The pride of the church grows with every passing day.

[Reluctant Watchman]

It's okay, I respect your view. I too think the vaccines can be just as damaging as the virus, and perhaps worse in some people's cases. It's hard to know because everyone's bodies reacts differently to vaccines or viruses.

I think you need to understand. They created the virus. They created the vaccine. Both were intended to kill. And yes, people did get their hands on some of the vaccines and the found saline solutions. Even news outlets reported on this.

I don't believe the same people who created the virus created the vaccine. My husband is in this industry, in fact, if I told ya all what his new job was and who it was with, you'd be flipping out. At worst, these vaccines were experimental, not proven to be safe long-term and have the risk of doing major damage just like all vaccines. But I don't believe people at Pfizer and Moderna were intentionally trying to make them deadly. There probably were some deals made as it's all about money usually. But like I've said before, the purpose I believe of this virus was to bring down the economy, create false narratives on both sides of the debate, so that when the next deadly virus comes, no one will trust what their government tells them.

Keeping people in the dark is the MO of evil people. Go study how the atomic bomb was created. Multiple agencies working on their own little part, but none of them really knew what they were creating.

Even in the trials, people were dying. And these shots were in the works for a very long time, way before we were told "covid" was here.

[Sarah]

It's okay, I respect your view. I too think the vaccines can be just as damaging as the virus, and perhaps worse in some people's cases. It's hard to know because everyone's bodies reacts differently to vaccines or viruses.

I think you need to understand. They created the virus. They created the vaccine. Both were intended to kill. And yes, people did get their hands on some of the vaccines and the found saline solutions. Even news outlets reported on this.

I don't believe the same people who created the virus created the vaccine. My husband is in this industry, in fact, if I told ya all what his new job was and who it was with, you'd be flipping out. At worst, these vaccines were experimental, not proven to be safe long-term and have the risk of doing major damage just like all vaccines. But I don't believe people at Pfizer and Moderna were intentionally trying to make them deadly. There probably were some deals made as it's all about money usually. But like I've said before, the purpose I believe of this virus was to bring down the economy, create false narratives on both sides of the debate, so that when the next deadly virus comes, no one will trust what their government tells them.

then your husband has taken the vaxes, right?

He actually enrolled in the clinical trial to test the Astrazeneca vaccine. That was early on. Then he got the delta variant with me and was pretty sick, just got better a lot faster than I did. Then he had to get the booster in order to go to some conference and he was pretty upset about that. He thought the organizers were acting ridiculous about it at that point.

[Sarah]

It's okay, I respect your view. I too think the vaccines can be just as damaging as the virus, and perhaps worse in some people's cases. It's hard to know because everyone's bodies reacts differently to vaccines or viruses.

I think you need to understand. They created the virus. They created the vaccine. Both were intended to kill. And yes, people did get their hands on some of the vaccines and the found saline solutions. Even news outlets reported on this.

I don't believe the same people who created the virus created the vaccine. My husband is in this industry, in fact, if I told ya all what his new job was and who it was with, you'd be flipping out. At worst, these vaccines were experimental, not proven to be safe long-term and have the risk of doing major damage just like all vaccines. But I don't believe people at Pfizer and Moderna were intentionally trying to make them deadly. There probably were some deals made as it's all about money usually. But like I've said before, the purpose I believe of this virus was to bring down the economy, create false narratives on both sides of the debate, so that when the next deadly virus comes, no one will trust what their government tells them.

Keeping people in the dark is the MO of evil people. Go study how the atomic bomb was created. Multiple agencies working on their own little part, but none of them really knew what they were creating.

Even in the trials, people were dying. And these shots were in the works for a very long time, way before we were told "covid" was here.

Well I don't know about that. They've been working on the new technology for years and years, and are going to use that in future vaccines for different things. There are always people who die in clinical trials. If the deaths are low enough, you pass.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I think you need to understand. They created the virus. They created the vaccine. Both were intended to kill. And yes, people did get their hands on some of the vaccines and the found saline solutions. Even news outlets reported on this.

I don't believe the same people who created the virus created the vaccine. My husband is in this industry, in fact, if I told ya all what his new job was and who it was with, you'd be flipping out. At worst, these vaccines were experimental, not proven to be safe long-term and have the risk of doing major damage just like all vaccines. But I don't believe people at Pfizer and Moderna were intentionally trying to make them deadly. There probably were some deals made as it's all about money usually. But like I've said before, the purpose I believe of this virus was to bring down the economy, create false narratives on both sides of the debate, so that when the next deadly virus comes, no one will trust what their government tells them.

Keeping people in the dark is the MO of evil people. Go study how the atomic bomb was created. Multiple agencies working on their own little part, but none of them really knew what they were creating.

Even in the trials, people were dying. And these shots were in the works for a very long time, way before we were told "covid" was here.

Well I don't know about that. They've been working on the new technology for years and years, and are going to use that in future vaccines for different things. There are always people who die in clinical trials. If the deaths are low enough, you pass.

They skewed the data. The fear porn is off the charts with this one. Just the VAERS data for this shot alone surpasses all deaths for the past 30 years combined. They KNOW it is killing people.

[Lizzy60]

I don't believe the same people who created the virus created the vaccine. My husband is in this industry, in fact, if I told ya all what his new job was and who it was with, you'd be flipping out. At worst, these vaccines were experimental, not proven to be safe long-term and have the risk of doing major damage just like all vaccines. But I don't believe people at Pfizer and Moderna were intentionally trying to make them deadly. There probably were some deals made as it's all about money usually. But like I've said before, the purpose I believe of this virus was to bring down the economy, create false narratives on both sides of the debate, so that when the next deadly virus comes, no one will trust what their government tells them.

Keeping people in the dark is the MO of evil people. Go study how the atomic bomb was created. Multiple agencies working on their own little part, but none of them really knew what they were creating.

Even in the trials, people were dying. And these shots were in the works for a very long time, way before we were told "covid" was here.

Well I don't know about that. They've been working on the new technology for years and years, and are going to use that in future vaccines for different things. There are always people who die in clinical trials. If the deaths are low enough, you pass.

They skewed the data. The fear porn is off the charts with this one. Just the VAERS data for this shot alone surpasses all deaths for the past 30 years combined. They KNOW it is killing people.

One way they skewed the data was doing a two- shot trial. Any one who got sick and didn’t want a second shot, and anyone who died after one shot, were dropped from the trial and not counted.....because they didn’t complete the two-shot protocol. Nasty, nasty people, these sorcerers.

[madvin]

This is utter ignorance. I am not name calling, demeaning or unjustly criticizing. 3 years ago, I thought the same thing, but my heart aches as I see the continuation of these falsehoods.

Virology and the germ theory are a compete and utter sham and frankly, an embarrassment to higher intellect, intact history, advanced knowledge and true methods of returning the body to health that are not merely suppressive.

It is vital that the real history of this con and the false scientific paradigm are exposed so that we can escape the constant fear promoting tyrannical control measures via fake pandemics using a manipulative PCR technique (and other testing illusions), take back our power and our health, to perform actual, rigorous non-industry backed science and to free our minds and our souls from these scammers, liars and manipulators.

[Reluctant Watchman]

This is utter ignorance. I am not name calling or unjustly criticizing. 3 years ago, I thought the same thing, but my heart aches as I see the continuation of these falsehoods.

Virology and the germ theory are a compete and utter sham and frankly, an embarrassment to higher intellect, intact history, advanced knowledge and true methods of returning the body to health that are not merely suppressive.

It is vital that the real history of this con and the false scientific paradigm are exposed so that we can escape the constant fear promoting tyrannical control measures via fake pandemics using a manipulative PCR technique (and other testing illusions), take back our power and our health, to perform actual, rigorous non-industry backed science and to free our minds and our souls from these scammers, liars and manipulators.

I was wondering when you'd chime in.

[Chris]

I prayed about the shot and was told not to get it. I have been studying everything related to COVID for a long time and new it was bad. For the same reason the treatment is bad, they bash things that work. Ivermectin & Vitamins etc. The hospital proticol is designed to kill. For that reason and how they do everything in their power to prevent things that cure and minimize risk. It is self evident it is poison. However i think this is much like 9/11. There are a few very bad people pulling the strings that are outright evil. The other 99.99% are just niave and dont want to believe it could be bad. Which is understandable.

[madvin]

I have been studying everything related to COVID for a long time and new it was bad.

Probably not everything.

[EvanLM]

of course this one sided talk thatis repeated over and over again on this forum serves a purpose.

Just like our president's speeches serves a purpose. If you vote for trump then you're really not black. If you support MAGA then you are a terrorist. So you have to think how we think to belong to the USA. so the pres is saying . . you better agree with me cuz I am not those guys

and that type of thinking has changed most people in the USA. we locked the gates and nobody else can play

so I guess, the repeat of the same old dialogue is: Go away unless you will dog the prophet of the COJCLDS . . stay off of our forum if you like the prophet and you are prideful if you support the prophet and you are wrong, and you are going to hell in a handbasket.

btw don't even point out our weaknesses, even if they are the same cuz . . . . . that's the way the mean game is played

btw do you have some support for this schitz: People are dying in droves.

Cuz the experts are not claiming this, rather they are upset that the "trials" have not been ended under the rules that after so many people die then you end the trial. the deaths have exceeded the trial limits and it still has not ended. I don't think bigtree, malone, front line doctors and the others that are posted on this forum are claiming that.

You frequently share your disdain for this forum. If you dislike it so much, why are you on here?

just pointing out that I am not going to jump on your band wagon and my information is different that yours . . .

disagreement is allowed, isn't it?

[EvanLM]

This is utter ignorance. I am not name calling, demeaning or unjustly criticizing. 3 years ago, I thought the same thing, but my heart aches as I see the continuation of these falsehoods.

Virology and the germ theory are a compete and utter sham and frankly, an embarrassment to higher intellect, intact history, advanced knowledge and true methods of returning the body to health that are not merely suppressive.

It is vital that the real history of this con and the false scientific paradigm are exposed so that we can escape the constant fear promoting tyrannical control measures via fake pandemics using a manipulative PCR technique (and other testing illusions), take back our power and our health, to perform actual, rigorous non-industry backed science and to free our minds and our souls from these scammers, liars and manipulators.

unfortunately the cures just keep piling more problems on as they are mostly created by the medical profession that have been deceived . . .I realize that some of these doctors have left their profession and are trying to help us but their solution is to pour more chemicals into us

I have no solution but this world is in real trouble . . the Lord is stirring us up and using the wicked to do it

[EvanLM]

I mean by no solution that I don't know if maybe more drugs will help or a diet or whatever . . just don't know

but I do think whoever made this weapon has the antidote

[EvanLM]

It's okay, I respect your view. I too think the vaccines can be just as damaging as the virus, and perhaps worse in some people's cases. It's hard to know because everyone's bodies reacts differently to vaccines or viruses.

I think you need to understand. They created the virus. They created the vaccine. Both were intended to kill. And yes, people did get their hands on some of the vaccines and the found saline solutions. Even news outlets reported on this.

I don't believe the same people who created the virus created the vaccine. My husband is in this industry, in fact, if I told ya all what his new job was and who it was with, you'd be flipping out. At worst, these vaccines were experimental, not proven to be safe long-term and have the risk of doing major damage just like all vaccines. But I don't believe people at Pfizer and Moderna were intentionally trying to make them deadly. There probably were some deals made as it's all about money usually. But like I've said before, the purpose I believe of this virus was to bring down the economy, create false narratives on both sides of the debate, so that when the next deadly virus comes, no one will trust what their government tells them.

Keeping people in the dark is the MO of evil people. Go study how the atomic bomb was created. Multiple agencies working on their own little part, but none of them really knew what they were creating.

Even in the trials, people were dying. And these shots were in the works for a very long time, way before we were told "covid" was here.

in a true research trial then the saline would represent the control group to compare against . . . they did keep track of batches and who got them. then the CDC asked for batch numbers by having the doctors report to VAERS and could keep of the saline batches or not saline batches

[Wolfwoman]

I still have friends and family proudly posting about how they got their booster. One showed a picture of her band-aid on her arm and how she got the bivalent booster. We have completely different paradigms.

[Christianlee]

I mean by no solution that I don't know if maybe more drugs will help or a diet or whatever . . just don't know

but I do think whoever made this weapon has the antidote

Steve Deace announced yesterday on The Blaze that he has been told a peer-reviewed study will soon be published demonstrating that Omicron was made in a lab to defeat Covid-19. Someone introduced it to stop the NWO plandemic. Igor Chudov had speculated about this in a Substack article in December 2021.

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/urgen ... -likely-to

[madvin]

unfortunately the cures just keep piling more problems on as they are mostly created by the medical profession that have been deceived . . .I realize that some of these doctors have left their profession and are trying to help us but their solution is to pour more chemicals into us

I have no solution but this world is in real trouble . . the Lord is stirring us up and using the wicked to do it

That's what the doctors have been taught. Allopathic medicine. Natural healing (the only actual healing) was scrubbed from the medical curriculum when the Rockefellers took over the medical schools ($$$). So the real solution is to get educated in how your body works and how it heals. No no no, do not suppress the symptoms. THAT is the way the body heals: by letting the symptom work their course.

I know symptoms can get so severe, all one wants is relief. But barring death, it is better to go through that than poisoning oneself even further.

"Many people have heard the heartbreaking story about Nikola Tesla, and how Thomas Edison stole his work and caused him to go bankrupt. All the while Tesla has been pretty much erased from History Books…
But how many people know about Antoine Bechamp, and the massive fraud of a man that was Louis Pasteur? Not many I’d bet, as Bechamp was too erased from history. The reason behind this is actually much more sinister than one can imagine.
During his lifetime, Antoine Bechamp (1816-1908) was a well-known and widely respected professor, teacher, and researcher. He was an active member of the French Academy of Sciences, and gave many presentations there during his long career. He also published many papers, all of which still exist and are available.
And yet, he has disappeared from history.
On the other hand, Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) is one of the great rock stars of medicine and biology. Of the two – Bechamp or Pasteur – he’s the one you’ve most likely heard of. His is one of the most recognizable names in modern science. Many discoveries and advances in medicine and microbiology are attributed to him, including vaccination and the centrepiece of his science – the germ theory of disease.
Louis Pasteur was actually a liar, a coward and a fraud. Pasteur renounced his own theory on his death bed.
Germ Theory was all wrong: “It’s the terrain, not the germ.” quoted Louis Pasteur on his death bed…
It’s not the bacteria or the viruses themselves that produce the disease, it’s the chemical by-products and constituents of these microorganisms enacting upon the unbalanced, malfunctioning cell metabolism of the human body that in actuality produce disease. If the body’s cellular metabolism and pH is perfectly balanced or poised, it is susceptible to no illness or disease."
(https://yummy.doctor/blog/the-shocking- ... oorganisms)

[Wolfwoman]

I mean by no solution that I don't know if maybe more drugs will help or a diet or whatever . . just don't know

but I do think whoever made this weapon has the antidote

Steve Deace announced yesterday on The Blaze that he has been told a peer-reviewed study will soon be published demonstrating that Omicron was made in a lab to defeat Covid-19. Someone introduced it to stop the NWO plandemic. Igor Chudov had speculated about this in a Substack article in December 2021.

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/urgen ... -likely-to

Wow, interesting. It hasn't stopped it though. I guess it stopped the original strain though, and probably Delta? And gave us a much milder virus?

[Christianlee]

I mean by no solution that I don't know if maybe more drugs will help or a diet or whatever . . just don't know

but I do think whoever made this weapon has the antidote

Steve Deace announced yesterday on The Blaze that he has been told a peer-reviewed study will soon be published demonstrating that Omicron was made in a lab to defeat Covid-19. Someone introduced it to stop the NWO plandemic. Igor Chudov had speculated about this in a Substack article in December 2021.

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/urgen ... -likely-to

Wow, interesting. It hasn't stopped it though. I guess it stopped the original strain though, and probably Delta? And gave us a much milder virus?

The point was according to this theory that a more quickly spreading milder version would keep Delta in check. Usually, the original version should have become a milder version instead of the worse version that Delta became. The concern was the original was made to spawn worse and worse variants. Omicron was created to stop that. It is an interesting concept, but who knows how true it is.

[Allison]

It was very disturbing when they promoted the vaccine that all my research and every whispering of the Spirit that I could discern was to warn against it. But in their defense, it may have been a question they already thought we all knew, and maybe they didn’t ask the Lord, or maybe it was a perfunctory checking in. Not sure.

Also, they never claimed their counsel was inspired nor that they had received revelation. They never invoked the name of Christ, so I can forgive what I think was a tragic but quite possibly honest mistake.

What is not easy to forgive is the incessant harping on the idea of a prophet’s infallibility. I wish they would tell their junior apostles to just stop saying that. It’s clearly a false doctrine and the saints should be taught and reminded to check everything they say against the Spirit and take full responsibility for their own decisions.

Actually, they did. I had to dig around the forum a bit, but Mamabear posted this back on April 13th in the “General Conference” thread:

Referring to the August 12th letter, Elder Renlund said, “as it was discussed by the first presidency and quorum of the 12, is it seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us to send that letter.”

You’re right, Renlund did say that, and apparently they said it to him. That’s even worse. I was thinking about the email itself which came across more like an office memo, though that’s bad enough. But they’ve got to stop with the Infallible Pope/President doctrine.

[Allison]

Also, they never claimed their counsel was inspired nor that they had received revelation. They never invoked the name of Christ, so I can forgive what I think was a tragic but quite possibly honest mistake.

They made this claim very clearly and emphatically, actually. It's been pointed out here on this forum many times.

What is not easy to forgive is the incessant harping on the idea of a prophet’s infallibility. I wish they would tell their junior apostles to just stop saying that.

The claim is coming from Pres. Nelson, himself.

You’re probably right. I was just thinking of the email. It’s amazing how high positions, even just Bishop and Stake President can go to people’s heads and they start to believe that whatever their thoughts are must be the mind and will of the Lord.

[Allison]

and everyone should take full responsibitlity and not complain about having to do that . . . lots of people listened to and followed the HG or researched the whole covid and vax that then made a decision . .

and I've never heard them complain or gripe about taking respomsibility for themselves

but many posters on this forum have complained for 2.5 years that they had to follow the HG and find out the truth themselves by studying . . .guess they wanted to be lazy and have it just spoon fed to them by the prophets they gripe about

lay on the floor and kick your feet and yell . . maybe God will notice and reward you . .

The problem is how many times I sang Follow the Prophet with my children, and several of them have taken the jab. I’ve been in slow motion mourning, so fearful of what awaits them. We should have been singing “Let the Holy Spirit Guide” a lot more.

[Jason]

Says you...

So one word was added to a facebook post...otherwise it was the government tagline word for word...

Who owns facebook by the way? In-Q-Tel maybe?

How do you even know those were his words and they didn't just utilize his account? Maybe not...but if it happened to you...what exactly would you do about it?

What about the 20 million dollar donation for covid vaccines? I didn't just say that. Nor did I just say they called it a 'godsend'.

What about it? Is there a conspiracy or not? If there is how deep does it go and how much power over the world does it have?

Since it's the anniversary...9/11 any indicator?

The church is playing ball. Leadership reiterated the government tagline which is a bald faced lie.

Either they are bad...in which case why preach for good?

Or is the conspiracy really that strong and it's going to take Christ personally to break the chains? In which case it is a sign of how far they have to go to keep the main operation moving forward? Keep the temples going...

Everyone has to figure it out for themselves. All I can say is I know the work is real and continues...both on the living and the dead. The Spirit is there and strong...and good is happening. The Priesthood keys are still there and functioning.

To each their own on it though...and we can certainly pick this up in 12-18 months with some more water under the bridge and see where things are at then...

when the elections are over, in nov. then we will see change . . I'm afraid it won't be good change, though