Michael's Dominion

[Alaris]

So I had a thought about the recent temple endowment changes, but to synthesize this thought I need to find out whether there are any scriptures or quotes from prophets about this being Michael / Adam's only world. This is not - I repeat NOT - an Adam-God "doctrine" idea where Jesus is < Adam or Adam = Elohim. Nope.

Here's a little more information to help inform on my thinking. Brigham Young said Adam walked into the Garden of Eden with one of his wives, Eve.

"When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. "

I really don't want to get into Adam-God, so please divorce that fundamentalist stuff from this thread. OK, *deep breath* - now. Let's pretend for a moment that the above statement is true. Eve is one of Adams wives. Where are the rest of his wives? Now consider this quote:

Many of the sisters grieve because they are not blessed with offspring. You will see the time when you will have millions of children around you. If you are faithful to your covenants, you will become mothers of nations. You will become Eves to earths like this; and when you have assisted in peopling one earth there are millions of earths still in the course of creation. (Journal of Discourses, 8:208; October 14, 1860)

"You will become Eves to earths like this" supports Joseph Smith's King Follet teaching that there is one path to Godhood - just one - the same path that all the Gods who have come before have taken. You will become Eves to earths like this is...that's right ..MMP. Sorry, but MMP is true whether you personally like it or not.

So, back to the original question: Might Adam preside over more than one world? Not necessarily simultaneously, but if women become Eves (think of the temple endowment for crying out loud - we all dress up and act as though we are Adam and Eve) what about Adam's other wives?

I don't want to go down this rabbit hole too deeply - if there is a statement that this is Adam's only world ... but what if each of Adam's wives each has a world of her own. Obviously Adam presides, but wouldn't the recent temple changes make so much more sense with the changing times and seasons? We don't have an account of Eve's curse being removed in the scriptures - Adam's only. Her curse is removed and she is redeemed through her offspring and producing the one who crushes the head of the serpent.

[Sarah]

So I had a thought about the recent temple endowment changes, but to synthesize this thought I need to find out whether there are any scriptures or quotes from prophets about this being Michael / Adam's only world. This is not - I repeat NOT - an Adam-God "doctrine" idea where Jesus is < Adam or Adam = Elohim. Nope.

Here's a little more information to help inform on my thinking. Brigham Young said Adam walked into the Garden of Eden with one of his wives, Eve.

"When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. "

I really don't want to get into Adam-God, so please divorce that fundamentalist stuff from this thread. OK, *deep breath* - now. Let's pretend for a moment that the above statement is true. Eve is one of Adams wives. Where are the rest of his wives? Now consider this quote:

Many of the sisters grieve because they are not blessed with offspring. You will see the time when you will have millions of children around you. If you are faithful to your covenants, you will become mothers of nations. You will become Eves to earths like this; and when you have assisted in peopling one earth there are millions of earths still in the course of creation. (Journal of Discourses, 8:208; October 14, 1860)

"You will become Eves to earths like this" supports Joseph Smith's King Follet teaching that there is one path to Godhood - just one - the same path that all the Gods who have come before have taken. You will become Eves to earths like this is...that's right ..MMP. Sorry, but MMP is true whether you personally like it or not.

So, back to the original question: Might Adam preside over more than one world? Not necessarily simultaneously, but if women become Eves (think of the temple endowment for crying out loud - we all dress up and act as though we are Adam and Eve) what about Adam's other wives?

I don't want to go down this rabbit hole too deeply - if there is a statement that this is Adam's only world ... but what if each of Adam's wives each has a world of her own. Obviously Adam presides, but wouldn't the recent temple changes make so much more sense with the changing times and seasons? We don't have an account of Eve's curse being removed in the scriptures - Adam's only. Her curse is removed and she is redeemed through her offspring and producing the one who crushes the head of the serpent.

The thought of coming back to an earth in the role of Eve is so overwhelming to think about. At least the veil would make it so you wouldn't know anything different. If there is anything I'm hoping Brigham got wrong, its that thought.

My guess is that Adam's other wives would be with other Adams who are his peers. That's at least how I think of that rabbit hole.

[Robin Hood]

So I had a thought about the recent temple endowment changes, but to synthesize this thought I need to find out whether there are any scriptures or quotes from prophets about this being Michael / Adam's only world. This is not - I repeat NOT - an Adam-God "doctrine" idea where Jesus is < Adam or Adam = Elohim. Nope.

Here's a little more information to help inform on my thinking. Brigham Young said Adam walked into the Garden of Eden with one of his wives, Eve.

"When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. "

I really don't want to get into Adam-God, so please divorce that fundamentalist stuff from this thread. OK, *deep breath* - now. Let's pretend for a moment that the above statement is true. Eve is one of Adams wives. Where are the rest of his wives? Now consider this quote:

Many of the sisters grieve because they are not blessed with offspring. You will see the time when you will have millions of children around you. If you are faithful to your covenants, you will become mothers of nations. You will become Eves to earths like this; and when you have assisted in peopling one earth there are millions of earths still in the course of creation. (Journal of Discourses, 8:208; October 14, 1860)

"You will become Eves to earths like this" supports Joseph Smith's King Follet teaching that there is one path to Godhood - just one - the same path that all the Gods who have come before have taken. You will become Eves to earths like this is...that's right ..MMP. Sorry, but MMP is true whether you personally like it or not.

So, back to the original question: Might Adam preside over more than one world? Not necessarily simultaneously, but if women become Eves (think of the temple endowment for crying out loud - we all dress up and act as though we are Adam and Eve) what about Adam's other wives?

I don't want to go down this rabbit hole too deeply - if there is a statement that this is Adam's only world ... but what if each of Adam's wives each has a world of her own. Obviously Adam presides, but wouldn't the recent temple changes make so much more sense with the changing times and seasons? We don't have an account of Eve's curse being removed in the scriptures - Adam's only. Her curse is removed and she is redeemed through her offspring and producing the one who crushes the head of the serpent.

The thought of MMP's fills me with horror.

[Juliet]

Some people really underestimate the woman's sex drive.

Sorry Brigham Young. It ain't happening. Your other wives are not hanging on the outer edge of an atom and doing nothing when another ion passes by...

Everything else Alaris said is spot on. I wouldn't think of it as being a god or having to populate a planet. It's being a parent. If you like having children now, taking them to the zoo, having yummy meals to share and going out for treats, singing to them, reading to them, teaching them, if you enjoy that now then how much better will it be in heaven!

[Alaris]

So I had a thought about the recent temple endowment changes, but to synthesize this thought I need to find out whether there are any scriptures or quotes from prophets about this being Michael / Adam's only world. This is not - I repeat NOT - an Adam-God "doctrine" idea where Jesus is < Adam or Adam = Elohim. Nope.

Here's a little more information to help inform on my thinking. Brigham Young said Adam walked into the Garden of Eden with one of his wives, Eve.

"When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. "

I really don't want to get into Adam-God, so please divorce that fundamentalist stuff from this thread. OK, *deep breath* - now. Let's pretend for a moment that the above statement is true. Eve is one of Adams wives. Where are the rest of his wives? Now consider this quote:

Many of the sisters grieve because they are not blessed with offspring. You will see the time when you will have millions of children around you. If you are faithful to your covenants, you will become mothers of nations. You will become Eves to earths like this; and when you have assisted in peopling one earth there are millions of earths still in the course of creation. (Journal of Discourses, 8:208; October 14, 1860)

"You will become Eves to earths like this" supports Joseph Smith's King Follet teaching that there is one path to Godhood - just one - the same path that all the Gods who have come before have taken. You will become Eves to earths like this is...that's right ..MMP. Sorry, but MMP is true whether you personally like it or not.

So, back to the original question: Might Adam preside over more than one world? Not necessarily simultaneously, but if women become Eves (think of the temple endowment for crying out loud - we all dress up and act as though we are Adam and Eve) what about Adam's other wives?

I don't want to go down this rabbit hole too deeply - if there is a statement that this is Adam's only world ... but what if each of Adam's wives each has a world of her own. Obviously Adam presides, but wouldn't the recent temple changes make so much more sense with the changing times and seasons? We don't have an account of Eve's curse being removed in the scriptures - Adam's only. Her curse is removed and she is redeemed through her offspring and producing the one who crushes the head of the serpent.

The thought of MMP's fills me with horror.

With you living the high life, I'm not sure why you'd be afraid of MMP.

[Lexew1899]

To me, Adam was already an exalted being, who is "one generation" ahead of us in terms of the patriarchal order of Gods. Joseph Smith told us that Jesus Christ did nothing, except that which he saw his Father do. Christ tells us this also in the Bible. That to me indicates Heavenly Father is the Creator and Savior, for Adams generation of exhaulted beings. Adam is a joint heir of Heavenly Father's glory, just as we would hope to become joint heirs of Christ's glory.

We aren't going to ever be divorced from the need to have the input, or direction of the Savior, when the time comes for us to people our own worlds with our spiritual progeny. A meeting of the Gods would likely take place, a Savior for those beings would be selected, a Creator, and two Celestialized beings picked to kickstarter the peopling process, of beings both in the appearance (physical form), and likeness (mental form), of their Creator. Perhaps some rudimentary form of homo sapiens would already be present on that world, but would be void of the mental faculties, as we saw in the 5,000 year leap that occurred in human civilization since the time of the Fall.

Adam perhaps does have more than one wife, and this process likely occurs in other words, under the direction of his Creator, and Savior. That seems to make the most sense to me. If Adam were to become mortal, with the seeds of death entering him, he would be worthy of resurrection also it seems, from a Celestialized being from this group of Gods, that is one generation ahead of us, in terms of their eternal progression. I could be completely wrong of course.

[Alaris]

I have seriously considered whether the post this or not, but I believe this may help folks who may be struggling to accept the endowment changes, so here goes!

First, the prior "new" endowment videos really bothered me - the ones where Eve would turn around and ask the sky "Is there no other way" with lots and lots of blinking (you know the one.) It really did seem PC to me and bothered me to no end .... well until they stopped showing it that is!

HOWever ... what if - just what if that is the way it's supposed to be? Crazy, right? An endowment change under the direction of the Priesthood that is actually inspired / revealed from the Lord Himself....OK doesn't sound so crazy when I type it out like that.

What if Eve really is the central character in the Garden - and the decision to fall was hers to make by design. This wasn't a whoopsie, but a careful, deliberate decision to become the mother of all living on this one world?

Now hear me out here, as I'm going to lay out my thinking as to how this all plugs into "Michael's dominion" - Please keep in mind I'm still working through this, but this seed is certainly growing in my soul and bearing fruit.

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Assumptions:

1. Eve is one of Adam's wives and all women will become Eves eventually, including each of Adam's wives. (See Brigham Young statements at the beginning)
2. There is one path to godhood - you can read my thoughts on this fact here and here.
3. Because there is one path, you must be a holy ghost before being a Son and must be a Son before joining the Elohim.

OK, so, again, assuming each of Adams wives are Eves or will be Eves at some point (whether these worlds are simultaneous or sequential doesn't matter for this discussions but we're assuming Adam has worlds equal to the number of wives. For the sake of simplicity, let's say Adam has four wives.

Adam
Eve1 Eve2 Eve3 Eve4
Earth1 Earth2 Earth3 Earth4

I hate to number eves - but why shall we call her Eve1? Because she is the mother of all the living of Earth1. Let's add another assumption here:

4. There is one Davidic Servant, or "new prince," per world.

Adam
Eve1 Eve2 Eve3 Eve4
Earth1 Earth2 Earth3 Earth4
DS1 DS2 DS3 DS4

This is difficult to "whiteboard" in a forum post, but the numbers all match up - Adam has four wives and four worlds. Each world has one Eve and produces exactly one new prince. Read the latter part of Ezekiel 37. Here's another good one whether James is the DS or a type:

(12) The disciples said to Jesus, "We know that you will depart from us. Who is to be our leader?"
Jesus said to them, "Wherever you are, you are to go to James the righteous, for whose sake heaven and earth came into being." ~ gospel of thomas

Now, let's "level up" Adam to the level of Jehovah where these new Davidic Servants become Adams. I believe there are more steps in between (7 to be precise,) but for the sake of simplicity let's see how quickly these deities multiply which just may help shed some light on how God's creations expand so rapidly and produce all those galaxies out there that we've only seen a tiny glimpse of. So below we have a new creation. Our Adam is now a Jehovah, and the Eves are all now Mary Magdalene.

Jehovah (formerly Adam)
Mary Magdalene1 (Formerly Eve1) MM2 (formerly Eve2, etc.) MM3 MM4
Adam1 (formerly DS1) Adam2 (etc.) Adam3 Adam4

So there is one Mary Magdalene per Adam. Naturally Jesus' wife would be of a higher level / order than Eve. Now - each of those Adams have four Eves (for the sake of simplicity,) so below each of them would be that same pattern above:

Adam1
Eve1 Eve2 Eve3 Eve4
Earth1 Earth2 Earth3 Earth4
DS1 DS2 DS3 DS4

Adam2
Eve1 Eve2 Eve3 Eve4
Earth1 Earth2 Earth3 Earth4
DS1 DS2 DS3 DS4

Adam3
Eve1 Eve2 Eve3 Eve4
Earth1 Earth2 Earth3 Earth4
DS1 DS2 DS3 DS4

Adam4
Eve1 Eve2 Eve3 Eve4
Earth1 Earth2 Earth3 Earth4
DS1 DS2 DS3 DS4

Now let's "level up" our Adam who became Jehovah to now become Elohim

Elohim
HM1 HM2 HM3 HM4 (Heavenly Mother)
Jehovah1 Jehovah2 Jehovah3 Jehovah4

Then each of the Jehovah above have the dominion outlined below:

Jehovah
MM1 MM2 MM3 MM4
Adam1 Adam2 Adam3 Adam4

... and each Adam has the same dominion and on and on forever worlds without end. Scientists have recently said there's evidence that 60 percent of the stars in our galaxy have a planet at that perfect "life" distance from the star. Now think on how many galaxies are out there!

Circling back to the main point: Eve's job is to produce a new prince of Israel - one who, as Avraham Gileadi beautifully puts it, transitions from being a conditional servant to becoming an unconditional inheritor, or, as I put it, transitions from being a man to becoming a God. This is the man who, together with Jesus Christ, crushes the head of the serpent and overcomes conditional servitude forever. Everything that's happening now, the amazing heavenly signs,including the sign on 9/23/17 and the recent endowment changes, the church changes are all about Eve's triumph and preparing the world for the next time and season. Sure this is Adam's world, but this is really Eve's world. She is the mother of all living. She partook first because this is her dominion, which is a sub-dominion of Adam's.

Perhaps sisters were veiled to reflect ... well I don't want to overdo it one post. This is a lot to take in!

4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256 ... etc.

Edit:
I must point out that in this journey there is always a heavenly mother counterpart to the Savior. Eve's son / counterpart is the Davidic Servant - he fulfills Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, and reconciles Israel by the blood of Jesus Christ. Mary Magdalene's counterpart / son is Adam. Heavenly Mother's counterpart / son is Jesus Christ. This may also be symbolized in the fact that Jesus Christ represents Mercy - the feminine to Elohim's justice - the masculine. Moses 6 is a great read here where motherhood - souls being born by blood, water, and spirit symbolizes the Atonement where souls are born into heaven by blood, water, and spirit. A woman's suffering to bring a baby into this world is Christ's suffering to bring a soul into heaven.

Edit edit: I just can't stop posting! Heavenly mother births the spirits that Jehovah redeems - it's a 1:1 match in dominion. There is just the one BY statement I can't reconcile where he says Adam and Eve birthed our spirits. Literally no other BY quote bothers me in the slightest and is easily reconcilable to the above model. I wonder if the above principle was taught at some point where Adam eventually becomes Elohim and the two were somehow equated incorrectly.

[Alaris]

I try to limit myself to two edits in a post ^

This (above post) may also explain who the woman is in the Revelation 12 sign who is clothed with the sun, with the moon at her feet, and a crown of 12 stars. Eve. The twelves stars represent the tribes of Israel or the chosen people of Earth by whom the rest of the tribes of Earth are blessed. Eve's triumph is producing the man child who will rule all nations with a rod of Iron. Of course the church and the kingdom of God are the defined layer of symbolism. Equating the Davidic Servant to the Kingdom of God is easy:

Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Equating both Eve and the church to the woman ... that's a bit more tricky. That adversarial relationship between the serpent and Eve's posterity is certainly intact in the sign:

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days..

Here is the JST of the above + verse 3:

JST Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, in the likeness of things on the earth; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
2 And the woman being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.
4 And there appeared another sign in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman which was delivered, ready to devour her child after it was born.
5 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore years.

The adversary cannot thwart Jesus Christ at this point - but he can thwart the ascension of a new inheritor who is himself an imperfect being although he embodies righteousness. This world is not to elevate Jesus or give glory to Him. Jesus has condescended to redeem mankind to elevate a new unconditional inheritor - a new prince of Israel. The dominion of this one world is so far beneath Jesus Christ - he didn't oversee Adam and Eve's world to make Himself a throne of glory but to give glory to Eve to live up to the measure of her creation by redeeming her offspring - by providing a new heir.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Now all these numbers could be coincidences, but how many wives does Jacob have but four? If Adam has four wives, how many archangels would he preside over but 24 (6 archangels per world X 4 worlds = 24)

D&C 77:5 Q. What are we to understand by the four and twenty elders, spoken of by John?
A. We are to understand that these elders whom John saw, were elders who had been faithful in the work of the ministry and were dead; who belonged to the seven churches, and were then in the paradise of God.

Hrm ... (I miss the chin scratching emoji) Could it be this simple? They belong to the seven churches. Michael presides over one himself - the archangels themselves - across four worlds?

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

If verse 10 is accurate, then these 24 "elders" are not just priests (apostles) but also kings (dispensation heads / patriarchs.) This is the order to which the Davidic Servant ascends (6th promise of overcoming in revelation is awarded.) It stands to reason these 24 are the ones signing praises and assessing the works of Revelation which center around the crowning achievement of this angel that John worships twice.

[abijah]

Jesus Christ at this point - but he can thwart the ascension of a new inheritor who is himself an imperfect being although he embodies righteousness. This world is not to elevate Jesus or give glory to Him. Jesus has condescended to redeem mankind to elevate a new unconditional inheritor - a new prince of Israel. The dominion of this one world is so far beneath Jesus Christ - he didn't oversee Adam and Eve's world to make Himself a throne of glory but to give glory to Eve to live up to the measure of her creation by redeeming her offspring - by providing a new heir.

Truth.

John 18

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

Jesus never fought Satan and never will. That’s beneath Him, a quarrel for a different generation. Makes one rethink the phrase “condescension of God”, in regards to His Atonement.

If the Kingdom of Jesus is not of this world, then whose is it? Jesus and His servants never raised the sword, like He said. So who will?

Matthew 6

Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

“Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven” - if there was ever a prayer the Devil wished to stop...

What happened to him in heaven is embarrasing. And again on Earth, where he himself reigns? Double embarrasment.

[Alaris]

John 18:36

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

WOW!!!! What an amazing scripture when you consider what he's really saying here. Just wow! :O

: * )

.. I don't ever remember this part of the conversation with Pilate. Jesus giving Himself as "King of the Jews" to ransom His inheritor ... *tear!* :***)

If could thank you twice or thrice for that post ...

[Alaris]

Abraham 3:22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;

23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.

24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God (Michael), and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;

25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God (Jehovah) shall command them;

26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.

27 And the Lord (Jehovah) said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man (The Davidic Servant - the Angel of the Lord - the one whose inheritance shall be a throne forever over Israel): Here am I, send me. And another answered (Satan) and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord (Jehovah) said: I will send the first.

28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.

My kingdom is not of this world. I will send the first and empower him through my sacrifice to deliver to him from the adversary and glorify him with the throne and the kingdom of Israel.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded (Michael); and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord (Jehovah), and of his Christ (Jehovah's anointed one); and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Although David was a king, he never did obtain the spirit and power of Elijah and the fullness of the Priesthood; and the Priesthood that he received, and the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage. ~ Joseph Smith, March 10, 1844

The stem of Jesse to the Rod and Root of Jesse. This is all intimately related.

[Davka]

I try to limit myself to two edits in a post ^

This (above post) may also explain who the woman is in the Revelation 12 sign who is clothed with the sun, with the moon at her feet, and a crown of 12 stars. Eve. The twelves stars represent the tribes of Israel or the chosen people of Earth by whom the rest of the tribes of Earth are blessed. Eve's triumph is producing the man child who will rule all nations with a rod of Iron. Of course the church and the kingdom of God are the defined layer of symbolism. Equating the Davidic Servant to the Kingdom of God is easy:

Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Equating both Eve and the church to the woman ... that's a bit more tricky. That adversarial relationship between the serpent and Eve's posterity is certainly intact in the sign:

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days..

Here is the JST of the above + verse 3:

JST Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, in the likeness of things on the earth; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
2 And the woman being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.
4 And there appeared another sign in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman which was delivered, ready to devour her child after it was born.
5 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore years.

The adversary cannot thwart Jesus Christ at this point - but he can thwart the ascension of a new inheritor who is himself an imperfect being although he embodies righteousness. This world is not to elevate Jesus or give glory to Him. Jesus has condescended to redeem mankind to elevate a new unconditional inheritor - a new prince of Israel. The dominion of this one world is so far beneath Jesus Christ - he didn't oversee Adam and Eve's world to make Himself a throne of glory but to give glory to Eve to live up to the measure of her creation by redeeming her offspring - by providing a new heir.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Now all these numbers could be coincidences, but how many wives does Jacob have but four? If Adam has four wives, how many archangels would he preside over but 24 (6 archangels per world X 4 worlds = 24)

D&C 77:5 Q. What are we to understand by the four and twenty elders, spoken of by John?
A. We are to understand that these elders whom John saw, were elders who had been faithful in the work of the ministry and were dead; who belonged to the seven churches, and were then in the paradise of God.

Hrm ... (I miss the chin scratching emoji) Could it be this simple? They belong to the seven churches. Michael presides over one himself - the archangels themselves - across four worlds?

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

If verse 10 is accurate, then these 24 "elders" are not just priests (apostles) but also kings (dispensation heads / patriarchs.) This is the order to which the Davidic Servant ascends (6th promise of overcoming in revelation is awarded.) It stands to reason these 24 are the ones signing praises and assessing the works of Revelation which center around the crowning achievement of this angel that John worships twice.

Another interesting thought....we have 24 ribs.

https://www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/ribs

[Rand]

So I had a thought about the recent temple endowment changes, but to synthesize this thought I need to find out whether there are any scriptures or quotes from prophets about this being Michael / Adam's only world. This is not - I repeat NOT - an Adam-God "doctrine" idea where Jesus is < Adam or Adam = Elohim. Nope.

Here's a little more information to help inform on my thinking. Brigham Young said Adam walked into the Garden of Eden with one of his wives, Eve.

"When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. "

I really don't want to get into Adam-God, so please divorce that fundamentalist stuff from this thread. OK, *deep breath* - now. Let's pretend for a moment that the above statement is true. Eve is one of Adams wives. Where are the rest of his wives? Now consider this quote:

Many of the sisters grieve because they are not blessed with offspring. You will see the time when you will have millions of children around you. If you are faithful to your covenants, you will become mothers of nations. You will become Eves to earths like this; and when you have assisted in peopling one earth there are millions of earths still in the course of creation. (Journal of Discourses, 8:208; October 14, 1860)

"You will become Eves to earths like this" supports Joseph Smith's King Follet teaching that there is one path to Godhood - just one - the same path that all the Gods who have come before have taken. You will become Eves to earths like this is...that's right ..MMP. Sorry, but MMP is true whether you personally like it or not.

So, back to the original question: Might Adam preside over more than one world? Not necessarily simultaneously, but if women become Eves (think of the temple endowment for crying out loud - we all dress up and act as though we are Adam and Eve) what about Adam's other wives?

I don't want to go down this rabbit hole too deeply - if there is a statement that this is Adam's only world ... but what if each of Adam's wives each has a world of her own. Obviously Adam presides, but wouldn't the recent temple changes make so much more sense with the changing times and seasons? We don't have an account of Eve's curse being removed in the scriptures - Adam's only. Her curse is removed and she is redeemed through her offspring and producing the one who crushes the head of the serpent.

Adam may have been celestial, but are you sure he was resurrected?
I think your thinking is off in a few points. But the Temple nature of this topic precludes any further discussion on it.

[Alaris]

So I had a thought about the recent temple endowment changes, but to synthesize this thought I need to find out whether there are any scriptures or quotes from prophets about this being Michael / Adam's only world. This is not - I repeat NOT - an Adam-God "doctrine" idea where Jesus is < Adam or Adam = Elohim. Nope.

Here's a little more information to help inform on my thinking. Brigham Young said Adam walked into the Garden of Eden with one of his wives, Eve.

"When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. "

I really don't want to get into Adam-God, so please divorce that fundamentalist stuff from this thread. OK, *deep breath* - now. Let's pretend for a moment that the above statement is true. Eve is one of Adams wives. Where are the rest of his wives? Now consider this quote:

Many of the sisters grieve because they are not blessed with offspring. You will see the time when you will have millions of children around you. If you are faithful to your covenants, you will become mothers of nations. You will become Eves to earths like this; and when you have assisted in peopling one earth there are millions of earths still in the course of creation. (Journal of Discourses, 8:208; October 14, 1860)

"You will become Eves to earths like this" supports Joseph Smith's King Follet teaching that there is one path to Godhood - just one - the same path that all the Gods who have come before have taken. You will become Eves to earths like this is...that's right ..MMP. Sorry, but MMP is true whether you personally like it or not.

So, back to the original question: Might Adam preside over more than one world? Not necessarily simultaneously, but if women become Eves (think of the temple endowment for crying out loud - we all dress up and act as though we are Adam and Eve) what about Adam's other wives?

I don't want to go down this rabbit hole too deeply - if there is a statement that this is Adam's only world ... but what if each of Adam's wives each has a world of her own. Obviously Adam presides, but wouldn't the recent temple changes make so much more sense with the changing times and seasons? We don't have an account of Eve's curse being removed in the scriptures - Adam's only. Her curse is removed and she is redeemed through her offspring and producing the one who crushes the head of the serpent.

Adam may have been celestial, but are you sure he was resurrected?
I think your thinking is off in a few points. But the Temple nature of this topic precludes any further discussion on it.

Yes I am sure. Please read the two articles linked in the assumptions section above. There is one path to godhood. Adam did not distinguish himself by being a noble premortal spirit but by traversing the one path to godhood. He is the ancient of days with hair whiter than snow and glory that he attained by the only way anyone can obtain glory...by descending to worlds just as this one (think of the first exchange between Lucifer and Adam) from grace to grace and exaltation to exaltation until he is able to dwell in everlasting burnings the same as all Gods who have come before. Until he is able by the glory he attains through the grace.

[Alaris]

I try to limit myself to two edits in a post ^

This (above post) may also explain who the woman is in the Revelation 12 sign who is clothed with the sun, with the moon at her feet, and a crown of 12 stars. Eve. The twelves stars represent the tribes of Israel or the chosen people of Earth by whom the rest of the tribes of Earth are blessed. Eve's triumph is producing the man child who will rule all nations with a rod of Iron. Of course the church and the kingdom of God are the defined layer of symbolism. Equating the Davidic Servant to the Kingdom of God is easy:

Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Equating both Eve and the church to the woman ... that's a bit more tricky. That adversarial relationship between the serpent and Eve's posterity is certainly intact in the sign:

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days..

Here is the JST of the above + verse 3:

JST Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, in the likeness of things on the earth; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
2 And the woman being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.
4 And there appeared another sign in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman which was delivered, ready to devour her child after it was born.
5 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore years.

The adversary cannot thwart Jesus Christ at this point - but he can thwart the ascension of a new inheritor who is himself an imperfect being although he embodies righteousness. This world is not to elevate Jesus or give glory to Him. Jesus has condescended to redeem mankind to elevate a new unconditional inheritor - a new prince of Israel. The dominion of this one world is so far beneath Jesus Christ - he didn't oversee Adam and Eve's world to make Himself a throne of glory but to give glory to Eve to live up to the measure of her creation by redeeming her offspring - by providing a new heir.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Now all these numbers could be coincidences, but how many wives does Jacob have but four? If Adam has four wives, how many archangels would he preside over but 24 (6 archangels per world X 4 worlds = 24)

D&C 77:5 Q. What are we to understand by the four and twenty elders, spoken of by John?
A. We are to understand that these elders whom John saw, were elders who had been faithful in the work of the ministry and were dead; who belonged to the seven churches, and were then in the paradise of God.

Hrm ... (I miss the chin scratching emoji) Could it be this simple? They belong to the seven churches. Michael presides over one himself - the archangels themselves - across four worlds?

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

If verse 10 is accurate, then these 24 "elders" are not just priests (apostles) but also kings (dispensation heads / patriarchs.) This is the order to which the Davidic Servant ascends (6th promise of overcoming in revelation is awarded.) It stands to reason these 24 are the ones signing praises and assessing the works of Revelation which center around the crowning achievement of this angel that John worships twice.

Another interesting thought....we have 24 ribs.

https://www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/ribs

Super cool, especially how they are grouped with the seven "true" ribs.

So I have been thinking on this idea of four worlds under Michael's dominion. Give this a read with the four worlds idea in mind:

D&C 77:2 Q. What are we to understand by the four beasts, spoken of in the same verse?A. They are figurative expressions, used by the Revelator, John, in describing heaven, the paradise of God, the happiness of man, and of beasts, and of creeping things, and of the fowls of the air; that which is spiritual being in the likeness of that which is temporal; and that which is temporal in the likeness of that which is spiritual; the spirit of man in the likeness of his person, as also the spirit of the beast, and every other creature which God has created

[Davka]

I try to limit myself to two edits in a post ^

This (above post) may also explain who the woman is in the Revelation 12 sign who is clothed with the sun, with the moon at her feet, and a crown of 12 stars. Eve. The twelves stars represent the tribes of Israel or the chosen people of Earth by whom the rest of the tribes of Earth are blessed. Eve's triumph is producing the man child who will rule all nations with a rod of Iron. Of course the church and the kingdom of God are the defined layer of symbolism. Equating the Davidic Servant to the Kingdom of God is easy:

Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Equating both Eve and the church to the woman ... that's a bit more tricky. That adversarial relationship between the serpent and Eve's posterity is certainly intact in the sign:

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days..

Here is the JST of the above + verse 3:

JST Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, in the likeness of things on the earth; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
2 And the woman being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.
4 And there appeared another sign in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman which was delivered, ready to devour her child after it was born.
5 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore years.

The adversary cannot thwart Jesus Christ at this point - but he can thwart the ascension of a new inheritor who is himself an imperfect being although he embodies righteousness. This world is not to elevate Jesus or give glory to Him. Jesus has condescended to redeem mankind to elevate a new unconditional inheritor - a new prince of Israel. The dominion of this one world is so far beneath Jesus Christ - he didn't oversee Adam and Eve's world to make Himself a throne of glory but to give glory to Eve to live up to the measure of her creation by redeeming her offspring - by providing a new heir.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Now all these numbers could be coincidences, but how many wives does Jacob have but four? If Adam has four wives, how many archangels would he preside over but 24 (6 archangels per world X 4 worlds = 24)

D&C 77:5 Q. What are we to understand by the four and twenty elders, spoken of by John?
A. We are to understand that these elders whom John saw, were elders who had been faithful in the work of the ministry and were dead; who belonged to the seven churches, and were then in the paradise of God.

Hrm ... (I miss the chin scratching emoji) Could it be this simple? They belong to the seven churches. Michael presides over one himself - the archangels themselves - across four worlds?

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

If verse 10 is accurate, then these 24 "elders" are not just priests (apostles) but also kings (dispensation heads / patriarchs.) This is the order to which the Davidic Servant ascends (6th promise of overcoming in revelation is awarded.) It stands to reason these 24 are the ones signing praises and assessing the works of Revelation which center around the crowning achievement of this angel that John worships twice.

Another interesting thought....we have 24 ribs.

https://www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/ribs

Super cool, especially how they are grouped with the seven "true" ribs.

So I have been thinking on this idea of four worlds under Michael's dominion. Give this a read with the four worlds idea in mind:

D&C 77:2 Q. What are we to understand by the four beasts, spoken of in the same verse?A. They are figurative expressions, used by the Revelator, John, in describing heaven, the paradise of God, the happiness of man, and of beasts, and of creeping things, and of the fowls of the air; that which is spiritual being in the likeness of that which is temporal; and that which is temporal in the likeness of that which is spiritual; the spirit of man in the likeness of his person, as also the spirit of the beast, and every other creature which God has created

Interesting. There seem to be other places four appear, like 4 chambers of the heart, or 4 limbs.

[Rand]

John 18:36

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

WOW!!!! What an amazing scripture when you consider what he's really saying here. Just wow! :O

: * )

.. I don't ever remember this part of the conversation with Pilate. Jesus giving Himself as "King of the Jews" to ransom His inheritor ... *tear!* :***)

If could thank you twice or thrice for that post ...

The word 'Kingdom' here is defined as: "not to be confused with an actual kingdom but rather the right or authority to rule over a kingdom"

and the word 'World' probably was used as: worldly affairs; the aggregate of things earthly; the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments, riches, advantages, pleasures, etc., which, although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ"

[Davka]

Something else occurred to me last night. Who ultimately created the Earth under the direction of Elohim and Jehovah? Michael did. Which makes perfect sense. He created a world -- a home -- for his wife, Eve, and her children. Kind of like a man builds a home for his family. Or when a rich guy buys a Caribbean island for his wife as a gift. "Happy birthday, honey! I made you your own WORLD!"

I think a lot of women struggle with the idea of polygamy because they imagine having to live like the fundamentalists for eternity, all the women sharing a home and a kitchen and a yard and having to take care of the other woman's kids and let other women help raise hers...which sounds the opposite of eternal bliss. Lol.

I can attest that as a woman, I am very territorial of my home. Last year my mom came to visit and while I was out, she rearranged the decor on my shelves. When I came home and noticed that things were out of place (even though they probably looked better the way she had them) I was beyond peeved. This is "my home," for crying out loud! In the same way, moms can get pretty irritated when another mom tries to correct or discipline her child. Or feed them the wrong food. Or doesn't do their hair right. Our home and our children are our dominion.

But if Eve was given her own world, her own beautiful home, built for her by a loving husband, where she would be happy and safe and could live and raise her kids her own way, that doesn't sound quite so bad. It kind of aligns with the traditional idea of a father providing a home for his family, and the mother staying home while dad goes to work (building new worlds, overseeing the work of his sons and grandsons and great grandsons -- a family business?) and comes home at night and on the weekends, but mom is the constant.

I think this is what women want, deep down. On the surface we might fight it -- I know I have -- because of what the modern world tells us we should want. But the longer I am a stay at home mom rather than a "career woman," the more I get into the groove and really enjoy "being taken care of" (Gasp!!) as far as having a home and my needs being met and just being able to focus on making my home a nice place for my family and teaching and loving on my kids. It is still hard work, but it's nice to be able to do my work in my element and on my terms. And, of course, having a little extra time to enjoy other interests that I have like playing the piano and reading and hanging out on LDSFF.

Women also crave the love and admiration of our children, maybe even more so than that of our husbands.

And much as women might love their husbands, I don't think most need him tied to their hip. Sometimes it kind of feels like "get out of my way and let me do my thing..." The dominion thing even extends to our husbands, you know all the jokes about a wife nagging a husband about not loading the dishwasher right?

And, deep down, what do (good) men want? Sex with their wife (increase), love and admiration from their woman, and for her to be happy. That's why so many men get walked all over by their wives. Because I do think good men are willing to go to great lengths to make their wife happy.

So I really do think this model fits well with human nature, and with my perspective as a woman.

Edit: What if the beautiful things in nature were made based on what Michael knew were Eve's preferences? Like "Eve, I know you love this particular shade of color called blue, so I put it into the sky and the water..." or "Remember those plants on a world a few worlds back that made you so happy, I made similar ones here and call them flowers. I hope you like them!" Kind of cute, no?