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by endlessismyname
November 25th, 2022, 3:00 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies
Replies: 23
Views: 1175

Re: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies

I would point out that there is a big difference in building a simple three story frame building like the lodge hall at Nauvoo and the Temple there. The first takes a couple of months to finish the temple would take years even under the best of conditions. The saint built out whole cities while wor...
by endlessismyname
November 25th, 2022, 9:22 am
Forum: News
Topic: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith
Replies: 53
Views: 1499

Re: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith

The fact that it’s golden is even worse. https://i.imgur.com/E1M1fan_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium It could have been worse, it could have been a calf. Loving the "Namaste" gestures. Golden Statue. Golden Plates. Namaste Gestures (literally means I bow to you). O...
by endlessismyname
November 25th, 2022, 9:16 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies
Replies: 23
Views: 1175

Re: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies

I would point out that there is a big difference in building a simple three story frame building like the lodge hall at Nauvoo and the Temple there. The first takes a couple of months to finish the temple would take years even under the best of conditions. The saint built out whole cities while wor...
by endlessismyname
November 25th, 2022, 9:14 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Working on the Railroad
Replies: 1111
Views: 36541

Re: Working on the Railroad

Hogmeister wrote: November 25th, 2022, 9:11 am I'm late to this party. I would like to hear more and see more dots connected.
Come one over here... we're going to try to untangle things a bit...

viewtopic.php?p=1324084#p1324084
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 8:58 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies
Replies: 23
Views: 1175

Re: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies

Seems there was a time where we didn’t want them, and they didn’t want us: “It's been nearly a quarter of a century since Freemasons in Utah rescinded a 60-year ban that prohibited Latter-day Saints from joining their fraternity. And while many remember the religious division that had characterized ...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 8:46 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies
Replies: 23
Views: 1175

Re: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies

From the church website:

“Some early Latter-day Saints were Masons. Heber C. Kimball, Hyrum Smith, and others belonged to Masonic lodges in the 1820s, and Joseph Smith joined the fraternity in March 1842 in Nauvoo, Illinois.”
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 8:45 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies
Replies: 23
Views: 1175

Re: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies

“In modern times, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) has clarified in its Now You Know series that its members may become Freemasons.”
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 8:39 pm
Forum: News
Topic: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith
Replies: 53
Views: 1499

Re: Fifteen feet tall statue of Joseph Smith

I really need Subcomandante to come and explain to us why this is actually a necessary thing for the church to do, because I’m drawing a blank.
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 8:35 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Let them Flee into the mountains
Replies: 44
Views: 987

Re: Let them Flee into the mountains

endlessismyname, In the case of Jeremiah he and the daughters of the King went to Egypt. and then according to Irish history went on to Ireland. the daughter Tea Tephi, sister to Mulec, became an Irish queen. an artifact they took with them the coronation stone or stone of scone. it is still used t...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 8:32 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies
Replies: 23
Views: 1175

Re: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies

In 1901, the following circular letter from President Lorenzo Snow and his First Counselor Joseph F. Smith to all Stake Presidencies concerning Church members' desires to join "secret orders": DEAR BRETHREN: The following question has recently been asked us by one of our Stake Presidencie...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 8:29 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: When Does One Opt Out?
Replies: 39
Views: 1461

Re: When Does One Opt Out?

As I said in another post, the pattern is clear:

God calls some to stay, and God calls some to opt out.

If you’re smart, you’ll do what He says.
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 8:23 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: Vigano shares urgent message to doctors
Replies: 10
Views: 574

Re: Vigano shares urgent message to doctors

Yep, they are either ignorant or evil, deceived or deceivers. A bad situation either way. The blind leading the blind. Contemplating Isaiah's painting of what latter-day leaders are doing ... it seems like they're more the blind leading the blind than outright evil. However, they're pretending to r...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 8:17 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: What I’m Thankful For
Replies: 3
Views: 193

What I’m Thankful For

Before I go to bed I’d like to share with y’all what I’m thankful for. I’m thankful to have been taught by goodly parents who did their best to teach me how to be a disciple of Jesus Christ. I’m grateful for a patient and wise Father and Heaven who has kept me, protected me, and taught me. I’m grate...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 8:03 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies
Replies: 23
Views: 1175

First Presidency Issues Statement on Secret Societies

In 1901, the following circular letter from President Lorenzo Snow and his First Counselor Joseph F. Smith to all Stake Presidencies concerning Church members' desires to join "secret orders": DEAR BRETHREN: The following question has recently been asked us by one of our Stake Presidencies...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 7:55 pm
Forum: Gospel Discussions
Topic: Let them Flee into the mountains
Replies: 44
Views: 987

Re: Let them Flee into the mountains

I’m afraid you’ve only identified half the pattern.

Some, like Lehi, he calls out.

Others, like Jeremiah, he calls to stay.

My advice?

If He commands you to flee, flee.

If He commands you to stay, stay.
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 12:39 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 49
Views: 1550

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

The concluding paragraph of Chapter 3 is good: I'm not going to edit it... you can go see the original for yourself. Blasted technology... "probably the single most significant factor to consider was the nature of the settlement at this time the union pacific was under a great deal of public cr...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 12:31 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 49
Views: 1550

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

Just a data point: by the end of february 1869 young had received approximately $1,3500,00 in cash or some type of exchange as well as equipment amounting to $230,000. No word on how much of it Brigham shared with Sharp. Or whether he paid his tithing on it. But I don't think that was part of the te...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 12:24 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 49
Views: 1550

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

(the representative for UP) "reported that they were ready to submit the decision to a final vote provided the terms thereof were agreeable to brigham young's attorney" "the proposal as outlined by mccomb provided that the union pacific wouldpay $100,000 on the additional claims - sca...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 12:19 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 49
Views: 1550

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

The author of the paper seems to think Brigham wasn't all that great at negotiating. Speaking of Brigham's proposal, he states it: "would have been financially ruinous and in violation of his earlier objectivesto avoid coppromising promising compromising cop his claims". Like I said, peopl...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 12:17 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 49
Views: 1550

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

pp 47-48 of the document introduce some important evidence. It's too long to copy and paste, since there seems to be some issue with text recognition that makes the pasted text weird, and I'm not willing to edit it. The gist of it is, Sharp reports back to Brigham that things aren't going well. Youn...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 12:10 pm
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 49
Views: 1550

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

From my perspective, it was always clear that there was plenty of there, there in the Railroad thread. But you're right, I wanted AGF to do the work and provide the information, even if it meant spoon-feeding in his own unique and oftentimes annoying, ebb-and-flow-approach. As BND has asserted, how...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 11:57 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 49
Views: 1550

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

Our story continues... John Sharp, who you'll remember gets introduced into the Railroad thread by Connecting the Dots, turns out to be a major player in the story. Here's a quote from the masters thesis .pdf. It's from a letter John Sharp wrote to Albert Carrington: "after so long a time permi...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 11:45 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: How to "Pluck Out the Prophets", the Lord's Way [Discussion]
Replies: 29
Views: 786

Re: How to "Pluck Out the Prophets", the Lord's Way [Discussion]

Well, if it's the Lord's Church, we don't need to take it back... ... but what recourse do we have if there needs to be some housecleaning? If the Lord was willing to reveal to us the nature of the problem (secret combinations), is it reasonable to assume that He also revealed to us the nature of t...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 11:40 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 49
Views: 1550

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

How I resurrected the railroad thread: ( https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=1323564#p1323564 ) A so-called troll had made a post about corruption in her family and in her hometown and the fight she engaged in to keep her kids out of a cult. Then she got booted from the forum by admins. Thi...
by endlessismyname
November 24th, 2022, 11:35 am
Forum: General Discussions
Topic: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF
Replies: 49
Views: 1550

Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

"young reminded them that according to his calculations the company owed him a sum amounting to three quarters of a million dollars which he badly needed" People do strange things when money is "badly needed" You can, after all, buy anything in this world with money. "Even c...