First Presidency Urges Saints to Wear Masks and Take the Vaccine

[Vision]

We already have a member of our stake leadership posting on social media that their family will no longer be associating with those that are unvaccinated. That those unvaccinated will not be welcome.

A friend is in the stake presidency in Riverside California. The SP was instructed from SL that the Bishops are to advise people to get vaccinated from the pulpit this Sunday. So the 3 members of the stake presidency call the bishops to deliver the message, first bishop tells my friend "hell no I won't do that".

[TrueFaith]

You posted the percentage of breakthrough deaths in response to a post about effectiveness? I said it's not effective.

It was sold on 99% effectiveness.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/real-wor ... ctive-rate

In reality, it is 42% effective against the Delta variant which is what we are told is spreading right now,.


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vacci ... 57070.html

And new studies show that the Lamda variant may be vaccine-resistant meaning it's likely not effective at all against Lamnda.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/lambda-v ... ce-5195973


Variants are the whole reason why they sold the vaccine.

It doesn't work, it is a failed experiment. Anyone still pushing it is doing so because they based their entire credibility on it.

It was sold as a way to reduce infections, but also as a way to reduce severity. It's doing that.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/health/c ... index.html

No its not. Not a single valid study shows that.

Now answer my question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

No study says that? Do you have a Google machine?

https://news.arizona.edu/story/covid-19 ... rticipants.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm

https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19 ... viral-load

Fake news. Totally invalid, political studies. Try again.

But first answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

[markharr]

Oh yes. What a failure. How could anyone look at these numbers and think the vax is working?

You posted the percentage of breakthrough deaths in response to a post about effectiveness? I said it's not effective.

It was sold on 99% effectiveness.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/real-wor ... ctive-rate

In reality, it is 42% effective against the Delta variant which is what we are told is spreading right now,.


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vacci ... 57070.html

And new studies show that the Lamda variant may be vaccine-resistant meaning it's likely not effective at all against Lamnda.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/lambda-v ... ce-5195973


Variants are the whole reason why they sold the vaccine.

It doesn't work, it is a failed experiment. Anyone still pushing it is doing so because they based their entire credibility on it.

It was sold as a way to reduce infections, but also as a way to reduce severity. It's doing that.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/health/c ... index.html

CNN isn't a credible source. There are thousands of reasons but the most recent is they colluded with the governor of NY to help keep him in office because the governor is the brother of one of their pundits. They are actually blocked on my hosts file under #fakenews so I couldn't view that link if I wanted to.

WHO pushed the vaccine as a way to stop variants.

Anything you post in reply to this (or before it) is just more gaslighting.

I am not taking an ineffective and risky vaccine in order to make you and those who were dumb enough to get it without waiting to see if it actually is 'safe and effective' feel better.

[franklinbluth]

It was sold as a way to reduce infections, but also as a way to reduce severity. It's doing that.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/health/c ... index.html

No its not. Not a single valid study shows that.

Now answer my question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

No study says that? Do you have a Google machine?

https://news.arizona.edu/story/covid-19 ... rticipants.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm

https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19 ... viral-load

Fake news. Totally invalid, political studies. Try again.

But first answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

"No study says that!"
*Is shown lots of studies that say that*
"No, not like that! Those don't count because they don't say what I want! Fake news! Fake news!"

[TrueFaith]

We already have a member of our stake leadership posting on social media that their family will no longer be associating with those that are unvaccinated. That those unvaccinated will not be welcome.

A friend is in the stake presidency in Riverside California. The SP was instructed from SL that the Bishops are to advise people to get vaccinated from the pulpit this Sunday. So the 3 members of the stake presidency call the bishops to deliver the message, first bishop tells my friend "hell no I won't do that".

I'd just laugh at them. All of them. They have no authority to ask this.

[TrueFaith]

No its not. Not a single valid study shows that.

Now answer my question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

No study says that? Do you have a Google machine?

https://news.arizona.edu/story/covid-19 ... rticipants.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm

https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19 ... viral-load

Fake news. Totally invalid, political studies. Try again.

But first answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

"No study says that!"
*Is shown lots of studies that say that*
"No, not like that! Those don't count because they don't say what I want! Fake news! Fake news!"

Fake news. Show me more studies, valid ones this time. Keep trying.

Answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

[franklinbluth]

Oh yes. What a failure. How could anyone look at these numbers and think the vax is working?

You posted the percentage of breakthrough deaths in response to a post about effectiveness? I said it's not effective.

It was sold on 99% effectiveness.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/real-wor ... ctive-rate

In reality, it is 42% effective against the Delta variant which is what we are told is spreading right now,.


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vacci ... 57070.html

And new studies show that the Lamda variant may be vaccine-resistant meaning it's likely not effective at all against Lamnda.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/lambda-v ... ce-5195973


Variants are the whole reason why they sold the vaccine.

It doesn't work, it is a failed experiment. Anyone still pushing it is doing so because they based their entire credibility on it.

It was sold as a way to reduce infections, but also as a way to reduce severity. It's doing that.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/health/c ... index.html

CNN isn't a credible source. There are thousands of reasons but the most recent is they colluded with the governor of NY to help keep him in office because the governor is the brother of one of their pundits. They are actually blocked on my hosts file under #fakenews so I couldn't view that link if I wanted to.

WHO pushed the vaccine as a way to stop variants.

Anything you post in reply to this (or before it) is just more gaslighting.

I am not taking an ineffective and risky vaccine in order to make you and those who were dumb enough to get it without waiting to see if it actually is 'safe and effective' feel better.

It probably does prevent variants. When was the delta variant first discovered?

The link talks about the vax being sold as a way to reduce severity, which is was one of the big selling points.

[nightowl]

This is relevant. To how they actually think.


https://imgur.com/a/9rFDhFC

[franklinbluth]

No study says that? Do you have a Google machine?

https://news.arizona.edu/story/covid-19 ... rticipants.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm

https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19 ... viral-load

Fake news. Totally invalid, political studies. Try again.

But first answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

"No study says that!"
*Is shown lots of studies that say that*
"No, not like that! Those don't count because they don't say what I want! Fake news! Fake news!"

Fake news. Show me more studies, valid ones this time. Keep trying.

Answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

What makes these ones invalid? By the speed of your response, it was obvious you didn't read them.

[TrueFaith]

Fake news. Totally invalid, political studies. Try again.

But first answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

"No study says that!"
*Is shown lots of studies that say that*
"No, not like that! Those don't count because they don't say what I want! Fake news! Fake news!"

Fake news. Show me more studies, valid ones this time. Keep trying.

Answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

What makes these ones invalid? By the speed of your response, it was obvious you didn't read them.

Fake news sources. They are invalid political hack sites. Post more. Real ones this time.

Answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

[TrueFaith]

You posted the percentage of breakthrough deaths in response to a post about effectiveness? I said it's not effective.

It was sold on 99% effectiveness.
https://www.fox13news.com/news/real-wor ... ctive-rate

In reality, it is 42% effective against the Delta variant which is what we are told is spreading right now,.


https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vacci ... 57070.html

And new studies show that the Lamda variant may be vaccine-resistant meaning it's likely not effective at all against Lamnda.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/lambda-v ... ce-5195973


Variants are the whole reason why they sold the vaccine.

It doesn't work, it is a failed experiment. Anyone still pushing it is doing so because they based their entire credibility on it.

It was sold as a way to reduce infections, but also as a way to reduce severity. It's doing that.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/22/health/c ... index.html

CNN isn't a credible source. There are thousands of reasons but the most recent is they colluded with the governor of NY to help keep him in office because the governor is the brother of one of their pundits. They are actually blocked on my hosts file under #fakenews so I couldn't view that link if I wanted to.

WHO pushed the vaccine as a way to stop variants.

Anything you post in reply to this (or before it) is just more gaslighting.

I am not taking an ineffective and risky vaccine in order to make you and those who were dumb enough to get it without waiting to see if it actually is 'safe and effective' feel better.

It probably does prevent variants. When was the delta variant first discovered?

The link talks about the vax being sold as a way to reduce severity, which is was one of the big selling points.

Your links are fake news. Nobody believes them. Try real doctors.

[TrueFaith]

[TrueFaith]

https://gab.com/scum123/posts/106674485246388808

[markharr]

It probably does prevent variants. When was the delta variant first discovered?

The link talks about the vax being sold as a way to reduce severity, which is was one of the big selling points.

I'll take my chances with severity since everything else they advertised about the vaccine has proven to be wrong.

It's too late for you to make that choice but I wouldn't worry about it. Your spike proteins 'probably' won't have any negative long-term health effects.

[Trucker]

FACT:

The FDA has only approved the Covid vaccines for Emergency Use.

Pfizer: https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedn ... 19-vaccine
Moderna: https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedn ... 19-vaccine
J&J https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedn ... 19-vaccine

The church is urging you to take a vaccine that only has Emergency Use authorization.

No matter what you think about it's effectiveness, or hospitalizations, or safety, the FDA has only granted Emergency Use authorization.

I am not saying that the FDA is reliable, or that once it does grant non-emergency use that means it's safe. I am saying that right now the church and everyone else saying to get the vaccine are saying to get emergency use vaccines, and that's a fact.

[Vision]

I am a fairly right wing person. I don't trust government that much and open minded on SOME conspiracy theories but the tone and words in this tread is simply beyond belief. WOW. I have this to say to the anti mask and vax people here. All you are being asked to do is wear a mask for the sake of others. You think you are a ZION people but you know nothing about ZION. Zion is not about maximizing your personal freedom at the expense of others. Zion is about caring for others even if you have to offer some sacrifice. But you will not sacrifice anything. It is all about you. Your freedom and your rights.

You complain about an effective vaccine that actually works. The data supports it. The numbers do not lie. The hospitals are filling up with unvaccinated people. Hardly anyone is going to the hospital with an adverse reaction to the vaccine. Many of you if diagnosed with cancer will take the chemo as treatment even though chemo will do far worse for your body but a vaccine, that is a bridge too far. That is fine however. The COVID virus desires to use your body as a host to replicate. It will inject its mRNA into your cells at a far higher level than the vaccine will. It will reproduce in your body and infect more cells. Some of you will get very sick and occupy a hospital bed. Docs and nurses will care for your completely unaware of the great cause for freedom you accomplished by not wearing a mask or getting the vaccine. Some of you will die but don't expect a grand party on the other side of the veil by your great sacrifice for freedom. Expect great spirits like George Washington to slap you in the face for your pathetic sacrifice for freedom.

One last thing. If you get very sick with COVID, DO NOT ask for a blessing or any help from the Lord. You do not deserve it. You did nothing to contribute to the reduction of the spread of this virus. You cared only of yourselves. You had a way to prevent the bad effects of the virus but you refused out of your selfish desires. Do not go to the hospital if you get sick. Save the hospital beds for those who actually care about their fellow man. You wanted this virus and accept willingly drink the full cup of it. Yes I know I will get a lot of strong comments from this. The good news is for me is that I am vaccinated. So regardless of what your feelings are to me, you have a bad date with Delta or a variant of that in the future. Enjoy your date.

What is so tragic about a corona virus death as compared to any other form of death that it requires a global effort to vaccinate 7 billion people?

Science has proven that virus's that have animal hosts are not preventable in humans so tell my again why a death from corona virus is more tragic than all other forms of death?

[TrueFaith]

Fake news. Totally invalid, political studies. Try again.

But first answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

"No study says that!"
*Is shown lots of studies that say that*
"No, not like that! Those don't count because they don't say what I want! Fake news! Fake news!"

Fake news. Show me more studies, valid ones this time. Keep trying.

Answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

What makes these ones invalid? By the speed of your response, it was obvious you didn't read them.

Where did you go? Get back in here. You need to show us the studies to back up your statements. I thought you had some?

And I'm still waiting for the answer on Washington. Was Small Pox less deadly than Covid? Show me the study proving that to be the case.

[franklinbluth]

"No study says that!"
*Is shown lots of studies that say that*
"No, not like that! Those don't count because they don't say what I want! Fake news! Fake news!"

Fake news. Show me more studies, valid ones this time. Keep trying.

Answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

What makes these ones invalid? By the speed of your response, it was obvious you didn't read them.

Fake news sources. They are invalid political hack sites. Post more. Real ones this time.

Answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

Yes, ASU medical school. The famous fake news site....

I doubt it will make a difference since you didn't even read the last batch, but here are we more studies on breakthrough infections.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2782882

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... tured_home

[TrueFaith]

Fake news. Show me more studies, valid ones this time. Keep trying.

Answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

What makes these ones invalid? By the speed of your response, it was obvious you didn't read them.

Fake news sources. They are invalid political hack sites. Post more. Real ones this time.

Answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

Yes, ASU medical school. The famous fake news site....

I doubt it will make a difference since you didn't even read the last batch, but here are we more studies on breakthrough infections.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2782882

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... tured_home

More fake news and communist university studies. Come on man, we're all waiting for the study.

And you said that Small Pox was far less dangerous than Covid. I want to see your evidence of that.

[franklinbluth]

It probably does prevent variants. When was the delta variant first discovered?

The link talks about the vax being sold as a way to reduce severity, which is was one of the big selling points.

I'll take my chances with severity since everything else they advertised about the vaccine has proven to be wrong.

It's too late for you to make that choice but I wouldn't worry about it. Your spike proteins 'probably' won't have any negative long-term health effects.

But that isn't the argument. You contended that no one could possibly support vaccination in good faith at this point. I'm saying there's plenty of data for people to say it's very beneficial. You're welcome to disagree and come out the other way on the cost benefit analysis.

You know that everyone has lots of spike proteins in their system right now, right? Like, all the time?

[franklinbluth]

What makes these ones invalid? By the speed of your response, it was obvious you didn't read them.

Fake news sources. They are invalid political hack sites. Post more. Real ones this time.

Answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

Yes, ASU medical school. The famous fake news site....

I doubt it will make a difference since you didn't even read the last batch, but here are we more studies on breakthrough infections.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2782882

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... tured_home

More fake news and communist university studies. Come on man, we're all waiting for the study.

And you said that Small Pox was far less dangerous than Covid. I want to see your evidence of that.

Lololololol!

Nice moving the goal posts from "Not one study says that!" to "Sure, there are dozens of studies that say exactly that, but I'm not going to read them!"

Lololol!

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[TrueFaith]

It probably does prevent variants. When was the delta variant first discovered?

The link talks about the vax being sold as a way to reduce severity, which is was one of the big selling points.

I'll take my chances with severity since everything else they advertised about the vaccine has proven to be wrong.

It's too late for you to make that choice but I wouldn't worry about it. Your spike proteins 'probably' won't have any negative long-term health effects.

But that isn't the argument. You contended that no one could possibly support vaccination in good faith at this point. I'm saying there's plenty of data for people to say it's very beneficial. You're welcome to disagree and come out the other way on the cost benefit analysis.

You know that everyone has lots of spike proteins in their system right now, right? Like, all the time?

It is absolutely the argument. You have no data or facts on your side. You've given us zero studies backing up your claims.

And I want to know how and where you can say that Small Pox was less deadly than Covid.

[franklinbluth]

It probably does prevent variants. When was the delta variant first discovered?

The link talks about the vax being sold as a way to reduce severity, which is was one of the big selling points.

I'll take my chances with severity since everything else they advertised about the vaccine has proven to be wrong.

It's too late for you to make that choice but I wouldn't worry about it. Your spike proteins 'probably' won't have any negative long-term health effects.

But that isn't the argument. You contended that no one could possibly support vaccination in good faith at this point. I'm saying there's plenty of data for people to say it's very beneficial. You're welcome to disagree and come out the other way on the cost benefit analysis.

You know that everyone has lots of spike proteins in their system right now, right? Like, all the time?

It is absolutely the argument. You have no data or facts on your side. You've given us zero studies backing up your claims.

And I want to know how and where you can say that Small Pox was less deadly than Covid.

No studies.... except the six you won't read. Besides, that...

[TrueFaith]

Fake news sources. They are invalid political hack sites. Post more. Real ones this time.

Answer the question. Yes or no. Then we'll move onto another question. Was Washington inoculating for a disease more or less deadly than Covid?

Yes, ASU medical school. The famous fake news site....

I doubt it will make a difference since you didn't even read the last batch, but here are we more studies on breakthrough infections.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2782882

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... tured_home

More fake news and communist university studies. Come on man, we're all waiting for the study.

And you said that Small Pox was far less dangerous than Covid. I want to see your evidence of that.

Lololololol!

Nice moving the goal posts from "Not one study says that!" to "Sure, there are dozens of studies that say exactly that, but I'm not going to read them!"

Lololol!

a4f.jpg_large.jpg

Still waiting for a study, ANY valid study proving your lies.

And how can you claim that Small Pox was less deadly than Covid. Please back that statement up.

[TrueFaith]

I'll take my chances with severity since everything else they advertised about the vaccine has proven to be wrong.

It's too late for you to make that choice but I wouldn't worry about it. Your spike proteins 'probably' won't have any negative long-term health effects.

But that isn't the argument. You contended that no one could possibly support vaccination in good faith at this point. I'm saying there's plenty of data for people to say it's very beneficial. You're welcome to disagree and come out the other way on the cost benefit analysis.

You know that everyone has lots of spike proteins in their system right now, right? Like, all the time?

It is absolutely the argument. You have no data or facts on your side. You've given us zero studies backing up your claims.

And I want to know how and where you can say that Small Pox was less deadly than Covid.

No studies.... except the six you won't read. Besides, that...

You've given zero studies. Please link to some.