Was John Taylor the last true prophet?

[Qlitewski]

Was John Taylor the last true prophet?

[blitzinstripes]

You're being generous. I'll take Joseph Smith Jr. Final answer.

[blitzinstripes]

There have been a few that I mostly agreed with and liked a lot of what they said. ETB, especially. But I do not believe that any of them after JS, especially the ones from the polygamist period, carried the "mantle" of prophetic authority. There are many "good" preachers out there from many denominations.

Very few, if any, prophets.

Still waiting to see a true prophet return and see spiritual fruit manifest again.

"The waiting is the hardest part."- Tom Petty

[Luke]

We should all be prophets.

John Taylor definitely exercised the gift of prophecy. Therefore he was a prophet.

He was one of our last true leaders, imo.

Here is an brief description from Lorin C. Woolley of how he fulfilled the prophetic role:

“To show the prophetic gift of John Taylor—at one time when Sam Gilson had arranged a death duel between himself and Sam Bateman, one of President Taylor’s guards, to take place on Redwood Road, between Centerville and Salt Lake, President Taylor, knowing Bateman’s temperament, and determination and absolute fearlessness, didn't try to dissuade him from the act, but instructed Lorin C. Woolley to go to a certain place in the road where the meeting place had been arranged for, and in a clump of willows, he would find three or four men with double barrel shotguns, lying in ambush to kill Bateman before he could draw on Gilson. He told Woolley to go and route the skunks out of there and send them down the road south. He did so, finding three men lying in wait, and drove them off. They left their guns and went down the road and Sam Gilson didn't show up. A bloody tragedy was averted.
At times, even during a meal, President Taylor would stop eating, and designate one of the Brethren on an important mission to save a life, or help someone out of some difficulty or accomplish something necessary, saying, ‘You must leave now and not wait to finish your meal.’ He appeared to have all the gifts of a Prophet and Seer and was always on the job.” (Book of Remembrance, pg. 41-42, 19 October 1932)

[BeNotDeceived]

You're being generous. I'll take Joseph Smith Jr. Final answer.

Can you say Pious Fraud?

[FrankOne]

There have been a few that I mostly agreed with and liked a lot of what they said. ETB, especially. But I do not believe that any of them after JS, especially the ones from the polygamist period, carried the "mantle" of prophetic authority. There are many "good" preachers out there from many denominations.

Very few, if any, prophets.

Still waiting to see a true prophet return and see spiritual fruit manifest again.

"The waiting is the hardest part."- Tom Petty

i see Benson as the last great leader of the Church. I had the utmost respect for him . Although i loved him, he was not a Prophet. What does a Prophet do? He declares Prophecy clearly as revelation from God.

Each president of the church entered their position due to the death of the last eldest in office. God had nothing to do with them reaching the natural consequence of attaining the office of President. Some of these men were gifted prophets, most were not. There isn't a single one that was a Prophet that wasn't born with the gift. They were given to it through their heritage. Typically their fathers also were given to this gift.

Also, just because a man has the gift of Prophecy, doesn't mean that he will use it effectively. Wilford Woodruff had it, yet he turned against his own revelation ten years later with the manifesto. The pressure on him was overwhelming ...so he buckled. I can't say that I blame him, I likely would have done the same. When God doesn't provide a solution to a problem, we use what we know and seek the best practical course.

reference for his revelation: 25th of January, 1880
[President Wilford Woodruff Journal]

John Taylor was resolute. How many others?

We all struggle with understanding inspiration. It isn't some clear cut "right/wrong" subject. It appears that God lets us wander in indecision for a purpose which we do not understand. The Presidents of the church are in no different situation than you and I except they stand in an office that members look to for guidance. Tough place to be.

Today? Adultery and Corruption.

Adultery , from Latin:

-One who approaches another from unlawful or criminal love
-That has assumed the nature of something foreign. Not genuine. False.Counterfeit. Impure.

(ref . Lewis and Short Latin Lexicon 1879)

the elicit marriage to Babylon

[marc]

I believe Joseph Smith Jr. was the last "JST Genesis 14" prophet.

[JLHPROF]

Depends entirely on your chosen definition of prophet.

[InfoWarrior82]

Depends entirely on your chosen definition of prophet.

Shouldn't the scriptures be the standard of fruits?

[FrankOne]

Depends entirely on your chosen definition of prophet.

profit?

was that a trick question?

[JLHPROF]

Depends entirely on your chosen definition of prophet.

Shouldn't the scriptures be the standard of fruits?

Sure.
Which scriptural definition or traits are we looking for?

Depends entirely on your chosen definition of prophet.

profit?

was that a trick question?

Doesn't address the OP.

[InfoWarrior82]

Depends entirely on your chosen definition of prophet.

Shouldn't the scriptures be the standard of fruits?

Sure.
Which scriptural definition or traits are we looking for?

Here is someone who compiled a list of about 10-11 fruits of prophets out of known canon of scripture.


https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/hugh-b-b ... a-prophet/

[BuriedTartaria]

Joseph Smith, imo. With his successor taken out before him (Hyrum). Make of that what you will but there must be something poetic to that (imo)

[Chris]

Was John Taylor the last true prophet?

Dont fall for all the crap on this site. There are currently 15 prophets. I have personally seen prophetic events from several of these men.

President nelson after 9/23/17 ( the revelations chapter 12 sign given started making changes home based church supported etc. And many others.

The fact that many on this site claim joseph as a prophet and then ignore all his prophecies on the destinys of this church baffles the mind.

It is like cs lewis once said of christ. He was either the son of god or a mad man. You cant call him a well meaning man or a prophet. He is either the christ or a lunatic.

Same with the church it is either the lords church or it isnt. There is no midde ground. Yes the ocassional person or leader may fall away. But not all as these, as people claim.

There has to be a place for priesthood, baptism, temples etc...... or else the scriptures lie and they do not.

Church is true, there is a prophet in the land today.

[BeNotDeceived]

He is either the christ or a lunatic.

Ya can’t appreciate flying colors, if you only see black and white.

[Original_Intent]

True prophets are numerous, false prophets outnumber true ones 1000 to 1 I'd bet.

A prophet is only a prophet when he is speaking as a prophet.

It is true that God's house is a house of order, and not all are called to be prophets for the world or for large numbers of people. A father should be leading his family as a prophet, and a mother as a prophetess. As often as they can get the spirit of prophecy.

Every person on earth has an apocalypse coming, even the smartest and most spiritual people in the world will have a jaw-dropping revelation that is ineffable.

[BeNotDeceived]

From Wikipedia: Ineffability is the quality of something that surpasses the capacity of language to express it …

Flying colors in some contexts are ineffable, but worthy of exploration. dbnp

[Original_Intent]

From Wikipedia: Ineffability is the quality of something that surpasses the capacity of language to express it …

Flying colors in some contexts are ineffable, but worthy of exploration. dbnp

Correct - it MUST be experienced and can be transmitted in no other way.

[Robin Hood]

Was John Taylor the last true prophet?

Dont fall for all the crap on this site. There are currently 15 prophets. I have personally seen prophetic events from several of these men.

President nelson after 9/23/17 ( the revelations chapter 12 sign given started making changes home based church supported etc. And many others.

The fact that many on this site claim joseph as a prophet and then ignore all his prophecies on the destinys of this church baffles the mind.

It is like cs lewis once said of christ. He was either the son of god or a mad man. You cant call him a well meaning man or a prophet. He is either the christ or a lunatic.

Same with the church it is either the lords church or it isnt. There is no midde ground. Yes the ocassional person or leader may fall away. But not all as these, as people claim.

There has to be a place for priesthood, baptism, temples etc...... or else the scriptures lie and they do not.

Church is true, there is a prophet in the land today.

You have a lot to learn.
The church, and indeed life in general, is a lot more nuanced than you appear to appreciate.

[Luke]

Was John Taylor the last true prophet?

Dont fall for all the crap on this site. There are currently 15 prophets. I have personally seen prophetic events from several of these men.

President nelson after 9/23/17 ( the revelations chapter 12 sign given started making changes home based church supported etc. And many others.

The fact that many on this site claim joseph as a prophet and then ignore all his prophecies on the destinys of this church baffles the mind.

It is like cs lewis once said of christ. He was either the son of god or a mad man. You cant call him a well meaning man or a prophet. He is either the christ or a lunatic.

Same with the church it is either the lords church or it isnt. There is no midde ground. Yes the ocassional person or leader may fall away. But not all as these, as people claim.

There has to be a place for priesthood, baptism, temples etc...... or else the scriptures lie and they do not.

Church is true, there is a prophet in the land today.

Why do the Church then deny essential laws and ordinances, and change others?

[Luke]

Joseph Smith, imo. With his successor taken out before him (Hyrum). Make of that what you will but there must be something poetic to that (imo)

I believe that.

[Jason]

Was John Taylor the last true prophet?

Nah...that was Moses...it was all downhill after Moses. Still 10 simple commandments that 99% of the population of the world can't keep...

...and no one has brought forth any more stone tablets....or an ark...and Joshua's parlor trick in the river Jordan...well just not on par with parting the Red Sea...

[Luke]

Was John Taylor the last true prophet?

Nah...that was Moses...it was all downhill after Moses. Still 10 simple commandments that 99% of the population of the world can't keep...

...and no one has brought forth any more stone tablets....or an ark...and Joshua's parlor trick in the river Jordan...well just not on par with parting the Red Sea...

The problem is that today’s imposters bring forth no fruit whatsoever.

No miracles, no revelations, nothing.

This is undeniable.

[Jason]

Was John Taylor the last true prophet?

Nah...that was Moses...it was all downhill after Moses. Still 10 simple commandments that 99% of the population of the world can't keep...

...and no one has brought forth any more stone tablets....or an ark...and Joshua's parlor trick in the river Jordan...well just not on par with parting the Red Sea...

The problem is that today’s imposters bring forth no fruit whatsoever.

No miracles, no revelations, nothing.

This is undeniable.

Hard to see when you are blind...

[Luke]

Was John Taylor the last true prophet?

Nah...that was Moses...it was all downhill after Moses. Still 10 simple commandments that 99% of the population of the world can't keep...

...and no one has brought forth any more stone tablets....or an ark...and Joshua's parlor trick in the river Jordan...well just not on par with parting the Red Sea...

The problem is that today’s imposters bring forth no fruit whatsoever.

No miracles, no revelations, nothing.

This is undeniable.

Hard to see when you are blind...

Speak for yourself, brother.