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Lizzy60 wrote: August 28th, 2022, 6:33 pm
Why didn’t the two people standing next to the jerk, along with the two people standing behind him, just physically take his elbows and escort him from the stands at the first utterance of the slur. Cowards. Instead they just let him continue, probably thinking it was funny.
bc they probably would be sued /jailed for assault.

I wonder if all the people wringing their hands over some name calling get as upset when people use the F word? Or do they get upset by the 10s of thousands dying from drug overdoses? Or about the billions destroyed in riots? Or the people being illegally jailed for J9? Or that Prez Trump’s constitutional rights were violated? Or that 1000s raped, Murdered, sex trafficked at the S border? Or that our most important public institutions have become corrupt? Or about the millions of babies that are killed before birth?

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MikeMaillet wrote: August 29th, 2022, 4:36 am One possibility is that the person who yelled out the obscenity was paid to do this. A huge percentage of news stories seem designed to stir up racial hatred. It's a possibility. It is nevertheless sad that no one intervened.

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Bad look for BYU, and the state. I hope it didn't happen the way the news is describing it.

To Mike from Ontario's point...
Not saying it happened this way....I don't know many of the facts. But if someone had a grudge against BYU or LDS or Utah....it would be an easy thing to hire someone who was not connected to the University to do this, or do it themselves.

In the age of 24-hours news cycle, where everything is shock, outrage and overreaction it doesn't take an evil genius to figure out this would harm BYU, LDS Inc, and/or Utah.

But if it was not a scheme, in today's world, what kind of numbskull would go into a public place and shout like that? I wonder about mental illness.

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Niemand wrote: August 29th, 2022, 2:02 am
GeeR wrote: August 28th, 2022, 8:47 pm Sticks and stones will break your bones but names can never hurt you.
I don't consider this incident anything as hurtful as this, but... I've never considered this statement to be true.

Children often come out with this saying. The reality is far different. A bone breakage hurts far more in the short term, but heals up. Name calling can affect someone for a lifetime. Sometimes some of us can roll with the punches, but a well aimed verbal jab can sometimes stay with us.

Earlier this year I had to talk someone out of suicide because he felt worthless — the root of this seems to have been things that his father had said to him repeatedly as a small child, such as telling him that he would never amount to anything or find a wife. It is a shame, because I like the man, and all our mutual friends agree that he is a good person... some women tell me they find him attractive, but he struggles to shake all this off.

By the way, I think Black Lives Matter has set black people back by years in some respects but that's another issue.
Sorry to hear about the person with the inferiority complex, situations like this happen and it is sad that they carry these negative things with them into adulthood. The reality is that there is a movement to make "violent words" equivalent to violent actions, if this catches on then we can all kiss the 1st amendment good-bye and say hello to the gulag. Muslims in this country want so-called Islamophobic hate speech outlawed and made a capital crime under Sheria law so they can disengage the offenders head from the rest of his body. They're working to make it a reality and this in the United States of America!!!!????

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DesertWonderer2 wrote: August 29th, 2022, 12:04 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: August 28th, 2022, 6:33 pm
Why didn’t the two people standing next to the jerk, along with the two people standing behind him, just physically take his elbows and escort him from the stands at the first utterance of the slur. Cowards. Instead they just let him continue, probably thinking it was funny.
bc they probably would be sued /jailed for assault.

I wonder if all the people wringing their hands over some name calling get as upset when people use the F word? Or do they get upset by the 10s of thousands dying from drug overdoses? Or about the billions destroyed in riots? Or the people being illegally jailed for J9? Or that Prez Trump’s constitutional rights were violated? Or that 1000s raped, Murdered, sex trafficked at the S border? Or that our most important public institutions have become corrupt? Or about the millions of babies that are killed before birth?
Exactly. I'm sure most of them do not.

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I wonder what sort of uproar would've occurred if the heckler, instead of yelling the "N-word", was yelling "Mormon" every time one of the BYU women was serving...

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madvin wrote: August 29th, 2022, 9:59 am
Serragon wrote: August 29th, 2022, 9:21 am The church/BYU reaction to this incident has been a great example of how the church has adopted collectivist ideology and is right in line with COVID, global citizens, etc.

First, we need to keep in perspective what actually happened. A distasteful word was said by 1 person in a crowd of 5000+ people. But by the reaction you would think that something of titanic proportions had occurred.

Second, it is important to understand that young people today aren't really racist. When they say something like this it is because they know it is the most powerful thing they can say to get under someone's skin. The over the top reaction is what gives these words power. There isn't anything this person could have said that would have had more disruptive power.

My family and I tuned in to watch the replay of the BYU/WSU game yesterday. Instead of the game starting, we were treated to a recorded statement by the announcer with goofy hair about the incident and BYU's response. In the statement, he said that they had identified the culprit who was not a student and banned them for life from attending any BYU athletic events. Seems rather harsh for a church/school that focuses on tolerance, love, and the divine nature of human beings to give the death penalty to someone with no chance of redemption. But the culprit was dealt with, and that should have been the end of the story.

But because BYU/Church has bought into the collectivist and intersectional nonsense, instead of this being the end of the story it is just the beginning. Because this is now an opportunity for BYU/Church to put on some theater for their peers and the audience they truly fear and respect.

So the goofy haired guy starts lecturing my family and I and everyone else watching the game about how this cannot happen and that we need to be better. Why am I getting lectured? The person who did it has already been caught. Why do the thousands watching the broadcast need to be lectured by this idiot about how they need to be better when they havent' actually done anything wrong? The answer is that this isn't really about stopping racism, it is about putting on a show for the intersectionalists in power. I have to be punished so BYU/Church can look like they care more about this issue then anyone else. The individual once again sacrificed for the collective by the church.

Then I am told that the Athletic Director gave a speech to the audience before the game. Same idea. Can't happen. Be better. And once again the audience of entirely innocent people is castigated and treated as racist perpetrators because one person who was not a student decided to say a distasteful word. They all must be punished so that the church/school can look good to their peers. More theater.

Then I find out that Duke decided to play their last game of the tournament at a local high school gym instead of the BYU gym. Even though the culprit had been apprehended and punished, it seems that it was just too risky and dangerous for this team of strong, powerful, intelligent, resilient, better than men at everything women to play a game with a crowd present in the same gym where a word was said by one person. You see, Duke couldn't allow themselves to be out-theatered by BYU in this whole thing. Duke is the victim, and Duke must win the competition for leftist theater. So they take the ridiculous position that they can't play in the gym, and BYU must consent and take second place in the woke theater olympics.

None of this is actually about ending racism. None is about justice. It is all about taking an event and leveraging it to the fullest. It is about collectivist and tribal ideology. It is about putting on the best passion play for your leftist peers. Just like masks. Just like shots. Just like photo ops with the NAACP. Just like acceptance of homosexuality. Just like good global citizens.
Could not agree more. It seems there are a few unforgivable sins that are so egregious that they must ban the perpetrator to outer darkness...to make themselves feel better and superior I think... even if it didn't happen.
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Fred wrote: August 28th, 2022, 7:04 pm If someone called me a cracker or honky, it would not upset me in the slightest. I have been called those things way back in the day when I lived around those type of people. I've even been called the short gray haired crippled guy by white folk. Big deal. Sometimes I am the only one in town so people know who they are talking about.

One time I was in the store and wanted a can I couldn't reach. There was a tall guy nearby so I said "Hey tall guy can you reach that for me?" He wasn't offended and grabbed it for me.

I don't think people ought to say derogatory things to other people, but if they do, it's only words. It's not like they hit you with a baseball bat. Get over it.

Saying "Ouch! My feelings hurt" doesn't help. Being rude back doesn't help either. The people that just ignored the remarks probably did the best thing. Sure, they could have grabbed the guy and assaulted him. Maybe just a STFU would be sufficient.

The N word is more of an action than a skin color.

Making something of themselves seems like a better tactic than being offended.
I stopped watching Jazz games before all the BLM crap because of the way they handled the altercation of Russel Westbrook and a fan who was banned for life with no proof whatsoever that he used any racial language of any kind.
Of course ABC News made a huge deal about it and made a whole story about how racist Utah is.
This caused the Jazz organization to throw the fan under the bus and make an example out of him without knowing the facts. They even made a TV commercial of the Jazz organization and other high profile people in Utah condemning racism trying to prove to everyone that Utah is not racist.
It was like a repeat of when the NBA did a commercial all about not offending the gays after Kobe Bryant became the new villain of the NBA for trash talking another NBA player telling him his moves were gay. I actually became a Kobe Bryant fan after this. Kobe also earned my respect for always making conservative viewed remarks when asked about social and political questions. He was very unpopular for it. He even refused to defend Trevon Martin. He only gave to charities if they would not tell anyone it was him. I saw that I was probably wrong about everything I ever thought about the guy.
Name calling shows a low level of maturity but being offended by it is even worse. It’s beyond childish in many cases.

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Ebenezer wrote: August 29th, 2022, 9:04 am BYU banned somebody. Maybe. And with no proof that that person was guilty of anything.

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When it comes to racial justice.

Any Whitey will do.

Being White is what matters.

Some peoples feelings are more important than others.

Cowardice is the primary motivator here.

High and mighty Whitey.

Wants to stay that way.

Throw little nobody Whitey under bus.

The crowd isn't fooled.

They smell blood.

Only question is.

Whose.

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I smell a lawsuit coming if this person didn’t do it!

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Why assume it happens they way they say?

Why assume it happened at all?

We totally need to invert our tendency to assume everything we see in the news really happened until we see evidence to the contrary.

The news cycle is a rolling soap. They don't care whether what they tell us is real or not. They know it isn't about reality. They know it's about brainwashing us. Killing our minds with a thousand little cuts. Dripping sound bite stories into our subconscious to make us get a picture of the world they want us to have.

Assume it's all fiction - until you see evidence to the contrary.

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This thread is proof positive that this board's population can literally turn ANYTHING into a conspiracy theory. Congrats on that achievement, I guess.

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dreamtheater76 wrote: August 29th, 2022, 5:45 pm
Fred wrote: August 28th, 2022, 7:04 pm If someone called me a cracker or honky, it would not upset me in the slightest. I have been called those things way back in the day when I lived around those type of people. I've even been called the short gray haired crippled guy by white folk. Big deal. Sometimes I am the only one in town so people know who they are talking about.

One time I was in the store and wanted a can I couldn't reach. There was a tall guy nearby so I said "Hey tall guy can you reach that for me?" He wasn't offended and grabbed it for me.

I don't think people ought to say derogatory things to other people, but if they do, it's only words. It's not like they hit you with a baseball bat. Get over it.

Saying "Ouch! My feelings hurt" doesn't help. Being rude back doesn't help either. The people that just ignored the remarks probably did the best thing. Sure, they could have grabbed the guy and assaulted him. Maybe just a STFU would be sufficient.

The N word is more of an action than a skin color.

Making something of themselves seems like a better tactic than being offended.
Name calling shows a low level of maturity but being offended by it is even worse. It’s beyond childish in many cases.
This goes far beyond being offended by name calling. This is about power and using that power to force others to be subservient to you.

Duke claims someone said something nasty. They then claim BYU did not do enough to stop it while it was occurring. They take it to the national media. When they finally point out the person and they are disciplined, it is still not enough. They require that their ridiculous demands of playing at another venue are accepted.

And BYU gladly acquiesces and gives them this power. The BYU administration then try and position themselves in their own power base by putting on a show of chastising all the innocent people for racism. Notice the BUY admin is not being called out for anything. It is the nasty common people who are the real problem. They need to be scolded for behavior they did not engage in, because all of these admin aristocrats "know" that deep down they are all a bunch of racists.

It is all rather disgusting, but is a perfect example of how our society operates today. Duke are heroes for being called a name and forcing others to implement their ridiculous demands. BYU admin are heroes for taking a tough stand and putting on many public plays of standing up to racism. You and I are the villians, even though we have done nothing wrong.

Far from wanting to get rid of racism, these "heroes" actually seek it out and nurture it so that it can continue to exist and they can continue to be heroes. They need racism, and will manufacture it or magnify the very small instances that do exist. And this incident exemplifies how this process works. One person saying a word somehow turns into national news, a whole team of heroic victims who may need counseling for the trauma, and a whole fan base tarred and feathered for the very small sin committed by one of them.

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Lizzy60 wrote: August 28th, 2022, 6:33 pm More bad news for the church via BYU ——

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/col ... 95149.html

At a Duke vs BYU women’s volleyball match, a fan hollered “n-g-er” at one of the Duke players several times during the game. He was in the student section, and none of the students did anything. Neither did anyone else. It was only after the game that BYU officials, upon complaints and outrage from Duke, decided to take action.

For every step forward the FP and Q12 have tried to gain in proving the church is no longer racist (millions to NAACP, anyone?) BYU just kicked them all the way back down the hill.

Why didn’t the two people standing next to the jerk, along with the two people standing behind him, just physically take his elbows and escort him from the stands at the first utterance of the slur. Cowards. Instead they just let him continue, probably thinking it was funny.
Because in all likelihood it didn't happen. Read the report below. BYU didn't kick anything down the hill. Nobody could ID the person and security couldn't find him. BYU security and the facility management were searching for the person but couldn't find him - sounds like they were actively trying to stop it. I find it very hard to believe that if somebody at a BYU game was yelling out racial slurs, that nobody would say something to the guy and/or point out to security who it was.
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Mala_Suerte wrote: August 30th, 2022, 1:23 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: August 28th, 2022, 6:33 pm More bad news for the church via BYU ——

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/col ... 95149.html

At a Duke vs BYU women’s volleyball match, a fan hollered “n-g-er” at one of the Duke players several times during the game. He was in the student section, and none of the students did anything. Neither did anyone else. It was only after the game that BYU officials, upon complaints and outrage from Duke, decided to take action.

For every step forward the FP and Q12 have tried to gain in proving the church is no longer racist (millions to NAACP, anyone?) BYU just kicked them all the way back down the hill.

Why didn’t the two people standing next to the jerk, along with the two people standing behind him, just physically take his elbows and escort him from the stands at the first utterance of the slur. Cowards. Instead they just let him continue, probably thinking it was funny.
Because in all likelihood it didn't happen. Read the report below. BYU didn't kick anything down the hill. Nobody could ID the person and security couldn't find him. BYU security and the facility management were searching for the person but couldn't find him - sounds like they were actively trying to stop it. I find it very hard to believe that if somebody at a BYU game was yelling out racial slurs, that nobody would say something to the guy and/or point out to security who it was.
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Ya know what? At this point is doesn’t matter whether it happened! Almost everyone who has read the news accounts, and it is all over mainstream media, believes it happened, so BYU has a black eye, and further damage to their reputation. Just like it doesn’t matter what the reason was for removing the LGBTQ resource booklet, or even if those booklets actually existed, people reading the mainstream news believe the booklets were removed and that BYU is anti-LGBTQ.

Many times, perception is everything. Especially when it comes to reputation and also missionary work.

So let me say it again — at this point, it doesn’t matter whether the incident happened in the way it was reported.

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Serragon wrote: August 30th, 2022, 10:19 am
dreamtheater76 wrote: August 29th, 2022, 5:45 pm
Fred wrote: August 28th, 2022, 7:04 pm If someone called me a cracker or honky, it would not upset me in the slightest. I have been called those things way back in the day when I lived around those type of people. I've even been called the short gray haired crippled guy by white folk. Big deal. Sometimes I am the only one in town so people know who they are talking about.

One time I was in the store and wanted a can I couldn't reach. There was a tall guy nearby so I said "Hey tall guy can you reach that for me?" He wasn't offended and grabbed it for me.

I don't think people ought to say derogatory things to other people, but if they do, it's only words. It's not like they hit you with a baseball bat. Get over it.

Saying "Ouch! My feelings hurt" doesn't help. Being rude back doesn't help either. The people that just ignored the remarks probably did the best thing. Sure, they could have grabbed the guy and assaulted him. Maybe just a STFU would be sufficient.

The N word is more of an action than a skin color.

Making something of themselves seems like a better tactic than being offended.
Name calling shows a low level of maturity but being offended by it is even worse. It’s beyond childish in many cases.
This goes far beyond being offended by name calling. This is about power and using that power to force others to be subservient to you.

Duke claims someone said something nasty. They then claim BYU did not do enough to stop it while it was occurring. They take it to the national media. When they finally point out the person and they are disciplined, it is still not enough. They require that their ridiculous demands of playing at another venue are accepted.

And BYU gladly acquiesces and gives them this power. The BYU administration then try and position themselves in their own power base by putting on a show of chastising all the innocent people for racism. Notice the BUY admin is not being called out for anything. It is the nasty common people who are the real problem. They need to be scolded for behavior they did not engage in, because all of these admin aristocrats "know" that deep down they are all a bunch of racists.

It is all rather disgusting, but is a perfect example of how our society operates today. Duke are heroes for being called a name and forcing others to implement their ridiculous demands. BYU admin are heroes for taking a tough stand and putting on many public plays of standing up to racism. You and I are the villians, even though we have done nothing wrong.

Far from wanting to get rid of racism, these "heroes" actually seek it out and nurture it so that it can continue to exist and they can continue to be heroes. They need racism, and will manufacture it or magnify the very small instances that do exist. And this incident exemplifies how this process works. One person saying a word somehow turns into national news, a whole team of heroic victims who may need counseling for the trauma, and a whole fan base tarred and feathered for the very small sin committed by one of them.
Your right. Definitely manufactured. It’s the only ammo they have to keep racism alive and brainwash the youth back into it. I stopped using social media years ago because I was tired of all the people feeding the flames and falling hook line and sinker becoming the very problem they claimed to be fighting against.

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Lizzy60 wrote: August 30th, 2022, 1:50 pm
Mala_Suerte wrote: August 30th, 2022, 1:23 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: August 28th, 2022, 6:33 pm More bad news for the church via BYU ——

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/col ... 95149.html

At a Duke vs BYU women’s volleyball match, a fan hollered “n-g-er” at one of the Duke players several times during the game. He was in the student section, and none of the students did anything. Neither did anyone else. It was only after the game that BYU officials, upon complaints and outrage from Duke, decided to take action.

For every step forward the FP and Q12 have tried to gain in proving the church is no longer racist (millions to NAACP, anyone?) BYU just kicked them all the way back down the hill.

Why didn’t the two people standing next to the jerk, along with the two people standing behind him, just physically take his elbows and escort him from the stands at the first utterance of the slur. Cowards. Instead they just let him continue, probably thinking it was funny.
Because in all likelihood it didn't happen. Read the report below. BYU didn't kick anything down the hill. Nobody could ID the person and security couldn't find him. BYU security and the facility management were searching for the person but couldn't find him - sounds like they were actively trying to stop it. I find it very hard to believe that if somebody at a BYU game was yelling out racial slurs, that nobody would say something to the guy and/or point out to security who it was.
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Ya know what? At this point is doesn’t matter whether it happened! Almost everyone who has read the news accounts, and it is all over mainstream media, believes it happened, so BYU has a black eye, and further damage to their reputation. Just like it doesn’t matter what the reason was for removing the LGBTQ resource booklet, or even if those booklets actually existed, people reading the mainstream news believe the booklets were removed and that BYU is anti-LGBTQ.

Many times, perception is everything. Especially when it comes to reputation and also missionary work.

So let me say it again — at this point, it doesn’t matter whether the incident happened in the way it was reported.
It is all propaganda all the time. The truth is irrelevant when all that matters is the subjective feelings of one of the Duke players. BYU responded as though it were true, and therefore it is.

Of course, their response still isn't "good enough". It never could be. There is always more you can do to show your subservience to those wielding power over you. But they obediently treated every fan as though they were racist and scolded them, so they did try their best.

The response of a rational adult would have been to simply look for the person and kick them out of the game if they found them. But we no longer live in a rational world of adults. We are smack dab in the middle of a world controlled by the subjective feelings of deviants and self-made victims.

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Lizzy60 wrote: August 30th, 2022, 1:50 pm
Mala_Suerte wrote: August 30th, 2022, 1:23 pm
Lizzy60 wrote: August 28th, 2022, 6:33 pm More bad news for the church via BYU ——

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/col ... 95149.html

At a Duke vs BYU women’s volleyball match, a fan hollered “n-g-er” at one of the Duke players several times during the game. He was in the student section, and none of the students did anything. Neither did anyone else. It was only after the game that BYU officials, upon complaints and outrage from Duke, decided to take action.

For every step forward the FP and Q12 have tried to gain in proving the church is no longer racist (millions to NAACP, anyone?) BYU just kicked them all the way back down the hill.

Why didn’t the two people standing next to the jerk, along with the two people standing behind him, just physically take his elbows and escort him from the stands at the first utterance of the slur. Cowards. Instead they just let him continue, probably thinking it was funny.
Because in all likelihood it didn't happen. Read the report below. BYU didn't kick anything down the hill. Nobody could ID the person and security couldn't find him. BYU security and the facility management were searching for the person but couldn't find him - sounds like they were actively trying to stop it. I find it very hard to believe that if somebody at a BYU game was yelling out racial slurs, that nobody would say something to the guy and/or point out to security who it was.
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Ya know what? At this point is doesn’t matter whether it happened! Almost everyone who has read the news accounts, and it is all over mainstream media, believes it happened, so BYU has a black eye, and further damage to their reputation. Just like it doesn’t matter what the reason was for removing the LGBTQ resource booklet, or even if those booklets actually existed, people reading the mainstream news believe the booklets were removed and that BYU is anti-LGBTQ.

Many times, perception is everything. Especially when it comes to reputation and also missionary work.

So let me say it again — at this point, it doesn’t matter whether the incident happened in the way it was reported.
Nice straw man response. You go on and on about how nobody did anything, not the people in the stands, not BYU and how it was only after the fact and because of outrage that BYU did anything. Now your only concern is how it was perceived. How interesting.

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My wife just told me she knows one of the refs who said it was all BS. They couldn’t find anyone who had heard anyone yelling anything racial and after watching video noticed no reaction from the black player who was supposedly being yelled at. He told her, “It’s all politics.”

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Wow. Excellent analysis.
Serragon wrote: August 29th, 2022, 9:21 am The church/BYU reaction to this incident has been a great example of how the church has adopted collectivist ideology and is right in line with COVID, global citizens, etc.

First, we need to keep in perspective what actually happened. A distasteful word was said by 1 person in a crowd of 5000+ people. But by the reaction you would think that something of titanic proportions had occurred.

Second, it is important to understand that young people today aren't really racist. When they say something like this it is because they know it is the most powerful thing they can say to get under someone's skin. The over the top reaction is what gives these words power. There isn't anything this person could have said that would have had more disruptive power.

My family and I tuned in to watch the replay of the BYU/WSU game yesterday. Instead of the game starting, we were treated to a recorded statement by the announcer with goofy hair about the incident and BYU's response. In the statement, he said that they had identified the culprit who was not a student and banned them for life from attending any BYU athletic events. Seems rather harsh for a church/school that focuses on tolerance, love, and the divine nature of human beings to give the death penalty to someone with no chance of redemption. But the culprit was dealt with, and that should have been the end of the story.

But because BYU/Church has bought into the collectivist and intersectional nonsense, instead of this being the end of the story it is just the beginning. Because this is now an opportunity for BYU/Church to put on some theater for their peers and the audience they truly fear and respect.

So the goofy haired guy starts lecturing my family and I and everyone else watching the game about how this cannot happen and that we need to be better. Why am I getting lectured? The person who did it has already been caught. Why do the thousands watching the broadcast need to be lectured by this idiot about how they need to be better when they havent' actually done anything wrong? The answer is that this isn't really about stopping racism, it is about putting on a show for the intersectionalists in power. I have to be punished so BYU/Church can look like they care more about this issue then anyone else. The individual once again sacrificed for the collective by the church.

Then I am told that the Athletic Director gave a speech to the audience before the game. Same idea. Can't happen. Be better. And once again the audience of entirely innocent people is castigated and treated as racist perpetrators because one person who was not a student decided to say a distasteful word. They all must be punished so that the church/school can look good to their peers. More theater.

Then I find out that Duke decided to play their last game of the tournament at a local high school gym instead of the BYU gym. Even though the culprit had been apprehended and punished, it seems that it was just too risky and dangerous for this team of strong, powerful, intelligent, resilient, better than men at everything women to play a game with a crowd present in the same gym where a word was said by one person. You see, Duke couldn't allow themselves to be out-theatered by BYU in this whole thing. Duke is the victim, and Duke must win the competition for leftist theater. So they take the ridiculous position that they can't play in the gym, and BYU must consent and take second place in the woke theater olympics.

None of this is actually about ending racism. None is about justice. It is all about taking an event and leveraging it to the fullest. It is about collectivist and tribal ideology. It is about putting on the best passion play for your leftist peers. Just like masks. Just like shots. Just like photo ops with the NAACP. Just like acceptance of homosexuality. Just like good global citizens.

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Apparently the person banned is a frequent attender of the games who is also mentally handicapped. The person reportedly approached the Duke players after the game (it’s unclear if he was doing so with any intent to do anything, the SFH is a small venue) and the Duke girls decided that they recognized his voice and blamed him. And then Tom Holmoe drove the bus over a guy with mental disabilities then later scolded a crowd of innocent people.

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I hope we know the truth soon. They can't find any witnesses other than Duke, and no video footage.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/video-ca ... all-player

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CuriousThinker wrote: August 30th, 2022, 9:16 pm I hope we know the truth soon. They can't find any witnesses other than Duke, and no video footage.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/video-ca ... all-player
The more we find out, the more this reeks of fantasy. Which makes BYU's response even more idiotic and reprehensible than it already is.

From the way these people from Duke are talking, it appears that they are simply creating a story to fit their preconceived biases and stereotypes about what they think people at BYU are like. The language of "closed cultures" is a tip off that we are not dealing in reality.

They act as though BYU has never seen a person with a different skin shade.. It appears that the black Duke players have decided that they are going to be the ones that break through this wall of racism that only exists in their own minds. Very heroic and brave.

What these fools fail to understand is that BYU is probably the most cultured campus in america. Because of church missions, they have a huge number of multiple language speakers and a large percentage of their population that has lived in other countries. They are truly multi-cultural in a way that other campuses only pretend to be.

But since they are mostly white, they must be a bunch of bigots. And if they need to make up something to bring attention to this bigotry that is so carefully hidden, so much the better. The woke have no problem making up fiction to justify their own bigotry. Unfortunately, it appears that our church and school leaders are willing to do the same.

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It never happened, but that won't stop our Dear Leaders from blathering on and on about "racism" in GC in a few weeks.

Full article and video here - https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/r ... e-n1625648

Is the Story About a Duke Volleyball Player Being a Target of Racist Taunts at BYU True?

BY RICK MORAN AUG 31, 2022 12:49 PM ET

You’ve probably read or heard the story about a women’s volleyball game played at BYU in Utah where a black Duke University player alleges that fans hurled racist taunts at her.

Naturally, being good little woke administrators, BYU immediately began investigating the incident. After examining “hours” of footage, the BYU officials concluded that one fan was responsible and banned him from further BYU athletic games.

But almost immediately, the story that Rachel Richardson, the only black starter on the Duke volleyball team, told began to fall apart.

Her first statements about the incident were straightforward. She said she “very distinctly” heard a “very strong and negative racial slur” (one) come from the “student section during Friday’s match while she was serving.”

Now, Richardson claims she was heckled throughout the match.

Rachel Richardson wrote on Twitter that “my fellow African American teammates and I were targeted and racially heckled throughout the entirety of the match,” on Friday against BYU.

“The slurs and comments grew into threats which caused us to feel unsafe,” Richardson wrote. “Both the officials and BYU coaching staff were made aware of the incident during the game, but failed to take the necessary steps to stop the unacceptable behavior and create a safe environment,” she claimed.

In a follow-up video (below) she claimed that it was only during the second set that she first heard a racial slur and then heard it again the second time she served during the second set. She does not mention the slur being used at all during the three times she served during the third set.

Did BYU officials really fail to take the necessary steps “to stop the unacceptable behavior and create a safe environment” as she claimed? The BYU student newspaper, Cougar Chronicle, tells a different story.

The Cougar Chronicle was contacted yesterday by a source inside the BYU athletic department who told a different story. They have asked for their name to be kept private to avoid discipline from BYU athletics. They will be referred to as Connor. Connor explained:

“Ms. Richardson complained of hearing a racial slur during the second set but did not point anyone out. Officials discussed briefly and stationed policemen there… there were no more complaints until after the match.”

Indeed, the video of the match clearly shows a policeman standing next to the BYU student section where the racial slurs supposedly originated.

The video of the match shows that Rachael Richardson served on the ROC (student section) side twice in the game. Both serves were during the fourth set. A police officer can be seen standing by the ROC section monitoring the students as Richardson serves. Richardson did not mention this officer in her statement.

Either BYU students are hard of hearing or they just never heard anyone uttering racial slurs.

The Cougar Chronicle has been unable to find a source in the student section that can corroborate Richardson’s claim of racial slurs being yelled at her. Vera Smith, a BYU student in the student section during the game, said she “heard absolutely nothing” that could be taken as a racial slur. Jacob Hanson, also a BYU student, shared texts with the Cougar Chronicle from two friends in two different parts of the student section that also heard nothing. They said they were not aware there had been a problem until after the game. Maddy Johnson, another BYU student who was in the ROC student section, said she did not hear any racial slur said and when she saw the individual escorted out of the arena he was in a different section. A mother of a BYU student says she personally knows five people who were in the student section during the game “One person was on the court and the others were in the first row” she told the Chronicle. None of them heard a racial slur. Two other people on the court, who wish to remain anonymous, did not hear any racial slurs.

The story gets even weirder. “Connor,” the BYU athletics department source, explains what happened after the game.

“When a mentally challenged fan approached a Duke player. The Duke team then suddenly recognized the handicapped man’s ‘voice’ as the same one shouting slurs. They never saw or pointed out a face, just a voice.

Incredibly, BYU banned this mentally handicapped guy — not for the slurs but because he “interfered with visiting guests.” :!:

Salt Lake Tribune:

Police talked to the man, who’s identified in the report as a Utah Valley University student, and he denied shouting any slurs; he said the only thing he yelled was that the players “shouldn’t hit the ball into the net.” He acknowledged that he did approach the Duke player after the match, thinking she was a friend of his who played for BYU (their uniforms are the same color, the officer noted).

An officer later reviewed footage, according to the report, and wrote: “There was nothing seen on the game film that led me to believe” that the man “was the person who was making comments to the player who complained about being called the N-word.”

“Connor” believes “BYU is an easy target… ultimately it’s her word against ours. We’ll look bad just calling a black woman a liar.” And that’s the bottom line. Racist hoaxes are allowed to exist because of a lack of skepticism from everyone from school authorities to law enforcement. Even when the story is as incredible as this one, no one dares challenge the narrative in order to avoid being labeled a “white supremacist.”

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EmmaLee wrote: August 31st, 2022, 2:55 pm It never happened, but that won't stop our Dear Leaders from blathering on and on about "racism" in GC in a few weeks.

Full article and video here - https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/r ... e-n1625648

Is the Story About a Duke Volleyball Player Being a Target of Racist Taunts at BYU True?

BY RICK MORAN AUG 31, 2022 12:49 PM ET

You’ve probably read or heard the story about a women’s volleyball game played at BYU in Utah where a black Duke University player alleges that fans hurled racist taunts at her.

Naturally, being good little woke administrators, BYU immediately began investigating the incident. After examining “hours” of footage, the BYU officials concluded that one fan was responsible and banned him from further BYU athletic games.

But almost immediately, the story that Rachel Richardson, the only black starter on the Duke volleyball team, told began to fall apart.

Her first statements about the incident were straightforward. She said she “very distinctly” heard a “very strong and negative racial slur” (one) come from the “student section during Friday’s match while she was serving.”

Now, Richardson claims she was heckled throughout the match.

Rachel Richardson wrote on Twitter that “my fellow African American teammates and I were targeted and racially heckled throughout the entirety of the match,” on Friday against BYU.

“The slurs and comments grew into threats which caused us to feel unsafe,” Richardson wrote. “Both the officials and BYU coaching staff were made aware of the incident during the game, but failed to take the necessary steps to stop the unacceptable behavior and create a safe environment,” she claimed.

In a follow-up video (below) she claimed that it was only during the second set that she first heard a racial slur and then heard it again the second time she served during the second set. She does not mention the slur being used at all during the three times she served during the third set.

Did BYU officials really fail to take the necessary steps “to stop the unacceptable behavior and create a safe environment” as she claimed? The BYU student newspaper, Cougar Chronicle, tells a different story.

The Cougar Chronicle was contacted yesterday by a source inside the BYU athletic department who told a different story. They have asked for their name to be kept private to avoid discipline from BYU athletics. They will be referred to as Connor. Connor explained:

“Ms. Richardson complained of hearing a racial slur during the second set but did not point anyone out. Officials discussed briefly and stationed policemen there… there were no more complaints until after the match.”

Indeed, the video of the match clearly shows a policeman standing next to the BYU student section where the racial slurs supposedly originated.

The video of the match shows that Rachael Richardson served on the ROC (student section) side twice in the game. Both serves were during the fourth set. A police officer can be seen standing by the ROC section monitoring the students as Richardson serves. Richardson did not mention this officer in her statement.

Either BYU students are hard of hearing or they just never heard anyone uttering racial slurs.

The Cougar Chronicle has been unable to find a source in the student section that can corroborate Richardson’s claim of racial slurs being yelled at her. Vera Smith, a BYU student in the student section during the game, said she “heard absolutely nothing” that could be taken as a racial slur. Jacob Hanson, also a BYU student, shared texts with the Cougar Chronicle from two friends in two different parts of the student section that also heard nothing. They said they were not aware there had been a problem until after the game. Maddy Johnson, another BYU student who was in the ROC student section, said she did not hear any racial slur said and when she saw the individual escorted out of the arena he was in a different section. A mother of a BYU student says she personally knows five people who were in the student section during the game “One person was on the court and the others were in the first row” she told the Chronicle. None of them heard a racial slur. Two other people on the court, who wish to remain anonymous, did not hear any racial slurs.

The story gets even weirder. “Connor,” the BYU athletics department source, explains what happened after the game.

“When a mentally challenged fan approached a Duke player. The Duke team then suddenly recognized the handicapped man’s ‘voice’ as the same one shouting slurs. They never saw or pointed out a face, just a voice.

Incredibly, BYU banned this mentally handicapped guy — not for the slurs but because he “interfered with visiting guests.” :!:

Salt Lake Tribune:

Police talked to the man, who’s identified in the report as a Utah Valley University student, and he denied shouting any slurs; he said the only thing he yelled was that the players “shouldn’t hit the ball into the net.” He acknowledged that he did approach the Duke player after the match, thinking she was a friend of his who played for BYU (their uniforms are the same color, the officer noted).

An officer later reviewed footage, according to the report, and wrote: “There was nothing seen on the game film that led me to believe” that the man “was the person who was making comments to the player who complained about being called the N-word.”

“Connor” believes “BYU is an easy target… ultimately it’s her word against ours. We’ll look bad just calling a black woman a liar.” And that’s the bottom line. Racist hoaxes are allowed to exist because of a lack of skepticism from everyone from school authorities to law enforcement. Even when the story is as incredible as this one, no one dares challenge the narrative in order to avoid being labeled a “white supremacist.”
Yes, they will talk about racism at GC to virtue signal. So glad I won’t be watching.

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