An Evil, Pernicious Agenda is Afoot

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I believe some of you will agree that there is an evil, pernicious agenda afoot, to establish a single, centralized, world-wide socialist dictatorship governed by scheming men and women who plan to gain total control over all the earth's resources: human resources, natural resources, agricultural resources, industrial/manufacturing resources, economic/financial resources, intellectual resources, educational resources, etc., and to control the lives of people like us for their convenience. It seems to accomplish this goal, they are striving to accomplish the following changes in all parts of our planet:

Population reduction,
Impoverishment of all people but themselves,
Control of where people live,
Control of where and how people work,
Ownership and control of all housing,
Control of accommodation and care of the elderly and the infirm.
Control of food production and distribution,
Control of wages/salaries,
Control of the cost of goods and services,
Control of all healthcare,
Control of education of children and of adult education,
Control of a single police force,
Control of a single military force,
A single currency, very likely a digital currency over which they have control and access,
Control of religious teachings and practices,
Increased ability to create money/wealth out of nothing,
Confiscation of privately owned firearms,

Please add your suggestions to this list.

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lundbaek wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 10:40 am It seems to accomplish this goal, they are striving to accomplish the following changes in all parts of our planet:

Population reduction,
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Impoverishment of all people but themselves,
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Confiscation of privately owned firearms,
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They don't seem very good at accomplishing their goals.

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The elephant in the room has always been automation, at least for me. As far back as a century ago, people were predicting that machines would do all human work and since the advent of the microchip a lot of white collar work is being automated too.

Most of you are surplus to requirements.

This leads to a major problem, i.e. billions of angry unemployed people, and a few thousand superrich living off investments in their mansions, fortresses and islands. They can automate some of the security systems on their homes etc, but they know the odds are not in their favour.

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Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 11:04 am They don't seem very good at accomplishing their goals.
Depends where you are. The populations of Japan and Italy are demographic time bombs and China's demography was wrecked by the one child policy for decades.

Most of the developed world has a population issue which is being masked by mass immigration.

I was chatting with a Costa Rican last night who told me that they have a demographic issue there, which is being masked by bringing in Nicaraguans. I'm surprised it happens in Latin America too.

Africa, India and the Muslim world seem to be the main growth areas just now.

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Niemand wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:04 pm The elephant in the room has always been automation, at least for me. As far back as a century ago, people were predicting that machines would do all human work and since the advent of the microchip a lot of white collar work is being automated too.

Most of you are surplus to requirements.

This leads to a major problem, i.e. billions of angry unemployed people, and a few thousand superrich living off investments in their mansions, fortresses and islands. They can automate some of the security systems on their homes etc, but they know the odds are not in their favour.
An educated workforce changes with technology. Computers designed. People learn how to make them, use them, improve them, make robots, etc.

The world is not over populated.

Our lives are not too easy.

Satan controls all brains that believe in socialism. The crisis is one of ignorant, violent, socialists, exercising dominion over the complacent.

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Fred wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:21 pm An educated workforce changes with technology. Computers designed. People learn how to make them, use them, improve them, make robots, etc.
Up to a point, but apart from the arts. I can't think of much that can't be automated. Even within the arts, hack singers allow themselves to be autotuned and many creative projects are just degenerate. A human can write a much better novel or paint a better picture than a machine can, but the simple minded probably wouldn't know the difference.
The world is not over populated.

Our lives are not too easy.

Satan controls all brains that believe in socialism. The crisis is one of ignorant, violent, socialists, exercising dominion over the complacent.
I think population depends on where you are. In a country like China you have the two extremes. In some places millions live right on top of one another in ratlike conditions, but there is also open countryside with middling population, as well as plains and deserts with little to none.

Some parts of the world are very cramped. However, I suspect population reduction is more to do with the wants of the elite than the environment or human rights. You can guarantee the issue I've just mentioned has been discussed. Jobless billions vs a handful of parasites? They know those are not good odds.

Yes, I also agree that decades (if not centuries) of misrule have got us here.

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Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 11:04 am
lundbaek wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 10:40 am It seems to accomplish this goal, they are striving to accomplish the following changes in all parts of our planet:

Population reduction,
populationgrowthhistory2.jpg
Impoverishment of all people but themselves,
world_population_in_extreme_poverty_absolute.jpeg
Confiscation of privately owned firearms,
download (2).png


They don't seem very good at accomplishing their goals.
This is clever and made me laugh out loud, so thank you for that.

But will you acknowledge that this isn’t hypothetical anymore? You can literally read their books, listen to their talks, and read their policy papers stating the things lundbaek outlines as their goals.

The enemy is emboldened. As you point out, however, perhaps they are incompetent as well. I sure hope so.

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Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 11:04 am
lundbaek wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 10:40 am It seems to accomplish this goal, they are striving to accomplish the following changes in all parts of our planet:

Population reduction,
populationgrowthhistory2.jpg
Impoverishment of all people but themselves,
world_population_in_extreme_poverty_absolute.jpeg
Confiscation of privately owned firearms,
download (2).png


They don't seem very good at accomplishing their goals.

You're looking at old data. Here's what's really going on:

Image

nobody i know is cranking out 10 kids anymore - anyone else?

extreme poverty increased since Covid (your data only goes up to 2015 - 7 years ago):
The decline in income has translated into a sharp increase in global poverty. About 97 million more people are living on less than $1.90 a day because of the pandemic, increasing the global poverty rate from 7.8 to 9.1 percent; 163 million more are living on less than $5.50 a day. Globally, three to four years of progress toward ending extreme poverty are estimated to have been lost. ~ https://blogs.worldbank.org/development ... inequality
and the 1% got even richer during covid:
Image

pretty sure I didn't get my billion... during lockdown, anyone else? And that few thousand I did get? got ate up by gas and food inflation - I basically paid it back in local taxes, thanks for nothing.

And gun confiscation rates have nothing to do with how many guns people have. Lucky for me, I live in a state where they are increasing my personal freedoms with respect to guns, instead of the cro-magnon approach
guns r bad, mm-hmm...

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Niemand wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:28 pm
Fred wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:21 pm An educated workforce changes with technology. Computers designed. People learn how to make them, use them, improve them, make robots, etc.
Up to a point, but apart from the arts. I can't think of much that can't be automated. Even within the arts, hack singers allow themselves to be autotuned and many creative projects are just degenerate. A human can write a much better novel or paint a better picture than a machine can, but the simple minded probably wouldn't know the difference.
The world is not over populated.

Our lives are not too easy.

Satan controls all brains that believe in socialism. The crisis is one of ignorant, violent, socialists, exercising dominion over the complacent.
I think population depends on where you are. In a country like China you have the two extremes. In some places millions live right on top of one another in ratlike conditions, but there is also open countryside with middling population, as well as plains and deserts with little to none.

Some parts of the world are very cramped. However, I suspect population reduction is more to do with the wants of the elite than the environment or human rights. You can guarantee the issue I've just mentioned has been discussed. Jobless billions vs a handful of parasites? They know those are not good odds.

Yes, I also agree that decades (if not centuries) of misrule have got us here.
Somebody has to build the robots.

If one takes the problem out of the equation (satan}, then automation is a wonderful thing and only makes life better, more comfortable, and easier.

The actual effort to sustain life is not much and highly rewarding. Most farmers are multi-millionaires. They debt they have accumulated is only because of satan. Without satan, there would be no property taxes. or taxes of any kind. Without satan, life is like Gilligan's Island. The more one produces, the wealthier one gets. Whether children or apples.

God has a highly automated world. He can accomplish things just by thinking about it. Once you get rid of the socialists (satanists), everything changes.

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Niemand wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:09 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 11:04 am They don't seem very good at accomplishing their goals.
Depends where you are. The populations of Japan and Italy are demographic time bombs and China's demography was wrecked by the one child policy for decades.

Most of the developed world has a population issue which is being masked by mass immigration.

I was chatting with a Costa Rican last night who told me that they have a demographic issue there, which is being masked by bringing in Nicaraguans. I'm surprised it happens in Latin America too.

Africa, India and the Muslim world seem to be the main growth areas just now.
That's certainly true. But we can see how people are choosing things like pets over having families. With both an overall growing population, and people choosing to have fewer kids in the underpopulated places, I don't think a conspiracy explains anything we're seeing.

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endlessismyname wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:33 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 11:04 am
lundbaek wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 10:40 am It seems to accomplish this goal, they are striving to accomplish the following changes in all parts of our planet:

Population reduction,
populationgrowthhistory2.jpg
Impoverishment of all people but themselves,
world_population_in_extreme_poverty_absolute.jpeg
Confiscation of privately owned firearms,
download (2).png


They don't seem very good at accomplishing their goals.
This is clever and made me laugh out loud, so thank you for that.

But will you acknowledge that this isn’t hypothetical anymore? You can literally read their books, listen to their talks, and read their policy papers stating the things lundbaek outlines as their goals.

The enemy is emboldened. As you point out, however, perhaps they are incompetent as well. I sure hope so.
Some people want more people, some people want fewer. Some people want more guns, some people want fewer. People disagree. Why do people disagreeing need to be explained as some kind of organized agenda, instead of just politics as usual?

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mudflap wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:36 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 11:04 am
lundbaek wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 10:40 am It seems to accomplish this goal, they are striving to accomplish the following changes in all parts of our planet:

Population reduction,
populationgrowthhistory2.jpg
Impoverishment of all people but themselves,
world_population_in_extreme_poverty_absolute.jpeg
Confiscation of privately owned firearms,
download (2).png


They don't seem very good at accomplishing their goals.

You're looking at old data. Here's what's really going on:

Image

nobody i know is cranking out 10 kids anymore - anyone else?

extreme poverty increased since Covid (your data only goes up to 2015 - 7 years ago):
The decline in income has translated into a sharp increase in global poverty. About 97 million more people are living on less than $1.90 a day because of the pandemic, increasing the global poverty rate from 7.8 to 9.1 percent; 163 million more are living on less than $5.50 a day. Globally, three to four years of progress toward ending extreme poverty are estimated to have been lost. ~ https://blogs.worldbank.org/development ... inequality
and the 1% got even richer during covid:
Image

pretty sure I didn't get my billion... during lockdown, anyone else? And that few thousand I did get? got ate up by gas and food inflation - I basically paid it back in local taxes, thanks for nothing.

And gun confiscation rates have nothing to do with how many guns people have. Lucky for me, I live in a state where they are increasing my personal freedoms with respect to guns, instead of the cro-magnon approach
guns r bad, mm-hmm...
It isn't old data. Your graph simply 1) excludes an entire continent because it doesn't help their point, and 2) used the derivative function instead of the actual numbers because it also makes their graph more of what they want.

Yeah, COVID absolutely did reverse some of the gains. But we're talking about turning it back to 2016 levels, not turning it back to 1980 levels.
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lundbaek wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 10:40 am I believe some of you will agree that there is an evil, pernicious agenda afoot, to establish a single, centralized, world-wide socialist dictatorship governed by scheming men and women who plan to gain total control over all the earth's resources: human resources, natural resources, agricultural resources, industrial/manufacturing resources, economic/financial resources, intellectual resources, educational resources, etc., and to control the lives of people like us for their convenience. It seems to accomplish this goal, they are striving to accomplish the following changes in all parts of our planet:

Population reduction,
Impoverishment of all people but themselves,
Control of where people live,
Control of where and how people work,
Ownership and control of all housing,
Control of accommodation and care of the elderly and the infirm.
Control of food production and distribution,
Control of wages/salaries,
Control of the cost of goods and services,
Control of all healthcare,
Control of education of children and of adult education,
Control of a single police force,
Control of a single military force,
A single currency, very likely a digital currency over which they have control and access,
Control of religious teachings and practices,
Increased ability to create money/wealth out of nothing,
Confiscation of privately owned firearms,

Please add your suggestions to this list.
Add: One-world Religion, state-approved, unless you covered that with the religious control line item.

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Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 1:54 pm
mudflap wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:36 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 11:04 am
lundbaek wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 10:40 am It seems to accomplish this goal, they are striving to accomplish the following changes in all parts of our planet:

Population reduction,
populationgrowthhistory2.jpg
Impoverishment of all people but themselves,
world_population_in_extreme_poverty_absolute.jpeg
Confiscation of privately owned firearms,
download (2).png


They don't seem very good at accomplishing their goals.

You're looking at old data. Here's what's really going on:

Image

nobody i know is cranking out 10 kids anymore - anyone else?

extreme poverty increased since Covid (your data only goes up to 2015 - 7 years ago):
The decline in income has translated into a sharp increase in global poverty. About 97 million more people are living on less than $1.90 a day because of the pandemic, increasing the global poverty rate from 7.8 to 9.1 percent; 163 million more are living on less than $5.50 a day. Globally, three to four years of progress toward ending extreme poverty are estimated to have been lost. ~ https://blogs.worldbank.org/development ... inequality
and the 1% got even richer during covid:
Image

pretty sure I didn't get my billion... during lockdown, anyone else? And that few thousand I did get? got ate up by gas and food inflation - I basically paid it back in local taxes, thanks for nothing.

And gun confiscation rates have nothing to do with how many guns people have. Lucky for me, I live in a state where they are increasing my personal freedoms with respect to guns, instead of the cro-magnon approach
guns r bad, mm-hmm...
It isn't old data. Your graph simply 1) excludes an entire continent because it doesn't help their point, and 2) used the derivative function instead of the actual numbers because it also makes their graph more of what they want.

Yeah, COVID absolutely did reverse some of the gains. But we're talking about turning it back to 2016 levels, not turning it back to 1980 levels.
_114791808_poverty-nc.png
well then why didn't you post it? why did you post data only up to 2015, when we have newer data? The general population has been getting poorer - that's a current trend that you didn't point out.

you want the actual numbers instead of a derivative? ok:

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so no, we're not "overpopulated", and definitely not headed for a population explosion, and unless you just love the Georgia guidestone / WEF / NWO depopulation agenda, we should all be concerned as to who will be around to change diapers when we're 80+.

BTW, anthropomorphic climate change is also a hoax. And it's ok to be white. And vaccines don't save lives.

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As endlessismyname pointed out, the Gadiantons are open about the goals stated by lundbaek. As for their success in actually carrying them out? Thankfully subtlety is slow, and them rushing and being open over the last few years doesn't get it done any faster when more people are waking up to it.

Many degenerative social goals in children's schools have been combatted by parents in school boards across America, I don't know how it is in other countries. Population control? It's no secret that the miracles of modern medicine bring the shadow of cost, bureaucracy, barriers to entry, and a focus on treatment of symptoms over resolution of causes. Covid, it's origin, and everything resulting therefrom are an obvious screw-off of insidious, evil people and entire industries whose members join lock-step or are silenced and censored. They've been perhaps too slow about it for their purposes, but if the Georgia Guidestones were anything of significance, an eventual goal of depopulation is clear.

Poverty? There's been a mad dash to decrease people's standard of living over just the last two or three years. It's a broad concept though, and I don't worry much about it as often presented. What IS "poverty?" The people who allegedly want to plunge others into it are also the ones who both define it, and present information regarding it.

As for control of <insert anything here>? That's a goal they've obviously sought for decades. Look at media, news, health care, all forms of insurance, banking, increasing regulations on what landlords must accept for tenants, increased risk that must be accepted regarding home loans up to 2008, and the Federal Reserve's very existence.

The government is run by one or more Satanic criminal enterprises, modern-day Gadiantons. Their specific goals and levels of success are of secondary importance to me, but some of what has been suggested certainly seem true and are in line with the oppressive, communistic, anti-Christian values that would be held by any Gadiantonite/Satanic secret combination.

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mudflap wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 2:58 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 1:54 pm
mudflap wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:36 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 11:04 am
populationgrowthhistory2.jpg


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They don't seem very good at accomplishing their goals.

You're looking at old data. Here's what's really going on:

Image

nobody i know is cranking out 10 kids anymore - anyone else?

extreme poverty increased since Covid (your data only goes up to 2015 - 7 years ago):
The decline in income has translated into a sharp increase in global poverty. About 97 million more people are living on less than $1.90 a day because of the pandemic, increasing the global poverty rate from 7.8 to 9.1 percent; 163 million more are living on less than $5.50 a day. Globally, three to four years of progress toward ending extreme poverty are estimated to have been lost. ~ https://blogs.worldbank.org/development ... inequality
and the 1% got even richer during covid:
Image

pretty sure I didn't get my billion... during lockdown, anyone else? And that few thousand I did get? got ate up by gas and food inflation - I basically paid it back in local taxes, thanks for nothing.

And gun confiscation rates have nothing to do with how many guns people have. Lucky for me, I live in a state where they are increasing my personal freedoms with respect to guns, instead of the cro-magnon approach
guns r bad, mm-hmm...
It isn't old data. Your graph simply 1) excludes an entire continent because it doesn't help their point, and 2) used the derivative function instead of the actual numbers because it also makes their graph more of what they want.

Yeah, COVID absolutely did reverse some of the gains. But we're talking about turning it back to 2016 levels, not turning it back to 1980 levels.
_114791808_poverty-nc.png
well then why didn't you post it? why did you post data only up to 2015, when we have newer data? The general population has been getting poorer - that's a current trend that you didn't point out.

you want the actual numbers instead of a derivative? ok:

Image
so no, we're not "overpopulated", and definitely not headed for a population explosion, and unless you just love the Georgia guidestone / WEF / NWO depopulation agenda, we should all be concerned as to who will be around to change diapers when we're 80+.

BTW, anthropomorphic climate change is also a hoax. And it's ok to be white. And vaccines don't save lives.
The first chart was the one I found. It took a lot more searching to find a more recent one.

The general population is not getting poorer. Computerization and globalization has made things so much cheaper. Just looks at the average house size. When my parents were kids, houses were lucky to have one TV and one car. Now people have multiple tvs, cars, smart phones, computers, etc. People eat out more, they go on more vacations, spend lots of money on leisure activities. Americans are tons wealthier than before.
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Yeah, our population growing less than it was before, but still being positive for the foreseeable future. So population isn't going to decline. What's the problem?

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Fred wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:38 pm Somebody has to build the robots.

If one takes the problem out of the equation (satan}, then automation is a wonderful thing and only makes life better, more comfortable, and easier.

The actual effort to sustain life is not much and highly rewarding. Most farmers are multi-millionaires. They debt they have accumulated is only because of satan. Without satan, there would be no property taxes. or taxes of any kind. Without satan, life is like Gilligan's Island. The more one produces, the wealthier one gets. Whether children or apples.

God has a highly automated world. He can accomplish things just by thinking about it. Once you get rid of the socialists (satanists), everything changes.
They'll have machines that will make and repair other machines, or even themselves. The super rich won't need other people except as sex slaves or some other bizarre kink – maybe a butler.

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Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 1:39 pm That's certainly true. But we can see how people are choosing things like pets over having families. With both an overall growing population, and people choosing to have fewer kids in the underpopulated places, I don't think a conspiracy explains anything we're seeing.
The world's elite are quite open about reducing the population. However, publicly at least, they don't advocate extreme methods. What they say behind closed doors, such as in Bilderberg meetings, is probably quite different.

It's not all hidden away.

* China's population reduction has been there for all to see. Their one child policy has recently been abolished, but the damage has already been done.
* Marie Stopes International and other charities quite openly call for it, and push it through abortion and contraception.
* The climate movement also advocates for it (although the motivation for it is not necessarily driven by what they think.)
* Boris Johnson and Bill Gates have written about it in the past. The former has seven kids (we know of) and the latter at least four.

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Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 3:20 pm
The first chart was the one I found. It took a lot more searching to find a more recent one.

The general population is not getting poorer. Computerization and globalization has made things so much cheaper. Just looks at the average house size. When my parents were kids, houses were lucky to have one TV and one car. Now people have multiple tvs, cars, smart phones, computers, etc. People eat out more, they go on more vacations, spend lots of money on leisure activities. Americans are tons wealthier than before.
average-house-household-size-in-us-infographic.jpg

Yeah, our population growing less than it was before, but still being positive for the foreseeable future. So population isn't going to decline. What's the problem?
Now you're just being obtuse. :) One more correction, and then I'm out:

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... nequality/

It's obviously not even worth my time to post graphics proving my points, showing "lines going down", so I'm not even going to bother with the relevant quotes from this link. If you're interested (which I doubt), you'll read the links, maybe with your eyes open. Or not. I don't really care.

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mudflap wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 8:51 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 3:20 pm
The first chart was the one I found. It took a lot more searching to find a more recent one.

The general population is not getting poorer. Computerization and globalization has made things so much cheaper. Just looks at the average house size. When my parents were kids, houses were lucky to have one TV and one car. Now people have multiple tvs, cars, smart phones, computers, etc. People eat out more, they go on more vacations, spend lots of money on leisure activities. Americans are tons wealthier than before.
average-house-household-size-in-us-infographic.jpg

Yeah, our population growing less than it was before, but still being positive for the foreseeable future. So population isn't going to decline. What's the problem?
Now you're just being obtuse. :) One more correction, and then I'm out:

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-tren ... nequality/

It's obviously not even worth my time to post graphics proving my points, showing "lines going down", so I'm not even going to bother with the relevant quotes from this link. If you're interested (which I doubt), you'll read the links, maybe with your eyes open. Or not. I don't really care.
They aren't trending down. From your link:
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Who's being obtuse?

The way they're making things seem worse is only through class warfare and jealousy, making people feel poor because someone else is rich. But the raw numbers speak for themselves.

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Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 1:41 pm
endlessismyname wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 12:33 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 11:04 am
lundbaek wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 10:40 am It seems to accomplish this goal, they are striving to accomplish the following changes in all parts of our planet:

Population reduction,
populationgrowthhistory2.jpg
Impoverishment of all people but themselves,
world_population_in_extreme_poverty_absolute.jpeg
Confiscation of privately owned firearms,
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They don't seem very good at accomplishing their goals.
This is clever and made me laugh out loud, so thank you for that.

But will you acknowledge that this isn’t hypothetical anymore? You can literally read their books, listen to their talks, and read their policy papers stating the things lundbaek outlines as their goals.

The enemy is emboldened. As you point out, however, perhaps they are incompetent as well. I sure hope so.
Some people want more people, some people want fewer. Some people want more guns, some people want fewer. People disagree. Why do people disagreeing need to be explained as some kind of organized agenda, instead of just politics as usual?
Because it’s literally called “Agenda” in their documents, speeches, etc. And it seems pretty organized, from where I stand. I mean, there is a group of people who spend their entire lives going to UN meetings called “Agenda <X>”… I know, because I was almost one of them, and was being tutored by many of them.

Modern day Gads are organized, efficient, proficient, and credentialed. Just like the ones we read about in the BoM. Believing otherwise is a potentially fatal flaw.

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Re: An Evil, Pernicious Agenda is Afoot

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lundbaek wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 10:40 am I believe some of you will agree that there is an evil, pernicious agenda afoot, to establish a single, centralized, world-wide socialist dictatorship governed by scheming men and women who plan to gain total control over all the earth's resources: human resources, natural resources, agricultural resources, industrial/manufacturing resources, economic/financial resources, intellectual resources, educational resources, etc., and to control the lives of people like us for their convenience. It seems to accomplish this goal, they are striving to accomplish the following changes in all parts of our planet:

Population reduction,
Impoverishment of all people but themselves,
Control of where people live,
Control of where and how people work,
Ownership and control of all housing,
Control of accommodation and care of the elderly and the infirm.
Control of food production and distribution,
Control of wages/salaries,
Control of the cost of goods and services,
Control of all healthcare,
Control of education of children and of adult education,
Control of a single police force,
Control of a single military force,
A single currency, very likely a digital currency over which they have control and access,
Control of religious teachings and practices,
Increased ability to create money/wealth out of nothing,
Confiscation of privately owned firearms,

Please add your suggestions to this list.
I think the Book of Mormon describes what you are talking about - in this way -
and tried (unsuccessfully) to warn us of "SECRET COMBINATIONS"

I believe this NWO coming - as you have described, -
"to gain total control" "and to control the lives of people",
is at least - in part - fulfilling these scriptures *****


like I commented to your post "What is this "Secret Combination"

"What is this "Secret Combination" ?

I'll tell ya what it is - at least to a large extent.
All you have to do, is just look at W.H.O. the church is taking orders from and bows down to - (cause it sure ain't Jesus Christ)
and you'll be starring at them in the face.
Just look at all the ties and organizations with Babylon, that the church supports and is involved in.

as I've said before

is it any wonder that we are seeing what we are seeing from the church these days.

Here we have the keystone of our religion - The Book of Mormon
warning us of secret combinations, "which shall be among you"
"which are built up to get power and gain—, until they shall spread over the nation"
"Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you"
"Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you
that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination
which shall be among you"

and when we see them right in front of us -
instead of church leaders warning us - as Moroni did -
asking members to "awake to a sense of your awful situation" - exposing them and their evil plan,
THE PROPHET ASKS US TO BE GOOD GLOBAL CITIZENS AND JOIN THEM ! - getting their snake bite !

if that doesn't tell you something - then NOTHING WILL,
and you really ARE asleep - (OR DEAD)
and need to "awake to a sense of your awful situation"

Modern Gentiles are warned against the secret combination
that will seek to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries.

Ether 8

18 And it came to pass that they formed a secret combination, even as they of old; which combination is most abominable and wicked above all, in the sight of God;

19 For the Lord worketh not in secret combinations, neither doth he will that man should shed blood, but in all things hath forbidden it, from the beginning of man.

20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people, and they are had among the Lamanites.

21 And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.

22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

***** 25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved.

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Re: An Evil, Pernicious Agenda is Afoot

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Being There wrote: September 23rd, 2022, 9:01 am
lundbaek wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 10:40 am I believe some of you will agree that there is an evil, pernicious agenda afoot, to establish a single, centralized, world-wide socialist dictatorship governed by scheming men and women who plan to gain total control over all the earth's resources: human resources, natural resources, agricultural resources, industrial/manufacturing resources, economic/financial resources, intellectual resources, educational resources, etc., and to control the lives of people like us for their convenience. It seems to accomplish this goal, they are striving to accomplish the following changes in all parts of our planet:

Population reduction,
Impoverishment of all people but themselves,
Control of where people live,
Control of where and how people work,
Ownership and control of all housing,
Control of accommodation and care of the elderly and the infirm.
Control of food production and distribution,
Control of wages/salaries,
Control of the cost of goods and services,
Control of all healthcare,
Control of education of children and of adult education,
Control of a single police force,
Control of a single military force,
A single currency, very likely a digital currency over which they have control and access,
Control of religious teachings and practices,
Increased ability to create money/wealth out of nothing,
Confiscation of privately owned firearms,

Please add your suggestions to this list.
I think the Book of Mormon describes what you are talking about - in this way -
and tried (unsuccessfully) to warn us of "SECRET COMBINATIONS"

I believe this NWO coming - as you have described, -
"to gain total control" "and to control the lives of people",
is at least - in part - fulfilling these scriptures *****


like I commented to your post "What is this "Secret Combination"

"What is this "Secret Combination" ?

I'll tell ya what it is - at least to a large extent.
All you have to do, is just look at W.H.O. the church is taking orders from and bows down to - (cause it sure ain't Jesus Christ)
and you'll be starring at them in the face.
Just look at all the ties and organizations with Babylon, that the church supports and is involved in.

as I've said before

is it any wonder that we are seeing what we are seeing from the church these days.

Here we have the keystone of our religion - The Book of Mormon
warning us of secret combinations, "which shall be among you"
"which are built up to get power and gain—, until they shall spread over the nation"
"Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you"
"Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you
that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination
which shall be among you"

and when we see them right in front of us -
instead of church leaders warning us - as Moroni did -
asking members to "awake to a sense of your awful situation" - exposing them and their evil plan,
THE PROPHET ASKS US TO BE GOOD GLOBAL CITIZENS AND JOIN THEM ! - getting their snake bite !

if that doesn't tell you something - then NOTHING WILL,
and you really ARE asleep - (OR DEAD)
and need to "awake to a sense of your awful situation"

Modern Gentiles are warned against the secret combination
that will seek to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries.

Ether 8

18 And it came to pass that they formed a secret combination, even as they of old; which combination is most abominable and wicked above all, in the sight of God;

19 For the Lord worketh not in secret combinations, neither doth he will that man should shed blood, but in all things hath forbidden it, from the beginning of man.

20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people, and they are had among the Lamanites.

21 And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.

22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

***** 25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved.
Man, I love that section of scripture!

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There's folks who know the world is on the decline, and then there's everyone else:

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Re: An Evil, Pernicious Agenda is Afoot

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In his above post, being there expressed a genuine and serious concern shared by many Church members, I am sure.

"Here we have the keystone of our religion - The Book of Mormon
warning us of secret combinations, "which shall be among you"
"which are built up to get power and gain—, until they shall spread over the nation"
"Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you"
"Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you
that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination
which shall be among you"

"and when we see them right in front of us -
instead of church leaders warning us - as Moroni did -
asking members to "awake to a sense of your awful situation" - exposing them and their evil plan,
THE PROPHET ASKS US TO BE GOOD GLOBAL CITIZENS AND JOIN THEM ! - getting their snake bite !

"if that doesn't tell you something - then NOTHING WILL,
and you really ARE asleep - (OR DEAD)
and need to "awake to a sense of your awful situation" "

In trying to cut the Church as much slack as possible, I can only state my belief that members had the opportunity in past years and decades to unitedly do as prophets counselled us. Do the words "must" and "should" in these statements make them commandments which God will hold us accountable to obey?

The Lord, Jesus the Christ, in a recorded revelation to the Prophet Joseph Smith, stated, "I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;"

President Ezra Taft Benson, in an address given at the Provo Freedom Festival on 29 June 1986, stated, "We must study and learn for ourselves the principles laid down in the Constitution which have preserved our freedom for the last two hundred years."

President Benson, in a First Presidency Statement of 15 January, said that "We, as Latter-day Saints, must be vigilant in doing our part to preserve the Constitution and safeguard the way of life it makes possible."

President Benson, in a September 1987 Ensign article, said five things that we must do:
"We must be righteous and moral. We must live the gospel principles - all of them."
"We must learn the principles of the Constitution and then abide by its precepts."
"We must become involved in civic affairs."
"We must make our influence felt by our vote, our letters, and our advice."
"We must be wisely informed and let others know how we feel."

President Benson, speaking as a prophet in the October 1987 General Conference, told us five things that we must do:
“We must be righteous.”
“We must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers.”
“We must become involved in civic affairs.”
“We must make our influence felt by our vote, our letters, our teaching, and our advice.”
“We must become accurately informed and let others know how we feel. We must take part in local precinct meetings and select delegates who will truly represent our feelings."

President Dallin H. Oaks, speaking as a member of the First Presidency in the April 2021 General Conference, said, "“Our belief in divine inspiration gives Latter-day Saints a unique responsibility to uphold and defend the United States Constitution”. He also said “We should learn and advocate the inspired principles of the Constitution."

By ignoring these words of counsel, we have suffered those murderous combinations to get above us, to the extent that any effort by the Church to oppose them would bring retribution against the Church that would greatly hinder its missionary and building programs.

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