Why promote ivermectin (or any drug) for a 'pandemic' you know to be fake?

[~ternal-tummim]

At this stage of the game, my interest is to understand better just why virologist and epidemiologists, etc., think there really are entities going by the label of SARS-CoV.

Not all of them do! Only the ones who are in on the hoax!!

The few who are not in on it explain, in very simple, strong, and (as far as I can tell!) irrefutable terms why all the fake-oes claiming it’s real are full of bologna. My boy Wolfgang Wodarg, for instance.

Just watch Wolfgang’s video from back in March or Feb 2020 and then tell me what he’s wrong about.... if you can.

[larsenb]

. . . . I, and probably the majority of your readers have a tough time with the insults and personal attacks and name calling, surrounding your "points". That's my point.

Excellent! Thank you, Lars, for your feedback.

I agree with your point, in broad strokes. And so I will make no counterpoints contradicting it.

Do you, Lars, agree with my assertion that Kerverd is a total lie, a rebranding of the flu? Or do you disagree with that? If’n you disagree, do you have any logical reasoning to offer us which would suggest your view is in any way true?

You'll have to enlighten me on the meaning of Kerverd. For a response to "biological reasoning", refer to my last post.

[~ternal-tummim]

. . . . I, and probably the majority of your readers have a tough time with the insults and personal attacks and name calling, surrounding your "points". That's my point.

Excellent! Thank you, Lars, for your feedback.

I agree with your point, in broad strokes. And so I will make no counterpoints contradicting it.

Do you, Lars, agree with my assertion that Kerverd is a total lie, a rebranding of the flu? Or do you disagree with that? If’n you disagree, do you have any logical reasoning to offer us which would suggest your view is in any way true?

You'll have to enlighten me on the meaning of Kerverd. For a response to "biological reasoning", refer to my last post.

That post’s reasoning appeared, to me, to amount to “these people said so.” That is, of course, a logical fallacy called “Appeal to Authority,” as I’m sure you’re aware.

[larsenb]

At this stage of the game, my interest is to understand better just why virologist and epidemiologists, etc., think there really are entities going by the label of SARS-CoV.

Not all of them do! Only the ones who are in on the hoax!!

The few who are not in on it explain, in very simple, strong, and (as far as I can tell!) irrefutable terms why all the fake-oes claiming it’s real are full of bologna. My boy Wolfgang Wodarg, for instance.

Just watch Wolfgang’s video from back in March or Feb 2020 and then tell me what he’s wrong about.... if you can.

Your "Not all of them do! Only the ones who are in on the hoax!!" is circular and assumptive reasoning. Tough to respond to assertions couched this way.

And regarding Wodarq, why don't you synposize his claims.

[InfoWarrior82]

All I know is that the PCR tests are fraudulent. Never used before 2020 to diagnose illness.
The amplification cycle is the tool used to keep this fake pandemic going with case numbers etc.

Want to end this whole charade tomorrow? Show the world how PCR tests are fraudulent. Bada bing Bada boom.

[larsenb]

You'll have to enlighten me on the meaning of Kerverd. For a response to "biological reasoning", refer to my last post.

That post’s reasoning appeared, to me, to amount to “these people said so.” That is, of course, a logical fallacy called “Appeal to Authority,” as I’m sure you’re aware.

You're missing my whole point, but I'll reiterate. I'm interested to have explicated just why those virologists, epidemiologist, and molecular biologists, etc., claim there really are viral entities called SARS-CoV. Dr. Martin has already pointed out patents covering the development of these entities, and their spike proteins. Dr. Montagnier, independently claims they are manufactured and further avers that he can 'see' a portion of the HIV virus CRISPRed into the SARS-CoV viral entity.

Montagnier, as I recall, was going off an SEM image. The others, I'm not sure of their technique.

[~ternal-tummim]

Your "Not all of them do! Only the ones who are in on the hoax!!" is circular and assumptive reasoning. Tough to respond to assertions couched this way.

It’s not “circular;” I don’t see how it could be considered “circular.” Now “unexplained,” that would be fair enough.

So, to explain and substantiate: all major virology labs in the world, so far as I am aware, have over the course of the last two decades been major beneficiaries of the largesse of one Bill “I AM the Virus” Gates, famous shirt model and viral internet video sensation.

So all virologists are, for all intents and purposes, employees of said Bill Gates. Who appears — inexplicably — to be in charge of this hoax. Some might allege this could lead to bias.

Also the whole logic of the current situation coerces everyone in the system to be biased. It’s the same situation you find with Glareble Wearming, where you obviously cannot find any currently-employed “climatologist” who would be willing to speak up against the obvious hoax, for what are very obvious reasons. This dynamic is why you only see old retired/fired/resigned virologists and epidemiologists speaking out against the hoax, trying haply to expose it.

[larsenb]

Your "Not all of them do! Only the ones who are in on the hoax!!" is circular and assumptive reasoning. Tough to respond to assertions couched this way.

It’s not “circular;” I don’t see how it could be considered “circular.” Now “unexplained,” that would be fair enough.

So, to explain and substantiate: all major virology labs in the world, so far as I am aware, have over the course of the last two decades been major beneficiaries of the largesse of one Bill “I AM the Virus” Gates, famous shirt model and viral internet video sensation.

So all virologists are, for all intents and purposes, employees of said Bill Gates. Who appears — inexplicably — to be in charge of this hoax. Some might allege this could lead to bias.

Also the whole logic of the current situation coerces everyone in the system to be biased. It’s the same situation you find with Glareble Wearming, where you obviously cannot find any currently-employed “climatologist” who would be willing to speak up against the obvious hoax, for what are very obvious reasons. This dynamic is why you only see old retired/fired/resigned virologists and epidemiologists speaking out against the hoax, trying haply to expose it.

OK, presumptive and assumptive and too black-and-white. I personally have no doubt that there are many, many scientists in these categories, who are not under the thumb of the Gates foundation, Dr. McCullough being only one of them, who believe there is direct evidence for there being real viral entities that they place under the SARS-CoV umbrella.

Just a difference of opinion.

[NeveR]

Bio weapon via a spike protein pure and simple. For sure whatever it is it has caused great problems with many people's taste and smell. Whatever kind of "flu" it is, my taste and smell has never been the same.
A new study estimates that up to 1.6 million Americans have experienced covid-related smell loss for longer than six months, with little chance of recovery
https://gizmodo.com/over-a-million-amer ... 1848082265

Why do you believe this story? The media are pushing out fear porn about 'COVID' every single day. 99.9% of it pure lies.

And I'll ask again.

If the 'virus' hasn't been isolated and CAN'T be tested for, and if the symptoms are exactly the same as a whole cluster of cold and flu viruses, and if there's no excess mortality, what evidence is there that 'COVID' exists?

Don't you see? They just made up a name and created a fake test. Then released a whole slew of official and unofficial origin stories, and BAM - a 'pandemic'.

Human hysteria did the rest.

Here is a link to the sequence obtained from an isolate:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MT318827

You can verify the accuracy and consistency amongst every database in the world.

You can test for it. You can sequence it. You can request an isolate to study it here:

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/research/bei- ... repository

If you could recover Wuhan’s database, it would probably be found back in 2015.

I know they claim to have sequenced it - but look at the methodology. They use computer simulation. They guess at most of the gene sequence. They have virtually nothing physical to work with.

It's the worst kind of modern, delusional pseudoscience.

They absolutely can't "test for it". The PCRs are 'testing' for small rna samples that correspond with the 'guessed' rna sequences assumed during the 'isolation' process.

At absolute best these tests can tell you that you MAY have some viral rna in your body. At worst the 'test' is reacting to some random junk in your body.

But even best case it can't tell you whether this rna sequence it found belongs to 'SARSCOV2' because the rna sequence itself is only assumed to belong to that virus.

It's like identifying the existence of a secret new make of car by analyzing some paint from a different car you just kinda guess will be similar. Sure you will subsequently 'find' a ton of evidence the new car exists - but that's because you created a test for it that actually just looks for some common paint already in wide use.

Every time the PCR 'finds' some of the rna sequence that has been assumed to belong to SARSCOV2 it will alert a new 'case'. But that rna is NOT unique to SARSCOV2 and might not even belong to it at all.

It's a sleight of hand scam. A pea and thimble trick designed to give the impression of continuity when there is none.

The lateral flow test is even less accurate or meaningful and can be triggered by almost anything.

The antibody test is not looking for specific reactions to a single virus.

No one who 'tests positive' for SARSCOV2' has actually been shown to have such a virus in them. This is the heart of the scam.

It follows then that any deaths associated with those positive tests and any 'cures' claimed for those 'testing positive' are also devoid of reality and meaning.

[cab]

The pandemic is not real. Covid is real. Ivermectin destroys it. People were dying even before they were dying of the shot. They were not dying from an imaginary NeveR affliction. Call it what you want. Ivermectin both prevents and cures it.

Sorry, but you have half bought the propaganda and made it even more contradictory and meaningless.

If COVID is real and killing measurable numbers of people all around the world then the pandemic is real - because that's what a 'pandemic' is - a new pathogen killing people globally at a high rate.

Let me ask you a question - given there are ZERO real tests for 'COVID' - how do you know anyone has ever had it?

You obviously don’t work in a hospital.
There is a bad bad thing that’s been going around for 18 months.

I work in an ER and personally treated many people who are flatlined from this thing. I assure you this is no imaginary illness…

Of course there’s a conspiracy afoot. Of course it didn’t justify the response. But by calling this entire illness a hoax you seriously hurt your cause and credibility.

FAAAAAKE!

HOOOOOAX!

Mr. Hospital Dweller, let me remind you of some inconvenient and buried truth:

Back at the start of this retard hoax, we did a movement called “film your hospital.” You remember this? Ya know what we found? Empty parking lot after empty, empty parking lot. We went in to hospitals following breathless news reports about how “ambulances are lined up waiting for hours,” all around the block. What do you think we found? NO AMBULANCES. Totally deserted. Totally quiet. We went in with cameras and walked around in the hospitals where the reporters had stood and panickedly told us of the ongoing bedlam and catastrophe. What did we find? It had all been staged, a movie set essentially. Behind every curtain of these makeshift emergency rooms was... an empty bed. The waiting rooms were empty. The bedlam behind the reporter had all been actors, all fellow news crew. In some cases dummies, as in literally dummies: mannequins, set up in the hospital beds. But then they (with the help of you people) just started arresting anyone trying to film in or around a hospital and so that was the end of that. Cute!

So what we found, to sum it up:

You and your fellow medical practitioners are lying stinking scumbags. Filth, lower than low. Complicit co-conspirators in the biggest most audacious hoax in history, that I know of. Bigger than the Holocaust, bigger than Michael Jackson’s skin color, bigger even than Donutgate and Faceliftgate combined. You people are not to be trusted. You burned all your bridges. And now you’re here on this forum explicitly telling us that oh yes, yes, trust me, the Kerverd is real. All the hospitals are overcrowded like crazies. Have been for the past 21 months. I Pinky promise.

Some of us are not retards. Some of us are not morons. Some of us have eyes. How about you tell us what hospital you are at and we’ll come and audit all your records. We'll check all your death logs and attendance sheets. And we’ll see how many of this alleged Kerverd body count is real and how much is yet another shameless lie.

Oh yeah because I work at a hospital and I’ve seen people die from this I am in on the scam…
You are an idiot.

[nightowl]

I been seeing this more and more. People in the "conspiracy" circles that all agree that this is a scam and a way to take our freedoms.
But will start arguing of wheter it is real or not. I don't think it matters.
what matters is our freedoms are going to be taken away. They will have more deaths from side effects from the "vaccine". which will be used to push more to get it. I could care less if people think it is real or fake at this point. Just don't take the vaccine.
My cousin who is elderly and has kidney issues. had to go into the hospital. She had to sit in the waiting room all day before she got a bed in the hallway. She arrived at 10am then around 3am she got a room. The hospital didn't look busy . The waiting room did. I got to wondering if they are having staff shortages and are not using all rooms available. I have no clue. but didn't seem right to me.

I was talking to another cousin about the above circumstance. She said "SEE they are to busy from covid patients" . I told her no that doesn't prove a thing. If you want a true litmus of how the "pandemic" is going. Don't consult the media or even base it on a hospital experience.
Call your local funeral home. Ask them how busy they are . The media and hospitals will fudge and cover up. But a funeral home will be a better test. I mean if we are in a true pandemic. the funeral homes in busy areas would have a waiting list. The crematoriums would be running all day and night etc.
Also can check here! (Edit for your city) I put in salt lake as an example:
https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/local ... obituaries

Its amazing how if you didn't turn on the news especially in my area. People around here have quit wearing masks and social distancing a long time ago.
The shopping and restaurants are all packed. You wouldn't know a "pandemic" is occurring.

[notjamesbond003.5]

I think the premise that COVID-19 doesn’t exist is folly.
It does exist, it was created in a lab in either the States and shipped to Wuhan and released or created solely in Wuhan and then released.
Were it not so: the Chinese wouldn’t have killed the Chinese researchers that came out and said it was a man-made Frankenstein Virus.

I also think nefarious agents thru out the world have released it and it’s variants into certain segments, including LDS communities to convince those weak minded souls to get the jab like Dr Compromised Rusty Nelson insists they do.

Stepping back and looking at the choices and knowing that taking the jab is stupid, I instead elect to take daily:

Quercetin
NAC
VITA B, C D3 K2

Weekly:
Ivermectin

On occasion to deal with some of the more inane posts and other matters that exist in my personal sphere:

One medium sized glass of Pinot Grigio.

Haven’t had the any type of flu in the last 24 months.

Sadly my beautiful little militant left leaning spouse came down w COVID-19 months after receiving both Pfizer vaccinations.
She’s recovered in 3-4 days and is now excited for her upcoming booster: after I encouraged her not to, citing that she’s now probably immune. Her inner Facui vehemently disagrees.

We carry on.

Njb

[Reluctant Watchman]

Things are just getting silly now:

"An elderly COVID-19 patient has recovered after a court order allowed him to be treated with ivermectin, despite objections from the hospital in which he was staying, according to the family’s attorney

After an Illinois hospital insisted on administering expensive remdesivir to the patient and the treatment failed, his life was saved after a court ordered that an outside medical doctor be allowed to use the inexpensive ivermectin to treat him, over the hospital’s strenuous objections."

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/dyin ... ivermectin

[Toto]

Good news is that we're seeing that ivermectin actually cures other illnesses. On a personal level we've seen it cure colds, upper respiratory infections and some other seemingly viral infections. It's great stuff and it should be common in every household - THIS is what the pharmacrats don't want you to see or know.

Remember, "COVID" is just a coronavirus. We've been dealing with them forever and COVID is really a non-event, just the invisible enemy that empowers the world bankers/financiers to create a new transactional system to replace monetary currency.

I believe you are correct. See this:

Financial Expert Excoriates Vaccine Passports and Explains Why Controllers Are Targeting Children

THEY NEED YOUR CHILDREN TO VACCINATED IN ORDER TO INSTALL A GLOBAL SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/buPcp64UMFDX/

[The Red Pill]

Things are just getting silly now:

"An elderly COVID-19 patient has recovered after a court order allowed him to be treated with ivermectin, despite objections from the hospital in which he was staying, according to the family’s attorney

After an Illinois hospital insisted on administering expensive remdesivir to the patient and the treatment failed, his life was saved after a court ordered that an outside medical doctor be allowed to use the inexpensive ivermectin to treat him, over the hospital’s strenuous objections."

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/dyin ... ivermectin

This happens much more often than people think. The radio personality Kate Dalley shares her story about her battle with the hospital to save her husband's life.

https://www.katedalleyshow.com/show-top ... d-links-2/

Hospitals and doctors are complete whores. They have repeatedly proven they will kill for profit...and when they are totally proven WRONG...do they learn anything....NO.

They go right back to the profitable but deadly CDC protocol.

[~ternal-tummim]

Sorry, but you have half bought the propaganda and made it even more contradictory and meaningless.

If COVID is real and killing measurable numbers of people all around the world then the pandemic is real - because that's what a 'pandemic' is - a new pathogen killing people globally at a high rate.

Let me ask you a question - given there are ZERO real tests for 'COVID' - how do you know anyone has ever had it?

You obviously don’t work in a hospital.
There is a bad bad thing that’s been going around for 18 months.

I work in an ER and personally treated many people who are flatlined from this thing. I assure you this is no imaginary illness…

Of course there’s a conspiracy afoot. Of course it didn’t justify the response. But by calling this entire illness a hoax you seriously hurt your cause and credibility.

FAAAAAKE!

HOOOOOAX!

Mr. Hospital Dweller, let me remind you of some inconvenient and buried truth:

Back at the start of this retard hoax, we did a movement called “film your hospital.” You remember this? Ya know what we found? Empty parking lot after empty, empty parking lot. We went in to hospitals following breathless news reports about how “ambulances are lined up waiting for hours,” all around the block. What do you think we found? NO AMBULANCES. Totally deserted. Totally quiet. We went in with cameras and walked around in the hospitals where the reporters had stood and panickedly told us of the ongoing bedlam and catastrophe. What did we find? It had all been staged, a movie set essentially. Behind every curtain of these makeshift emergency rooms was... an empty bed. The waiting rooms were empty. The bedlam behind the reporter had all been actors, all fellow news crew. In some cases dummies, as in literally dummies: mannequins, set up in the hospital beds. But then they (with the help of you people) just started arresting anyone trying to film in or around a hospital and so that was the end of that. Cute!

So what we found, to sum it up:

You and your fellow medical practitioners are lying stinking scumbags. Filth, lower than low. Complicit co-conspirators in the biggest most audacious hoax in history, that I know of. Bigger than the Holocaust, bigger than Michael Jackson’s skin color, bigger even than Donutgate and Faceliftgate combined. You people are not to be trusted. You burned all your bridges. And now you’re here on this forum explicitly telling us that oh yes, yes, trust me, the Kerverd is real. All the hospitals are overcrowded like crazies. Have been for the past 21 months. I Pinky promise.

Some of us are not retards. Some of us are not morons. Some of us have eyes. How about you tell us what hospital you are at and we’ll come and audit all your records. We'll check all your death logs and attendance sheets. And we’ll see how many of this alleged Kerverd body count is real and how much is yet another shameless lie.

Oh yeah because I work at a hospital and I’ve seen people die from this I am in on the scam…
You are an idiot.

Still waiting for the hospital info!

Vindicate thineself! It’s all true, the pAeRnDeMic is real! So..... PROVE IT!

[~ternal-tummim]

I just have a question that maybe someone here could answer. For those that say Covid isn't real.....I have a sister and a son who have both had Covid.
My son said it took about 6 months for his taste and smell to return and my sister also lost her taste and smell for several months but I'm not aware of a regular flu virus that does that.
How does one explain the loss of taste and smell for several months?

The power of suggestion.

Loss of taste and smell is and has always been a common symptom of the suite of symptoms we call "The Flu" and before that called "The Grip." It used to be on the list of symptoms on WebMD, IIRC.

You start whipping people into a hysteria 24/7 telling them they're going to have XYZ symptoms if the doomvirus hits them, guess what? Many will experience those symptoms! The symptom could be "you will dream about green giraffes" and everyone will suddenly be dreaming about green giraffes!

And that will be proof! I guess? Maybe? NOT!

Taste and smell are complex cognitive functions. They take place largely in the mind. You tell the mind X is supposed to be happening, it will, often, try to make X happen.

Thank you for your response and I can see how the power of suggestion could be a possibility but they lost their taste and smell for several months....nearly 6 months in my son's case which to me would seem to suggest there is more going on than just the power of suggestion.

Why? Why would it seem like that?

You seem to have a low and weak opinion of the power of suggestion. You think maybe it is time-limited for some (unknown) reason?

When all the data coming in is quite in the opposite direction. The mind over body power is real. The placebo effect has gotten so powerful in the last decade that it has become unbelievably difficult to get an effect for your drug trial that exceeds the placebo. Did you know that?

That is Faith. Quantified and proven and documented. That is the power of suggestion. And to be clear: these people are healed. Many, many of these people are healed. Permanently. It’s not, like, a voodoo spell that wears off.

This nonsense about losing smell is a reverse placebo. They believe in the scary Doomvirus, and so the marvelous and capable brain makes it happen and gets er done. No one who doesn’t believe in hokey virus scams loses smell. There ain’t any Amish people losing their smell, I’ll tell you that.

There is no reason it would *ever* come back. It could just be gone forever. Except for the Authoritays have told the peasants that the effect is generally temporary. And so it is.

The power of the mind — the spirit — is an amazing thing. It can heal your ills with sugar pills and it can stop your senses from working due to regular CNN viewership.

[gradles21]

I just have a question that maybe someone here could answer. For those that say Covid isn't real.....I have a sister and a son who have both had Covid.
My son said it took about 6 months for his taste and smell to return and my sister also lost her taste and smell for several months but I'm not aware of a regular flu virus that does that.
How does one explain the loss of taste and smell for several months?

The power of suggestion.

Loss of taste and smell is and has always been a common symptom of the suite of symptoms we call "The Flu" and before that called "The Grip." It used to be on the list of symptoms on WebMD, IIRC.

You start whipping people into a hysteria 24/7 telling them they're going to have XYZ symptoms if the doomvirus hits them, guess what? Many will experience those symptoms! The symptom could be "you will dream about green giraffes" and everyone will suddenly be dreaming about green giraffes!

And that will be proof! I guess? Maybe? NOT!

Taste and smell are complex cognitive functions. They take place largely in the mind. You tell the mind X is supposed to be happening, it will, often, try to make X happen.

Thank you for your response and I can see how the power of suggestion could be a possibility but they lost their taste and smell for several months....nearly 6 months in my son's case which to me would seem to suggest there is more going on than just the power of suggestion.

Why? Why would it seem like that?

You seem to have a low and weak opinion of the power of suggestion. You think maybe it is time-limited for some (unknown) reason?

When all the data coming in is quite in the opposite direction. The mind over body power is real. The placebo effect has gotten so powerful in the last decade that it has become unbelievably difficult to get an effect for your drug trial that exceeds the placebo. Did you know that?

That is Faith. Quantified and proven and documented. That is the power of suggestion. And to be clear: these people are healed. Many, many of these people are healed. Permanently. It’s not, like, a voodoo spell that wears off.

This nonsense about losing smell is a reverse placebo. They believe in the scary Doomvirus, and so the marvelous and capable brain makes it happen and gets er done. No one who doesn’t believe in hokey virus scams loses smell. There ain’t any Amish people losing their smell, I’ll tell you that.

There is no reason it would *ever* come back. It could just be gone forever. Except for the Authoritays have told the peasants that the effect is generally temporary. And so it is.

The power of the mind — the spirit — is an amazing thing. It can heal your ills with sugar pills and it can stop your senses from working due to regular CNN viewership.

I agree with you that it may be the nocebo effect, I've been reading about nocebo for awhile now and it's fascinating how powerful it is. I've read several studies showing that non-celiac gluten intolerance can almost entirely be explained by nocebo, meaning if someone eats a gluten filled meal, but were told it was gluten free, they almost never have reactions. But if they are told they just ate something with gluten, even though it was actually gluten free, they will be on the toilet all night. If the mind can do this to the body with something like gluten intolerance why couldn't it convince your body that you now can't smell or taste anything for awhile because someone told you that you tested positive for covid?