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Do you know even a single person with “autism” that has never received vaxxinations of any kind?

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Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 9:25 am
madvin wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 9:23 am We assume that vaccine ingredients have not changed since it became "commonplace" in the '60's and even prior to that, but haven't the ingredients changed through the years and haven't they become even more toxic in the recent past and continue along those lines even up until now? It is the heavy metals among other toxins that have caused such a rise in autism. Not to mention the aforementioned poisons in the water and the air.
So we should assume that the ingredients HAVE changed and that these changes have caused the rise?
I think so

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Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 7:52 am
mudflap wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 7:28 am So, Artexerxes, are you claiming that since autism-like traits pre-date vaccines, that vaccines do not cause autism?
No, the prior claim that I was responding to was "Autism started when they began injecting children with mercury." That is false.
Ok, fair enough. I agree - I don't think autism started when they began injecting children with mercury. But I think mercury can do at least two things:
1. it can exacerbate a pre-existing genetic tendency towards autism through the pathway, such as inhibiting the methylation pathways: https://www.amymyersmd.com/article/mthfr-mutation/ in those with a MTHFR mutation, for example.
2. It can induce autism in those with no genetic tendency through heavy-metal poisoning. One example that makes the CDC and BigPharma bristle for example, is that following the CDC recommended and scientifically untested "recommended vaccine immunization schedule" gives children levels of mercury the CDC considers unsafe. (1)

Joseph Smith's brother Alvin died from mercury poisoning.

(1) https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmp078187 read the whole article, and keep in mind that it was funded by the very people who stand to lose big time. For the un-initiated: "read between the lines". In other words, follow the money. Of course they deny it (because they have to) by way of "word salad" "peer reviewed studies", but there are plenty of VAERS cases where the plaintiff was awarded millions in damages, thus proving otherwise. This article shows the CDC knew the levels of mercury in vaccines were unsafe all along.

I took a photo of a box of flu vaccine in 2017 proving they are still using thimerosal in vaccines - it's right on the box as one of the ingredients.

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I've never met an unvaccinated person with autism... But I can probably count the number of people I've met and know to be unvaccinated on my fingers. It's hardly a useful sample size.

I can say that I received all of the standard vaccinations in young childhood, and find myself somewhere on the spectrum. Met plenty of people vaccinated who don't seem to be it at all, however.

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Jamescm wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 3:40 pm I've never met an unvaccinated person with autism... But I can probably count the number of people I've met and know to be unvaccinated on my fingers. It's hardly a useful sample size.

I can say that I received all of the standard vaccinations in young childhood, and find myself somewhere on the spectrum. Met plenty of people vaccinated who don't seem to be it at all, however.
The two obvious problems are I can't tell who's completely unvax'd and (despite what some people here say) I can't always spot if someone's mildly autistic. Some autistic people are obvious but a significant number are not, and I don't always know unless they disclose it. I don't exactly go round asking people these questions.

The vaccinated population is very high here, higher than the States. However, there are many people, including myself, who got childhood vaccinations who did NOT opt for the recent MRNA Covid injections.

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It’s my understanding that the ingredients did change. Sorry no source but my memory, if it serves me right. When the vaccine industry was going bankrupt in the 80’s from lawsuits the US government released the companies from liability and bailed out the industry. But the industry still needed to make a profit. They changed to cheaper preservatives to be able to then mass produce more. Cheaper preservatives allow a shelf stable product that lasted longer for shipping/storage, thus lowering overhead cost and getting their product world wide. Thimerosol became the preservative of choice despite it containing mercury and formaldehyde. It is still used in mass produced flu vaccines today.

Rates of autism definitely increased in the late 90’s from improved testing. I think this was a result of the internet facilitating awareness. But it’s also when fluoride started being added to the water in a lot of municipalities. I think the “increased diagnosis” mantra has become a narrative to distract from the real cause. It can justify a large spike, but not a long term increase. One is an anomaly in data. A long term increase dictates is an epidemic. In two decades Autism increased from a 1% rate to upwards of 23% in the population. No other disability has a history of exploding so quickly outside of agent orange and swine flu vaccine injuries in the 70’s.

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Maroriginal1 wrote: September 23rd, 2022, 8:37 pm Rates of autism definitely increased in the late 90’s from improved testing. I think this was a result of the internet facilitating awareness. But it’s also when fluoride started being added to the water in a lot of municipalities. I think the “increased diagnosis” mantra has become a narrative to distract from the real cause.
That doesn't really apply to older people who are also being diagnosed, and whose symptoms were around before the late 1990s.

It's also become common in parts of the world where water fluoridation still doesn't occur like certain parts of the northern Scottish Highlands. You could argue that's down to toothpaste, but that's beginning to reach.

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There is no one smoking gun to Autism. Just a lot of concerning correlating factors. Autism has been around a long time with common ratios comparable to other disabilities that happen randomly. My point is that the recent increase is not normal natural selection. Something else is contributing.

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Maroriginal1 wrote: September 24th, 2022, 8:33 am There is no one smoking gun to Autism. Just a lot of concerning correlating factors. Autism has been around a long time with common ratios comparable to other disabilities that happen randomly. My point is that the recent increase is not normal natural selection. Something else is contributing.
The recent increase is down often down to diagnosis... it's not just being picked up in the young either.

However, as I point out there is another major possible culprit which is the television. If your children are raised by television they will not be socialised. I am lucky in that when I was very young we often didn't have a TV signal and when we did it was only three channels. So I often went to play with other children or got out and did things. Now it's hundreds 24/7.

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The idea of tv is interesting. I can see that contributing to the problem with social development.

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the diagnosis of autism is certainly interesting and has been affected by many things.

first, the amount of lawsuits that have been won when using mercury as the villian has increased, although not all lawsuits are fact but relational . . .the idea that it couldn't be anything else!!! maybe . .so all the alt media reporters that are too lazy to research the lawsuit results on various chemicals. in other words, lawsuits are designed to earn money and sometimes chemical manufacturers just basically give up and want to move on.

Vaccine has been used for lawsuits to gain $$$ as well and some are based on relationship rather than total proof that this is the smoking gun

This doesn't take from the truth that some chemicals HAVE caused bad health problems.

second, the type of testing for this is not done with a blood test but rather with a social survey using a series of questions answered by observers. The list that was posted on here was answered as a possible list of mental disorders. . . true

I taught in one school where the kid was diagnosed as behavior disordered and he was autistic . . it was obvious with other teachers as well as me. so we changed that. In another school the spe ed teacher insisted that a kid was autistic and he was schizophrenic.

With older children and adults you could be trying to diagnose a person that uses illegal drugs. After a fit of anger and destruction of my bedroom, my ex went to a "counselor" immediately to get the diagnosis of bipolar. He was actually using meth regularly but this diagnosis made it almost impossible for the police to intervene. My son tried the same thing . . drugs, mostly meth and acohol, and then claimed that he had bipolar. Thank God the people who independently diagnosed him knew it was drugs.

Doctors often diagnose autism and mental illnesses incorrectly, too. however, there are some true signs of autism before the age of three that are pretty consistent if the doctor takes time to properly diagnose. remember these are the same doctors that are diagnosing the public and how do you think they are doing.

so diagnosis is really a problem cuz people are swayed, just like some of you posters, and other factors can make it appear as if it is autism. When those other factors are taken away then the autism disappears.

I have often thought that it was an environmental cause, but I would definitely consider the idea of a mild seizure disorder. I have worked with plenty of children with seizure, of course, various mental illnesses, autism, etc. That could explain the fear and wanting things consistent since a small seizure can make a person forget where they are and what they were doing.

however, an argument to the other side says that seizures make it very hard for haviong a good memory since seizures cause to you to forget what you were just told.

I have never figured out the connection between IQ level in autistic children thus creating some to be normal IQ and others to be severe mental disordered. personally, I think it has become a catchphrase and most of the diagnosis today are incorrect.

so far as past true diagnosis of autism even 50+ years ago. . . questionable . . . none documented as factual but just guesses. as smart as we keep getting told that we are . . we are so far in the dark...We still haven't even cured blindness or deafness. even Jesus did that.

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Beyond vaccines, you also have to look at what substances the mother was on while pregnant. For example, was she on anti-depressants or other drugs that could affect the development of the child.

The older generation might also remember more people being born with missing or under-developed limbs as a result of the mother taking a drug that doctors assured them was safe.

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There was a study a pediatrician did a few years ago on health outcomes of vaxxed vs delayed vaccinations n, vs unvaxxed. And from what I recall the unvaxxed group was better in several areas.

Here's the study
https://ipaknowledge.org/ipak-vaxxed-v- ... -study.php

I think this is a press release on it (summarizing the outcomes of the different groups)
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defe ... ated-kids/

I think the state medical board afterwards went after him because they said he treated another one of his patients unethically, but from what I could tell it was just to shut him up, and to try to discredit the research he'd done and the damning conclusions it arrived at.

There are heavy metals in most all vaccines the ones that they pulled the mercury out of they replaced with the adjuvant Aluminum which messes up the nervous system in pretty much the same way. I think there are other chemical causes too (pesticides like roundup on GMO everything everyone eats), other chemical exposure too, but I think it's mostly caused by all of the vaccines given to children (I think the schedule now calls for like 70 different shots compared to like 10 in the early 80's when I was a kid).
Basically since drug companies were given immunity from lawsuits, they were given a perverse incentive to make as many different types of vaccines as possible and get them added to the schedule, which the CDC and FDA were glad.to do since they were captured by drug companies and so they all.madw more money at the expense of many children's health.

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Artaxerxes wrote: September 20th, 2022, 2:15 pm
madvin wrote: September 20th, 2022, 2:08 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: September 20th, 2022, 2:02 pm
madvin wrote: September 20th, 2022, 1:58 pm

How would one know that autism was a thing back then?
They didn't. As I said, people demonstrated the symptoms of what we would call autism nowadays, even though they didn't have the term for it.

For example, Hugh Blair was known for:

Always wearing the same piece of clothing which he repaired by sewing patches of new cloth stolen from other people without their knowledge
Requesting the same seat in church and engaging in repetitive acts.
Compulsively keeping objects in the same order.
Attending every nearby burial, regardless of whether he knew the deceased.
Making unannounced visits to others and being oblivious to social cues. For example, he copied greetings but never initiated them.
Socialized with servants who insulted him and played pranks on him, unaware he was the object of their ridicule.
While most considered him feeble-minded, some were impressed with his long term memory.
Ate his meals alone and would allow his pet cat to eat off of his plate.
Compulsively washed his wig so that he could see the water drops falling from it.
Repetitively carried rocks and pieces of wood from one place to another for no reason.
After watching some workers, he acquired a great interest in dry stone dykes despite not knowing their use. He built one on his own estate that went nowhere and served no purpose.
Was socially innocent and would strip naked if asked to do so, even if he were in public.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Blair_of_Borgue

No one would hesitate to call this autism.
I'd call it mental illness.
Which one? Which mental illness causes people to engage in repetitive behavior and be socially unaware?
You sound like an MD. They seem to have the need to pigeonhole sicknesses in order to sell more drug.

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EvanLM wrote: September 28th, 2022, 9:47 am
as smart as we keep getting told that we are . . we are so far in the dark...We still haven't even cured blindness or deafness. even Jesus did that.
And we will stay that way as long as we continue to follow allopathic medicine to "cure" all "diseases", which they don't

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madvin wrote: September 28th, 2022, 1:33 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: September 20th, 2022, 2:15 pm
madvin wrote: September 20th, 2022, 2:08 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: September 20th, 2022, 2:02 pm

They didn't. As I said, people demonstrated the symptoms of what we would call autism nowadays, even though they didn't have the term for it.

For example, Hugh Blair was known for:

Always wearing the same piece of clothing which he repaired by sewing patches of new cloth stolen from other people without their knowledge
Requesting the same seat in church and engaging in repetitive acts.
Compulsively keeping objects in the same order.
Attending every nearby burial, regardless of whether he knew the deceased.
Making unannounced visits to others and being oblivious to social cues. For example, he copied greetings but never initiated them.
Socialized with servants who insulted him and played pranks on him, unaware he was the object of their ridicule.
While most considered him feeble-minded, some were impressed with his long term memory.
Ate his meals alone and would allow his pet cat to eat off of his plate.
Compulsively washed his wig so that he could see the water drops falling from it.
Repetitively carried rocks and pieces of wood from one place to another for no reason.
After watching some workers, he acquired a great interest in dry stone dykes despite not knowing their use. He built one on his own estate that went nowhere and served no purpose.
Was socially innocent and would strip naked if asked to do so, even if he were in public.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Blair_of_Borgue

No one would hesitate to call this autism.
I'd call it mental illness.
Which one? Which mental illness causes people to engage in repetitive behavior and be socially unaware?
You sound like an MD. They seem to have the need to pigeonhole sicknesses in order to sell more drug.
The question is whether autism predates vaccines. Isn't it appropriate to determine if someone had that specific mental illness?

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creator wrote: September 28th, 2022, 9:53 am Beyond vaccines, you also have to look at what substances the mother was on while pregnant. For example, was she on anti-depressants or other drugs that could affect the development of the child.

The older generation might also remember more people being born with missing or under-developed limbs as a result of the mother taking a drug that doctors assured them was safe.

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I am just adding my family experience. I have a brother, born in ’73, who is on the spectrum. He’s your basic computer programming nerd today, and actually married with kids. We grew up on a farm, and were all unvaccinated until he was about 9 years old. Some doctor scared my mom in to relenting, and we all got vaccinations at that time. His autism and personality didn’t really change after vaccinations. We also played outside and off the TV. Our food was all home grown and meat, home or neighbor raised until we moved away from the farm when he was about 8. We also had well water that was filtered by an expensive filter, so I don’t think added fluoride was a culprit either.
I tell you that because I think my brother is an example of vaccines not being the cause for him. I do believe for some though, vaccines are definitely the instigator.

I think the causes of Autism are multifaceted. I wish they would find out the cause(s) though. The thought that people had Autism in the past, but it was just misdiagnosed, only accounts for a small part. The exponential increase in cases cannot simply be explained away by a misdiagnosis or even undiagnosed cases.

I have an adult daughter who is on the spectrum. And yes, she was vaccinated. I have no idea really if that was the cause, or if it exacerbated things for her. The autism is causing a lot of mental health issues for her though.

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Artaxerxes wrote: September 28th, 2022, 10:57 pm The question is whether autism predates vaccines. Isn't it appropriate to determine if someone had that specific mental illness?
It's arguable whether an autistic person is "mentally ill" all the time. "Condition" is more accurate in some ways because it is usually life long and doesn't always affect someone badly. As a real life example, I met up last night with one of my friends who was diagnosed with Aspergers many years ago. While I could still notice his traits, he was in a very good place. He has his own band, now has a job he loves and is in a good place overall. His one regret is that he doesn't have a girlfriend just now, but he has had two in the recent past and I think he will again soon.

I first met him in 2021. He had moved here during the lockdown, so he had struggled with meeting people and there was almost nothing going on for him to do so. I introduced him to my social circle who liked him and to some musician friends of mine, who run a studio and jam together. He loves that and I went to see him doing a public gig at the beginning of this month.

After a couple of bad jobs, he's now financially stable and is now in one that he really enjoys as a carer. In fact, he's doing better for himself than me in some ways and a lot of the non-autistic people I know. I wouldn't describe him as "mentally ill" just now.

I've spoken to him about the issue of a cure. Basically he said to me what a number of other autistic people have said to me... that they wouldn't wish to be cured of autism altogether but they'd want rid of the negative aspect. Despite what people here seem to think they don't all spend their lives on repetitive behaviour and banging their heads off walls. In fact, I've never seen him exhibit "repetitive behaviour" at all.

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The challenge with autism is the spectrum is so broad. My brother was profound, non verbal, head banging, etc. and yet he would be lumped in the same diagnosis as somebody verbal, brilliant and functioning quite well in life. That doesn’t make sense to me and isn’t fair to either. I think the mental health community is long overdue to specify the range more clearly. An additional challenge is that technically autism can only be diagnosed when symptoms are present in childhood because it requires developmental delay as part of the criteria. Yet many mental illnesses cannot be diagnosed until the age of 18, such as schizophrenia. So autism has become more of a catch all. Anytime diagnosis is made based on symptoms rather than physical bio markers, the fallibility is going to be high.

I’ll throw out an interesting rabbit hole to go down. There is a theory growing that some autism/mental illness is caused by an autoimmune reaction to viruses. The medical condition PANDAS came about over a decade ago. Young kids were getting diagnosed with Tourette’s Syndrome until a pattern emerged that their symptoms started after strep throat. Researchers found that the strep caused the motor section of the brain to develop inflammation, for some it’s permanent. Researchers are now thinking a variety of illness can cause brain inflammation and that a large portion of the mentally ill/autistic are really autoimmune diseases of the brain. This is where I think vaccines come in and why the high autism numbers are not purely the diagnosis challenge. When you force the body to have an artificial reaction to a pathogen it’s logical a chain reaction of inflammatory events take place in the body. Kids get over 70 doses in a few short years. Add on all the other colds and flus. Add in toxins, radiation, increased chemicals in our diet, electromagnetic technology, BPA plastics…..the list is huge! I think there are consequence to the over taxing of our immune systems.

https://www.spectrumnews.org/features/d ... on-autism/

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Maroriginal1 wrote: September 29th, 2022, 8:40 am The challenge with autism is the spectrum is so broad. My brother was profound, non verbal, head banging, etc. and yet he would be lumped in the same diagnosis as somebody verbal, brilliant and functioning quite well in life. That doesn’t make sense to me and isn’t fair to either. I think the mental health community is long overdue to specify the range more clearly. An additional challenge is that technically autism can only be diagnosed when symptoms are present in childhood because it requires developmental delay as part of the criteria. Yet many mental illnesses cannot be diagnosed until the age of 18, such as schizophrenia. So autism has become more of a catch all. Anytime diagnosis is made based on symptoms rather than physical bio markers, the fallibility is going to be high.

I’ll throw out an interesting rabbit hole to go down. There is a theory growing that some autism/mental illness is caused by an autoimmune reaction to viruses. The medical condition PANDAS came about over a decade ago. Young kids were getting diagnosed with Tourette’s Syndrome until a pattern emerged that their symptoms started after strep throat. Researchers found that the strep caused the motor section of the brain to develop inflammation, for some it’s permanent. Researchers are now thinking a variety of illness can cause brain inflammation and that a large portion of the mentally ill/autistic are really autoimmune diseases of the brain. This is where I think vaccines come in and why the high autism numbers are not purely the diagnosis challenge. When you force the body to have an artificial reaction to a pathogen it’s logical a chain reaction of inflammatory events take place in the body. Kids get over 70 doses in a few short years. Add on all the other colds and flus. Add in toxins, radiation, increased chemicals in our diet, electromagnetic technology, BPA plastics…..the list is huge! I think there are consequence to the over taxing of our immune systems.

https://www.spectrumnews.org/features/d ... on-autism/
Very well explained arguments re. autism and vaccines.

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Maroriginal1 wrote: September 29th, 2022, 8:40 am The challenge with autism is the spectrum is so broad. My brother was profound, non verbal, head banging, etc. and yet he would be lumped in the same diagnosis as somebody verbal, brilliant and functioning quite well in life. That doesn’t make sense to me and isn’t fair to either. I think the mental health community is long overdue to specify the range more clearly.
The terminology in medicine is constantly shifting. When I was a boy almost no one was diagnosed with autism except the non-verbal types, so it "didn't exist". Then in the ?late nineties "Aspergers" came in, which is a horrible name (it contains the word "4ss" more or less) and then it emerged that Dr. Asperger turned out to have sent autistic kids to be eugenicised in Germany.

So now no one has Aspergers because that's been struck off the record. Then along came ASD, but I learnt last night that that's apparently now off the menu and it's ASC.

I do agree that "autism" covers too broad a range of conditions. But at one point, some of it was lumped in with schizophrenia which seems to be a catchall name for an even broader range of conditions. (Including political dissidents in the USSR and China).
An additional challenge is that technically autism can only be diagnosed when symptoms are present in childhood because it requires developmental delay as part of the criteria.
That isn't true anymore. I know of older people who've been diagnosed. One is a retired school teacher, in his sixties/seventies I think.

Screening is still very much geared at kids though, and males. It seems to be missed a lot more in females.
I’ll throw out an interesting rabbit hole to go down. There is a theory growing that some autism/mental illness is caused by an autoimmune reaction to viruses. The medical condition PANDAS came about over a decade ago. Young kids were getting diagnosed with Tourette’s Syndrome until a pattern emerged that their symptoms started after strep throat. Researchers found that the strep caused the motor section of the brain to develop inflammation, for some it’s permanent.
That still doesn't explain why some of these things run in families. It also doesn't explain some apparent physical traits (a lot of autistic children have large heads from an early age), or hyperflexibiilty/ joint issues... which can manifest very early age. I know of a friend's daughter who had this around the time she was born.

I think the most important point you make though is the sheer variety of autistic people. Some are barely the same at all. I think we're dealing with a collection of conditions rather than a spectrum and some are more positive than others. The reaction thing also doesn't explain the high intelligemce levels of some of these people. With brain damage you would expect more impairment than enhancement.

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I should clarify that the DSM4 (diagnostic manual) puts people over 18 in a catch all diagnosis of Pervasive Developmental Disorder. It’s not technically “Autism hi” but more of a “looks like autism.” I haven’t been trained on the newer DSM5 so that could have changed.

As for the genetic aspect, many studies have been done with no smoking gun gene even though it clusters in families. The discrepancy with IQ is where I think Autism is fascinating. I had a doctor tell me once it’s as if an overdeveloped brain will inevitably balance out somewhere else. There is a rare but interesting disorder called Acquired Savant Syndrome that demonstrates that not all brain damage results in disability. Some people wake up from head traumas with new skills they didn’t have before. This guy’s story is fascinating. It shows how mysterious and amazing our brains are.

https://www.brainandlife.org/articles/u ... t-syndrome

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I have ASD. I must say...some of these comments are difficult to read.

Autism has been the greatest curse (my wife would say blessing) in my life.

There are no adequate words to articulate to someone not on the spectrum what it is like to be me.

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Maroriginal1 wrote: September 30th, 2022, 8:11 am I should clarify that the DSM4 (diagnostic manual) puts people over 18 in a catch all diagnosis of Pervasive Developmental Disorder. It’s not technically “Autism hi” but more of a “looks like autism.” I haven’t been trained on the newer DSM5 so that could have changed.

As for the genetic aspect, many studies have been done with no smoking gun gene even though it clusters in families. The discrepancy with IQ is where I think Autism is fascinating. I had a doctor tell me once it’s as if an overdeveloped brain will inevitably balance out somewhere else. There is a rare but interesting disorder called Acquired Savant Syndrome that demonstrates that not all brain damage results in disability. Some people wake up from head traumas with new skills they didn’t have before. This guy’s story is fascinating. It shows how mysterious and amazing our brains are.

https://www.brainandlife.org/articles/u ... t-syndrome
Many autistic people have enhanced abiltiies in some areas, but that seems a bit like saying because someone's blood vessel was damaged that it improved blood flow.

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Fair point that enhanced abilities don’t seem an improvement in context. But I think we are blessed with compensatory gifts when there is a limitation placed on our body that is outside our control. I’ve been blessed to know many wonderful people with Autism with exceptional gifts and talents that they have because of the Autism. They have enriched my life tremendously! For example my brothers autism drew him towards beautiful music where he would feel the speakers for the vibration of the notes. He taught me to appreciate music in a much deeper way than I’d ever appreciate on my own.

My apologies AkalAish for it being a tough read. Not my intent. I think we are all just trying to wrap our heads around such a complex, difficult to understand topic that impacts a lot of people.

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