences through cutting themselves off and sequestering themselves, they are sorely lacking in key experiences we were sent to earth for. It's like the people who say they don't need a church to worship God; they can worship Him and feel His presence at home or hiking in the woods. They are completely missing the service and sacrifice parts of belonging to a church community --- and are no instrument at all in God's hands in bringing salvation to others.

Whenever people mention that homeschoolers they know are weird and sheltered, there are inevitable anecdotes about very accomplished, savvy, effective products of homeschooling to counteract this. The problem is that most people know too many homeschooled kids and adults for these anecdotes to have any effect. ;)

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Being There wrote: September 24th, 2022, 5:23 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: September 24th, 2022, 8:44 am Hi everyone. Please go ahead and list your excuses for not homeschooling your children here.

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exactly, we home schooled our children for this very reason.

They stopped teaching them years ago
https://rumble.com/v1lb8k9-they-stoped- ... s-ago.html

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The homeschool movement (especially the radical strains of it) seem to me to be no different from the monastic movements in medieval Christianity. By seeking higher spiritual experiences through cutting themselves off and sequestering themselves, they are sorely lacking in key experiences we were sent to earth for. It's like the people who say they don't need a church to worship God; they can worship Him and feel His presence at home or hiking in the woods. They are completely missing the service and sacrifice parts of belonging to a church community --- and are no instrument at all in God's hands in bringing salvation to others.

Whenever people mention that homeschoolers they know are weird and sheltered, there are inevitable anecdotes about very accomplished, savvy, effective products of homeschooling to counteract this. The problem is that most people know too many homeschooled kids and adults for these anecdotes to have any effect. ;)

Sooo, you know that public education as it currently exists is, historically, a very new thing right? Maybe starting about 150 years ago and wasn’t really enforced (yes there were many armed conflicts in the us against it) until after wwI. So most of the worlds population that has ever lived missed out on these essential experiences like prom, and kitty litter boxes for the furrys (there are serious talks about this by the local school board), the lgbtq agenda, critical race theory, new math, or being indoctrinated by some of the most seductive and evil of religion. These experiences? There is NO good that can come from that.

Public schools are filled with “weird” kids. That has far more to do with parents and less the method of education. Divergent parents are most likely to have divergent children. Almost no one remembers what they “learned” in high school. In our case we have taught the kids how to learn. Beyond reading and general grammar, writing/typing, basic algebra level math, the stuff you use, I don’t care what they choose to learn as long as they are learning. They all know how and have experience with livestock of various types flocks and herds from breeding to raising to harvesting be that meat milk eggs fiber whatever, they know how to grow plants and harvest, and wild plants. They know how to build, and use tractors and backhoes and chainsaws and other equipment. They know how to cook (some better than others) they have life skills that are not taught in school. Do you know how many public school graduate RM BYU students I’ve worked with who literally couldn’t cook instant oat meal? Can’t wash their own clothes, do basic things on their own? A lot, homeschooled ones almost always had life skills and could take care of themselves.
Religious groups cannot tolerate freethinkers or any different ideas. Doesn’t matter the denomination they will cast the divergents out, ALWAYS. Lds are about the fastest and most aggressive about it that I’ve encountered but the others do it too. Baptists to JW’s to Methodists to mennonites. They all do it. God is not found in conformist groups he is in fact found in the wilderness, or in your secret places. And if you are in anyway social at all there are unending opportunities to serve and shine a light That don’t require power happy leaders who seek to destroy you.

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Rubicon wrote: September 26th, 2022, 8:50 pm
harakim wrote: September 26th, 2022, 7:53 pm
Rubicon wrote: September 24th, 2022, 12:54 pm It's not the same experience, though. Many who recognize the drawbacks to school still believe that the overall experience is better than homeschooling.
I'm also curious why you think this.
We have four children. Two of them have been valedictorians/salutatorians, and one of them is a high school junior currently (the fourth is on a mission in Austria). We could have homeschooled them, and they would have exactly the same level of knowledge and academic competency. They really didn't get any "value added" from the school system; having come from a very literary family, they have been light years ahead of their peers in school. But they had experiences (good and bad) that they simply wouldn't have had with homeschool (or with a homeschool coop or group trying to provide these).

I've also been a bishop twice, a counselor twice, and an EQP twice. My own experiences (which include bad, rough public school in Chicago) have helped me relate to and be able to help people in ways that simply wouldn't have been there if I were a product of 100% homeschool and being closed off from society like some here are advocating.

The homeschool movement (especially the radical strains of it) seem to me to be no different from the monastic movements in medieval Christianity. By seeking higher spiritual experiences through cutting themselves off and sequestering themselves, they are sorely lacking in key experiences we were sent to earth for. It's like the people who say they don't need a church to worship God; they can worship Him and feel His presence at home or hiking in the woods. They are completely missing the service and sacrifice parts of belonging to a church community --- and are no instrument at all in God's hands in bringing salvation to others.

Whenever people mention that homeschoolers they know are weird and sheltered, there are inevitable anecdotes about very accomplished, savvy, effective products of homeschooling to counteract this. The problem is that most people know too many homeschooled kids and adults for these anecdotes to have any effect. ;)
Nothing personal.

I am sure you and your family are as wonderful as you say.

But.

Pride.

It blinds.

And goeth before a fall.

I wish you well.

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The homeschooled children I know locally are a bit eccentric, but in my experience a lot of them are as smart as a whip. For example, there's a 16/17 old boy in a book group I go to, and he talks about everything he's been reading recently like Beevor's recent book on D Day and classic literature. His parents pulled him out of school because he was getting bullied (including physical assault) on a regular basis.

In contrast, my god daughter who has just left state education a couple of years ago has learnt almost nothing. She learnt to read and write at home, with help from her family and me as well... but school taught her almost nothing from what she tells me. I realise the home schooled children are less socialised but what the heck are the others learning? I've had to work next to youngsters who've just led the state school system and a lot of them are barely literate. I mention something which I think is common knowledge and they've never heard of it.

I try and avoid using the bus when the high school children are coming out, but when I do, it's depressing. Most of them can barely speak English, and that includes the handful who speak it as a first language! What a contrast to some of the home schooled children I know.

Education has degenerated a lot in this country over the past century or so.

I hear a lot of people complaining about the private schools here... yet increasingly I realise why people are willing to pay for schools. Smaller class sizes. More teaching hours. Better science/sport/language learning facilities. I kind of hate the private schools in some respects but the reason parents use them is the rotten state of state education.

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My excuse is that my oldest child is 39 and my youngest is 29.
However, if I had my time again there is no question that I would definitely home school.
I am concerned about my grandchildren right now. The oldest has just started school.
My wife and I are seriously considering retiring early in order to home school them.

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Sarah wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:16 am
Luke wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:05 am “I want to enlist the sympathies of the ladies among the Latter-day Saints, to see what we can do for ourselves with regard to schooling our children. Do not say you cannot school them, for you can.” (Brigham Young, 7 April 1873, JD 16:20)
I wouldn't mind homeschooling, but then my husband would have to agree to come home and help cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, and go grocery shopping. Brigham also wanted the ladies to make their own clothing and start home businesses where they were earning money. If something isn't being done, we'll just ask the women to work harder.

All the homeschooled kids I've met over the course of raising my children were always behind my own children in their academic skills. I'm sure there are exceptions, I just never have met them. The reason makes sense. The mother is not trained, does not have the same experience, has little time or must sacrifice other jobs to do and kids often don't respond as well to their parents as they would to other adults. I think it also helps to have a different location other than the home to go to.
John Rowe Moyle, that guy was so lazy! His wife did all the work while he chipped away at a rock on the side of a building. He probably enjoyed chipping rocks so it wasn’t work, it was a hobby. He only worked one day a week, Saturday. His wife ran a 160 acre farm!

This is the ignorance I hear all the time with woke women!

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Rubicon wrote: September 26th, 2022, 8:50 pm
harakim wrote: September 26th, 2022, 7:53 pm
Rubicon wrote: September 24th, 2022, 12:54 pm It's not the same experience, though. Many who recognize the drawbacks to school still believe that the overall experience is better than homeschooling.
I'm also curious why you think this.
We have four children. Two of them have been valedictorians/salutatorians, and one of them is a high school junior currently (the fourth is on a mission in Austria). We could have homeschooled them, and they would have exactly the same level of knowledge and academic competency. They really didn't get any "value added" from the school system; having come from a very literary family, they have been light years ahead of their peers in school. But they had experiences (good and bad) that they simply wouldn't have had with homeschool (or with a homeschool coop or group trying to provide these).

I've also been a bishop twice, a counselor twice, and an EQP twice. My own experiences (which include bad, rough public school in Chicago) have helped me relate to and be able to help people in ways that simply wouldn't have been there if I were a product of 100% homeschool and being closed off from society like some here are advocating.

The homeschool movement (especially the radical strains of it) seem to me to be no different from the monastic movements in medieval Christianity. By seeking higher spiritual experiences through cutting themselves off and sequestering themselves, they are sorely lacking in key experiences we were sent to earth for. It's like the people who say they don't need a church to worship God; they can worship Him and feel His presence at home or hiking in the woods. They are completely missing the service and sacrifice parts of belonging to a church community --- and are no instrument at all in God's hands in bringing salvation to others.

Whenever people mention that homeschoolers they know are weird and sheltered, there are inevitable anecdotes about very accomplished, savvy, effective products of homeschooling to counteract this. The problem is that most people know too many homeschooled kids and adults for these anecdotes to have any effect. ;)
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My kids go to public school and we go to church. Like school, church isn’t ideal and is part of this clown world but there are a lot of good people to help us along the way.

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Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 10:23 am
Sarah wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:16 am
Luke wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:05 am “I want to enlist the sympathies of the ladies among the Latter-day Saints, to see what we can do for ourselves with regard to schooling our children. Do not say you cannot school them, for you can.” (Brigham Young, 7 April 1873, JD 16:20)
I wouldn't mind homeschooling, but then my husband would have to agree to come home and help cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, and go grocery shopping. Brigham also wanted the ladies to make their own clothing and start home businesses where they were earning money. If something isn't being done, we'll just ask the women to work harder.

All the homeschooled kids I've met over the course of raising my children were always behind my own children in their academic skills. I'm sure there are exceptions, I just never have met them. The reason makes sense. The mother is not trained, does not have the same experience, has little time or must sacrifice other jobs to do and kids often don't respond as well to their parents as they would to other adults. I think it also helps to have a different location other than the home to go to.
John Rowe Moyle, that guy was so lazy! His wife did all the work while he chipped away at a rock on the side of a building. He probably enjoyed chipping rocks so it wasn’t work, it was a hobby. He only worked one day a week, Saturday. His wife ran a 160 acre farm!

This is the ignorance I hear all the time with woke women!
What does my comment have to do with this? You seem to be accusing me of thinking men who are doing the Lord's work are lazy.

Let me reword my comment. I wouldn't mind homeschooling if my husband also didn't EXPECT ME to do the laundry, cooking, cleaning, shopping, ironing, etc. He would have to realize that he would now need to do some of that work too.
If a husband wants a wife to do one thing, he must understand that other things won't get done. My comment is about expectations put on mothers, not about criticizing what men do. Brigham asked a lot of everyone, and I'm sure he learned at some point that people can't do everything well, if they're asked to do everything.

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Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 10:40 am
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 10:23 am
Sarah wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:16 am
Luke wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:05 am “I want to enlist the sympathies of the ladies among the Latter-day Saints, to see what we can do for ourselves with regard to schooling our children. Do not say you cannot school them, for you can.” (Brigham Young, 7 April 1873, JD 16:20)
I wouldn't mind homeschooling, but then my husband would have to agree to come home and help cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, and go grocery shopping. Brigham also wanted the ladies to make their own clothing and start home businesses where they were earning money. If something isn't being done, we'll just ask the women to work harder.

All the homeschooled kids I've met over the course of raising my children were always behind my own children in their academic skills. I'm sure there are exceptions, I just never have met them. The reason makes sense. The mother is not trained, does not have the same experience, has little time or must sacrifice other jobs to do and kids often don't respond as well to their parents as they would to other adults. I think it also helps to have a different location other than the home to go to.
John Rowe Moyle, that guy was so lazy! His wife did all the work while he chipped away at a rock on the side of a building. He probably enjoyed chipping rocks so it wasn’t work, it was a hobby. He only worked one day a week, Saturday. His wife ran a 160 acre farm!

This is the ignorance I hear all the time with woke women!
What does my comment have to do with this? You seem to be accusing me of thinking men who are doing the Lord's work are lazy.

Let me reword my comment. I wouldn't mind homeschooling if my husband also didn't EXPECT ME to do the laundry, cooking, cleaning, shopping, ironing, etc. He would have to realize that he would now need to do some of that work too.
If a husband wants a wife to do one thing, he must understand that other things won't get done. My comment is about expectations put on mothers, not about criticizing what men do. Brigham asked a lot of everyone, and I'm sure he learned at some point that people can't do everything well, if they're asked to do everything.
Your response is exactly why the United Order did not work.

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Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 12:13 pm
Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 10:40 am
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 10:23 am
Sarah wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:16 am

I wouldn't mind homeschooling, but then my husband would have to agree to come home and help cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, and go grocery shopping. Brigham also wanted the ladies to make their own clothing and start home businesses where they were earning money. If something isn't being done, we'll just ask the women to work harder.

All the homeschooled kids I've met over the course of raising my children were always behind my own children in their academic skills. I'm sure there are exceptions, I just never have met them. The reason makes sense. The mother is not trained, does not have the same experience, has little time or must sacrifice other jobs to do and kids often don't respond as well to their parents as they would to other adults. I think it also helps to have a different location other than the home to go to.
John Rowe Moyle, that guy was so lazy! His wife did all the work while he chipped away at a rock on the side of a building. He probably enjoyed chipping rocks so it wasn’t work, it was a hobby. He only worked one day a week, Saturday. His wife ran a 160 acre farm!

This is the ignorance I hear all the time with woke women!
What does my comment have to do with this? You seem to be accusing me of thinking men who are doing the Lord's work are lazy.

Let me reword my comment. I wouldn't mind homeschooling if my husband also didn't EXPECT ME to do the laundry, cooking, cleaning, shopping, ironing, etc. He would have to realize that he would now need to do some of that work too.
If a husband wants a wife to do one thing, he must understand that other things won't get done. My comment is about expectations put on mothers, not about criticizing what men do. Brigham asked a lot of everyone, and I'm sure he learned at some point that people can't do everything well, if they're asked to do everything.
Your response is exactly why the United Order did not work.
How so?

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Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 2:07 pm How so?
Because of lazy men unwilling to do enough?

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Robin Hood wrote: September 27th, 2022, 6:18 am My excuse is that my oldest child is 39 and my youngest is 29.
However, if I had my time again there is no question that I would definitely home school.
I am concerned about my grandchildren right now. The oldest has just started school.
My wife and I are seriously considering retiring early in order to home school them.
Weird times when a child knows about non-binary before their five times table.

The UK is riddled with it. Up here the game is to pin it on the SNP even though Labour and the Tories have pushed the same stuff. If anything the wokeness on the BBC and in education has increased under the Conservatives. They all follow the same international playbook not from an individual party.

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Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 2:07 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 12:13 pm
Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 10:40 am
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 10:23 am

John Rowe Moyle, that guy was so lazy! His wife did all the work while he chipped away at a rock on the side of a building. He probably enjoyed chipping rocks so it wasn’t work, it was a hobby. He only worked one day a week, Saturday. His wife ran a 160 acre farm!

This is the ignorance I hear all the time with woke women!
What does my comment have to do with this? You seem to be accusing me of thinking men who are doing the Lord's work are lazy.

Let me reword my comment. I wouldn't mind homeschooling if my husband also didn't EXPECT ME to do the laundry, cooking, cleaning, shopping, ironing, etc. He would have to realize that he would now need to do some of that work too.
If a husband wants a wife to do one thing, he must understand that other things won't get done. My comment is about expectations put on mothers, not about criticizing what men do. Brigham asked a lot of everyone, and I'm sure he learned at some point that people can't do everything well, if they're asked to do everything.
Your response is exactly why the United Order did not work.
How so?
The law of consecration is a principle the Lord gives to His covenant people. To live this principle, men and women dedicate themselves completely to building up God's kingdom and ensuring that there are “no poor among them” (Moses 7:18).

It starts at home…… you are not giving everything if you are already setting up rules so that you can justify how your spouse will fail! Once he fails, due to your obnoxious rules that are justified through feminism (which is a sin, my handmaid) then you will give less and less until the order is no more.

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Is setting up rules and guidelines a way to become closer to your husband?

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Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:01 pm
Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 2:07 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 12:13 pm
Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 10:40 am

What does my comment have to do with this? You seem to be accusing me of thinking men who are doing the Lord's work are lazy.

Let me reword my comment. I wouldn't mind homeschooling if my husband also didn't EXPECT ME to do the laundry, cooking, cleaning, shopping, ironing, etc. He would have to realize that he would now need to do some of that work too.
If a husband wants a wife to do one thing, he must understand that other things won't get done. My comment is about expectations put on mothers, not about criticizing what men do. Brigham asked a lot of everyone, and I'm sure he learned at some point that people can't do everything well, if they're asked to do everything.
Your response is exactly why the United Order did not work.
How so?
The law of consecration is a principle the Lord gives to His covenant people. To live this principle, men and women dedicate themselves completely to building up God's kingdom and ensuring that there are “no poor among them” (Moses 7:18).

It starts at home…… you are not giving everything if you are already setting up rules so that you can justify how your spouse will fail! Once he fails, due to your obnoxious rules that are justified through feminism (which is a sin, my handmaid) then you will give less and less until the order is no more.

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Is setting up rules and guidelines a way to become closer to your husband?
Ok master. I love how you called me your handmaid 😲 You aren't understanding apparently. I'm not setting any rules. I can be happy with a dirty house, and small meals and easy food prep, laundry that's not done etc. I'm not demanding that my husband lift a finger. It is him who expects that I can do these things hypothetically speaking, but also in my own personal life, so that's why I said my husband would have to pick up the slack, if he expects 10 different jobs to be done perfectly. So what I was trying to explain from all these attacks from you all, is that if a husband, or non-mother, or anyone for that matter, wants to judge what a mother should take on as another job on top of all her responsibilities, the person should not have expectations that she can do it all the same as before. She is still consecrating all her time, but it's impossible to do everything perfectly in that amount of time? Do you understand what I"m saying?

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Re: What's your excuse for not homeschooling your children?

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What EXACTLY is involved in homeschooling?

Most people I’ve known who have homeschooled have really slacked - causing their kids to maybe be really good in scriptures etc but ignorant in many other important basics. Also, some use their older children to parent their younger children - so that seems to be some people’s incentive for keeping kids home. Could also be control.

Live in the world, not of it. At what point are homeschool parents going to let their kids go into the world? When they are grown adults and unprepared for it? I also know of adults who were homeschooled as kids who had no idea how to navigate the world & thus struggled more than most.
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Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:14 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:01 pm
Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 2:07 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 12:13 pm

Your response is exactly why the United Order did not work.
How so?
The law of consecration is a principle the Lord gives to His covenant people. To live this principle, men and women dedicate themselves completely to building up God's kingdom and ensuring that there are “no poor among them” (Moses 7:18).

It starts at home…… you are not giving everything if you are already setting up rules so that you can justify how your spouse will fail! Once he fails, due to your obnoxious rules that are justified through feminism (which is a sin, my handmaid) then you will give less and less until the order is no more.

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Is setting up rules and guidelines a way to become closer to your husband?
Ok master. I love how you called me your handmaid 😲 You aren't understanding apparently. I'm not setting any rules. I can be happy with a dirty house, and small meals and easy food prep, laundry that's not done etc. I'm not demanding that my husband lift a finger. It is him who expects that I can do these things hypothetically speaking, but also in my own personal life, so that's why I said my husband would have to pick up the slack, if he expects 10 different jobs to be done perfectly. So what I was trying to explain from all these attacks from you all, is that if a husband, or non-mother, or anyone for that matter, wants to judge what a mother should take on as another job on top of all her responsibilities, the person should not have expectations that she can do it all the same as before. She is still consecrating all her time, but it's impossible to do everything perfectly in that amount of time? Do you understand what I"m saying?
I knew you would love my handmaid comment 😂

I personally don’t think a woman should stay at home unless she is running (managing) a small farm.

I know a family with 10 kids, mother is their maid, she is one that wants it clean and it’s easier to do it herself. No one learns from that.

Did the lord talk about women working outside of the home?

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Re: What's your excuse for not homeschooling your children?

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Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:37 pm
Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:14 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:01 pm
Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 2:07 pm

How so?
The law of consecration is a principle the Lord gives to His covenant people. To live this principle, men and women dedicate themselves completely to building up God's kingdom and ensuring that there are “no poor among them” (Moses 7:18).

It starts at home…… you are not giving everything if you are already setting up rules so that you can justify how your spouse will fail! Once he fails, due to your obnoxious rules that are justified through feminism (which is a sin, my handmaid) then you will give less and less until the order is no more.

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Is setting up rules and guidelines a way to become closer to your husband?
Ok master. I love how you called me your handmaid 😲 You aren't understanding apparently. I'm not setting any rules. I can be happy with a dirty house, and small meals and easy food prep, laundry that's not done etc. I'm not demanding that my husband lift a finger. It is him who expects that I can do these things hypothetically speaking, but also in my own personal life, so that's why I said my husband would have to pick up the slack, if he expects 10 different jobs to be done perfectly. So what I was trying to explain from all these attacks from you all, is that if a husband, or non-mother, or anyone for that matter, wants to judge what a mother should take on as another job on top of all her responsibilities, the person should not have expectations that she can do it all the same as before. She is still consecrating all her time, but it's impossible to do everything perfectly in that amount of time? Do you understand what I"m saying?
I knew you would love my handmaid comment 😂

I personally don’t think a woman should stay at home unless she is running (managing) a small farm.

I know a family with 10 kids, mother is their maid, she is one that wants it clean and it’s easier to do it herself. No one learns from that.

Did the lord talk about women working outside of the home?
I don't think it's that important how she works or how the children work or how the husband works. The principle is to not be idle but be working for something worthwhile, making God's work and education the first priority. But as a non-mother/woman how can you make a judgement call when you haven't been in a mother's shoes? Perhaps you can find a large family who will let you babysit for two weeks. Then you can report back.

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Re: What's your excuse for not homeschooling your children?

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Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:47 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:37 pm
Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:14 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:01 pm

The law of consecration is a principle the Lord gives to His covenant people. To live this principle, men and women dedicate themselves completely to building up God's kingdom and ensuring that there are “no poor among them” (Moses 7:18).

It starts at home…… you are not giving everything if you are already setting up rules so that you can justify how your spouse will fail! Once he fails, due to your obnoxious rules that are justified through feminism (which is a sin, my handmaid) then you will give less and less until the order is no more.

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Is setting up rules and guidelines a way to become closer to your husband?
Ok master. I love how you called me your handmaid 😲 You aren't understanding apparently. I'm not setting any rules. I can be happy with a dirty house, and small meals and easy food prep, laundry that's not done etc. I'm not demanding that my husband lift a finger. It is him who expects that I can do these things hypothetically speaking, but also in my own personal life, so that's why I said my husband would have to pick up the slack, if he expects 10 different jobs to be done perfectly. So what I was trying to explain from all these attacks from you all, is that if a husband, or non-mother, or anyone for that matter, wants to judge what a mother should take on as another job on top of all her responsibilities, the person should not have expectations that she can do it all the same as before. She is still consecrating all her time, but it's impossible to do everything perfectly in that amount of time? Do you understand what I"m saying?
I knew you would love my handmaid comment 😂

I personally don’t think a woman should stay at home unless she is running (managing) a small farm.

I know a family with 10 kids, mother is their maid, she is one that wants it clean and it’s easier to do it herself. No one learns from that.

Did the lord talk about women working outside of the home?
I don't think it's that important how she works or how the children work or how the husband works. The principle is to not be idle but be working for something worthwhile, making God's work and education the first priority. But as a non-mother/woman how can you make a judgement call when you haven't been in a mother's shoes? Perhaps you can find a large family who will let you babysit for two weeks. Then you can report back.
I have 4 kids, granted 2 of them are out of the house. When I work around the house they know that I’m not doing it by myself. I will never be a dad that will have a free loader. It’s not because I’m abusing them it’s because there is always something to do. Some say I can’t sit still. You can rest when you die 😝

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Re: What's your excuse for not homeschooling your children?

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Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:47 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:37 pm
Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:14 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:01 pm

The law of consecration is a principle the Lord gives to His covenant people. To live this principle, men and women dedicate themselves completely to building up God's kingdom and ensuring that there are “no poor among them” (Moses 7:18).

It starts at home…… you are not giving everything if you are already setting up rules so that you can justify how your spouse will fail! Once he fails, due to your obnoxious rules that are justified through feminism (which is a sin, my handmaid) then you will give less and less until the order is no more.

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Is setting up rules and guidelines a way to become closer to your husband?
Ok master. I love how you called me your handmaid 😲 You aren't understanding apparently. I'm not setting any rules. I can be happy with a dirty house, and small meals and easy food prep, laundry that's not done etc. I'm not demanding that my husband lift a finger. It is him who expects that I can do these things hypothetically speaking, but also in my own personal life, so that's why I said my husband would have to pick up the slack, if he expects 10 different jobs to be done perfectly. So what I was trying to explain from all these attacks from you all, is that if a husband, or non-mother, or anyone for that matter, wants to judge what a mother should take on as another job on top of all her responsibilities, the person should not have expectations that she can do it all the same as before. She is still consecrating all her time, but it's impossible to do everything perfectly in that amount of time? Do you understand what I"m saying?
I knew you would love my handmaid comment 😂

I personally don’t think a woman should stay at home unless she is running (managing) a small farm.

I know a family with 10 kids, mother is their maid, she is one that wants it clean and it’s easier to do it herself. No one learns from that.

Did the lord talk about women working outside of the home?
I don't think it's that important how she works or how the children work or how the husband works. The principle is to not be idle but be working for something worthwhile, making God's work and education the first priority. But as a non-mother/woman how can you make a judgement call when you haven't been in a mother's shoes? Perhaps you can find a large family who will let you babysit for two weeks. Then you can report back.
This reply right here is why I think women should not be a stay at home mom, “who am I to judge” is what I read.

Let’s be equal, try to keep up is what I say!

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Re: What's your excuse for not homeschooling your children?

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Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:57 pm
Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:47 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:37 pm
Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:14 pm

Ok master. I love how you called me your handmaid 😲 You aren't understanding apparently. I'm not setting any rules. I can be happy with a dirty house, and small meals and easy food prep, laundry that's not done etc. I'm not demanding that my husband lift a finger. It is him who expects that I can do these things hypothetically speaking, but also in my own personal life, so that's why I said my husband would have to pick up the slack, if he expects 10 different jobs to be done perfectly. So what I was trying to explain from all these attacks from you all, is that if a husband, or non-mother, or anyone for that matter, wants to judge what a mother should take on as another job on top of all her responsibilities, the person should not have expectations that she can do it all the same as before. She is still consecrating all her time, but it's impossible to do everything perfectly in that amount of time? Do you understand what I"m saying?
I knew you would love my handmaid comment 😂

I personally don’t think a woman should stay at home unless she is running (managing) a small farm.

I know a family with 10 kids, mother is their maid, she is one that wants it clean and it’s easier to do it herself. No one learns from that.

Did the lord talk about women working outside of the home?
I don't think it's that important how she works or how the children work or how the husband works. The principle is to not be idle but be working for something worthwhile, making God's work and education the first priority. But as a non-mother/woman how can you make a judgement call when you haven't been in a mother's shoes? Perhaps you can find a large family who will let you babysit for two weeks. Then you can report back.
This reply right here is why I think women should not be a stay at home mom, “who am I to judge” is what I read.

Let’s be equal, try to keep up is what I say!
Then it sounds like you also approve of wives deciding if their husbands are working hard enough. And if she decides he could be doing more, she should tell him to work more.

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Re: What's your excuse for not homeschooling your children?

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Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 7:48 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:57 pm
Sarah wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:47 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:37 pm

I knew you would love my handmaid comment 😂

I personally don’t think a woman should stay at home unless she is running (managing) a small farm.

I know a family with 10 kids, mother is their maid, she is one that wants it clean and it’s easier to do it herself. No one learns from that.

Did the lord talk about women working outside of the home?
I don't think it's that important how she works or how the children work or how the husband works. The principle is to not be idle but be working for something worthwhile, making God's work and education the first priority. But as a non-mother/woman how can you make a judgement call when you haven't been in a mother's shoes? Perhaps you can find a large family who will let you babysit for two weeks. Then you can report back.
This reply right here is why I think women should not be a stay at home mom, “who am I to judge” is what I read.

Let’s be equal, try to keep up is what I say!
Then it sounds like you also approve of wives deciding if their husbands are working hard enough. And if she decides he could be doing more, she should tell him to work more.
I know a lot of lazy husbands, heck yes!

You will live by the sweat of your brow!

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