BYU students and faculty gather in first-ever approved LGBTQ demonstration

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Kit-OTW wrote: June 15th, 2022, 9:29 am
Mamabear wrote: June 15th, 2022, 9:02 am
Robin Hood wrote: June 15th, 2022, 12:11 am I have my house on the market at present. The highest offer I have received is from a homosexual "couple". Their (cash) offer is about $30,000 higher than the asking price, and $65,000 higher than any other offer.
I have lived here for 29 years and raised my family here. I don't want my home to be defiled.
Should I sell to them?
I don’t know what to tell you to do.
But a couple of thoughts…. it will no longer be your home. It is only a place, a thing. Who’s to say it won’t be “defiled” in other ways if someone else buys it?

I’ve been thinking lately about this….
I think sometimes we, myself included, put too much stock in places, thinking churches, homes, etc can be holy or evil.
When in reality it’s people who are righteous or evil.
If people defile themselves somewhere, then I think the place remains neutral, because places don’t have a spirit since they aren’t a living thing.
After personal experiences and reading some Near Death Experiences, I believe that if something evil is done in a place, or on something, that can become evil. We know that many "things" like trees and water and mountains are living and responsive to the voice of the creator. If that "thing" is sentient enough to recognize the voice of the Master, it is likely that they are sentient enough to know when they are being used for evil. On a large scale, we know the earth comes into commotion, when there is evil upon it, because we are told so in the scriptures. I have read of a desk or couch that was in mourning because of wicked use, seen by one in a NDE.

As far as personal experiences, my family member lived in a house a long time ago. She noticed a significant change/problem in a specific area of the house. This area extended through both levels of the house. When the family member inquired about it from the former owner, it was admitted that someone had taken his life in that exact spot.

Portals are mentioned in the Bible twice. Because of a dream I had, I believe in portals. We can open good portals in our homes, or we can open evil if we choose to by viewing porn, or other sins. Do you not think, that Satan would love to mark his territories, by marking places or things with evil? For example, a ouji board is a thing and it is marked by evil.

Understanding this is important, because as children of the Creator, we can open or close portals by our choices. If we are righteously living God's laws, we have been blessed with the power to close evil portals. That is simply an extension of the concept of raising your arm to the square to cast out devils and unclean spirits.
I understand what you’re saying, but lately I’ve come to think otherwise. The earth has a spirit but objects like homes or ouji boards don’t. I read the account of the nde where objects can feel sin and mourn but I don’t believe it.
Evil spirits can be anywhere, anytime. Spirits can go wherever they want to and try to influence whoever they may.
I don’t believe we can dedicate or bless places because they aren’t living and don’t have a spirit.
For example, a family moves into a house and blesses it. One of the family members starts using drugs or committing sexual sin in the house. Does the house become a place of evil or does the person? What if the husband has the Holy Spirit in him? Does it remain with him because he’s righteous but his house is defiled? I think it remains with him wherever he is regardless of his home where his child has chosen sin.
My point is, is that the Spirit is in people not in places, which is the same for evil….the spirit of the devil is in people not places.

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Mamabear wrote: June 14th, 2022, 3:20 pm
Jashon wrote: June 14th, 2022, 2:45 pm So, who sanctioned this event? Ultimately the trustees, right? FP/Q15. They own this. How do they justify this? Compassion? This isn't compassion. It's leading many down the primrose path.
Worthen and the 15, I suppose.
Worthen came to our stake a few years ago. His whole talk was on how Laman and Lemuel will be saved. I thought it was strange.

He and Nelson are cut from the same cloth.
https://news.byu.edu/announcements/byu- ... -belonging
LaL might, somewhere in the celestial kingdom.

Doesn't mean they haven't spent 2,000+ years in hell...

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blitzinstripes wrote: June 14th, 2022, 6:40 pm ...
Experiencing temptation is not a sin. Identifying yourself as the temptation and submitting to it, certainly is.
Yeah. Experiencing temptation--even SSA--is not a sin. We are all tempted with sin, and some very sorely. It's whether you accept, submit, try to cover it with changes in doctrine, and especially glorify in that sin, like Cain gloried in the evil he did. I don't walk around introducing myself "Hi, I'm JohnnyL, and I have a problem because I like to think about smoking crack and fornicating" and then smile, and then get everyone else ok with me thinking about smoking crack and fornicating, and then complain when people don't want to hang out with me or let their children hang out with me, and we shouldn't have talks about the Word of Wisdom or the Law of Chastity or I don't feel safe and I'm going to kill myself, etc.

And SSA is hardly the only temptation that might last a lifetime. Being single (like thousands of women in the Church, many of whom would have chosen otherwise, if they could), being infertile, being poor, bad health, mental illness, birth defects, health defects, addictions, etc. all bring temptation and pain and suffering, maybe even constantly.

And yes, just like SSA, many might also have to wait until after this mortal existence to not have them anymore.

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tribrac wrote: June 14th, 2022, 8:16 pm Since everything said in the past can now be ignored, and everything said today will probably be ignored tomorrow...

Am I wrong to ignore everything someone else says and live according to my own concise?
Everything that *man* speculated on or said in the past can be ignored, but not what the Holy Ghost said. Prophets in the past were fallible, too. Many rumors and hearsay got passed down, and even worse, interpretations of rumors and hearsay were made up and got passed down.

One can know that because some things are completely contradictory with others.

There were some truths, though.

What President Kimball did was cut out all of that speculation, rumors, hearsay, and their interpretations; and then there was a change in practice that Blacks could have the priesthood in this life (it was never doubted, or never should have been doubted, about the next life).

In the latter days dispensation, the Aaronic priesthood was not just for Aaron (even though the priesthood existed from Adam), but for men from other tribes; and with President Kimball's revelation, Black men.

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Robin Hood wrote: June 15th, 2022, 12:11 am I have my house on the market at present. The highest offer I have received is from a homosexual "couple". Their (cash) offer is about $30,000 higher than the asking price, and $65,000 higher than any other offer.
I have lived here for 29 years and raised my family here. I don't want my home to be defiled.
Should I sell to them?
it won't be your house any more...sooo I would take the cash and run....never look back...find something better, relax and not worry about other peoples choices.......I just sold a house and I have no idea about their mating habits....and I don't care...took the money and I'm running to something much better away from the pnw...lol.....probably in the nick of time....

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Kit-OTW wrote: June 15th, 2022, 9:29 am
Mamabear wrote: June 15th, 2022, 9:02 am
Robin Hood wrote: June 15th, 2022, 12:11 am I have my house on the market at present. The highest offer I have received is from a homosexual "couple". Their (cash) offer is about $30,000 higher than the asking price, and $65,000 higher than any other offer.
I have lived here for 29 years and raised my family here. I don't want my home to be defiled.
Should I sell to them?
I don’t know what to tell you to do.
But a couple of thoughts…. it will no longer be your home. It is only a place, a thing. Who’s to say it won’t be “defiled” in other ways if someone else buys it?

I’ve been thinking lately about this….
I think sometimes we, myself included, put too much stock in places, thinking churches, homes, etc can be holy or evil.
When in reality it’s people who are righteous or evil.
If people defile themselves somewhere, then I think the place remains neutral, because places don’t have a spirit since they aren’t a living thing.
After personal experiences and reading some Near Death Experiences, I believe that if something evil is done in a place, or on something, that can become evil. We know that many "things" like trees and water and mountains are living and responsive to the voice of the creator. If that "thing" is sentient enough to recognize the voice of the Master, it is likely that they are sentient enough to know when they are being used for evil. On a large scale, we know the earth comes into commotion, when there is evil upon it, because we are told so in the scriptures. I have read of a desk or couch that was in mourning because of wicked use, seen by one in a NDE.

As far as personal experiences, my family member lived in a house a long time ago. She noticed a significant change/problem in a specific area of the house. This area extended through both levels of the house. When the family member inquired about it from the former owner, it was admitted that someone had taken his life in that exact spot.

Portals are mentioned in the Bible twice. Because of a dream I had, I believe in portals. We can open good portals in our homes, or we can open evil if we choose to by viewing porn, or other sins. Do you not think, that Satan would love to mark his territories, by marking places or things with evil? For example, a ouji board is a thing and it is marked by evil.

Understanding this is important, because as children of the Creator, we can open or close portals by our choices. If we are righteously living God's laws, we have been blessed with the power to close evil portals. That is simply an extension of the concept of raising your arm to the square to cast out devils and unclean spirits.
Don't believe everything to read in Visions of Glory.

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Robin Hood wrote: June 15th, 2022, 12:11 am I have my house on the market at present. The highest offer I have received is from a homosexual "couple". Their (cash) offer is about $30,000 higher than the asking price, and $65,000 higher than any other offer.
I have lived here for 29 years and raised my family here. I don't want my home to be defiled.
Should I sell to them?
You will have little control over what happens there after you leave anyway. If you sell it to a couple of "breeders", then they might still sell it on to such people anyway. Or Satanists. You don't know exactly who or what you are selling it to anyway.

My attitude is that you are not responsible for their behaviour. I'd be inclined to take their offer. If you don't, then they'll buy another place nearby, and it will have solved nothing.

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Do you notice that in all of this no one ever mentions the word 'repentance'? Repentance follows 'Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ'. This is basic doctrine. I would never bother sending my children to, or advising others to study at BYU. At least secular universities are honest and up-front with their sodomite debauchery.

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Christianlee wrote: June 15th, 2022, 9:51 am It seems to me this is a situation where BYU is more concerned about satisfying the government and a sports conference than it is about following God.
Yep. That's EXACTLY what it looks like. I mean, the Apostles removed Benemerito for less than this.

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Remember Canadians, your tithing goes directly to BYU, after expenditures. Remember that next time at tithing settlement.

Proof from CRA: https://apps.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/hacc/sr ... 4632RR0001
2020 BYU Transfers (about $68mil): https://apps.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/hacc/sr ... dsplyovrvw
For those interested in the Church's assets in Canada as of 2020: https://apps.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/hacc/sr ... dsplyovrvw

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Sunain wrote: June 20th, 2022, 6:21 am Remember Canadians, your tithing goes directly to BYU, after expenditures. Remember that next time at tithing settlement.

Proof from CRA: https://apps.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/hacc/sr ... 4632RR0001
2020 BYU Transfers (about $68mil): https://apps.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/hacc/sr ... dsplyovrvw
For those interested in the Church's assets in Canada as of 2020: https://apps.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/hacc/sr ... dsplyovrvw
Which is why the Church needs to close down this institution. When Benemerito (Church owned high school) shut down to make room for the new MTC in Mexico, the real reason was corruption at the institution. I feel like they'll do something similar at BYU before too much longer, and it might very well be Holland that makes that announcement (he was the one that also announced Benemerito's closure).

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BYU is so flaming woke these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3_B1eSAuFE
#TheLordsUniversity

I guess we know which "Lord" they are referring to when it's called "The Lord's University". Satan, the God of this world.

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Robin Hood wrote: June 15th, 2022, 12:11 am I have my house on the market at present. The highest offer I have received is from a homosexual "couple". Their (cash) offer is about $30,000 higher than the asking price, and $65,000 higher than any other offer.
I have lived here for 29 years and raised my family here. I don't want my home to be defiled.
Should I sell to them?
Take the money. It can solve a lot of problems for you. When you sell it, it is no longer yours. Invest wisely. Live long and prosper.

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creator wrote: September 5th, 2022, 5:56 pm BYU is so flaming woke these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3_B1eSAuFE
#TheLordsUniversity

I guess we know which "Lord" they are referring to when it's called "The Lord's University". Satan, the God of this world.
Credit given to the two professors that dared to choose the harder right instead of the easier wrong.

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creator wrote: September 5th, 2022, 5:56 pm BYU is so flaming woke these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3_B1eSAuFE
#TheLordsUniversity

I guess we know which "Lord" they are referring to when it's called "The Lord's University". Satan, the God of this world.
This is disgraceful. May there be a huge earthquake to tear this campus down 🤞

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