Condemnation due to neglecting a major theme of Book of Mormon: Secret Combinations?

[larsenb]

Ok, sorry, I meant "in the scriptures" - Bible, BOM, D&C, PGP?

These men present the Word of God in the videos.

Sorry, still not buying it. share a specific scripture or you can't make the claim.

How silly. Why would I waste my time when others have laid out truths far better than I can. Take the time to view their videos.

I personally,.from almost 2 1/2 decades of blogging, am not too impressed when people can't simply explain something in their own words, perhaps coupled with citations or scripture to back it up.

[Niemand]

So we are not under condemnation for not reading the Book of Mormon or warning of secret combinations.

I would imagine other things too. The church's record on charity is mixed to say the least. I regularly hear about genuinely vulnerable people who are turned away.

[BeNotDeceived]

So we are not under condemnation for not reading the Book of Mormon or warning of secret combinations.

We are under condemnation since 1834 when we failed to abide The Law in the Book of Commandments, as spelled out in Joseph in the Gap by Taylor Drake.

[simpleton]

Secret combinations comes about because of our neglecting the major theme of the book of Mormon, Which is the United Order, or the Law of Consecration, or the Order of Enoch, or becoming one. Take your pick.
Read the book, "Approaching Zion" (Hugh Nibley), and it all comes to light.
The Babylonian monetary system that we have going on now is going to crash. The system we are all used to and living in, is going to burn. And probably most of us are going to burn along with it. We are Babylonians to the core, just like the children of Isreal in Moses's time.
But that is the "major theme" of the BofM, Zion is the major theme, or rather the continual attempt to build it. The "secret combinations" is the result of selfishness and greed and failing in those attempts to become one.
And, what we see in the church today is exactly the same, because of our failure and our ancestors failure of "becoming one", this "secret combination" has encompassed us about, or rather we have joined up with them, from the head to the feet. We all love the spoils, Idols and entrapments of Babylon. So because of our selfishness and lust for money and our worshipping of idols, and all of our wickedness, we are going to be "swept clean, and very few men left, at least according to the scriptures and prophecies.
And then after this terrible cleansing, God says He will "write the law in our hearts" (or rather in the hearts of those that are left). And Zion then will rejoice and flourish and the Zion (Enochs) from above will come back and the Zion from below, (here on earth yet in the future) will go up and fall upon each others necks and weep for joy. For all will see eye to eye when God brings again Zion.

Long story short, we must repent and become "ONE" if we are, or want, to find safety, or redemption, or salvation.

[HisWrathSoon]

So we are not under condemnation for not reading the Book of Mormon or warning of secret combinations.

We are under condemnation since 1834 when we failed to abide The Law in the Book of Commandments, as spelled out in Joseph in the Gap by Taylor Drake.

We are under condemnation for not entering into the New and Everlasting Covenant as taught in the Book of Mormon.

[lundbaek]

I commend each of you folks who have contributed to this topic. During my last trip around the sun I have become increasingly concerned that to accomplish their goal, globalist conspirators are working to accomplish the following changes in all parts of our planet:

Population reduction,
Impoverishment of all people but themselves, and end of the middle class.
Control of where people live,
Control of where and how people work,
Ownership and control of all housing,
Control of accommodation and care of the elderly and the infirm.
Control of food production and distribution,
Control of wages/salaries,
Control of the cost of goods and services,
Control of all healthcare,
Control of education of children and of adult education,
Control of a single police force,
Control of a single military force,
A single currency, very likely a digital currency over which they have control and access,
Increased ability to create money/wealth out of nothing,
Control of religious teachings and practices,
Encouragement of iniquity among all people,
Increased manipulation of information, including misinformation and disinformation,
Confiscation of privately owned firearms,

If only more people realized this is happening.

[lundbaek]

Other eventual possibilities along the way:

Restrictions/limitations on travel,
Limitations on choices of food / dietary limitations
Sky high energy costs, especially fuel
Supply chain interruptions
destruction of family-owned farms

[Ancalagon]

The 15 are eating the fat. They only go where they are loved. They are probably good dudes , but they live in a fabrication.

"Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, that when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you;..."

The Lord has tasked us with learning all we can about the secret combinations mentioned in scriptures and by latter-day prophets, and doing all we can to make things right...since it is only thru us, His children, that He does his work here on earth. I believe that to avoid retribution the Church authorities have been very discrete and cautious to not publicly name names, etc., as to do so would surely provoke retribution. Other than recommending certain books like "None Dare Call it Conspiracy", "The Naked Communist", "Prophets, Principles, and National Survival", and "The Elders of Israel and the Constitution" I am not aware of any naming of names of conspirators engaged in destroying the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries.

It seems to me that most Latter-day Saints who are at all aware of these warnings do not know where to turn to begin learning more about the secret combinations and opposing their machinations. But it seems to me that asking God in prayer would be a good place to start.

These are important points that I never considered. Also I love Benson, but lundbaek is right, calling out communism in the time of the red scare and being anti-communist in a time when it was publically acceptable is not very risky. Had he named specific "power player" names, then it might have turned ugly real fast. Thank you both. Enjoying the thread so far!

[technomagus]

Define “combiniation”

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... s?lang=eng

An organization of people bound together by oaths to carry out the evil purposes of the group.

The father of lies stirreth up the children of men unto secret combinations, 2 Ne. 9:9.

I must needs destroy the secret works of darkness, 2 Ne. 10:15.

Judgments of God did come upon these workers of secret combinations, Alma 37:30.

Gadianton did prove almost the entire destruction of the people of Nephi, Hel. 2:4–13.

Satan put it into the hearts of the people to form secret oaths and covenants, Hel. 6:21–31.

The Lord worketh not in secret combinations, Ether 8:19.

Nations that uphold secret combinations shall be destroyed, Ether 8:22–23.

They did reject all the words of the prophets, because of their secret society, Ether 11:22.

From the days of Cain, there was a secret combination, Moses 5:51.

[larsenb]

. . . . Also I love Benson, but lundbaek is right, calling out communism in the time of the red scare and being anti-communist in a time when it was publically acceptable is not very risky. Had he named specific "power player" names, then it might have turned ugly real fast.

Well, he apparently highly recommended Gary Allen's book, None Dare Call it Conspiracy, in a GC session in early '70s. He also said of the book: "I wish that every citizen of every country in the free world and every slave behind the Iron Curtain might read this book.
Ezra Taft Benson —

And in this book, Allen was very explicit in naming the money powers (by name) as ultimately being behind Communism/Socialism. He also quoted extensively from Carrol Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope, which delves into the same subject.

[Ancalagon]

. . . . Also I love Benson, but lundbaek is right, calling out communism in the time of the red scare and being anti-communist in a time when it was publically acceptable is not very risky. Had he named specific "power player" names, then it might have turned ugly real fast.

Well, he apparently highly recommended Gary Allen's book, None Dare Call it Conspiracy, in a GC session in early '70s. He also said of the book: "I wish that every citizen of every country in the free world and every slave behind the Iron Curtain might read this book.
Ezra Taft Benson —

And in this book, Allen was very explicit in naming the money powers (by name) as ultimately being behind Communism/Socialism. He also quoted extensively from Carrol Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope, which delves into the same subject.

Good point. Didn't think about that, thank you for the insight!

[FrankOne]

"Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, that when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you;..."

How awful would it feel for the average LDS member to find out that the secret combinations are among them and sitting behind the podium at conference?

[lundbaek]

It in my understanding that in Ether 8:24 we Latter-day Saints have been commanded that "when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you;". That tells me that we shall see them come among us, and that we shall make ourselves aware of them. It seems to me that in Verse 23 we are commanded to oppose their getting above us.

President Boyd K. Packer, speaking in a 16 January 2007 BYU Devotional, and again in the August 2010 Ensign, stated: "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton ‘are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you. [Ether 8:20, 23–24].

I believe this obligates us to do all we can to take actions to determine what the murderous combinations are and what they are doing, and then, with God's help, oppose them. I have long noted a definite lack of interest among most Latter-day Saints in trying to identify and oppose the murderous combinations. For the most part, Latter-day Saints are not even trying. Just because Moroni, President Benson, and President Packer did not lay our a specific plan for us to follow does not absolve us from doing all we can to take actions to determine what the murderous combinations are and what they are doing, and then, with God's help, oppose them.

In other words, we have the prophetic warnings, especially in the Book of Mormon, of the 'secret combinations' taking over the complete control of government. To my mind, that requires Latter-day Saints to do something about 'Our Awful Situation' brought on by the murderous combinations.

[lundbaek]

6 December 1941, the U.S. army and navy forces on Hawaii had no clue; they were not expecting an enemy attack. Had they known of the impending attack, they would have been on the lookout and prepared for an enemy attack.
(Had we known of Japan's minute and continued interest in the exact location and movement of our ships in Pearl Harbor, as indicated in the Magic Messages , it is only logical that we would have concentrated our thought on meeting the practical certainty of an attack on Pearl Harbor… - Admiral William Halsey. My source: "The Final Secret or Pearl Harbor" by Rear Admiral Robert Theobald,)

18 October 2022, we LDSs have been warned by both ancient and latter-day prophets of a secret combination aspiring to control of all lands, and nations, and countries. (The Book of Ether, Chapter 8, Verses 23-25; President Ezra Taft Benson, October 1988 General Conference; President Boyd K. Packer, August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23)

(One would think we'd all be on the lookout for that secret combination.)

[GeeR]

6 December 1941, the U.S. army and navy forces on Hawaii had no clue; they were not expecting an enemy attack. Had they known of the impending attack, they would have been on the lookout and prepared for an enemy attack.
(Had we known of Japan's minute and continued interest in the exact location and movement of our ships in Pearl Harbor, as indicated in the Magic Messages , it is only logical that we would have concentrated our thought on meeting the practical certainty of an attack on Pearl Harbor… - Admiral William Halsey. My source: "The Final Secret or Pearl Harbor" by Rear Admiral Robert Theobald,)

18 October 2022, we LDSs have been warned by both ancient and latter-day prophets of a secret combination aspiring to control of all lands, and nations, and countries. (The Book of Ether, Chapter 8, Verses 23-25; President Ezra Taft Benson, October 1988 General Conference; President Boyd K. Packer, August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23)

(One would think we'd all be on the lookout for that secret combination.)

The movie Tora, Tora, Tora bears this out too. We were caught flat footed! I perceive the way things are playing out however, that any awakening of the public or Latter-day Saints, to an enemy attack will be a last minute event. Check out Ezra's Eagle.

Ezra's Eagle is an Apocryphal account of United States Presidents chronology and the terms they serve starting from 1929 to the end when the U.S. Constitution will be "saved." Yes, Ezra's Eagle is the Rosetta Stone or interpretative key that unlocks our understanding of Joseph Smiths cryptic Constitutional prophecy wherein he says: "Even this nation will be on the verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the Constitution is on the brink of ruin this people i.e. Elders of Israel will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction."

https://the-roaring-lion-book-store.mys ... zras-eagle

You're welcome.

[lundbaek]

I have long maintained the the U.S. army and nave forces on Hawaii were caught flatfooted because they were meant to be caught flatfooted. We Latter-day Saints are not meant to be caught flatfooted by the secret combination that Nephi, Moroni, President Benson, and President Packer warned us about. But I believe most Latter-day Saints are unaware of the secret combinations we have been warned about by Nephi, Moroni, President Benson, and President Packer, and others.

[Niemand]

. . . . Also I love Benson, but lundbaek is right, calling out communism in the time of the red scare and being anti-communist in a time when it was publically acceptable is not very risky. Had he named specific "power player" names, then it might have turned ugly real fast.

Well, he apparently highly recommended Gary Allen's book, None Dare Call it Conspiracy, in a GC session in early '70s. He also said of the book: "I wish that every citizen of every country in the free world and every slave behind the Iron Curtain might read this book.
Ezra Taft Benson —

And in this book, Allen was very explicit in naming the money powers (by name) as ultimately being behind Communism/Socialism. He also quoted extensively from Carrol Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope, which delves into the same subject.

I last read this book years ago, before I joined the church. I gave it to a RC friend and never got it back. While I found parts of it frustrating (because I either didn't agree or it was out of date) the book did detail groups that were not obviously Communist such as the Rockefellers and Warburg bankers.

It will be hopelessly out of date now. A lot has happened since its publication. The WEF wasn't around then and was low profile for example. So I don't think it's in there. Due to the nature of the source material, some info was not included (likely he wasn't aware of it) and there were one or two errors.

The book in general was surprisingly accurate from what I remember.

[Niemand]

6 December 1941, the U.S. army and navy forces on Hawaii had no clue; they were not expecting an enemy attack. Had they known of the impending attack, they would have been on the lookout and prepared for an enemy attack.
(Had we known of Japan's minute and continued interest in the exact location and movement of our ships in Pearl Harbor, as indicated in the Magic Messages , it is only logical that we would have concentrated our thought on meeting the practical certainty of an attack on Pearl Harbor… - Admiral William Halsey. My source: "The Final Secret or Pearl Harbor" by Rear Admiral Robert Theobald,)

18 October 2022, we LDSs have been warned by both ancient and latter-day prophets of a secret combination aspiring to control of all lands, and nations, and countries. (The Book of Ether, Chapter 8, Verses 23-25; President Ezra Taft Benson, October 1988 General Conference; President Boyd K. Packer, August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23)

(One would think we'd all be on the lookout for that secret combination.)

There are arguments that it could have been predicted. The USA was trading war materials with the various British colonies and allies before Pearl Harbour. That alone would have drawn Japanese ire. It was no secret that many American politicians were more sympathetic towards Britain than Japan.

Add to that that between Alaska and New Zealand there are only two major US outposts – Hawaii and American Samoa. The rest are tiny. Pearl Harbour is one of the best anchorages in the entire mid Pacific.

A Japanese attack on Hawaii was a fairly good bet in those circumstances. But supposedly the Japanese ambassador in Washington hadn't been told.

[lundbaek]

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Pearl Harbor is just one of many historical deceptions and government coverups by the secret combinations as they work to maneuver America along with all other lands, nations, and countries into a single unit under their control. I am finding that lots more people than I had previously realized are on to something destroying America, and other countries as well, but cannot seem to figure out what is really going on. Therefore, most LDS people feel helpless, or nearly so, when it comes to doing anything about it. And, sadly, I think most of them don't want to make the effort to dig into it and find out. Such LDS people of my acquaintance seem to believe that God will guide them thru what is coming down if they live the more basic principles of the gospel, and continue to ignore the warnings of Nephi, Moroni, President Benson, President Packer, and others.

[Light Seeker]

So we are not under condemnation for not reading the Book of Mormon or warning of secret combinations.

I appreciate your additions to the “great conversation” so much . This addition in my mind is incredibly pertinent.



We are under condemnation since 1834 when we failed to abide The Law in the Book of Commandments, as spelled out in Joseph in the Gap by Taylor Drake.

[innocentoldguy]

It's occurred to me that some of the rather disturbing directions we are seeing in the Church may be directly due to the fact that we (generally speaking, both members and leadership), have largely neglected one of the main messages, warnings and themes of the Book of Mormon; a message that could be placed in perhaps its top 3 messages and themes overall; namely that of Secret Combinations. If we are under condemnation for our neglect of the Book of Mormon, perhaps we still are because of our neglect of this major warning theme?

So the idea, isn't that we are neglecting the Book of Mormon, per se. Most of us have probably read it multiple times, and even taken to heart its main message as a testament of Jesus Christ, etc.

But what have we heard in recent decades about the dangers of secret combinations in our day, of which, Moroni emphatically warned us to be on the watch for and to guard against? Almost nothing.

The last thing I remember coming from the pulpit regarding high-level secret combinations, the type that could overthrow our country, came from Pres. Benson's I Testify Talk, Fall Conf. of 1988, which has been trotted out countless times on this forum. (see: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... y?lang=eng )

This idea is almost entirely neglected in our modern day theological discourse coming from the pulpit or in the awareness of the general membership. But it was a constant theme of Elder Benson, brought up one last time during his Presidency in his talk cited above; though entirely absent in President Benson's volume of The Teachings of the Presidents of the Church series.

Is this neglect the source of our present "condemnation", where we are seeing the very agendas of what many see as secret combinations being supported by our leadership? It makes sense. You are much more apt to be seduced by their agendas (many of which sound good on their face), if you deny or have blinders on, regarding their existence.

Here is a list of all the times people have spoken about secret combinations in general conference: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/sea ... nce&page=1

[lundbaek]

Elder Hartman Recktor Jr. spoke several times at fireside type events here in Mesa, Arizona about secret combinations and conspiracies in the 1990s, after he was on emeritus status. His presentations were based on works of Dr. W. Cleon Skousen, and very interesting.

[InfoWarrior82]

If you believe that the United Nations and Agenda 2030 are part of these secret combinations, then logically, you must accept that our church has officially joined with the secret combinations. It really is that simple.

So.... now what?

[lundbaek]

I do not believe that there has been an official joining of the LDS Church with the United Nations or with any element of the latter-day gadiantons (LDGs). But I do believe that the Church is doing its best to establish and maintain a relationship with them such that they will not turn on the Church and hinder its missionary and building programs. It is hard for me to see the Church muggying up to the LDGs, yet it seems to me that a large % of LDS Church members are of high degrees of socialist/progressive persuasions. They certainly do not see the evil in and behind the United Nations. Nor do they see the evil in and behind the illegal immigration and migrations into the United States, the increasing control over the earth's resources and governments, media, military and police, education, money, food production and distribution, money, healthcare, etc.

I have to admit to wondering why the Lord is allowing these things to happen, and at this point I can only assume that the Lord is allowing the wheat and the tares to have their ways for now. Frustration it is, I can tell you. I want to cry for America, but all I can do is get angry.

[InfoWarrior82]

I do not believe that there has been an official joining of the LDS Church with the United Nations or with any element of the latter-day gadiantons (LDGs). But I do believe that the Church is doing its best to establish and maintain a relationship with them such that they will not turn on the Church and hinder its missionary and building programs. It is hard for me to see the Church muggying up to the LDGs, yet it seems to me that a large % of LDS Church members are of high degrees of socialist/progressive persuasions. They certainly do not see the evil in and behind the United Nations. Nor do they see the evil in and behind the illegal immigration and migrations into the United States, the increasing control over the earth's resources and governments, media, military and police, education, money, food production and distribution, money, healthcare, etc.

lundbaek,

Have you seen this yet?


https://wedocs.unep.org/bitstream/handl ... sAllowed=y
Archived here in case they take it down: (https://web.archive.org/web/20200517082 ... sAllowed=y)

Page 43 is where it lists the name of our church along with other religious organizations as part of the council. How can you deny that we are not officially part of this?

Furthermore, here are church leaders bragging about implementing Agenda 2030:

Alignment of Church and U.N. Goals

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/chu ... ization%20

https://www.peacemakersnetwork.org/mult ... d-nations/

"About the Multi-faith Advisory Council

The Multi-faith Advisory Council (MFAC), an informal and voluntary entity that consists of more than 40 religious leaders and heads of faith-based organizations (FBOs), was established in 2018. The composition of the Council reflects the diversity of religions, regional and national presence, and covers different thematic areas that mirror the UN’s mandate. The MFAC, which serves as a unique space for convening faith-based partners as advisors to the United Nations, in their human rights, peace and security, and sustainable development efforts, is committed to uphold multilateralism and international human rights through multi-faith collaboration around/for Agenda 2030."

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QUESTION 3: Can you identify three main challenges to women’s full engagement in furthering the Agenda 2030 focusing on SDG 5 (gender equality), SDG 10 (reduced inequalities), and SDG 16 (peace, justice, and strong institutions)? What are the possible ways forward to overcome these challenges?

Sister Eubank: The challenge I choose to highlight is the assumption in policy circles that religion has nothing helpful to say about women because it is traditional, patriarchal, and the source of conflict. That is not only untrue, but it ignores the importance of religious faith to women themselves, 80 percent of whom identify with a religion and look to it for guidance. At the same time, religions can be actually held up in patriarchal constructs and practices.

Part of the look forward is in recognizing the importance of mobilizing women of faith to work on Sustainable Development Goals (SDG) issues and to acknowledge their faith not as a barrier but the key to progress and success. The 2030 agenda won’t happen without religion, and religion won’t happen without women. They are the movers.

The work would not be nearly where it is today without three women, and I want to pay tribute to them: Dr. Katherine Marshall, executive director of World Faiths’ Development Dialogue (and I recommend her book Women, Religion, and Peacebuilding); Dr. Azza Karam, who chairs the UN Interagency taskforce on Religion and Development; and Jean Duff, a founder of the Partnership for Faith and Development. These fearless women have worked tirelessly for decades to ensure the faith voices of women are included at every level of development and that faiths open themselves to healthy and transformative practices that benefit women and their families.

The SDG goals on gender equality, peace, and justice are tackling how to change culture and behavior. Faith has a power greater than almost anything else to motivate people to act, to change minds, to alter behavior.

One example is the success in Uganda with HIV/AIDS prevention. Uganda was part of the early epicenter of HIV/AIDS. Many governments in the region tackled it, but Ugandan religious leaders united with government to mitigate the stigma and discrimination surrounding HIV/AIDS. The group found a slogan all could support: ABC: Abstain, Be Faithful, use Condoms. Nearly all major religious institutions—Christian and Islamic—actively engaged. HIV/AIDS moved from curse/sin to a problem without borders.

Someone once asked me: “What is it like to serve in a humanitarian arena when religion is a factor?” Truthfully, religion is always a factor. Atheism and secularism are just as much a system of belief as any religion.

The way forward is to do just what this forum has as its goal. Invite and respect as many faith actors as possible, build understanding among them, and integrate them into every aspect of the 2030 SDG agenda. It will lead to the greatest success possible for equity, justice, and peace.

Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
18 ¶ And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

I have to admit to wondering why the Lord is allowing these things to happen, and at this point I can only assume that the Lord is allowing the wheat and the tares to have their ways for now. Frustration it is, I can tell you. I want to cry for America, but all I can do is get angry.

Because the Lord cut the church off and is now allowing the leaders to lead blindly.