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Millions Of Texans Freeze As 'Grid Chaos' Sparks Massive Rolling Blackouts
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/g ... kout-begin

The Electric Reliability Council of Texas – Spot Prices
http://www.ercot.com/

Real-Time
http://www.ercot.com/content/cdr/html/2 ... l_time_spp

ERCOT Market Info.
http://www.ercot.com/mktinfo/rtm



Rolling power outages are in effect across the state of Texas as a polar vortex has poured some of the coldest air ever into the central US. There are nearly 2 million Texan customers without power as of Monday morning.

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wonder how Lizzy60 is doin .

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$9 thousand dollars will buy a modest power generating station. It won't run air conditioning, heating, or kitchen stove, but it will run everything else. And you own it. Propane is the answer for cheap heat and refrigeration.

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SPIRIT wrote: February 15th, 2021, 10:37 am wonder how Lizzy60 is doin .
I am doing fine. My son who lives 10 miles away from me has had rolling blackouts, but I am in a more rural area and have not had that yet. I have my thermostat at 60, but we have two small space heaters so hubby and I use those for whatever rooms we are in. Also, we started working from home on Jan 1, so we won’t need to drive anywhere for days.

I feel bad for people who don’t have the resources, the food, the warm clothing, etc, that we have. There are warming shelters opening for people who need them. It’s really brutally cold, and even worse when it’s something almost never experienced where you live.

Thank you for your concern, Spirit. Btw, I am living halfway between Ft Worth and Decatur TX. It is 9 degrees with the windchill at -10. Today and tonight are the coldest days, with a slight warming trend tomorrow, but we won’t get above freezing until Friday.

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Texas Storm: What's Behind the Power Outage? Parler Social Media App Back Online | NTD Business

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looks like the Californians that moved to texas brought the rolling blackouts with them

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Propane is not cheap. You can be okay if you have a large tank and get it filled during nice weather when the price is low. But if you run out and have to buy when the price has gone high ... look out.

My neighbor used to heat with propane, but he was paying $800 a month. So he went to all wood. A $20 permit lets you take 20 cords? Or 10?
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SPIRIT wrote: February 15th, 2021, 3:59 pm Texas Storm: What's Behind the Power Outage? Parler Social Media App Back Online | NTD Business
A lot of ice. Ice tends to do that when it accumulates beyond 1/4 inch and especially beyond 1/2 inch accumulation.

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The Disgusting Reason That Millions of Texans Spent The Night Without Power
https://tnm.me/news/political/the-disgu ... hout-power
Texas has its own electrical grid and plenty of excess power generation capability. Yet, right now, millions of Texans are freezing in the dark. Here’s why.

Texas both produces and consumes more electricity than any other state. Texas’ abundant natural resources, including natural gas, coal, and wind, are readily available to fuel our power plants.

Texas is the only one of the contiguous 48 states with its own stand-alone electricity grid, one of the three main grids in the U.S.: the Eastern Interconnection, Western Interconnection, and Texas Interconnection. The Texas Interconnection, which covers 213 of the 254 Texas counties, is managed by the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT. Portions of Texas near the state’s borders are covered by the eastern and western grids.

Texas produces more electricity than it consumes and maintains a buffer referred to as the “state’s reserve margin.” This margin ensures that we should never have to suffer from rolling blackouts like California.

Then why are so millions of Texans without power right now? Why are we dealing with rolling blackouts?

The answer is all-too-familiar: our relationship with the federal government.

In anticipation of this unprecedented power demand, Texas could have maxed out power generation. However, we couldn’t. Like a lowly beggar, Texas had to first ask for permission from the federal government to generate enough power to keep our people warm. Why? Because cranking up our power plants to full production might violate federal pollution limits.

There is a clear metaphor here. Texans were powerless because our elected officials ceded authority to a slow-moving, uncaring gaggle of federal bureaucrats.

TEXIT means that we never have to ask permission to do what’s best for our people.

When you are contacting your elected officials to demand a vote on TEXIT, remember that there are real consequences to us staying in the union. Right now, someone is suffering because of their indecision or opposition. That someone might be you, your family, or your neighbors.

*** UPDATE *** Click here to download the actual order from the federal Department of Energy which specifies ERCOT’s reasons for asking permission including that “…ERCOT has been alerted that numerous generation units will be unable to operate at full capacity without violating federal air quality or other permit limitations.”

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ajax wrote: February 16th, 2021, 5:15 pm The Disgusting Reason That Millions of Texans Spent The Night Without Power
https://tnm.me/news/political/the-disgu ... hout-power
Texas has its own electrical grid and plenty of excess power generation capability. Yet, right now, millions of Texans are freezing in the dark. Here’s why.

Texas both produces and consumes more electricity than any other state. Texas’ abundant natural resources, including natural gas, coal, and wind, are readily available to fuel our power plants.

Texas is the only one of the contiguous 48 states with its own stand-alone electricity grid, one of the three main grids in the U.S.: the Eastern Interconnection, Western Interconnection, and Texas Interconnection. The Texas Interconnection, which covers 213 of the 254 Texas counties, is managed by the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT. Portions of Texas near the state’s borders are covered by the eastern and western grids.

Texas produces more electricity than it consumes and maintains a buffer referred to as the “state’s reserve margin.” This margin ensures that we should never have to suffer from rolling blackouts like California.

Then why are so millions of Texans without power right now? Why are we dealing with rolling blackouts?

The answer is all-too-familiar: our relationship with the federal government.

In anticipation of this unprecedented power demand, Texas could have maxed out power generation. However, we couldn’t. Like a lowly beggar, Texas had to first ask for permission from the federal government to generate enough power to keep our people warm. Why? Because cranking up our power plants to full production might violate federal pollution limits.

There is a clear metaphor here. Texans were powerless because our elected officials ceded authority to a slow-moving, uncaring gaggle of federal bureaucrats.

TEXIT means that we never have to ask permission to do what’s best for our people.

When you are contacting your elected officials to demand a vote on TEXIT, remember that there are real consequences to us staying in the union. Right now, someone is suffering because of their indecision or opposition. That someone might be you, your family, or your neighbors.

*** UPDATE *** Click here to download the actual order from the federal Department of Energy which specifies ERCOT’s reasons for asking permission including that “…ERCOT has been alerted that numerous generation units will be unable to operate at full capacity without violating federal air quality or other permit limitations.”
Wow. That really sucks...

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David13 wrote: February 15th, 2021, 10:19 pm Propane is not cheap. You can be okay if you have a large tank and get it filled during nice weather when the price is low. But if you run out and have to buy when the price has gone high ... look out.

My neighbor used to heat with propane, but he was paying $800 a month. So he went to all wood. A $20 permit lets you take 20 cords? Or 10?
dc
We have a buried 1000 gallon propane tank, which we fill in the summer time.

We also have a wood stove :)

We live in idaho

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More sleet and snow tonight into tomorrow before the weekend warmup

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Here's a story that popped up on NBC

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/wh ... s-n1258049
The crisis has made the state's energy grid the focus a fresh scrutiny, primarily due to its independence from the rest of the U.S. Critics say that allowed its infrastructure to shirk federal regulations that require cold-weather capabilities.
I'm sure they'll spin this again.

And, if federal regulations has helped California be "protected", then Texas is screwed.

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Two must reads to understand the energy crisis.

Why There Are Rolling Blackouts in Texas During 10 Degree Weather
https://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2 ... n.html?m=1


The truth about the Texas Electricity Crisis
https://industrialprogress.com/the-trut ... nQcdGt5u7g

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Here’s another good one:

So You Want Green Energy Eh?
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241603

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No man (or state) is an island.

Part of the problem here is that Texas, unlike every other state and Canadian Province attempted to go it alone and have its own power grid not connected to any others. While this can keep Texas from being sweapt up in the kind of cascading failures that we sometimes see such as the New York City blackout of 1966 it also means that Texas can not pull electricy from the wider grid in time of local crisis. So while California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada and other western states had power to spare there was no interconnect between them and Texas. Once the Texas grid started to fail there was no way to suppliment its needs from ouside.

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gkearney wrote: February 17th, 2021, 12:13 pm No man (or state) is an island.

Part of the problem here is that Texas, unlike every other state and Canadian Province attempted to go it alone and have its own power grid not connected to any others. While this can keep Texas from being sweapt up in the kind of cascading failures that we sometimes see such as the New York City blackout of 1966 it also means that Texas can not pull electricy from the wider grid in time of local crisis. So while California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada and other western states had power to spare there was no interconnect between them and Texas. Once the Texas grid started to fail there was no way to suppliment its needs from ouside.
They need redundancy (if they don't already have it), not dependency. Help from neighboring grids should be further down the list in redundancies.

Ajax's post above that starts with "The Disgusting Reason That Millions of Texans Spent The Night Without Power" is very interesting and suggests that Texas would have it covered, if they'd just be able to govern themselves.

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4Joshua8 wrote: February 17th, 2021, 12:31 pm
gkearney wrote: February 17th, 2021, 12:13 pm No man (or state) is an island.

Part of the problem here is that Texas, unlike every other state and Canadian Province attempted to go it alone and have its own power grid not connected to any others. While this can keep Texas from being sweapt up in the kind of cascading failures that we sometimes see such as the New York City blackout of 1966 it also means that Texas can not pull electricy from the wider grid in time of local crisis. So while California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada and other western states had power to spare there was no interconnect between them and Texas. Once the Texas grid started to fail there was no way to suppliment its needs from ouside.
They need redundancy (if they don't already have it), not dependency. Dependency should be further down the list in redundancies.

Ajax's post above that starts with "The Disgusting Reason That Millions of Texans Spent The Night Without Power" is very interesting and suggests that Texas would have it covered, if they'd just be able to govern themselves.

While redundancy is great, and I would be surprised if it did not already exist to some degree, it is expensive to implement and takes time to do so. Interconnection to the existing U.S./Canadian grids would be simple and would buy the time needed to develop redundancy.

Maine is an example here, Maine can, most of the time generate enough electricity for it's needs and then some. Hydroelectric dams on the state's major rivers along with wind, some solar and tidal generation on the Bay of Fundy as well as one nuclear generator at Wiscassett keep the state fairly well supplied.

However even Maine with a small population and many years experience in dealing with sever winter weather does not try to "go it alone" rather it is interconnected with the power grids in the rest of New England, Quebec, and Atlantic Canada which give them a cushion against such situation. This interconnection also gives the rest of New England, Quebec and Atlantic Canada the same cushion as well.

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gkearney wrote: February 17th, 2021, 12:42 pm
4Joshua8 wrote: February 17th, 2021, 12:31 pm
gkearney wrote: February 17th, 2021, 12:13 pm No man (or state) is an island.

Part of the problem here is that Texas, unlike every other state and Canadian Province attempted to go it alone and have its own power grid not connected to any others. While this can keep Texas from being sweapt up in the kind of cascading failures that we sometimes see such as the New York City blackout of 1966 it also means that Texas can not pull electricy from the wider grid in time of local crisis. So while California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada and other western states had power to spare there was no interconnect between them and Texas. Once the Texas grid started to fail there was no way to suppliment its needs from ouside.
They need redundancy (if they don't already have it), not dependency. Dependency should be further down the list in redundancies.

Ajax's post above that starts with "The Disgusting Reason That Millions of Texans Spent The Night Without Power" is very interesting and suggests that Texas would have it covered, if they'd just be able to govern themselves.

While redundancy is great, and I would be surprised if it did not already exist to some degree, it is expensive to implement and takes time to do so. Interconnection to the existing U.S./Canadian grids would be simple and would buy the time needed to develop redundancy.

Maine is an example here, Maine can, most of the time generate enough electricity for it's needs and then some. Hydroelectric dams on the state's major rivers along with wind, some solar and tidal generation on the Bay of Fundy as well as one nuclear generator at Wiscassett keep the state fairly well supplied.

However even Maine with a small population and many years experience in dealing with sever winter weather does not try to "go it alone" rather it is interconnected with the power grids in the rest of New England, Quebec, and Atlantic Canada which give them a cushion against such situation. This interconnection also gives the rest of New England, Quebec and Atlantic Canada the same cushion as well.
How much motive do they lose by making dependency their redundancy before making in-state redundancy a reality (if they haven't done so yet, which I assume they haven't to a great-enough degree)?
For me, it's part of the core of American values. We aren't "The" United States, we're "These" United States (or used to be). In other words, each state should be independent and able to exist on its own without help from other states. Trade is fine, but with core needs, states should be self sufficient.

The priority list should go like this:
1. Able to produce own needs.
2. Mitigate through redundancy.
3. Connection with neighbors.

Putting 3 as number 2 may destroy their motive for ever developing number 2 at all, as they'll feel they won't be able to justify it to the people they serve.

I agree, however, that it makes sense as a temporary measure while redundancy is put in place.

I mean, if all states had the same values, that's one thing. But since we're a wicked nation with most people in most states preferring wickedness, it seems like a bad choice to me to make dependency on any other state (or the Federal) a high priority. I view that dependency as a hazard/liability if it isn't being proactively replaced with self-sufficiency and redundancy.

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Leftist worship of climate change gods and subsequent massive investment in grotesque monuments to these UNRELIABLE gods, via endless miles of ugly bird destroying windmills and massive acreage of solar farms amidst increasing population and demand is the culprit of these problems plain and simple.

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4Joshua8 wrote: February 17th, 2021, 1:11 pm
gkearney wrote: February 17th, 2021, 12:42 pm
4Joshua8 wrote: February 17th, 2021, 12:31 pm
gkearney wrote: February 17th, 2021, 12:13 pm No man (or state) is an island.

Part of the problem here is that Texas, unlike every other state and Canadian Province attempted to go it alone and have its own power grid not connected to any others. While this can keep Texas from being sweapt up in the kind of cascading failures that we sometimes see such as the New York City blackout of 1966 it also means that Texas can not pull electricy from the wider grid in time of local crisis. So while California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada and other western states had power to spare there was no interconnect between them and Texas. Once the Texas grid started to fail there was no way to suppliment its needs from ouside.
They need redundancy (if they don't already have it), not dependency. Dependency should be further down the list in redundancies.

Ajax's post above that starts with "The Disgusting Reason That Millions of Texans Spent The Night Without Power" is very interesting and suggests that Texas would have it covered, if they'd just be able to govern themselves.

While redundancy is great, and I would be surprised if it did not already exist to some degree, it is expensive to implement and takes time to do so. Interconnection to the existing U.S./Canadian grids would be simple and would buy the time needed to develop redundancy.

Maine is an example here, Maine can, most of the time generate enough electricity for it's needs and then some. Hydroelectric dams on the state's major rivers along with wind, some solar and tidal generation on the Bay of Fundy as well as one nuclear generator at Wiscassett keep the state fairly well supplied.

However even Maine with a small population and many years experience in dealing with sever winter weather does not try to "go it alone" rather it is interconnected with the power grids in the rest of New England, Quebec, and Atlantic Canada which give them a cushion against such situation. This interconnection also gives the rest of New England, Quebec and Atlantic Canada the same cushion as well.
How much motive do they lose by making dependency their redundancy before making in-state redundancy a reality (if they haven't done so yet, which I assume they haven't to a great-enough degree)?
For me, it's part of the core of American values. We aren't "The" United States, we're "These" United States (or used to be). In other words, each state should be independent and able to exist on its own without help from other states. Trade is fine, but with core needs, states should be self sufficient.

The priority list should go like this:
1. Able to produce own needs.
2. Mitigate through redundancy.
3. Connection with neighbors.

Putting 3 as number 2 may destroy their motive for ever developing number 2 at all, as they'll feel they won't be able to justify it to the people they serve.

I agree, however, that it makes sense as a temporary measure while redundancy is put in place.

I mean, if all states had the same values, that's one thing. But since we're a wicked nation with most people in most states preferring wickedness, it seems like a bad choice to me to make dependency on any other state (or the Federal) a high priority. I view that dependency as a hazard/liability if it isn't being proactively replaced with self-sufficiency and redundancy.
Most states, and particular the smaller state are self reliant, Texas thought it was as well until now which is why is never bothered to interconnect with anyone else. Other states like Oklahoma and Kansas have seen some blackout but nothing on the scale of what we are seeing in Texas and nothing lasting as long either. So the question needs to be asked what was different in Texas than in the nearby states which also had the same weather conditions? The only answer that I can see is that Texas didn't have an interconnect and the others did.

I think it rather silly to try and blame this on renewable energy given the fact that this is Texas we are talking about here. A state governed by conservative Republicans and while it had some renewable sources of electricity it also had other types as well. It's not as if it was copletely dependent upon renewables or anything like that. IT is also silly to suggest that Biden is somehow to blame for this, as if this would not have happened has Trump been President whe this store hit or something.

In the end this points out the failing of centralized power generation. Over time we will likely move away from centralized electrical generation be that from fossil fuels or even renewable and we will end up with in home generation likely a combination of solar generation on our roofs and some kind of natural gas generators to pick up production for our homes when the solar systems can not keep up. In this way each home or building will stand alone and there would, in the long run, not be a need for a grid at all. That day however is still far off.

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#1 - this is a once in a 20-30 year event for such a strong artic vortex to dive this far south and have such holding power.

#2 - the answers and problems are posted above gkearney, if you so choose to consider. I will post again for your viewing pleasure.

The truth about the Texas Electricity Crisis
https://industrialprogress.com/the-trut ... ty-crisis/

So You Want Green Energy Eh?
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241603

Why There Are Rolling Blackouts in Texas During 10 Degree Weather
https://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2 ... n.html?m=1

Bad policy kowtowing to politically correct science has left us with our pants down when we really needed it.

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ajax wrote: February 17th, 2021, 4:00 pm #1 - this is a once in a 20-30 year event for such a strong artic vortex to dive this far south and have such holding power.

#2 - the answers and problems are posted above gkearney, if you so choose to consider. I will post again for your viewing pleasure.

The truth about the Texas Electricity Crisis
https://industrialprogress.com/the-trut ... ty-crisis/

So You Want Green Energy Eh?
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=241603

Why There Are Rolling Blackouts in Texas During 10 Degree Weather
https://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2 ... n.html?m=1

Bad policy kowtowing to politically correct science has left us with our pants down when we really needed it.
But none of that addresses the issue that Texas was left isolated from the rest of the national power grids right at the moment they needed them most. They made their bed in texas and now they have to sleep in it as cold as it is.

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Could it be that the Texas grid opperators are to blame for this mess and not a few frozen wind turbines?

The Texas power grid failed mostly due to natural gas. Republicans are blaming wind turbines.

The Real Reason for Texas' Rolling Blackouts

But of course this would require that people take responsibility for failure to plan. IT is so much easier to just point the finger at a few wind turbines.

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They actually address THE fundamental issue which has led to "we need to solve the interconnectedness issue" solution. Well sure, but if the fundamental issue is fixed, the interconnectedness is virtually irrelevant. Lots of crappy "unreliables" demand widespread interconnectedness. We should be pursuing the opposite. Hopefully this will wake up some in TX to the unreasonableness and unsustainability of the so-called green movement. But I suspect there is too much money to be made in crony subsidies and kick backs which Republicans are so eager to dabble in. The windmill farms in West Texas are ugly as hell, but someone is making a killing off it, while portraying themselves as being "concerned for the environment", as the people freeze in the desert.

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