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Wait a second. I thought the anti-Christ was King Charles III. Or was it Hillary Clinton, or the Pope? Dams this is getting confusing.

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maybe all are anti-Christ's

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Being There wrote: September 16th, 2022, 12:03 am maybe all are anti-Christ's
We use the term the antichrist. As in the singular.

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gkearney wrote: September 15th, 2022, 11:51 pm Wait a second. I thought the anti-Christ was King Charles III. Or was it Hillary Clinton, or the Pope? Dams this is getting confusing.
There are a lot of supects. Some of these people probably applied.

The front runners IMHO are Sebastian Kurz and tech giants such as Elon Musk.

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Think of the AC as more of a calling than a individual. There have probably been several to serve in that capacity and probably several more to come. I imagine they will become increasingly vile and evil as time goes on.

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gkearney wrote: September 16th, 2022, 1:18 am
Being There wrote: September 16th, 2022, 12:03 am maybe all are anti-Christ's
We use the term the antichrist. As in the singular.
I think we know that. ***

When I said - "maybe all are anti-Christ's "
I worded that simply to say that they all could be evil and serve satan.

but as far as using it plural "anti-Christs ",
some leaders in the church have used it -
this is a quote from a church leader - talking about the OMS.
"There are various versions of the quote, which I include here, none of which mention the exact section of the D&C which is as Van says. Van seizes upon this particular version in order to satisfy his hunger for destroying the faith of the righteous as all anti-Christs do (he is an anti-Christ—Darwinist, saith the Lord)"

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as I've said many times in the past - in many posts -
to quote myself -

"I thought I made that clear - satan -
who works through the Anti-christ *****
satan - who works through evil men - presidents and leaders of churches and governments -
and their secret combinations.



as I've said before -

"Just as there is only one Jesus Christ and one satan, (btw I refuse to cap the s for satan)
neither one performs their work themselves here on Earth.
Each one has their servant that they work through; *
(among many other thousands that serve them; they also work through them)

* The principal servant of Jesus Christ, and who is mentioned in Isaiah, is the Davidic servant.

*****
"satan works through the Antichrist, for satan himself is not able to become incarnate.
By possessing and controlling the Antichrist,
satan is worshiped in the temple where the biblical God is to be worshiped."

So - while there are many that you could say have in the past been Antichrist's,
and just as there has been, and will be many false Christ's and Antichrist's in the future,
there is really only one Antichrist -

"that man of sin - son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

please read all

2 Thessalonians

CHAPTER 2 (JST)

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled by letter, except ye receive it from us,
neither by spirit, nor by word, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for there shall come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: and he it is who now worketh; and Christ suffereth him to work until the time is fulfilled that he shall be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked one be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Yea, the Lord, even Jesus, whose coming is not until after there cometh a falling away, by the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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blitzinstripes wrote: September 16th, 2022, 8:22 am Think of the AC as more of a calling than a individual. There have probably been several to serve in that capacity and probably several more to come. I imagine they will become increasingly vile and evil as time goes on.
I think it is clear that there will be a biggie, who will introduce the mark and have to be deposed by Christ himself. Who – or what – that will be is another question, but he will make Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler look like amateurs.

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3 dreams
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"I heard about a boys' testimony who was in a comma.
He never went to Jewish school. Yet, when he woke up from the comma he had knowledge of one who did go to the Jewish school learning the Torah. They asked him who is Gog? He replies ob&ma."
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Blessings. The word obama has the Hebrew grammatical root of the word beast, in deed many people in Israel used to call this man simply "beema" (beast in Hebrew).
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I had a very strong vivid dream like a vision… All of a sudden I’m in this big park with Christians, surrounded by light blue uniform soldiers with machine guns and helicopters flying above us so we couldn’t escape. Anyways thay had these little cabins for us like jail cells, and has I was talking to other Christians, this man runs out of his cabin cell singout, they’ve taken our Bibles and destroyed them 😢 So I ran straight to my cabin cell looking for my Bible but it was gone 😢 So I fell down on my knees praying 🙏🏽✝️ And I said to GOD, they’ve taken our Bibles, how am I gana know your WORD now. Then I got up and walked out of my cabin cell, then all of a sudden I seen Barack Obama walking towards me in a black suit with this evil demonic smile on his face, and he with 3 body guard with him. And he came upto me and shook my hand and told me to hand these round stickers out to all the Christians in the camp… And the stickers had his face in the middle of the sun, and it was glowing. And so I walked out to we’re all the Christians were gathered together and I started handing them out. And soon has they took the sticker off me, they stuck it straight on there foreheads 😢 And this bloke runs over, and said you just handed the mark of the beast out, and I started ripping it off there foreheads
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baraq" means 'lightning' in Hebrew/Aramaic. "Bamah" means 'heaven.' Specifically, a place in heaven called, "Higher-Ground of iniquity." When satan claims to be higher than the most-high, it stems in part from hailing from "Bamah." When Michael eventually boots satan out of heaven, it'll be from "Bamah." When Jesus sees Michael throw satan out of Bamah (as prophecied in Luke10:18), it appears as lightning. Jesus said, "I saw satan fall like baraq o bamah." Baraq started a Netflix-affiliate company called, (wait for it...) Higher-Ground Productions. "Symbolism will be their downfall."
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Before Obama was elected for his first term, I had a dream. I went up on the roof of my apt building. The sky was dark and stormy. Tornadoes broke out all over the place. It was a short dream, but was telling. Where I lived, tornadoes are a very rare occurrence. The dream kinda reminded me of the scene in The Day after Tomorrow. Some say that Obama is already serving his third term through Biden. Some say, he may be the one who’s talking to Biden in his ear piece. Hell, even Obama himself hinted at this possibility before his second term ended.

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Rumpelstiltskin wrote: February 2nd, 2021, 2:47 pm Something to think about. The Antichrist is a son of perdition. This means he would have to have been a member of the Church and have gone through the temple. No one else can become a son of perdition unless they have been through the temple.
The Antichrist has to enter the temple at Jerusalem at some stage. I don't see anything which says he has to be LDS or been through an LDS temple.

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WHOOPSIE! KJP Slips Reveals Who’s REALLY President At White House Press Briefing


I posted this back in July of 2020


SHADOWLAND Emperor Barack Hussein Obama Actively Running For A Third Term With A Biden Puppet
https://www.skywatchtv.com/2020/07/28/s ... en-puppet/

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Obama is the First Eagle Head (Ezra's Eagle vision). Obama is also the person identified as the King of the North (by Daniel), who will take over the nation and wage war in the middle east until there are few men left. He will not war against NWO nations. They will be busy opressing their own people. He will sieze vast wealth, then "shall stand in the glorious land (the US), which by his hand shall be consumed." Daniel 11:16 https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-11-16/ So his job is to waste US Strength in a botched war against Islam. Later the 3rd eagle head and the seven horns will facilitate transfer of power to the AntiChrist.

The identity of the antichrist will be hidden (an unknown person) until he is publicly revealed by the 7 horns at the moment he takes over.

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And so you know what holds him back, so that he will be revealed in his own time. 7 For the hidden power of lawlessness is already at work. However, the one who holds him back will do so until he is taken out of the way. (netbible, for clarity)

I think I make a pretty good case for this spread out over several different posts in the thread "Ezra's Eagle 2023, Whats Next"
viewtopic.php?t=70611

I will soon add a post about who are the 7 horns (what types of persons) and how the transfer of power to the antichrist will occur.

Meanwhile, if you are familair with Ezra's Eagle, I would like to comment on one point that is rarely noted. The 5th & 6th feathers (final ones) seem to be the AntiChrist and False Prophet. They will take over the government after the Whole Body (deep state) is judged and burned (alive) during the reign of the 3rd Eagle Head. Ezra sees #5&6 as floating OVER the head of the 3rd Head. But God comments that #5&6 are UNDER the 3rd Eagle Head. So I think The Antichrist and the 3rd Eagle Head will have a very chummy but secret relationship. The AntiChrist is NOT destroyed when the Eagle Body (deep state) is burned, so he must be keeping his hands clean, advising on all of the evil doing without actually doing any himself. Else he would be burned with the rest of them. Plus after all of the mayhem, he must appear on the scene with NO History of Negative Publicity, a clean slate.


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gkearney wrote: September 15th, 2022, 11:51 pm
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Lexew1899 wrote: April 6th, 2022, 7:09 am
Niemand wrote: April 6th, 2022, 6:55 am
Pazooka wrote: April 3rd, 2022, 8:41 am
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Hussein was part of the timeline where war was avoided in Ukraine. This delayed or dissolved the WW3 armageddon timeline.

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bloodline, bloodline!! It has an impeccable noble bloodline. Excellent.

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"JOHN K MARSH @JohnKohlerMarsh 午前4:17 · 2020年10月24日
Barack Obama’s mother’s parents were Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. "
"Indie Media Eastcoast thanks Elon Musk 2022年3月1日
I think Charlie Ward, Jack Kidd, Dave Mahoney talked about this with Greg Hallett."
https://twitter.com/JohnKohlerMarsh/sta ... 3402341376

""A look at power centers negotiating world government
By Benjamin Fulford August 5, 2019
..

We refer to this group as the Khazarian mafia. The Khazarians still control most mega-corporations, including the big oil companies, Internet giants like Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple, and famously, the fake news corporate media. Their biggest source of power, of course, is their ownership of the central banks, which was what they used to seize control of the corporations.

This group has used murder, bribery, and lies to infiltrate the top level of world power, especially in the West. They have also strategically married their daughters to powerful people. The daughters would then indoctrinate the next generation of power brokers. For example, we are now finding out from the Russians, NSA, and other sources that German Chancellor Angela Merkel, former UK Prime Minister Theresa May, and other leaders are daughters of Adolph Hitler. We now find out former U.S. President Barack Obama’s mother was also a Hitler daughter. It turns out the movie “The Boys from Brazil” was based on true fact, except that it was girls, not boys.

We have also found out the Clintons are actually members of the Rockefeller family. In an update to what we reported previously, we have learned that Bill Clinton’s mother was a Rockefeller (rather than his father), while Hillary Clinton is the daughter of David Rockefeller. Then, of course, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg is a grandson of David Rockefeller.

The Khazarians change their last names and life stories in order to hide their intergenerational trail of control. For example, we have traced the Bush family name to Scherff, Pierce, and finally to the Italian black nobility Pecce family.

Another thing to note about the Khazarian mafia’s power structure is that they actually have a person playing the role of God in their monotheistic system. So the masses are made to believe in an abstract God when in reality there is a human god playing that role. Of course, their god is known to them as Lucifer, Ba’al, Satan, Molech, etc. ..
"
https://benjaminfulford.net/2019/08/05/ ... overnment/

""How to Take Over the World: A Right Royal Con"
synopsis

Never before have the cons of history been so clearly exposed. Germany took over Britain in a 25 year TEWT a Tactical Exercise Without Troops between 1689 and 1714. Thereafter time was altered so that no one would know whether a British Royal was killed causing a policy change or as the result of a policy change.
King George III was kept in a permanent state of madness for 55 years so that the German Freemasons, who had taken over the British Crown, could create the United States in their image. This resulted in U.S. citizens permanently funding the U.K. and the British monarchy through their taxes to this day.
The Jewish Laws of Babylon have now become the Uniform Commerical Code and current law. The Jews control the Freemasons and the Freemasons control the Police. All three specialise in misery.
Most of the British Royal family are illegitimate, including Queen Victoria, Prince consort Albert, King Edward VII and his son Winston Churchill. Winston Churchill was first cousin with Adolf Hitler s father and uncle to Anthony Blunt, King Edward VIII and King George VI. Adolf Hitler s grandfather ran the Rothschild Bank, the Bank of England, and was the first Jewish MP in British Parliament.
Prince Albert was also the son of a stable boy. Close to bankruptcy, the British Royal family were saved by another stable boy, John Brown, who went on to marry Queen Victoria after Albert died .
The British Royal family are a subset of the Rothschild family and the Rothschilds control all the wars and finances of the British monarchy. The British Royal family declare war as soon as the Rothschilds have completed their preparations. This makes for huge profits.
Many royals died of syphilis and many others died from the treatment of syphilis. When a British royal didn t like his wife, he simply ordered her murder on their coronation night. This was repeated again 166 years later with the murder of Princess Diana as covered up by Lord Stevens.
All Intelligence is now Counter-Intelligence. The media is a Counter-Intelligence organisation. The media backs every war. The role of the media and embedded historians is to surround the truth with a bodyguard of lies.
"
https://www.abebooks.com/9780473119249/ ... 119242/plp

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lds high priest friends/supporters of obama ...
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sushi_chef wrote: April 21st, 2023, 6:00 pm bloodline, bloodline!! It has an impeccable noble bloodline. Excellent.

Image
"JOHN K MARSH @JohnKohlerMarsh 午前4:17 · 2020年10月24日
Barack Obama’s mother’s parents were Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. "
"Indie Media Eastcoast thanks Elon Musk 2022年3月1日
I think Charlie Ward, Jack Kidd, Dave Mahoney talked about this with Greg Hallett."
https://twitter.com/JohnKohlerMarsh/sta ... 3402341376

""A look at power centers negotiating world government
By Benjamin Fulford August 5, 2019
..

We refer to this group as the Khazarian mafia. The Khazarians still control most mega-corporations, including the big oil companies, Internet giants like Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple, and famously, the fake news corporate media. Their biggest source of power, of course, is their ownership of the central banks, which was what they used to seize control of the corporations.

This group has used murder, bribery, and lies to infiltrate the top level of world power, especially in the West. They have also strategically married their daughters to powerful people. The daughters would then indoctrinate the next generation of power brokers. For example, we are now finding out from the Russians, NSA, and other sources that German Chancellor Angela Merkel, former UK Prime Minister Theresa May, and other leaders are daughters of Adolph Hitler. We now find out former U.S. President Barack Obama’s mother was also a Hitler daughter. It turns out the movie “The Boys from Brazil” was based on true fact, except that it was girls, not boys.

We have also found out the Clintons are actually members of the Rockefeller family. In an update to what we reported previously, we have learned that Bill Clinton’s mother was a Rockefeller (rather than his father), while Hillary Clinton is the daughter of David Rockefeller. Then, of course, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg is a grandson of David Rockefeller.

The Khazarians change their last names and life stories in order to hide their intergenerational trail of control. For example, we have traced the Bush family name to Scherff, Pierce, and finally to the Italian black nobility Pecce family.

Another thing to note about the Khazarian mafia’s power structure is that they actually have a person playing the role of God in their monotheistic system. So the masses are made to believe in an abstract God when in reality there is a human god playing that role. Of course, their god is known to them as Lucifer, Ba’al, Satan, Molech, etc. ..
"
https://benjaminfulford.net/2019/08/05/ ... overnment/

""How to Take Over the World: A Right Royal Con"
synopsis

Never before have the cons of history been so clearly exposed. Germany took over Britain in a 25 year TEWT a Tactical Exercise Without Troops between 1689 and 1714. Thereafter time was altered so that no one would know whether a British Royal was killed causing a policy change or as the result of a policy change.
King George III was kept in a permanent state of madness for 55 years so that the German Freemasons, who had taken over the British Crown, could create the United States in their image. This resulted in U.S. citizens permanently funding the U.K. and the British monarchy through their taxes to this day.
The Jewish Laws of Babylon have now become the Uniform Commerical Code and current law. The Jews control the Freemasons and the Freemasons control the Police. All three specialise in misery.
Most of the British Royal family are illegitimate, including Queen Victoria, Prince consort Albert, King Edward VII and his son Winston Churchill. Winston Churchill was first cousin with Adolf Hitler s father and uncle to Anthony Blunt, King Edward VIII and King George VI. Adolf Hitler s grandfather ran the Rothschild Bank, the Bank of England, and was the first Jewish MP in British Parliament.
Prince Albert was also the son of a stable boy. Close to bankruptcy, the British Royal family were saved by another stable boy, John Brown, who went on to marry Queen Victoria after Albert died .
The British Royal family are a subset of the Rothschild family and the Rothschilds control all the wars and finances of the British monarchy. The British Royal family declare war as soon as the Rothschilds have completed their preparations. This makes for huge profits.
Many royals died of syphilis and many others died from the treatment of syphilis. When a British royal didn t like his wife, he simply ordered her murder on their coronation night. This was repeated again 166 years later with the murder of Princess Diana as covered up by Lord Stevens.
All Intelligence is now Counter-Intelligence. The media is a Counter-Intelligence organisation. The media backs every war. The role of the media and embedded historians is to surround the truth with a bodyguard of lies.
"
https://www.abebooks.com/9780473119249/ ... 119242/plp

Image
lds high priest friends/supporters of obama ...
:arrow:
WTH
I knew things were wrong/ bad /evil but I was just seeing tip of the iceberg - man oh man

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Considering Barack Obama's mother came from an upper class family, didn't anyone notice his granny spoke with a German accent?

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In the post linked below, I broke down Daniel 11 to indicate how Obama's upcoming coup over the US, false flag wars and destruction from within, etc - precedes the AntiChrist, who is a different character.

viewtopic.php?p=1380670#p1380670

How about Buttigieg. Isn't the AntiChrist is supposed to be a wormy loudmouth? Plus Daniel 11:37 says about the AntiChrist "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all." Perhaps Obama or Buttigieg will do then.



Mamabear wrote: April 2nd, 2022, 5:00 pm
Being There wrote: April 2nd, 2022, 4:34 pm
gkearney wrote: September 15th, 2022, 11:51 pm
blitzinstripes wrote: September 16th, 2022, 8:22 am
Lexew1899 wrote: April 6th, 2022, 7:09 am
Niemand wrote: April 6th, 2022, 6:55 am
Pazooka wrote: April 3rd, 2022, 8:41 am
SPIRIT wrote: March 16th, 2021, 10:01 am
abijah` wrote: February 2nd, 2021, 9:49 pm
Luke wrote: February 2nd, 2021, 5:22 pm
mahalanobis wrote: November 27th, 2020, 2:57 pm
Lexew1899 wrote: November 27th, 2020, 2:42 pm
tribrac wrote: November 27th, 2020, 4:06 pm
samizdat wrote: November 27th, 2020, 7:16 pm

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bertmc wrote: April 26th, 2023, 3:13 am How about Buttigieg. Isn't the AntiChrist is supposed to be a wormy loudmouth? Plus Daniel 11:37 says about the AntiChrist "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all." Perhaps Obama or Buttigieg will do then.

The desire of women comment could be taken three ways:
* A homosexual.
* An asexual (or even a machine etc)
* A socio/psychopath, who is capable of performing sexually with women but utterly passionless and with no human feeling.

As I have said elsewhere I think Antichrist is a continental European, likely an Eastern European, or possibly a Middle Easterner/Levantine. The reason I say this is that there is a lot of resentment against the USA in the world, because

Both Obama and Buttigieg have murky, strange origins (like Bill Gates and Elon Musk), so they fit that aspect. Obama is the only US president in the 21st century who has been a decent speaker. As for Buttigieg that is some surname! (Maltese supposedly)

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Niemand wrote: April 26th, 2023, 6:27 am As I have said elsewhere I think Antichrist is a continental European, likely an Eastern European, or possibly a Middle Easterner/Levantine.
Yes, while I have an Ezra's Eagle obsession, which leads me to imagine all characters as US-types, the AntiChrist is different. Even in Ezra's Eagle, feathers #5&6 (antichrist and false prophet) do not seem to flow into the scene through the "normal" political pathway. The AntiChrist has a special puppet-string connection with Hillary (3rd head).

You opened my eyes on this post (viewtopic.php?p=1376273#p1376273) identifying Yuval Noah Harari. He already has the "three-name mass-murder" thing going on. gay, demonic, wormy - i wanna keep my distance... He really is the perfect formula.

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bertmc wrote: April 26th, 2023, 1:49 pm
Niemand wrote: April 26th, 2023, 6:27 am As I have said elsewhere I think Antichrist is a continental European, likely an Eastern European, or possibly a Middle Easterner/Levantine.
Yes, while I have an Ezra's Eagle obsession, which leads me to imagine all characters as US-types, the AntiChrist is different. Even in Ezra's Eagle, feathers #5&6 (antichrist and false prophet) do not seem to flow into the scene through the "normal" political pathway. The AntiChrist has a special puppet-string connection with Hillary (3rd head).

You opened my eyes on this post (viewtopic.php?p=1376273#p1376273) identifying Yuval Noah Harari. He already has the "three-name mass-murder" thing going on. gay, demonic, wormy - i wanna keep my distance... He really is the perfect formula.
Harari is truly evil. The main point against him is that he has zero charisma. Even Bill Gates bests him in that department. But he does fit several criteria, such as his hatred of the human race in general, fanaticism bitterness and his high position. (I think I've mentioned he has an awful book called Sapiens which is for sale in major chains (even bus station bookshops!) but I've never met anyone eho has bought or read it. It's supposed to be an overview of mankind, but is way off beam in so many regards.)

I've also mentioned Sebastian Kurz, the Austrian politician. He became leader of Austria at a very young age (30s), and despite his Conservative/anti-immigration rhetoric is a luvvy of the WEF etc. Kurz is not unlikely to end up running the European Union, maybe even NATO, at some point. These two are youngish men, and I suspect the future AC is younger. Age excludes certain previous frontrunners such as Henry Kissinger.

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