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BeNotDeceived wrote: August 19th, 2021, 6:04 pm
franklinbluth wrote: August 16th, 2021, 12:10 pm Yes, how dare I interrupt the echo chamber with pesky facts.
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I don't understand what you're saying. Can you explain it to me?

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Three vaccinated, US senators report they are positive for covid:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 201110002/

Vaccinated and unvaccinated carry the same viral load:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vacc ... accinated/

In Los Angeles, Breakthrough Infections Are Now 30% Of All New Covid Cases Amid Delta Surge
https://deadline.com/2021/08/los-angele ... 234818477/

Illinois records most deaths in a day since May; breakthrough cases a quarter of week's deaths
https://www.dailyherald.com/news/202108 ... eks-deaths
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franklinbluth wrote: August 19th, 2021, 5:39 pm
Oh sure, it's because of the higher incidence of asymptomatic infection among vaccinated.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2779854
I guess small sample numbers (only 51 vaccinated employees tested positive during the observation), short time frame (December 17 to March 20, so not picking up the dropoff in vaccine efficacy of difference with the Delta variant), and other limitations don't bother you if it's something you agree with.
Limitations include the observational design; short follow-up time; small cohort size, which led to an inability to match the 2 groups and unequal follow-up; differential temporal risk during the surveillance; and that the group choosing not to be vaccinated may have been more prone to higher-risk behavior. The unequal follow-up time and the latter 2 limitations may have biased the results in favor of vaccination.

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Lemarque wrote: August 19th, 2021, 9:06 pm
franklinbluth wrote: August 19th, 2021, 5:39 pm
Oh sure, it's because of the higher incidence of asymptomatic infection among vaccinated.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2779854
I guess small sample numbers (only 51 vaccinated employees tested positive during the observation), short time frame (December 17 to March 20, so not picking up the dropoff in vaccine efficacy of difference with the Delta variant), and other limitations don't bother you if it's something you agree with.
Limitations include the observational design; short follow-up time; small cohort size, which led to an inability to match the 2 groups and unequal follow-up; differential temporal risk during the surveillance; and that the group choosing not to be vaccinated may have been more prone to higher-risk behavior. The unequal follow-up time and the latter 2 limitations may have biased the results in favor of vaccination.
As i said, it's preliminary data. I never said it's the end all be all. I was pretty careful in how I phrased it.

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Sarah wrote: August 19th, 2021, 8:01 pm Three vaccinated, US senators Senators report they are positive for covid:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 201110002/

Vaccinated and unvaccinated carry the same viral load:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vacc ... accinated/

In Los Angeles, Breakthrough Infections Are Now 30% Of All New Covid Cases Amid Delta Surge
https://deadline.com/2021/08/los-angele ... 234818477/

Illinois records most deaths in a day since May; breakthrough cases a quarter of week's deaths
https://www.dailyherald.com/news/202108 ... eks-deaths
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franklinbluth wrote: August 19th, 2021, 6:14 pm
BeNotDeceived wrote: August 19th, 2021, 6:04 pm
franklinbluth wrote: August 16th, 2021, 12:10 pm Yes, how dare I interrupt the echo chamber with pesky facts.
Statement of Fact:
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What say you?
I don't understand what you're saying. Can you explain it to me?
I’ll try me best; basically this was the first in a series of earthquakes related to the Who were you expecting thread in the introductions sub-forum. Take 1 minute and divide the number of minutes between quakes, and you get a rough estimate of the probability of an earthquake occurring in a specific minute, such as the minute that fits the posted pattern.

Some speculate that you’re a troll, but maybe not. Your last few posts seem reasonable to me. Anyway elbur exhibited troll traits, but eventually had to give up in the face of multiple million to 1 odds. You’re right about facts, science and revelations are all ways to learn the truth of all things, if we will but see what is laid before us. Please pardon me irrational exuberance, in the words of? :mrgreen: dbnp

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Break through cases are probably the result from attempting to make the covid vaccines into "self spreading vaccines." According to this article, which states the information came from John Hopkins University...

https://thetattyjournal.org/2021/05/08/ ... -are-real/

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Peeps wrote: August 21st, 2021, 10:12 pm Break through cases are probably the result from attempting to make the covid vaccines into "self spreading vaccines." According to this article, which states the information came from John Hopkins University...

https://thetattyjournal.org/2021/05/08/ ... -are-real/
This is seriously messed up. Haven't they heard about the Nuremberg Trials? There needs to be a reckoning. :x


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Barry Sanders is double vaxxed, but BS tested Pos. :mrgreen: dbnp :mrgreen:

What a piece of shiitake type mushrooms. :lol:

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franklinbluth wrote: August 17th, 2021, 10:04 pm
Lemarque wrote: August 17th, 2021, 9:45 pm
franklinbluth wrote: August 17th, 2021, 9:31 pm
Sarah wrote: August 16th, 2021, 10:00 pm

Yeah, don't you love how they never actually tell you the actual numbers, only what percentage risk one has. It's obvious that they don't want to talk about actual numbers or breakthrough deaths and hospitalizations.
You can always just look them up:
https://coronavirus.utah.gov/case-counts/
I'll use your type of statistics, franklin:

According to the Utah Department of health, over the last 28 days for every 200 fully vaccinated people who have tested positive for covid, 1 has died. In contrast, for every 207.5 unvaccinated people who have tested positive for covid 1 has died. In other words, among current covid cases, those who are fully vaccinated are dying from covid at a higher rate than those who are unvaccinated.
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There are several problems with that takeaway:

1. The total breakthrough deaths is 29. Anytime your sample size is that small relative to the population, it's difficult to draw a significant conclusion.

2. Unless there's reason to think that vaxed folk are doing something else to avoid infection, the important number is the overall death rate, not the lethality rate. In this case, the death rates aren't even close.

3. There's reason to believe that the number of unreported breakthroughs is higher than the number of unreported unvaxed cases. If the vax reduces the symptoms, as the death and hospitalization rates reflect, then we would expect what would otherwise be mild cases to be even less severe, decreasing the likelihood of testing.
In Utah:
-August 17 report (data up to August 16): 29 Breakthrough deaths in Utah
-August 23 report (data up to August 22): 39 Breakthrough deaths in Utah
-10 new additional breakthrough deaths.
-Total reported covid deaths between August 16th and 22nd: 23

Similar thing is happening in Clark County Nevada.
-60 total new deaths reported between Aug 11 and 19
-38 new breakthrough deaths reported over the same time frame. (Aug 11, 49; Aug 19, 87)
Breakthrough Death data here: https://media.southernnevadahealthdistr ... deaths.pdf
https://media.southernnevadahealthdistr ... deaths.pdf

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Lemarque wrote: August 24th, 2021, 11:14 am
In Utah:
-August 17 report (data up to August 16): 29 Breakthrough deaths in Utah
-August 23 report (data up to August 22): 39 Breakthrough deaths in Utah
-10 new additional breakthrough deaths.
-Total reported covid deaths between August 16th and 22nd: 23

Similar thing is happening in Clark County Nevada.
-60 total new deaths reported between Aug 11 and 19
-38 new breakthrough deaths reported over the same time frame. (Aug 11, 49; Aug 19, 87)
Breakthrough Death data here: https://media.southernnevadahealthdistr ... deaths.pdf
https://media.southernnevadahealthdistr ... deaths.pdf
August 26 Update:

Utah now at 48 breakthrough deaths (3 per day since the 23rd). (9 out of 22 new deaths reported)

Clark County now at 104 breakthrough deaths.

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Lemarque wrote: August 26th, 2021, 5:15 pm
Lemarque wrote: August 24th, 2021, 11:14 am
In Utah:
-August 17 report (data up to August 16): 29 Breakthrough deaths in Utah
-August 23 report (data up to August 22): 39 Breakthrough deaths in Utah
-10 new additional breakthrough deaths.
-Total reported covid deaths between August 16th and 22nd: 23

Similar thing is happening in Clark County Nevada.
-60 total new deaths reported between Aug 11 and 19
-38 new breakthrough deaths reported over the same time frame. (Aug 11, 49; Aug 19, 87)
Breakthrough Death data here: https://media.southernnevadahealthdistr ... deaths.pdf
https://media.southernnevadahealthdistr ... deaths.pdf
August 26 Update:

Utah now at 48 breakthrough deaths (3 per day since the 23rd). (9 out of 22 new deaths reported)

Clark County now at 104 breakthrough deaths.
Amazing how they are also one of the states that have the most vaccinated people in it too. Coincidence?

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alurker wrote: August 16th, 2021, 11:55 am
Sarah wrote: August 16th, 2021, 11:53 am It's hard to find articles that talk about breakthrough infections in regards to just the last few weeks of delta, rather than lumping all data together. In this article they talk about how breakthrough infections have increased to over 12% of cases in Delaware, and half of the deaths have been breakthrough cases.

https://whyy.org/articles/del-officials ... harp-rise/
You are on the right track. Keep digging. Look at Israel-the most vaccinated country in the world.
Speaking of Israel, the prophecy of carnage, dead bodies stinking in the street, maybe the jab was the cause. Allowing a foreign country to inoculate your citizens with a toxin is kind of dumb.

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A dear family friend just died of covid. He and his wife shortly after getting the first shot, got covid. Both were admitted to the hospital. He died, and she recovered. He was morbidly over weight, high blood pressure and type 2 diabetic. I’m told and maybe the data was already shared on this thread—is it true that if you get covid having only received 1 vaccination shot you are counted as having contracted covid in the unvaccinated category??

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diligently seeking wrote: August 27th, 2021, 6:42 am A dear family friend just died of covid. He and his wife shortly after getting the first shot, got covid. Both were admitted to the hospital. He died, and she recovered. He was morbidly over weight, high blood pressure and type 2 diabetic. I’m told and maybe the data was already shared on this thread—is it true that if you get covid having only received 1 vaccination shot you are counted as having contracted covid in the unvaccinated category??
Yes.

Did they get any early outpatient treatment? My sister was the same, got covid shortly after her first shot. Ignored the symptoms until she passed out on the kitchen floor. Last year when 10 people in my family got covid, they were turned away by doctors and hospitals saying there was nothing to be done until they turned blue.

This is why so many people go to the hospital and die. The government has actively withheld and suppressed early treatment protocols. They want us dead.

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jpark wrote: August 16th, 2021, 5:09 pm Next they are going to tell us that only those vaxxed with comorbidities are affected ... oh wait those with comorbities are the only people that ever had any risk. SMH
My sister's Non Denominational Bible Church had a vaccine day several months ago. The pastor, assistant pastor, youth pastor, the man who does the media, the music director and all other staff and 85% of the congregants were vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine. Last week they had thier revival. It ended on Wednesday. On Monday her doctor had 15 patients from her church test positive. They were ill enough to seek medical attention. She said everyone including the staff that I listed have tested positive and many are very ill. She said she believes there are at least 50 positive cases in her small church. Today her niece age 32 was admitted to the hospital. Everyone who attended is on quarentinegardless of whether they are ill right now or not.

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diligently seeking wrote: August 27th, 2021, 6:42 am A dear family friend just died of covid. He and his wife shortly after getting the first shot, got covid. Both were admitted to the hospital. He died, and she recovered. He was morbidly over weight, high blood pressure and type 2 diabetic. I’m told and maybe the data was already shared on this thread—is it true that if you get covid having only received 1 vaccination shot you are counted as having contracted covid in the unvaccinated category??
Sorry to hear about your friend. I think saw this story in the news. From what I've heard talking to others and from reading the stats, those who have diabetes are a lot more likely to die from Covid, perhaps more so than any other group.

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Just a side note. My husband was admitted to the hospital last night. He had the vaccine so they did not test him for Covid. He is not sick he has an infection in his lower leg and oral antibiotics are not working.

I found it odd that they are not testing everyone who is admitted, especially when they have a high fever. My husbands temperature was 103.4

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Indy wrote: August 27th, 2021, 1:27 pm Just a side note. My husband was admitted to the hospital last night. He had the vaccine so they did not test him for Covid. He is not sick he has an infection in his lower leg and oral antibiotics are not working.

I found it odd that they are not testing everyone who is admitted, especially when they have a high fever. My husbands temperature was 103.4
Sorry to hear. I hope he recovers quickly!

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Indy wrote: August 27th, 2021, 1:27 pm Just a side note. My husband was admitted to the hospital last night. He had the vaccine so they did not test him for Covid. He is not sick he has an infection in his lower leg and oral antibiotics are not working.

I found it odd that they are not testing everyone who is admitted, especially when they have a high fever. My husbands temperature was 103.4


This is how you know this whole thing is of Satan.

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Sarah wrote: August 27th, 2021, 12:40 pm
diligently seeking wrote: August 27th, 2021, 6:42 am A dear family friend just died of covid. He and his wife shortly after getting the first shot, got covid. Both were admitted to the hospital. He died, and she recovered. He was morbidly over weight, high blood pressure and type 2 diabetic. I’m told and maybe the data was already shared on this thread—is it true that if you get covid having only received 1 vaccination shot you are counted as having contracted covid in the unvaccinated category??
Sorry to hear about your friend. I think saw this story in the news. From what I've heard talking to others and from reading the stats, those who have diabetes are a lot more likely to die from Covid, perhaps more so than any other group.
Thanks for your expressions 🙏. He and his family live in Florida.

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Indy wrote: August 27th, 2021, 1:27 pm Just a side note. My husband was admitted to the hospital last night. He had the vaccine so they did not test him for Covid. He is not sick he has an infection in his lower leg and oral antibiotics are not working.

I found it odd that they are not testing everyone who is admitted, especially when they have a high fever. My husbands temperature was 103.4
I too think it's strange they didn't check, when I've heard other stories of hospitals checking everyone who walks in. But like what was brought up, probably done on purpose to make the breakthrough group to appear less than the unvaccinated group. I hope your husband recovers soon :)

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So, interesting thoughts on break throughs, my brother and his son, just told me they have covid. My son rode up with them to the Unitas 8 days ago hunting (they had to turn around feeling weak that day) 3 hours in same car. Then I spent the last 8 days with my son. Brothers aren't vaxed but my son is. Now the question is, am I more likely to get covid from my son who is either not ill or asymptomatic because he was vaxed? He says no, I say yes, maybe it is unknown?

But, the thing is it is almost a breakthrough condition because he was vaxed but I'm not.

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