Is the Davidic Servant preparing to unveil himself?

[EvanLM]

I also worked in the oil industry at times from the 80s to 2010

dang you rich then? plus am i confused in me having been thinking ur actually a wamen? for some reason

I am a woman. . . husband built a chemical feeder leased to oil companies for 3 yerars in the 70s. . .in 2008 a school buddy sought me out and we started a trucking business. . . small business. . .he was great with mechanic-ing trucks and I knew how to get contracts in the oil field. . . . thats when I learned to drive a truck. . .I hired and train drivers on the field work. . . was never a goal of mine to do this but it fell into my lap. . . it was good money

[EvanLM]

-Davidic Servant hasn't been called awake yet.
-Yes he knows who he is, no he has not been marred yet.
-He is almost done bearing the season of patience prescribed to him.
-He won't be setting the current presidency straight in the manner so many on here yearn for as validation of thier own issues and pride.
-He has not presented himself to the brethren. This won't occur until shortly before we prepare for the redemption of Zion. Joseph Smith will make an appearance before this servant, he won't be known to the body of the Priesthood until around the time of the meeting at A-O-A. It will be done in a standard Priesthood fashion, not the drama so many on here attempt to transpose. Smack talking the current keys is a bad idea, if you think this Davidic Servant is going to look kindly on disrespecting the Lord's anointed you have another thing coming. He's aware of the issues but you haven't read much, or understood much about this guy if you think he'll pat you on the back and say well done for disrespecting the Lord's anointed, he'd sooner kill you. Even David of the old testament was rebuked for disrespecting the priesthood of the day with Saul.
-You all need to re-evaluate what roles you ascribe to the DS. At least 30% the references you use aren't him, and are out of context. Gileadi is helpful, but not even close to infallible on his understanding. He is an academic, so he won't leave holes in his understanding and has contorted the occasional square peg to fit the round holes as he doesn't have the information he needs. None of us do. Too much shoe horning going on. Most of those that profess the DS have spent more time reading Gileadi and forums than the scriptures that actually talk about him. Lazy learners and priestcraft abound gentlemen.

The Assyrian is not the anti-Christ. It is the forerunner, and is currently here. This group of Assyrian, is behind the Covid oppression. This is going to get worse, we are going to be leaned into. We are called to not be afraid, follow the keys,, bear the heat,, and await deliverance. You want to speed up deliverance? It won't come from an armed uprising,, or railing accusations from the brethren to the Gadiantions. It will come from standing in Holy Places, being worthy of deliverance, and praying night and day for deliverance. The need for a purge as president Benson said is readily apparent on this forum, just as much as members with issues we all see in the church. We all know only a small percentage will make it. This was always going to happen.
Desolating Sickness gives rise to the Assyrian, then famine and overflowing scourge happen about the same time, both increasing in intensity with time, this clears the church of the slothful who haven't prepared. Those that will not follow the prophet will attempt to fight, and be scattered and defeated. During this time the Assyrian will be given a rod with which to beat us. Then we will be called to live celestial marriage and consecration. Meeting at A-O-A happens around this time. Then Joseph gathers the young men, and the middle aged to go redeem Zion. David goes before them to rain destruction as promised by the Lord to fight the battles of Zion. One of these will be the great earthquake of the 6th seal being opened, this event will wipe Missouri clear of its inhabitants in preparation for the redemption. The body that redeems Zion will come from the mountains, before we leave for redemption an army of lamanites will be called in a day, they will clear the mountains of those not worthy of the Garments they should be wearing. They will join what's left of righteous Ephriam to go and redeem. Once Jackson County is redeemed and NJ begins to be built the Assyrian will be turning his attention to the scattered stakes of Zion in North and South America, while this is happening the devastation from the earthquake and the ongoing issues we already see politically will boil over into D&C 88, civil war and unrest. Those that will not pick up thier swords against thier neighbors will flee to Zion. Once enough is built to sustain the 10 tribes Joseph (probably) but maybe David calls them home. They arrive, temple is built, then Christ makes his second appearance suddenly. The 144k are called and set apart(some are Resurrected persons) they then are sent out. They help those that redeemed Zion to break the yoke of the Assyrian. They then begin to save the unwise virgins in these scattered stakes from oppression. This could be months and potentially years after the redemption begins. The wise will redeem Zion and thier oppression will be short. Around this time the Anti Christ starts really working. They realize they can't take NJ so they turn to trying to kill the Jewish People and the scattered stakes of Zion. This is when most of Daniel, Revelations, ect starts picking up. There is so much more but this is the basic version.

Now back to the current time.. We have already made concessions to the Assyrian, and we will make even more. Think Limhi and Alma the elder. It was so bad they had to submit to the lamanites so much so they were eventually told to not even pray aloud by the prophet. Those that sought to take vengeance unto themselves were destroyed or scattered. Those that survived to go to safety did as the keys commanded and survived. We are called to bear the heat, not take matters into our own hands. The Lord has said he will fight the battles necessary to redeem Zion. David is the arm by which it will happen. So many on here take every gripe they have with the church and transpose what they want unto this David character. I tell you without hesitation, this Servant would look at what is said about him with furious indignation on this forum.
The keys are not here to be judged by blow hards, apostates, and antis on a forum. They make kick and flail and stumble, but never so much as to lead away the righteous of this church. Those that are not righteous are blown about by the wind, the stumblings of the keys are not the cause. Nelson is the prophet, period.

If you want to understand the type as it relates to the redemption of Zion just prior to the construction NJ and the 144k?
Think exodus, then apply this.
Moses- Resurrected Joseph Smith
Angel of the Lord/Destroyer- David
Remnant of Jacob- Those that stood in Holy Places and survived, they obeyed the keys. Kept thier covenants, lived worthy of thier priesthood, and didn't fall away when the scaffolding of the church falls under the Assyrian and the Servants are scattered. The can Hear Him enough to gather in the places appointed. They will be prepared.

David's role evolves after the 144k and he moves on from the America's. The bulk of his job has little to do with the current church pre church of the firstborn beyond facilitating the redemption. He is an earthly king, based out of Old Jerusalem who has little hold on those that have partaken of the New and Everlasting covenant. He has come to establish a new covanant.

My source- the scriptures. Read them. Please.

I agree and support most of what you have written except a few points. I definitely agree that the Servant will be like David of old and sustain the brethren even in their failings. David knew Saul was off the beaten path but sustained him cause he was anointed.

People seem to forget that the Servants mission is for the new dispensation of the 7th seal. This begins at the council at AOA. The Church of the First born era. It’s not his calling to interfere with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints of the current dispensation of the 6th seal, sure there may be some intermingling between the 2 as the transition begins, but one will fade away as the new one rises from its ashes.

Gods house is a house of order!

I guess you're blind to the corruption and apostasy of the church
and you don't read the scriptures.

Why would the Lord's end-time servant sustain MEN that have corrupted His church !
also
This is completely wrong.
" It’s not his calling to interfere with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints of the current dispensation
of the 6th seal."
Also
People seem to forget the servants mission is -
"The Father empowers a latter-day servant to bring forth the words of Christ" ( the sealed portion)
to the church;
and the words of Christ, and the servant will be rejected by the church.
Also
His mission is to gather Israel.

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quotes on this Davidic servant

Davidic Servant (also Branch Prophet, One Mighty and Strong; see also Messiah, Immanuel)
(1) Those who function in the order of the Davidic Servant, making up the quorum of 144,000.
(2) A servant of God who cries repentance to the Lord's latter-day people who have lapsed into apostasy from their destined mission to establish the kingdom of God on the earth.
He will be marred by them and then healed by the Lord in conjunction with a marvelous deliverance of an awakened remnant who will build Zion.
(3) The Davidic Servant will be to the Mormons what Joseph Smith was to Christianity and what Jesus Christ was to the Jews and what Moses was to Paganism -- a quantum leap forward; new wine, unfit for old bottles.
(4) The Davidic Servant is a Messianic role of the Father,
who is one with the Son, who came among the Jews.
-------------------------------------------------
Most importantly, he is to the Mormons what Jesus was to the Jews. He is the second advent of Messiah. He is the one mighty and strong sent to set the house of God in order.

The Mormons are prophesied to mar the Davidic Servant, in a parallel to the Jews' crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The triumphal regeneration or healing following that marring will be on a parallel with the resurrection. And as Jesus' mission was about individual salvation, the Davidic Servant's mission will be about societal salvation; and in conjunction with his healing will come a miraculous deliverance from the governmental beast which will have taken a stranglehold upon the entire earth at that point. A nation will be born in a day. The kingdom of God will be established on earth, no more to be thrown down. It will be Zion, a celestial people and city. It will start small, but will eventually (after the next 1000 years) fill the whole earth. Meanwhile, (as most citizens of the earth following the pending tribulations will be of a terrestrial order, none telestial having made it through the purgings of their own making) this Zion will be the capital of the world government that will reign in righteousness under Christ for 1000 years.

When the Mormons mar the Davidic Servant is when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled. They will have filled the measure of their iniquity, and the kingdom will be taken from them and given back to the house of Israel.
Then is when the 144,000 go forth to bring in as many as will to the church of the firstborn, which is a celestial order.
The world at large will still be very wicked during this time, for the final purgings of the whole earth have not yet happened.
The Jews will not yet be converted.
-----------------------------------------------------------
and as I've posted before -

actually, it's not just those bad Gentiles - those non-members that everyone thinks, that has rejected the gospel.
It's the church itself and it's members that mostly have rejected the gospel,
because it was restored to us, and not the other non-member Gentiles.
and "where much is given, much is required"
And because of our rejecting the fulness of the gospel and have fallen into apostasy,
when the Lord's servant comes to us with the words of Christ (sealed portion)
and we reject them, and him, we will have filled the full measure of our iniquity
and the Lord will take the gospel from us, and give it back to the House of Israel.
hence "the first will be last, and last first"
And when that happens, The Times of the Gentiles will be fulfilled.

Gileadi

So great is this challenge, in fact, that many Gentiles will not accept it.
Instead, they will reject the words of Christ, and be "cut off" as
bitter branches, from His people (3 Nephi 21:11"

We Gentiles, and also the entire World, will have two choices when the Davidic King arrives: we will either
(1) harden our hearts to our own condemnation and destruction; or else
(2) we will repent and prepare to join Zion.
There will be a complete division between the righteous and the wicked in that day."
end quote

3 Nephi 21

11 Therefore it shall come to pass that whosoever will not believe in my words, who am Jesus Christ, which the Father shall cause him to bring forth unto the Gentiles, and shall give unto him power that he shall bring them forth unto the Gentiles, (it shall be done even as Moses said) they shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant.


The Book of Mormon contains less than a hundredth part of Jesus' words to the Nephites. Yet, in the last days, the fullness of Jesus' words comes forth to the Gentiles in accordance with the servant's mission.
The plates of Nephi contain the greater part of what Jesus taught the people.
They, therefore, are among the "other books" to come forth. They "make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world".
They make known also the folly and abominations of the Gentiles.
Prophecies about the Gentiles in the latter days thus show two facets.
Those Gentiles who are under condemnation- which causes the Lord to withhold from them the greater things- will remain under condemnation if they do not repent.
For that reason, the Gentiles must turn from their evil ways.
Those Gentiles who make their calling and election sure, to whom the Lord reveals the greater things, do not, of course, represent all the Gentiles.
In the latter days, the gospel turns first to the Gentiles.
But when many of them reject it, the gospel turns to the Jews and other natural lineages of Israel.

***Moroni saw that many Gentiles would mock the Brother of Jared's vision.
Moroni writes that vision in the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon.
Many Gentiles too, will not believe the great and marvelous work - will not believe the words of Christ.
Of the words of Christ coming forth in the day, the Gentiles will say, "A Bible!, A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible".
The Words of Christ and the Brother of Jared's vision cover the entire history of humanity. In that respect, they resemble the Bible more than the Book of Mormon does. The two full accounts will come forth to the Gentiles- when some Gentiles become sanctified as the Brother of Jared - and turn from the Gentiles to the house of Israel.

From these scriptures , we gain a clearer idea of how so many Gentiles will sin against the gospel of Jesus Christ .
They will disavow the new revelations the Lord will bring forth. Having formerly received the gospel, many Gentiles will now reject it. Instead of repenting of their iniquities, they will harden their hearts and deny the Lord of Hosts. Refusing to come unto Christ and obey his voice, these Gentiles will be as "salt that hath lost its savor".
At the time they reject the gospel, the wicked Gentiles are "lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations". They are "filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations". Being "lifted up in the pride of their eyes", they "put down the power and miracles of God". Publishing for money, they "preach up unto themselves their own wisdom and their own learning, that they may get gain and grind upon the face of the poor".
(3 Nephi 16:10)

These Gentiles have no charity for their fellow beings. They don't thank the Jews nor Lehi's descendants for the scriptures they have received from them. Instead, they curse and hate them and will not recover them. (please see below *** (A) )
The Lord lengthens out his arm to the Gentiles all the day long. But they mar the Lord's servant who brings forth His words.
Their rejecting the Lord's servant and their rejecting the gospel doubly testifies of their apostasy; Nephi, therefore, offers no hope for the Gentiles unless they reconcile themselves to Christ.
Although the Gentiles know God's decrees on this land, many allow secret combinations to get above them. Drunken with iniquity and all manner of abominations, they suffer woes- God's covenant curse.
When they reject his words, the Lord cuts them off from his people.
He removes the fullness of his gospel from among the wicked, giving it to those who will receive it.
With the wicked Gentiles' apostasy and its aftermath, the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
The Lord turns the iniquities of the Gentiles upon their own heads. He comes out in justice against them. The wicked Gentiles bring down the fullness of God's wrath, just as the Jaredites and Nephites did. The Lord visits the Gentiles "with thunder and with earthquake, and with a great noise, and with storm, and with tempest, and with the flame of devouring fire". The sword of justices falls on the wicked Gentiles. He destroys the Gentiles; cities and chariots and executes vengeance and fury upon them.
He covers their land with a desolating sickness. A scourge consumes the wicked.
The unrepentant Gentiles cannot stand before God's power. Lehi's descendants, whom God empowers, marshal themselves and vex the wicked Gentiles.
They go among the Gentiles like a lion among the beasts, treading down and tearing to pieces. Lehi's descendants, who are of the house of Israel, inherit the Gentiles' lands and cities. The Lord reestablishes Lehi's descendants in this land, even as the wicked Gentiles perish.

it would be helpful if you tell us this is your opinion or at least tell us this is how you interpret the scriptures. Also, what is your background for these interpretations? Do you translate? Are you a college grad of a certain school that helped your knowledge? Where does your knowledge of interpretation come? since there aren't many bible scholars that agree with many of your ideas. Isaiah doesn't say the prophets corupt.

Isaiah says they are DUMB and LAZY watchdogs. . . nothing about corruption. . .wherte do you get that prophecy? . . the one about corruption?

[Baurak Ale]

-Davidic Servant hasn't been called awake yet.
-Yes he knows who he is, no he has not been marred yet.
-He is almost done bearing the season of patience prescribed to him.
-He won't be setting the current presidency straight in the manner so many on here yearn for as validation of thier own issues and pride.
-He has not presented himself to the brethren. This won't occur until shortly before we prepare for the redemption of Zion. Joseph Smith will make an appearance before this servant, he won't be known to the body of the Priesthood until around the time of the meeting at A-O-A. It will be done in a standard Priesthood fashion, not the drama so many on here attempt to transpose. Smack talking the current keys is a bad idea, if you think this Davidic Servant is going to look kindly on disrespecting the Lord's anointed you have another thing coming. He's aware of the issues but you haven't read much, or understood much about this guy if you think he'll pat you on the back and say well done for disrespecting the Lord's anointed, he'd sooner kill you. Even David of the old testament was rebuked for disrespecting the priesthood of the day with Saul.
-You all need to re-evaluate what roles you ascribe to the DS. At least 30% the references you use aren't him, and are out of context. Gileadi is helpful, but not even close to infallible on his understanding. He is an academic, so he won't leave holes in his understanding and has contorted the occasional square peg to fit the round holes as he doesn't have the information he needs. None of us do. Too much shoe horning going on. Most of those that profess the DS have spent more time reading Gileadi and forums than the scriptures that actually talk about him. Lazy learners and priestcraft abound gentlemen.

The Assyrian is not the anti-Christ. It is the forerunner, and is currently here. This group of Assyrian, is behind the Covid oppression. This is going to get worse, we are going to be leaned into. We are called to not be afraid, follow the keys,, bear the heat,, and await deliverance. You want to speed up deliverance? It won't come from an armed uprising,, or railing accusations from the brethren to the Gadiantions. It will come from standing in Holy Places, being worthy of deliverance, and praying night and day for deliverance. The need for a purge as president Benson said is readily apparent on this forum, just as much as members with issues we all see in the church. We all know only a small percentage will make it. This was always going to happen.
Desolating Sickness gives rise to the Assyrian, then famine and overflowing scourge happen about the same time, both increasing in intensity with time, this clears the church of the slothful who haven't prepared. Those that will not follow the prophet will attempt to fight, and be scattered and defeated. During this time the Assyrian will be given a rod with which to beat us. Then we will be called to live celestial marriage and consecration. Meeting at A-O-A happens around this time. Then Joseph gathers the young men, and the middle aged to go redeem Zion. David goes before them to rain destruction as promised by the Lord to fight the battles of Zion. One of these will be the great earthquake of the 6th seal being opened, this event will wipe Missouri clear of its inhabitants in preparation for the redemption. The body that redeems Zion will come from the mountains, before we leave for redemption an army of lamanites will be called in a day, they will clear the mountains of those not worthy of the Garments they should be wearing. They will join what's left of righteous Ephriam to go and redeem. Once Jackson County is redeemed and NJ begins to be built the Assyrian will be turning his attention to the scattered stakes of Zion in North and South America, while this is happening the devastation from the earthquake and the ongoing issues we already see politically will boil over into D&C 88, civil war and unrest. Those that will not pick up thier swords against thier neighbors will flee to Zion. Once enough is built to sustain the 10 tribes Joseph (probably) but maybe David calls them home. They arrive, temple is built, then Christ makes his second appearance suddenly. The 144k are called and set apart(some are Resurrected persons) they then are sent out. They help those that redeemed Zion to break the yoke of the Assyrian. They then begin to save the unwise virgins in these scattered stakes from oppression. This could be months and potentially years after the redemption begins. The wise will redeem Zion and thier oppression will be short. Around this time the Anti Christ starts really working. They realize they can't take NJ so they turn to trying to kill the Jewish People and the scattered stakes of Zion. This is when most of Daniel, Revelations, ect starts picking up. There is so much more but this is the basic version.

Now back to the current time.. We have already made concessions to the Assyrian, and we will make even more. Think Limhi and Alma the elder. It was so bad they had to submit to the lamanites so much so they were eventually told to not even pray aloud by the prophet. Those that sought to take vengeance unto themselves were destroyed or scattered. Those that survived to go to safety did as the keys commanded and survived. We are called to bear the heat, not take matters into our own hands. The Lord has said he will fight the battles necessary to redeem Zion. David is the arm by which it will happen. So many on here take every gripe they have with the church and transpose what they want unto this David character. I tell you without hesitation, this Servant would look at what is said about him with furious indignation on this forum.
The keys are not here to be judged by blow hards, apostates, and antis on a forum. They make kick and flail and stumble, but never so much as to lead away the righteous of this church. Those that are not righteous are blown about by the wind, the stumblings of the keys are not the cause. Nelson is the prophet, period.

If you want to understand the type as it relates to the redemption of Zion just prior to the construction NJ and the 144k?
Think exodus, then apply this.
Moses- Resurrected Joseph Smith
Angel of the Lord/Destroyer- David
Remnant of Jacob- Those that stood in Holy Places and survived, they obeyed the keys. Kept thier covenants, lived worthy of thier priesthood, and didn't fall away when the scaffolding of the church falls under the Assyrian and the Servants are scattered. The can Hear Him enough to gather in the places appointed. They will be prepared.

David's role evolves after the 144k and he moves on from the America's. The bulk of his job has little to do with the current church pre church of the firstborn beyond facilitating the redemption. He is an earthly king, based out of Old Jerusalem who has little hold on those that have partaken of the New and Everlasting covenant. He has come to establish a new covanant.

My source- the scriptures. Read them. Please.

I agree and support most of what you have written except a few points. I definitely agree that the Servant will be like David of old and sustain the brethren even in their failings. David knew Saul was off the beaten path but sustained him cause he was anointed.

People seem to forget that the Servants mission is for the new dispensation of the 7th seal. This begins at the council at AOA. The Church of the First born era. It’s not his calling to interfere with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints of the current dispensation of the 6th seal, sure there may be some intermingling between the 2 as the transition begins, but one will fade away as the new one rises from its ashes.

Gods house is a house of order!

I guess you're blind to the corruption and apostasy of the church
and you don't read the scriptures.

Why would the Lord's end-time servant sustain MEN that have corrupted His church !
also
This is completely wrong.
" It’s not his calling to interfere with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints of the current dispensation
of the 6th seal."
Also
People seem to forget the servants mission is -
"The Father empowers a latter-day servant to bring forth the words of Christ" ( the sealed portion)
to the church;
and the words of Christ, and the servant will be rejected by the church.
Also
His mission is to gather Israel.

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quotes on this Davidic servant

Davidic Servant (also Branch Prophet, One Mighty and Strong; see also Messiah, Immanuel)
(1) Those who function in the order of the Davidic Servant, making up the quorum of 144,000.
(2) A servant of God who cries repentance to the Lord's latter-day people who have lapsed into apostasy from their destined mission to establish the kingdom of God on the earth.
He will be marred by them and then healed by the Lord in conjunction with a marvelous deliverance of an awakened remnant who will build Zion.
(3) The Davidic Servant will be to the Mormons what Joseph Smith was to Christianity and what Jesus Christ was to the Jews and what Moses was to Paganism -- a quantum leap forward; new wine, unfit for old bottles.
(4) The Davidic Servant is a Messianic role of the Father,
who is one with the Son, who came among the Jews.
-------------------------------------------------
Most importantly, he is to the Mormons what Jesus was to the Jews. He is the second advent of Messiah. He is the one mighty and strong sent to set the house of God in order.

The Mormons are prophesied to mar the Davidic Servant, in a parallel to the Jews' crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The triumphal regeneration or healing following that marring will be on a parallel with the resurrection. And as Jesus' mission was about individual salvation, the Davidic Servant's mission will be about societal salvation; and in conjunction with his healing will come a miraculous deliverance from the governmental beast which will have taken a stranglehold upon the entire earth at that point. A nation will be born in a day. The kingdom of God will be established on earth, no more to be thrown down. It will be Zion, a celestial people and city. It will start small, but will eventually (after the next 1000 years) fill the whole earth. Meanwhile, (as most citizens of the earth following the pending tribulations will be of a terrestrial order, none telestial having made it through the purgings of their own making) this Zion will be the capital of the world government that will reign in righteousness under Christ for 1000 years.

When the Mormons mar the Davidic Servant is when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled. They will have filled the measure of their iniquity, and the kingdom will be taken from them and given back to the house of Israel.
Then is when the 144,000 go forth to bring in as many as will to the church of the firstborn, which is a celestial order.
The world at large will still be very wicked during this time, for the final purgings of the whole earth have not yet happened.
The Jews will not yet be converted.
-----------------------------------------------------------
and as I've posted before -

actually, it's not just those bad Gentiles - those non-members that everyone thinks, that has rejected the gospel.
It's the church itself and it's members that mostly have rejected the gospel,
because it was restored to us, and not the other non-member Gentiles.
and "where much is given, much is required"
And because of our rejecting the fulness of the gospel and have fallen into apostasy,
when the Lord's servant comes to us with the words of Christ (sealed portion)
and we reject them, and him, we will have filled the full measure of our iniquity
and the Lord will take the gospel from us, and give it back to the House of Israel.
hence "the first will be last, and last first"
And when that happens, The Times of the Gentiles will be fulfilled.

Gileadi

So great is this challenge, in fact, that many Gentiles will not accept it.
Instead, they will reject the words of Christ, and be "cut off" as
bitter branches, from His people (3 Nephi 21:11"

We Gentiles, and also the entire World, will have two choices when the Davidic King arrives: we will either
(1) harden our hearts to our own condemnation and destruction; or else
(2) we will repent and prepare to join Zion.
There will be a complete division between the righteous and the wicked in that day."
end quote

3 Nephi 21

11 Therefore it shall come to pass that whosoever will not believe in my words, who am Jesus Christ, which the Father shall cause him to bring forth unto the Gentiles, and shall give unto him power that he shall bring them forth unto the Gentiles, (it shall be done even as Moses said) they shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant.


The Book of Mormon contains less than a hundredth part of Jesus' words to the Nephites. Yet, in the last days, the fullness of Jesus' words comes forth to the Gentiles in accordance with the servant's mission.
The plates of Nephi contain the greater part of what Jesus taught the people.
They, therefore, are among the "other books" to come forth. They "make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world".
They make known also the folly and abominations of the Gentiles.
Prophecies about the Gentiles in the latter days thus show two facets.
Those Gentiles who are under condemnation- which causes the Lord to withhold from them the greater things- will remain under condemnation if they do not repent.
For that reason, the Gentiles must turn from their evil ways.
Those Gentiles who make their calling and election sure, to whom the Lord reveals the greater things, do not, of course, represent all the Gentiles.
In the latter days, the gospel turns first to the Gentiles.
But when many of them reject it, the gospel turns to the Jews and other natural lineages of Israel.

***Moroni saw that many Gentiles would mock the Brother of Jared's vision.
Moroni writes that vision in the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon.
Many Gentiles too, will not believe the great and marvelous work - will not believe the words of Christ.
Of the words of Christ coming forth in the day, the Gentiles will say, "A Bible!, A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible".
The Words of Christ and the Brother of Jared's vision cover the entire history of humanity. In that respect, they resemble the Bible more than the Book of Mormon does. The two full accounts will come forth to the Gentiles- when some Gentiles become sanctified as the Brother of Jared - and turn from the Gentiles to the house of Israel.

From these scriptures , we gain a clearer idea of how so many Gentiles will sin against the gospel of Jesus Christ .
They will disavow the new revelations the Lord will bring forth. Having formerly received the gospel, many Gentiles will now reject it. Instead of repenting of their iniquities, they will harden their hearts and deny the Lord of Hosts. Refusing to come unto Christ and obey his voice, these Gentiles will be as "salt that hath lost its savor".
At the time they reject the gospel, the wicked Gentiles are "lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations". They are "filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations". Being "lifted up in the pride of their eyes", they "put down the power and miracles of God". Publishing for money, they "preach up unto themselves their own wisdom and their own learning, that they may get gain and grind upon the face of the poor".
(3 Nephi 16:10)

These Gentiles have no charity for their fellow beings. They don't thank the Jews nor Lehi's descendants for the scriptures they have received from them. Instead, they curse and hate them and will not recover them. (please see below *** (A) )
The Lord lengthens out his arm to the Gentiles all the day long. But they mar the Lord's servant who brings forth His words.
Their rejecting the Lord's servant and their rejecting the gospel doubly testifies of their apostasy; Nephi, therefore, offers no hope for the Gentiles unless they reconcile themselves to Christ.
Although the Gentiles know God's decrees on this land, many allow secret combinations to get above them. Drunken with iniquity and all manner of abominations, they suffer woes- God's covenant curse.
When they reject his words, the Lord cuts them off from his people.
He removes the fullness of his gospel from among the wicked, giving it to those who will receive it.
With the wicked Gentiles' apostasy and its aftermath, the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
The Lord turns the iniquities of the Gentiles upon their own heads. He comes out in justice against them. The wicked Gentiles bring down the fullness of God's wrath, just as the Jaredites and Nephites did. The Lord visits the Gentiles "with thunder and with earthquake, and with a great noise, and with storm, and with tempest, and with the flame of devouring fire". The sword of justices falls on the wicked Gentiles. He destroys the Gentiles; cities and chariots and executes vengeance and fury upon them.
He covers their land with a desolating sickness. A scourge consumes the wicked.
The unrepentant Gentiles cannot stand before God's power. Lehi's descendants, whom God empowers, marshal themselves and vex the wicked Gentiles.
They go among the Gentiles like a lion among the beasts, treading down and tearing to pieces. Lehi's descendants, who are of the house of Israel, inherit the Gentiles' lands and cities. The Lord reestablishes Lehi's descendants in this land, even as the wicked Gentiles perish.

it would be helpful if you tell us this is your opinion or at least tell us this is how you interpret the scriptures. Also, what is your background for these interpretations? Do you translate? Are you a college grad of a certain school that helped your knowledge? Where does your knowledge of interpretation come? since there aren't many bible scholars that agree with many of your ideas. Isaiah doesn't say the prophets corupt.

Isaiah says they are DUMB and LAZY watchdogs. . . nothing about corruption. . .wherte do you get that prophecy? . . the one about corruption?

Supposedly SPIRIT is done with the forum as of a couple days ago. But I can answer your questions. He just copies and pastes from Avraham Gileadi’s writings. You can find just about everything he says here: www.isaiahexplained.com

[BYULAWGUY]

is echohawk still alive? can anyone tell me why he went to emeritus status?

He turned 70.

[DJB]

I agree and support most of what you have written except a few points. I definitely agree that the Servant will be like David of old and sustain the brethren even in their failings. David knew Saul was off the beaten path but sustained him cause he was anointed.

People seem to forget that the Servants mission is for the new dispensation of the 7th seal. This begins at the council at AOA. The Church of the First born era. It’s not his calling to interfere with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints of the current dispensation of the 6th seal, sure there may be some intermingling between the 2 as the transition begins, but one will fade away as the new one rises from its ashes.

Gods house is a house of order!

When is AOA in relation to the seventh seal and the half hour of silence?

AOA is the opening of the Seventh and the beginning of the millennium.

The half hour of silence isn’t according to Kolob’s timing, it’s literally just 30 minutes of earth time. Exactly how long the Council at AOA will last. This is why there will be silence in heaven cause most will be on Earth as the new dispensation begins and the time of the gentiles ends.

I must confess I was one to believe what most do concerning the half hour of silence being roughly 21 earth years, or there abouts. I now know differently.

Just my new found understanding after having received much from the Lord. Take it or leave it

30 minutes of Earth time doesn’t equate with a half hour in heaven.

My very basic understanding is that the ASHH begins when the seventh seal opened, and that was in 2010 as per me photo of March 8, that’s been posted plenty times and easily found by searching 38ii.

Silence seems an apt description of things since 2010. That’s when the fab 15 lost the last bit of authenticity that may have been on the serious decline since 1834. March 18th, 2020 was a symbolic trumpet blast, that began a geometric series of earthquakes. Tonga went off about 3 hours after an individual that now resides in sub-forum fifty-seven, posted about Cutting Rahab.

ASHH is a searchable acronym, and my point in making it was to clarify that interpreting it as exactly 20.8 years is folly. Thereabouts is a better description. Was your knowledge acquisition in any way related to the presence or absence of warm-fuzzies?

Moroni spoke of a burning bosom when testing the truth of the BOM, but it mostly doesn’t seem a valid methodology, when compared to timing patterns that form the name of Christ.

You were right, that we should FocusOnChrist.

I agree with the whole earth and Kolob timing thing not quite the same as most think, but nonetheless, I still stand by my belief in AOA being 30 minutes on Earths timing.. More than warm fuzzies.

As for AOA council event being the opening of the seventh seal and beginning of the new dispensation, headed by the newly anointed dispensation head (Holy Ghost/Servant) reign, I have had many sacred experiences with the Lord in the Temple concerning the matter. More than warm fuzzies indeed! Let’s say 2024 will be a wonderful year to celebrate and morn. A new dispensation and the beginning of the tribulations. We are in the time of sorrows at the moment.

These are just my experiences and knowledge for me. I have no authority to be preaching these things from a pulpit, so take it with a grain of salt and rely upon the Spirit, as I’m sure you already do

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on AOA and the seventh seal. I value everyone’s opinions and understandings, yes, even Michael Sherwins

Edit: I believe Tonga volcano was set off by a missile because Tonga wasn’t playing ball with the NWO and announcing they are about to make Bitcoin a legal currency of Tonga. Banksters no likey, and send powerful message…

[kittycat51]

Yes. He just did so recently on this forum

[Mamabear]

“The Savior said, when those tribulations should take place, it should be committed to a man, who should be a witness over the whole world, the keys of knowledge, power, and revelations, should be revealed to a witness who should hold the testimony to the world.
The Scripture is ready to be fulfilled when great wars, famines, pestilence, judgments &c are ready to be poured out on the Inhabitants of the Earth— John saw the angel having the priesthood who should preach the everlasting gospel to all nations. God had an angel, a special messenger-ordained, & prepared for the that purpose in the last days. Woe! Woe! be to that man, or set of men, who lift up their hands against God and his Witness in these last days: for they shall deceive almost the very chosen ones.” Joseph Smith
TPJS p. 364

[ImBored]

“The Savior said, when those tribulations should take place, it should be committed to a man, who should be a witness over the whole world, the keys of knowledge, power, and revelations, should be revealed to a witness who should hold the testimony to the world.
The Scripture is ready to be fulfilled when great wars, famines, pestilence, judgments &c are ready to be poured out on the Inhabitants of the Earth— John saw the angel having the priesthood who should preach the everlasting gospel to all nations. God had an angel, a special messenger-ordained, & prepared for the that purpose in the last days. Woe! Woe! be to that man, or set of men, who lift up their hands against God and his Witness in these last days: for they shall deceive almost the very chosen ones.” Joseph Smith
TPJS p. 364

Did Joseph know at the time that he was talking about himself?

[Mamabear]

“The Savior said, when those tribulations should take place, it should be committed to a man, who should be a witness over the whole world, the keys of knowledge, power, and revelations, should be revealed to a witness who should hold the testimony to the world.
The Scripture is ready to be fulfilled when great wars, famines, pestilence, judgments &c are ready to be poured out on the Inhabitants of the Earth— John saw the angel having the priesthood who should preach the everlasting gospel to all nations. God had an angel, a special messenger-ordained, & prepared for the that purpose in the last days. Woe! Woe! be to that man, or set of men, who lift up their hands against God and his Witness in these last days: for they shall deceive almost the very chosen ones.” Joseph Smith
TPJS p. 364

Did Joseph know at the time that he was talking about himself?

He knew he wasn’t talking about himself.
He is not the angel sent by God to preach the gospel during the tribulations.

“Although David was a King he never did obtain the spirit & power of Elijah and the fulness of the Priesthood; and the priesthood that he received and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage.” Joseph Smith
TPJS p. 339

D&C 77:9
Ezekiel 37:24
Jeremiah 23:5
Hosea 3:4-5

[ImBored]

“The Savior said, when those tribulations should take place, it should be committed to a man, who should be a witness over the whole world, the keys of knowledge, power, and revelations, should be revealed to a witness who should hold the testimony to the world.
The Scripture is ready to be fulfilled when great wars, famines, pestilence, judgments &c are ready to be poured out on the Inhabitants of the Earth— John saw the angel having the priesthood who should preach the everlasting gospel to all nations. God had an angel, a special messenger-ordained, & prepared for the that purpose in the last days. Woe! Woe! be to that man, or set of men, who lift up their hands against God and his Witness in these last days: for they shall deceive almost the very chosen ones.” Joseph Smith
TPJS p. 364

Did Joseph know at the time that he was talking about himself?

He knew he wasn’t talking about himself.
He is not the angel sent by God to preach the gospel during the tribulations.

“Although David was a King he never did obtain the spirit & power of Elijah and the fulness of the Priesthood; and the priesthood that he received and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage.” Joseph Smith
TPJS p. 339

D&C 77:9
Ezekiel 37:24
Jeremiah 23:5
Hosea 3:4-5

Joseph Smith is the Davidic Servant. Ask God.

[Mamabear]

“The Savior said, when those tribulations should take place, it should be committed to a man, who should be a witness over the whole world, the keys of knowledge, power, and revelations, should be revealed to a witness who should hold the testimony to the world.
The Scripture is ready to be fulfilled when great wars, famines, pestilence, judgments &c are ready to be poured out on the Inhabitants of the Earth— John saw the angel having the priesthood who should preach the everlasting gospel to all nations. God had an angel, a special messenger-ordained, & prepared for the that purpose in the last days. Woe! Woe! be to that man, or set of men, who lift up their hands against God and his Witness in these last days: for they shall deceive almost the very chosen ones.” Joseph Smith
TPJS p. 364

Did Joseph know at the time that he was talking about himself?

He knew he wasn’t talking about himself.
He is not the angel sent by God to preach the gospel during the tribulations.

“Although David was a King he never did obtain the spirit & power of Elijah and the fulness of the Priesthood; and the priesthood that he received and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage.” Joseph Smith
TPJS p. 339

D&C 77:9
Ezekiel 37:24
Jeremiah 23:5
Hosea 3:4-5

Joseph Smith is the Davidic Servant. Ask God.

Joseph was a servant but he is not the David. I studied the doctrine and asked Him. I received a different answer.
Cheers.

[Silver Pie]

Silver Pie’s Avatar was that of a beautiful yellow dandelion against a deep green sea of grass.

I took that photo 4 or 5 years ago, I think.

[NummyMilkBottle]

The davidic servant is nothing more than a test and incognito Anti-Christ influence from the devil to distract from the actual prophecies which speak of Jesus Christ. I've time skipped this one. I don't like to use time skip ability but sometimes when its the inevitable....the unflappable....ooo flappable....flappy....you got to do what you need to do paypple

[Luke]

The davidic servant is nothing more than a test and incognito Anti-Christ influence from the devil to distract from the actual prophecies which speak of Jesus Christ.

Why is there so much material showing a distinction between the two?

[EvanLM]

JS was a type of Davidic servant and might have even covenanted with God to be one. He provided for the temporal salvation of the people of the church. That was his biggest concern always . . to provide for TEMPORAL salvation.

hey nummy . . .a davidic servant replaces no one and they are all through the scriptures. They provide for TEMPORAL salvation by teaching the words of God and providing earthly provisions and such. Like Moses even hit a rock for water. and his people expected him to provide food and water for them cuz they recognized that he was a DC under a covenant.

However they cannot provide for eternal salvation as that only comes from Christ.

but you can skip all of this if you want.

time to build Zion . . . a place of understanding

[Nomjik]

Too many people ask questions that have no real answer.
Like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Does it really matter right now??
The servant will appear when he will appear.

[NummyMilkBottle]

JS was a type of Davidic servant and might have even covenanted with God to be one. He provided for the temporal salvation of the people of the church. That was his biggest concern always . . to provide for TEMPORAL salvation.

hey nummy . . .a davidic servant replaces no one and they are all through the scriptures. They provide for TEMPORAL salvation by teaching the words of God and providing earthly provisions and such. Like Moses even hit a rock for water. and his people expected him to provide food and water for them cuz they recognized that he was a DC under a covenant.

However they cannot provide for eternal salvation as that only comes from Christ.

but you can skip all of this if you want.

time to build Zion . . . a place of understanding

Didn't skip reading it. Cool
Edit: Oh darn it I lost my "I'm new" special sticker I liked that one

[Being There]

The davidic servant is nothing more than a test and incognito Anti-Christ influence from the devil to distract from the actual prophecies which speak of Jesus Christ. I've time skipped this one. I don't like to use time skip ability but sometimes when its the inevitable....the unflappable....ooo flappable....flappy....you got to do what you need to do paypple

The davidic servant is nothing more than a test and incognito Anti-Christ influence from the devil

sounds more like that's what you are.

[EvanLM]

Too many people ask questions that have no real answer.
Like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Does it really matter right now??
The servant will appear when he will appear.

yep it matters

[NummyMilkBottle]

[Being There]

“The Savior said, when those tribulations should take place, it should be committed to a man, who should be a witness over the whole world, the keys of knowledge, power, and revelations, should be revealed to a witness who should hold the testimony to the world.
The Scripture is ready to be fulfilled when great wars, famines, pestilence, judgments &c are ready to be poured out on the Inhabitants of the Earth— John saw the angel having the priesthood who should preach the everlasting gospel to all nations. God had an angel, a special messenger-ordained, & prepared for the that purpose in the last days. Woe! Woe! be to that man, or set of men, who lift up their hands against God and his Witness in these last days: for they shall deceive almost the very chosen ones.” Joseph Smith
TPJS p. 364

Did Joseph know at the time that he was talking about himself?

He knew he wasn’t talking about himself.
He is not the angel sent by God to preach the gospel during the tribulations.

“Although David was a King he never did obtain the spirit & power of Elijah and the fulness of the Priesthood; and the priesthood that he received and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage.” Joseph Smith
TPJS p. 339

D&C 77:9
Ezekiel 37:24
Jeremiah 23:5
Hosea 3:4-5

Joseph Smith is the Davidic Servant. Ask God.

another deceived one -
who drank too much of Phil's coolaide.

Joseph Smith was a failed prophet; and a dead one at that - and is NOT COMING BACK.

all these deceived people. SMH
sounds about par though - satan deceiving so many Mormons.

I guess you haven't read this scripture. *****
Or probably, more like you don't even care what the scriptures say,
because, like sooooo many others, you've been brainwashed.


as I've said before.

The DS marred servant - Davidic servant is NOT Christ neither Joseph Smith.

To me, this is ridiculous - thinking that it's Christ.
All one needs to do is read this to see that it cannot be Christ or JS.

*****
3 Nephi 21
10 But behold, the life of my servant shall be in my hand;
therefore they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them.
Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil.

so by reading this - HOW CAN the marred servant - being Christ - be in HIS OWN HAND ?

Also this can't be Joseph Smith either,
because this "servant", "shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him",
Joseph Smith was killed.
lol.

[NummyMilkBottle]

The davidic servant is nothing more than a test and incognito Anti-Christ influence from the devil to distract from the actual prophecies which speak of Jesus Christ. I've time skipped this one. I don't like to use time skip ability but sometimes when its the inevitable....the unflappable....ooo flappable....flappy....you got to do what you need to do paypple

The davidic servant is nothing more than a test and incognito Anti-Christ influence from the devil

sounds more like that's what you are.

On a funny side note, I think someone said it best on here and I take their position on this topic: "Hey Alaris (user on this forum), get in line pal. We are all waiting our turn for our applications to be reviewed ok?Don't be too hasty now. There's plenty of time for each of us to be considered for the role of the davidic servant. Make sure you have your resume etc ready." I refer to it in my own words as the dragonborn because it sounds epic and the davidic servant "scriptures" seem to fit the description of dragonborn.

[darknesstolight]

The gift of discovering structure inside chaos becomes a curse when that structure doesn't really exist. That's one of the flaws of being really intelligent, such a person is uniquely prone to this bias of pattern-finding. No one has a reason to doubt that you really saw all those 57's, as tortured as those discoveries may be. It's your interpretation that those numbers are significant in any scriptural way is what is dubious.

And what's significant about your coming here is this - if you really were the supra-angelic forerunner of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, why is your ministry confined to a largely obscure internet forum filled with (largely) disaffected Latter-Day Saints, itself a relatively obscure religion in the history of the world? Why do you spend so much time attempting to cultivate a following through arguing against the prophet (JS) and scripture (BoM) that most here still hold to be foundational? Why don't you evangelize at all on your other internet haunt, TalkChess.com?

The behavior is so divorced from what any Elias figure should be that we can't help but be skeptical. I suppose that at least you aren't as brash about it as BurningSword was about being Jesus, but then again, if you were so brash you'd have been banned ages ago.

And just to clarify, even if you won't openly claim it, BeNotDeceived is definitely your first, or at least most vocal, disciple.

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. 7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

...

[BeNotDeceived]

Too many people ask questions that have no real answer.
Like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Does it really matter right now??
The servant will appear when he will appear.

How will you know when he doth appear.

[HereWeGo]

Too many people ask questions that have no real answer.
Like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Does it really matter right now??
The servant will appear when he will appear.

What if he is already here? How can we find him?